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Tomb of Pedubastis

I thought you might be interested in knowing that the tomb of the 26th Dynasty ruler Pedubast has just been discovered in Luxor, see here. I am not sure which ruler this is on wikipedia, perhaps Pedubast III (but he is listed as belonging to the 27th dynasty on the article?), if you can confirm this identification, it would be neat to add the discovery of the tomb to the article. Iry-Hor (talk) 08:36, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

@Iry-Hor: I've just read. Sadly, it looks that the ruler in question was a vizier of Upper Egypt rather than a pharaoh, thus another Pedubast besides the three (although there are several hints suggesting that the Pedubast kings were four in number) royal men bearing this name. Surely this discovery deserves a mention in Pabasa who was Pedubast's grandfather, and in TT391 which was the 25th Dynasty tomb partially usurped by Pedubast. With more informations in the next days a creation of a separate article about him could be considered. In a separate note, I don't get why the news calls him Badibastet and his grandfather Babasa: in the attached picture, the Q3 sign for p is quite clear. EDIT: From his titles I can't tell if he was even a vizier. I can see that he was an iry-pat, a governor/mayor possibly of Thebes, a priest of some kind (or possibly a steward of some God's Wife like his grandfather). Other sources calls him an Overseer of Upper Egypt rather than a vizier, but since I don't know how this title is written in hieroglyphs I can't confirm that. Khruner (talk) 10:28, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Thank you very much for these informations on this shadowy period (for me at least)! Iry-Hor (talk) 08:56, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

article Der Kuckuck und der Esel

Hi. I got a request: I'd like to see the translation of the song text right beside of the original, but when I tried, it looked horrible. Do you know a way to put both texts side-on-side without making huge gaps between the lines? Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 13:23, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

@Nephiliskos: Hello, honestly I don't know. But if you mean something like what I see in Madamina, il catalogo è questo or Stille Nacht, so it would be easy to change these lyrics with yours! Khruner (talk) 19:19, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

@Khruner: Could and would you do that? That would be awsome! I wanted what I see noe in "Stille Nacht". ;o) Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 22:11, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

@Nephiliskos:I think I did it, but I had to remove the |: :| signs, as these interferred with the template markup. Khruner (talk) 08:45, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

@Khruner: Wonderful!!! Perfect!!! Thank you so much! Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 09:04, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

article Aken the ferryman

I'm simply horrified. What the *peep* is this!? Nothing in this trash heap is true! Sorry, but it should be deleted at once. Kherty and Aker are two completely different deities! I have written a perfectly referenced article at my workshop 1. Please take a look there. Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 09:47, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Your workshop looks definitely better and well sourced, I think you can already copy your article in Kherty, and invert the redirects on order to have Aken the Ferryman -> Kherty. Khruner (talk) 11:59, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Forget what I wrote. I'll take care of it. Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 13:02, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Oh now I see, sorry. I've just found Aker (god) so probably all the god things in Aken the ferryman could be inserted here, and then simply redirect the latter in the former Khruner (talk) 13:05, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

NO! :D Wait! It's much more simple: the true name of that deity is Aqen. Just wait, I'm almost done. ;o) Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 13:09, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Ha! Done! :D Behold: Aqen. Could you please delete the embarrassing redirect "Aken the ferryman". Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 13:27, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

I always had bad luck in deleting redirects (for example the never attested and likely never existed "Merikare's daughter"), so I've orphanized it as much as I could! Khruner (talk) 14:08, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. I'll ask around if I can find someone who can delete the redirect. Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 15:56, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Btw: Sorry, but I had to undo your change in Kherty: he was replaced indeed by Aker, the double-lion. ;)) Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 16:03, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Oh ok, no problem, I got confused with the ferry issue... Khruner (talk) 21:46, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Don't make a head, ok? ;o) I was totally confused, too. :D I couldn't find any deity named "Aken", thus I first thought the article label was either misspelled or fake. Then I looked for "Aker" and Aker was the true deity who replaced Kherty. Then I coincidentally found "Aqen". ;) But, I'm hurrying to get the redirect deleted asap. Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 06:24, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

Aker (god)

I have cleaned and corrected the content of this article. I'd like to ask you for looking and if you would promote my idea to move the article (new lemma: "Aker (deity)"). Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 08:20, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

No problem, yes the new lemma is probably better! Khruner (talk) 10:16, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

Request

Hi. I got a problem: I tried to update certain datas in the infobox of Melsbach. But, mysteriously enough, when using the common "edit page" tool, I can't change and update the section "Population". It doesn't even show the reference text! What is happening??? Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 13:12, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Nephiliskos same here, very strange. I can see your edits in the editing page, but these doesn't appears on the article or in preview. I've never seen this issue before, it looks like something is blocking the section... Have you tried to perform a test on another municipality? Khruner (talk) 13:21, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

I indeed did, but no chance! And it occurs in all Windows versions... really odd. As far as I could investigate, as good as ALL town articles urgently need updates, but NONE of them can be corrected because of this strange phenomenon! Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 13:31, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Ok, it seems that Template:Infobox German location is somewhat subordinate to Template:Population Germany, but I can't get completely the meaning of most of the content...! Khruner (talk) 13:43, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

So Nephiliskos did you manage to understand something of that page? And an unrelated question: did you receive my email yesterday? Khruner (talk) 13:29, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

Hi. Oh, forgive me, I was so busy yesterday, I simply didn't check emails yet. But I had already read the page - and horribly failed to understand. :D Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 13:48, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

That's ok. Sad to hear that, it seems that even Template talk:Infobox German location provides very little information. Khruner (talk) 13:54, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

Sematawytefnakht

Well, the hieroglyph in question is a lotus staff/lotus scepter with an open lotus flower. It stands for fertility, growth and for the nile. It's reading is 3s (like the word "us"). Unfortunately, I couldn't find the correct gardiner code. -.-" Sematawy-tefnakht's name would be written like this:

, the first sign replaces the lotus scepter for now. Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 20:07, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

Nephiliskos many thanks for this elusive glyph! Khruner (talk) 20:28, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

Hey, it's my pleasure. I got a request for ya: I have drawn special hieroglyphs I'd like to upload on en.-wiki and using them in the infoboxes. The first sign shows the conjoined twin-lions of the god Aker, the second one is a modified version of the scorpion-glyph and the third one is a walking Seth-animal in two versions (a = sole; b = with a sun disc above). If you could upload them for me (I'm gonna send you the png.-files), I would draw the lotus-scepter for ya. I still have problems with uploads... -.-" Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 20:44, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

Sure, no problem! Just send, and I will upload them tomorrow morning at the latest. Khruner (talk) 20:55, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

Ummm...^^ I have to draw the sceptre yet. :D But thanks, Khruner. After finish, I'll send the files to you. Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 21:02, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

Naucratis

Are You sure You are in the right place in the section on Ancient Egyptian articles if You lack even the basics of Ancient Greek? However the source You requested: http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/resolveform?type=start&lookup=naukrat&lang=greek Punditah (talk) 22:46, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

Calm down your haughtiness, Punditah. And are you sure you are on the right place on en.wiki if you don't even know how and where to put sources? Put it in the article, not in my talk page. Khruner (talk) 08:30, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

?? The source is in the article. A whole lot of Your contributions to en.wikipedia consists of undos of other users. Thats suspicious. I started going through them, and the first I found was You undoing the crown of Cyrus. I have undone Your undo, putting the correct link into the correct place - the caption of the image. Likewise it is not clear, how You could undo the contribution of somebody who wrote that Tanis is in the land of Goshen. Is it not so? Your behaviour on en.wikipedia borders on vandalism, also given that pages of Your user talk consist of a conversation with one single guy. Punditah (talk) 12:19, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

Awesome, Punditah. Let me try to debunk these step by step.

1) "The source is in the article". Actually, no. You made a slightly significant change without putting a source, so I reverted it. So you reverted again and put a source not into the changed sentence but in my talk page instead. You did provided a source, but in the wrong place.

2) "A whole lot of Your contributions..." Yes, I sometimes check the recent changes in Ancient Egyptian-related articles hunting down vandalisms, unexplained deletions, unsourced/controversial adds and other crap. Sadly, this is a drawback of permitting to unregistered users to edit Wikipedia, but that's a personal opinion. However, one maybe can call what I do as patrolling, nothing suspicious about that.

3) about the Crown of Cyrus, the "Osiris-Orion son of Ra" thing which I reverted is a sort of evergreen which is periodically added into ancient Egypt-related articles by an Armenian IP-range, it is systematically reverted and possibly has something to do with the Orion correlation theory or other New-Age pseudoscience. As you can see, my undo was undone by the IP, only to be undone again by admin User:Doug Weller. You can ask to him, he'll surely remember the times when that IP-range systematically vandalized dozens of articles at hour. And you haven't put it again in the article, so basically saying that you undone my undo is not true.

4) the "Land of Goshen" undid by me in Tanis was an old, unsourced add which was wedged into a previous sentence, twisting its sense. Furthermore, saying in the lead that Tanis (a real city) was located in the Land of Goshen (a land mentioned in the Exodus) was pretty much as accept that the Exodus actually occurred whereas, according to most sholars, almost certainly is a founding myth which never happened.

5) "Your behaviour on en.wikipedia borders on vandalism" clearly not as stated above. I rather fight vandalism, but you are free to report me if you think otherwise.

6) "also given that pages of Your user talk..." clearly not true, as you can see I sure have some friends I talk more often, but not really only one. Beside that, even if it was only one, what's your point? But again beside that, just see your talk page: of three sections, in one I can see a response to a personal attack from you, one is an unconstructive editing warning, and one an unexplained deletion warning. So maybe you should consider of speaking for yourself. Khruner (talk) 14:18, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

Special hieroglyphs

Hi there! I just have sent you some special hieroglyphs, including the promised lotus-staff. ;o) Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 18:40, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Done! I didn't upload the scorpion because you (or someone for you) already uploaded it a year ago. Khruner (talk) 19:27, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Thank you! Btw: Can you explain as to why all of a sudden false cite error warnings spread through the references of Peribsen? Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 15:10, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Nephiliskos I think that someone gave the same ref name to different refs. Let me have a look. Khruner (talk) 15:33, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Some references were named multiple times after the first one (the only necessary) with the same name. I mean, this is the ref: <ref name=ABC>XX, "YY" pp. ZZ.</ref>. If later the same reference is needed, we only need to put <ref name=ABC/> to recall the first one. Putting again the same reference and same name <ref name=ABC>XX, "YY" pp. ZZ.</ref> will break something and causes an error in reference section. Now is fixed. And the article is somewhat lighter too. Khruner (talk) 15:52, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Thank you SO much, Khruner! Did you see? I have put the seth-animal drawing before the serekh in the article box.^^ Now it looks even more like the original!^^ In Aker I did the same! If you like, I'm gonna create a hierobox for your Sematawytefnakht... ;o) With the lotus-staff. Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 17:19, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Yes I noticed that before while checking your contributions, and in fact thanks to that I tried to do the same in Sematawytefnakht. Somehow I did it, even if the result is not just beautiful... The lotus flower is hanging down here but whatever! Ah, Nephiliskos, same question for you: are you able to "read" hieratic texts (i.e. convert it in hieroglyph)? Iry-Hor is unable, I am scant even in hieroglyphs... How about you? Khruner (talk) 18:05, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

As far as I know there are following forms of Egyptian writing:

• Callygraphy: used mostly on public documents and reliefs, single signs are depicted in most naturalistic ways.
• Cursive writing: used in public, private and curatorial documents, mostly on papyrus. The signs still keep their basic forms and shape, but lack their beauty details.
• Hieratic: A highly cursive form of hieroglyphs, it a kind of "beaurocratic quick-writing" used by scribes when in a hurry and/or writing longer texts. It was long time thought that hieratic was developed shortly after the inventing of hieroglyphs; today, however, it is revealed that hieratic was invented synchronically to the hieroglyphs. Just like the calligraphic hieroglyphs, the hieratic writing passed several "writing reforms" and there are at least two versions of Hieratic: Old Hieratic (or Hieratic A) and New Hieratic (Hieratic B).

To answer your question: no, I'm not able to read Hieratic. I'm sorry. I can read archaic signs and cursive signs, but Hieratic is too complicated. What I can try is to find a vast list of Hieratic signs depicted with the callicraphic counterpart and then try to convert your text. But, to be honest, we shouldn't do that. Reading Hieratic needs lots of professional study. I can read hieroglyphic texts only because I'm so intensly fascinated by them. My acknowledge of calligraphic and cursive hieroglyphs currently allows me to read Old Kingdom short texts, such as offering formula, prayers and titles on reliefs, stelae and seal impressions. Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 09:02, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

I see, in my example the text is probably New hieratic. No prob, just as I thought: while maybe everyone can learn hieroglyph, hieratic is restricted to professional Egyptologist and even then, I've read somewhere that there are few Egyptologists able to read it directly without converting it into hieroglyph before. Khruner (talk) 09:22, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

Absolutely correct. Indeed there are only few scholars who can read Hieratic. About Sematawytefnakht: I'll try to create a proper Hierobox for him and then show the result to you. Izzat ok? Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 10:35, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

Take a look. I created a hierobox. The only thing that bothers me is that the hieroglyphs are "smashed" to the left frame of the box when using inserted special signs. In German Wiki this doesn't happen. AND the hieroglyphs do not shrink if you put more than two flat sign atop of each other... Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 10:48, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

Just seen, I don't like this particular infobox very much, but I have no problem to admit that the hieroglyph text looks better on that than in the one I used before. Khruner (talk) 10:06, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

Maybe we can take care of let someone upgrade the box and give it a nicer colour? I don't like the colour, but as you already said, in this box the hieroglyphs are arranged much more tidy. Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 14:34, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

The colors are horrible :P maybe better two shades of light blue... Khruner (talk) 19:51, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, what about forget-me-not blue or ice blue for the headlines and pastelle blue for the rest? Now all we had to do was finding a magician who could and would upgrade the hierobox... Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 22:23, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

Crocodile (king)

I'm gonna write an article, shall others struggle over "Scorpion", njeh...^^ Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 07:42, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Many thanks! Khruner (talk) 09:06, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Well, behold! ;)) Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 17:26, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Just read, very nice and thanks again! (: Khruner (talk) 18:04, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Bikheris

Hi. I have edited the article and gave it a proper pharaoh box. ;o) Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 22:33, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi Nephiliskos, well done as usual, I only had to kill a dab :). Khruner (talk) 22:49, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, could you check the grammar a little? That would be awesome. Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 22:53, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

I will try, but mine is probably worse than yours! Ah, a separate note: an hour ago I found another problematic hieroglyphs (remember Sematawytefnakht's lotus?). This time is a very fast way to write "Amun" and consists in a water ripple sign enclosed in a rectangle with rounded corners. Do you know if this sign do exist in Gardiner's sign list? Because I failed to find it. Khruner (talk) 23:00, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

Hoo, boy!^^ Oh yes, I know this hieroglyph just too well: the earliest example appears on clay seal impressions of king Sekhemib! The hieroglyph reads Shen and means "eternity" or "eternal". If I remember right, I even have drawn this hieroglyph, if you whish so, I'll send it to you. ;o) Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 23:08, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

I tried something, but better to ask to Iry-Hor tomorrow... About the sign, I'm not sure about what I see on Sekhemib's article which looks quite different; in my case, it's like a water ripple inside a miniature cartouche-shaped rectangle... Khruner (talk) 23:30, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

Look here: [1] and search for the seal I.A.F. 754. I'm gonna send you the sign drawing... ;o) Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 23:33, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

Yes now I can confirm it! The rounded angles are evidently a license. I found it in a much later context. Khruner (talk) 23:39, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

The official gardiner code is N38a. ;o) Picture is on its way. Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 23:43, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

Arrived, thanks a lot! :) Khruner (talk) 23:46, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

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New article

I'm done: Giza writing board. Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 19:07, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

Did a few corrections :) and thanks for the creation. Khruner (talk) 19:36, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

migraine because of...

...one certain article: Shezmu. Lots of nonsense written, the book is "not encyclopedia friendly" and poor Shezmu's history of his function and reputation is totally messed up. I'd like to re-write it completely, with way more credible sources. Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 08:19, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Yes, it is pratically unsourced, but both The complete gods and goddesses... and The complete dictionary of Egyptian gods... writes about this psycho deity. If you don't have these books maybe I can try to integrate the article after your edits? Furthermore, I can't find any depcition of this god, even a copyrighted one. For some reason I initially figured it as a drunken crazy dwarf wielding a blood-soaked axe, but given the description it looks that it was more graceful. Khruner (talk) 08:43, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

The problem is, that this deity actually passed through the same reputation change as Seth! First he was beloved and nice, then Shezmu (<<<< wrong spelling!) became more and more evil. I'll take a look at my books. Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 09:02, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

About the name, Shemzu sounds weird to me too, but both the books I mentioned above calls him Shemzu, so it is possible that it is an incorrect but established and most common name for the deity! Khruner (talk) 09:10, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

It's actually Schesmu, Schezmu, Shesmu and/or Shezmu, with Shesmu being the most spelling form. I have already started. Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 09:23, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

I'm done. ;o) Wanna look? Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 10:13, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Nice :) Once created, and if I find some time, i'll check if some extra info could be added from the aforementioned books! Khruner (talk) 11:41, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Ok, I'm gonna release the new version then. Better a shorter article which is proper referenced. Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 12:08, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

A beer for you!

For accessing an obscur book by Peter Kaplony "Beschriftete Kleinfunde in der Sammlung Georges Michailidis: Ergebnisse einer Bestandsaufnahme im Sommer 1968", which contains rarely seen wonders, I believe you deserve at the very least, this beer. If I ever meet you I will pay you one for real. Iry-Hor (talk) 20:39, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Lovely gift, can't wait for the real one :) Khruner (talk) 20:42, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Lol — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.170.48.227 (talk) 23:29, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Nimaethap

Hi. I have re-written the article in my workshop. Seriously, the current version is pure horror, it's badly referenced and I was unable to find the diction "Nimaethap" in ALL of my books. Indeed, I only found "Hepenmaat" (outdated), "Nimaathap" and "Nimaat-Hapi. This should be fixed. If nothing speaks against my plan, I'm gonna renew the article. Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 14:33, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

Khufu's family tree

Hi there. I have turned the family tree into a tidy list with some short infos for certain family members. What do you think? Is it better that the old block? Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 22:22, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Hello, I can only approve your change, a list is way more clear in such cases with an high amount of relatives! Khruner (talk) 17:51, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

Darius I

I'm guessing this is from a school. No one seems to have taken any discussions to their talk page. Doug Weller (talk) 17:04, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

I remain skeptical, usernames more or less similar, never overlapping in time. I'd find difficult to write to one who most likely creates a new account at each login. Main purpose is exalting Darius, motivating his invasion of Greece with questionable casus belli, overloading the article of pics, removing "unconfortable" parts and, since today, demonising without basis the Diadochi. Khruner (talk) 17:30, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

@Khruner:, hey, amongst the quality-dropping additions which include blatant WP:OR, he's obviously socking. I've made a SPI and reverted all his last edits on the Darius I page. Bests - LouisAragon (talk) 23:01, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

@LouisAragon: thanks, I felt that a total rv was the best thing to do, but often I don't know well how to justify this act. Khruner (talk) 09:45, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

Hesy-Ra

Hi there. I have edited and expanded this article. What do you think? Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 20:24, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

Hi, not a fan of such an early period, but I have to say that his biography is interesting, especially the sun disc hieroglyph and the ivory/dentist topics! Khruner (talk) 08:47, 21 December 2015 (UTC)