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Your submission at Articles for creation: Hanna Meretoja (May 2)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by RoySmith was:

This submission's references do not adequately show the subject's notability. Wikipedia requires significant coverage (not just mere mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject—see the guidelines on the notability of people, the golden rule and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue. Please improve the submission's referencing (see Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners and Help:Introduction to referencing/1), so that the information is verifiable, and there is clear evidence of why the subject is notable and worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia. If additional reliable sources cannot be found for the subject, then it may not be suitable for Wikipedia at this time.

The comment the reviewer left was:

Does not appear to meet WP:NACADEMIC. Reads like an advertisement and/or resume.

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-- RoySmith (talk) 11:32, 2 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Hanna Meretoja. Thanks! Theroadislong (talk) 15:18, 2 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Hanna Meretoja (May 4)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by DGG was:

This submission appears to read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia. Encyclopedia articles need to be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources, not just to materials produced by the creator of the subject being discussed. This is important so that the article can meet Wikipedia's verifiability policy and the notability of the subject can be established. If you still feel that this subject is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, please rewrite your submission to comply with these policies.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

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DGG ( talk ) 00:27, 4 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

More exactly than our template allows:

Kirjaimet, I rereviewed -- I'm one of the editors who work most with these topics.

She might just possibly be notable as a scholar under WP:PROF. (the chair seems to be an ordinary chair, not a distinguished chair, and her award is an award customarily given at an early stage of aa professor's career.) For people in the humanities, however, two books can be sufficient evidence of being an authority in her field, especially since one of them is by OUP. (We count edited books at a lower level, and we don't count papers and book chapters at all.) The problem however, is indeed, just as RoySmith said, that this is essentially as advertisement, such as a publisher might use. It contains extensive quotes from unpublished reviews written in the customary excessive tones of such blurbs, and lists a remarkable number of different specialties. It omits basic biographical information important to an encyclopedia but not to a publisher's advertisement; Birth date and place, year and university of degrees, name of graduate advisor, title of thesis, and exact dates of visiting positions.

I have rewritten the material that is present in a more appropriate manner, to give an indication of how it should look. What it needs is additional published reviews. and the bio info. I do not normally8 rewrite advertisements, but Idid this as an exception, because it is quite specifically in my area of interest.

But there is an even more important question: the nature of the writing, and the fact that this is your only contribution make it apparent that you have a WP:Conflict of Interest-- Please see our rules of this and our requirement to disclose it. I think it is also clear from your knowledge of our guidelines together with the unwillingness to apply them in the accepted manner, that you are probably a paid editor. Our WP:TOU require that this be disclosed on your user page, and, ideally declared at the article's talk page. Please make the necessary declarations, which if you are paid, must include by whom you are employed and who it is that paid you, and on whose behalf. If it is OUP, please make your office aware of our rules. I will be glad to discuss this with them in person, as I have with other publishers. You can email me confidentiallu from your user page , and I will get in touch with them. DGG ( talk ) 00:32, 4 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Dear DGG, Many thanks for your comments and help in editing the article! I have no conflict of interest and am definitely not a paid editor and am in no way related to OUP. I am a new Wikipedia contributor and thought that I would start with this article because it's on a topic on which I have worked recently. I have in mind several other contributions if I succeed in getting these things right. It seems as if I have mistood some of the guidelines, so I appreciate all your help and advice. I'll find more bio info and can add links to published reviews, though I'm not sure where to put those links now as you have suggested removing the names of the books from the main text. Do you still recommend adding links to published reviews or not? Thanks!

-- I've now done the suggested revisions and added bio info and published reviews. The new book has just been published so there are no published reviews on that yet, that's why I first used the reviews available on the publisher's website. Meretoja has published a major part of her works in Finnish, but I have only listed here her books in English (published by major international publishers). The Finnish Wikipedia page gives information on the Finnish works, but I think that info is relevant only for Finnish Wikipedia users. Meretoja merits a page in English too, as she has become a notable figure in narrative studies internationally. She was, for example, the keynote of the biggest conference in narrative studies, Narrative Matters 2016, organised in Victoria, Canada (http://conferences.uvic.ca/index.php/narrativematters/NM2016).

I read Wikipedia guidelines and noticed the following: "Be polite, and welcoming to new users" and "Assume good faith". I'm not sure if the accusations about submitting an "advertisement" meet these guidelines. I believe that Finnish academics who have made an internationally notable career are wildly underrepresented in Wikipedia. There are a lot Wikipedia articles on American academics that don't meet the criteria you have listed. In narrative studies, for example, the narrative theorist James Phelan is presented in an article that contains no links to other sources than those of his university and the publisher. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Phelan_(literary_scholar). I used such articles as a model and that's why I didn't first realise all the requirements you have, but I have now made the suggested revisions. Let me know if you need anything else!

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I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Hanna Meretoja. Thanks! Legacypac (talk) 08:43, 22 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Hanna Meretoja (May 22)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Legacypac was:

This submission's references do not adequately show the subject's notability. Wikipedia requires significant coverage (not just mere mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject—see the guidelines on the notability of people, the golden rule and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue. Please improve the submission's referencing (see Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners and Help:Introduction to referencing/1), so that the information is verifiable, and there is clear evidence of why the subject is notable and worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia. If additional reliable sources cannot be found for the subject, then it may not be suitable for Wikipedia at this time.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

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Legacypac (talk) 08:56, 22 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]