User talk:Khoikhoi/Unprotected

This page is for any new or anonymous users who cannot contact me due to the semi-protection of my user talk page. Messages here will go into a separate archival log, at my own discretion. Khoikhoi 11:16, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

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sorry

Hi, This is Rahman Amiri from Kermanshah. I'm a new comer to the wiki. I addedd a website to "Kermanshah" article. You deleted it. Sorry, I added it once more, possibly because I'm not familiar with wikipedia policies. I think you should have closer look at the site. --217.219.215.10 08:30, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Salam Rahman. Please see my reply at Talk:Kermanshah Province. Thanks, Khoikhoi 08:59, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the welcome message. I was uncertain, whether I should put my message at the end or the beginning. The dates are somehow mixed.

Despite your nice Welcome I'm somehow discouraged to continue editing pages related to Turkey. Maybe I took the wrong subject (on a living person) for a start, but I made the edit on Ragıp Zarakolu hoping that objections made on it (POV, lack of sources etc.) could be overcome. I added information and sources, but someone came along and simply reverted the page to the disputed version instead of correcting mistakes I might have made (such as not using the right format for quotation). I've asked for reasons on the talk page but so far (after one day) no comments have been made.--Sc.helm 16:56, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks again and (again) uncertainty where to put this:

you've done a nice job trying to "combine" different versions. However, some information between the "older" version (your edit as of 18:58 on my clock) and my edit on 14 Feb. (13:13) do not correspond and I believe that my info is correct and "concrete". To my mind the whole paragaraph of the old version should be dropped. The so-called international communist organization was indeed Amnesty International (5 months in prison for that before charges were dropped) and the additional 2 years in prison (not 3 years) referred to an article in "Ant" (Oath). Besides, the name of Ragıp's wife cannot be shortened as "Nur". She can be called Ayşe or Ayşenur and could be a candidate for a separate page (many more trials than Ragıp). I could correct the misspellings including my "typo" of "responsibility" if you wish.--Sc.helm 20:12, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Nahef

Hi Khokhoi,
I am the anonymous user that added the comment on the Nahef page. It was a genuine attempt to add to Nahefian knowledge and not vindictive in any way. Why did you remove it?
JamesBombed

Hi. While the information seems interesting, it needs to be backed-up by a reliable source. Keep in mind that Wikipedia is not the place for original research, and we cannot write about things based on personal experience. Do you have any sources you can add to the article? Khoikhoi 11:05, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm afraid I have no sources other than my Arabic colleagues here in the north of Israel. I work about 200m from Nahef. Written references probably would not be in English. I'm gonna look into it though

Turkmen People

Hi, Turkmen population is 3,000,000??!?!

Look at the CIA 2006 estimates,
Turkmenistan — Population: 5,042,920 (July 2006 est.)

Here's the official news from Government
http://www.turkmenistan.gov.tm/ekonom/ek_stat/170406_eng.htm

And another news from different source

March 16, 2006 -- Turkmen authorities say the country's official population is now 6.7 million people, much higher than the best independent estimates, which in July 2005 put the number at about 4.9 million.

http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2006/03/826b029e-d98b-4583-8177-c1aaf9799e20.html

thanks, --Atamyrat 07:02, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

I read your message. Oh now i see that they are different things, sorry! --Atamyrat 07:05, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi again!
I have another source, what about this one?

Today, there are more than 22 million Türkmens in the world, and there are 5,500,000 Türkmens living in our independent and impartial country.

From Ruhnama, page 152
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruhnama

You can read page 152 here.
http://ruhnama.info/ruhnama-en/kitap-htm/s152.htm
--Atamyrat 07:10, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Edit reversal

Hi.. I took the liberty to update the article with the one sentence that was left out, which is taken from the same article from the library of congress that you referred to. Thanks for your open mindedness.

regards,

Zat-ı muhtereme

Pek muhterem ol beşer kişi ki dembedem evvelce ceraid(جريدة)!Eyvallah,hezeyan sizde kendini tayf vaziyyetinde peydâ olmakta.Lâkin kâffeniz(كافة)o olmamakdadur ki kâmil.Hıımmm!I found a sentence Ottoman Turkish: http://img424.imageshack.us/img424/2222/1hc2.jpg. Your sincerely--Edebiyataski 20:10, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Zat-ı muhtereme

I understand you.Because you don't understand me.I said:Evvelâ etvâr-ı levendâne o ki bu hâylî bende uyandırdı sükût-u hayâl.Müşebbehün-bin şi'r o ki siz.Türkçe çeviri: Kâmil kelimesinin anlamı tasavvuf edebiyatına göre olgun insan,yaşamın sırrına ermiş,kültürlü insan manasında gelir.Size orada tebrik yazısı göndermek istemiştim.Bir latife ederek o yazıyı Osmanlıca yazdım.Maalesef ki o kadar uğraşmanıza rağmen cümleleri anlayamamışsınız.Siteye yeni katıldım ve gördüğüm kadarıyla önemli katkılar yapmışsınız.Bu yüzden de tanışmak istedeğimi söylemek istemiştim.Galiba Osmanlı İmparatorluğu ile ilgileniyorsunuz.Gelecekte beraber çalışmalar yapabiliriz.Bilgi alış verişi yani.Yalnız İngilizceyi biliyorum ama yazmayı pek sevmiyorum.Türkçe yazdığım için kusura bakmayın.Arkadaşlarınız Türkçeye çevirirler.Şimdi size Divan Edebiyatından bir kaç örnek: Now,I'll give to example of the Divan Letters(Divan Edebiyatı): yazan(written by)Yahya Kemal Beyatlı

      Aziz İstanbul(Saint Istanbul)

Sana dün bir tepeden baktım azîz İstanbul!(I looked from a hill saint Istanbul yesterday!) Görmedim gezmediğim, sevmediğim hiçbir yer. (I do not saw to travelled and I do not love nowhere,) Ömrüm oldukça, gönül tahtıma keyfince kurul! (I'm life a rather,you're sits heart the whole myself. Sâde bir semtini sevmek bile bir ömre değer.(Your're loves a plain even,its merits everythihg!)

Nice revnaklı şehirler görünür dünyâda, Lâkin efsunlu güzellikleri sensin yaratan. Yaşamıştır derim, en hoş ve uzun rü'yâda Sende çok yıl yaşayan, sende ölen, sende yatan.

--edebiyataşığı 19:50, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Turkish Coffee

These claims are not supported. Those references are Greek commercial pages. Historians are in agreement that coffee was not known before the 16th century in Constantinople. I edited this page many times. But fake claims below keep coming back. You should delete this sentence below not mine.

In 1475, the world's first coffee shop was opened in the ex-capital of the Byzantine Empire soon after its conquest by the Turks. According to a legend, the shop-owners were Greeks.[2][3][4] That was followed by the establishment of more coffee houses in Istanbul (former Constantinople).

Sadeq Sharafkandi

Hello!!

One question, why did you delete the Sharafkandi article?

Hi! I deleted the article because most of the content was copied from here, which says at the bottom, "www.pdk-iran.org©PDKI All Rights Reserved." I had to delete the article because it was a possible copyright violation.

Feel free to re-submit a new version of the article. You may use external websites as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences. This part is crucial: say it in your own words.

If the external website belongs to you, and you want to allow Wikipedia to use the text — which means allowing other people to modify it — then you must include on the external site the statement "I, (name), am the author of this article, (article name), and I release its content under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.2 and later."

You might want to look at Wikipedia's policies and guidelines for more details, or ask a question here. You can also leave a message on my talk page. Khoikhoi 01:07, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi!!

oki, thanks

on a deleting spree?

I just noticed that you went out of your way to remove most of the links to eecities.com that I added - I believe eecities.com to be a very informative site which provides concrete info... and the links were placed on RELEVANT wikipedia entries (EU Expansion, etc) which begs the question: what IS your problem? Oh, and the little cut and paste blurb you gave as an explanation is not good enough - I don't think it provides relevant arguments in this case...

Hi. While you are encouraged to contribute to Wikipedia, adding links to your website is not allowed. The reason is because that's not how Wikipedia grows, it grows when content (rather than external links) is added to articles. Secondly, we don't want Wikipedia to turn into some directory external links, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. Therefore, if you see any spam-like links, please be bold and remove them. Regards, Khoikhoi 21:14, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Hey. You seem to have forgotten the second part of the equation: …but don't be reckless. Anyway, that's the problem with Wikipedia - some links are tolerated and others aren't even if they provide a useful service. Too arbitrary for me, sorry.

is a mistake mixing maps in european countries

hello khoikhoi I thanked you that do not change maps of different types if want can put the green maps or the other maps Greetings.--Hjncfkdnmhbjk 00:11, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

about the maps

Hello khoikhoi y said that if the green maps do not you like can change them, but the problem is that the maps cannot be mixed because all the maps of the wikipedia are of gray color marked of green, what you can cause is to change all the maps of all the countries.--Hjncfkdnmhbjk 00:35, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Bm79

Hello! Thanks for sending me a message. I still don't know much about how all this works. But I wanted to ask for help :) I Am from Iranian Azerbaijan and I saw a lot of rubbish regarding the article about "Iranian Azerbaijan" and I edited some. There are some rubbish left that also have some references, but the references are even more rubbish, they actually take you nowhere but the person has made some incredible and childish claims. How can Idelete references???

Thanks for writing me again! I'll keep that in mind. The reason I got involved was that I saw huge inaccuracies, some which I edited. But there is so much chaos. For example I edited the word "Turkmen" to "Azeri" regarding the Safavid and the Qajar, and there are some people (two preomeninetly Tajik and Azerbaijani) who seem to have nothing to do but distort facts about Azerbaijanis. It made me even wonder that because this site is so big there may be even agents of the Islamic Regime hired to polute and undermine the articles that the Islamic regime of Iran may feel threaten its integrity or something like that!!! Maybe this is absurd but who knows!

The reference I told you about... just look at this absolutely incredible statement on the article about Iranian Azerbaijan:

"A recent study of the genetic landscape of Iran was completed by a team of Cambridge geneticists led by Dr. Maziar Ashrafian Bonab (an Iranian Azerbaijani).[6] Bonab remarked that his group had done extensive DNA testing on different language groups, including Indo-European and non Indo-European speakers, in Iran.[7] The study found that the Azerbaijanis of Iran do not have a similar FSt and other genetic markers found in Anatolian and European Turks. However, the genetic Fst and other genetic traits like MRca and mtDNA of Iranian Azeris were identical to Persians in Iran."

refrence number 7 doe not take anywhere! And the last sentence is just hillarious. That has nothing to do with fact or science. Read this: "The study found that the Azerbaijanis of Iran do not have a similar FSt and other genetic markers found in Anatolian and European Turks. However, the genetic Fst and other genetic traits like MRca and mtDNA of Iranian Azeris were identical to Persians in Iran." This is clearly rubbish because it has nothing to do with those references and it looks like Nazi-style scientific speaking to me, the difference is that Nazis didn't go around telling everyone they were Aryans too. These people are making everybody Aryans, by force, and Nazis exterminated non-Aryans!!Bm79 07:56, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Khoikhoi, this person is a pan Turkist. You can tell by the way he just ignores evidents and calls them "fake"... Its ridiculous really. Just look at he says about the genetic data and other sources. Please warn him not to make POV changes. He doesnt seem to understand that he cannot just claim something he doesnt like is incorrect and then try to change it. By the way Bm79, the Nazi's werent Aryans, they thought they were, so that alone contradicts everything you said, because Nazi's didnt base anything on fact!Azerbaijani 04:08, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

I am pan-Turkist? Is this a "personal" attack? All my family and everybody where I lived call each other "Turk", should I deny or ignore it? khoikhoi, I wish to paste this from the article "Azarbaijan has an area of 176,512 square kilometers and a population of about 10 million (estimates vary). Azeris make up the majority of the population in the Iranian region of Azarbaijan. Azarbaijan is famous for its great natural beauty. There are 17 rivers and two lakes in the region. Cotton, nuts, textiles, tea, machinery and electrical equpiments are main industries. The northern, alpine region, which includes Lake Urmia, is mountainous, with deep valleys and fertile lowlands." Is thisa serious article? It gives Iranian Azerbaijan a specific size??? It gives it a specific population??? let's go and give Turkish Kurdistan a specific size and population then. The article says that Azerbaijan is famous for its natural beauty???? I have never heard anybody saying that "that country is famous for its natural uglyness" HAHAHA, you get what I mean? Later in the article it says that Azerbaijanis are "identical" to Persians genetically. Is this a serious article??? Maybe this guy (kid, teenager, or something) wrote it, but I wished to make it less POV (he has just learnt POV and writing it everywhere) and I haven't been able to. How can I do so that my homeland is not made fun in an article??? There must be a way, because as I can see one-two or thre people can hijack things as they wish on this website. If it is really possible, then I must think about forgetting and retreating. I also wrote some stuff below! Thanks :) Bm79 04:47, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Dear khoikhoi, I started to learna bit about how wikipedia works and it's quite strange, and I have just decided that I will not involve in this anymore. There are users that insult other users who do not agree with them, specifically say they are either writing POV, or vandalising, or that they are pan-Turkist, or that they create other account. The member Azerbaijani has accused so many users of these things on a daily basis. I don't really care, but if this website is supposed to create quality work then this is not the way to do it. I wanted to do edits, but now I am never going to edit anything because some kids are going to accuse and insult me all the time. I don't know much about other articles but as far as I got to know, the articles I wasn interested about, are made a mockery of by few individuals (and from the time they spend on their ideas on the Internet it is obvious they are youngsters). Just a thought! And I think I will receive more insults because of just having said this. Good day Bm79 17:12, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Dear khoikhoi, you haven't written me. I thought of giving up and forgetting about this website but I couldn't. Do you agree to be intimidated and leave unsourced and inaccurate data becasue there are (essentially one user who continuously insults and intimidates Azerbaijanis, and has paradoxically chosen the name "Azerbaijani' probably for the same reason, so he could be authoritative)? You told me to bring proof otherwise. Let me go through this again :) The article about "Iranian Azerbaijan" says that the area has a specific size. I wanted to change it but I confronted being called "vandaliser", "POV", "pan-Turkist" and so on. I saw that the user Azerbaijani has been doing the same thing to other Azerbaijanis as well (the republic or Iran). Could anyone bring up any reliable source to prove that Iranian Azerbaijan is anything but an "approximate" area, exacly like Turkish Kurdistan??? No. Iranian Azerbaijan has no boundaries and no one can measure it. What about the population 10 million!? Those three provinces that are mentioned have even less population. And other parts of the article say that Azerbaijan is rich, beautiful and so on. I tried to change them but I was again named names. How can we deal with such a person who is intolerant and abusive?! You saw the sources given. They are sources from Persian Nationalists and extremely unreliable. I wrote a few sentences the other time from the sources and they were just a couple of articles from two people. Is it OK for me to give sources from Azerbaijani nationalists to confront those sources? That would be wrong because this is an informative website, not a political arena. Pleaselooking forward for your reply. Thanks!Bm79 03:49, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Another remark left by the member "Azerbaijani" about the Qajar, I copy-paste: "They did not descend from Ohguz Turks, however, they did speak a language of Oghuz origin. To say that they are of Oghuz origin is wrong, because, and this is the most obvious reason, they werent Mongoloid!Azerbaijani 21:23, 31 December 2006 (UTC)" Why is this member tolerated? Whenever I see the name os this member it is like a nightmare, because if I touch whatever he has done they will be reversed immediately and I will be insulted and intimidated again. He has put "linguistic" in front of origin so that he makes his point clear that they were not Mongoloids! They were Persians who just spoke Turkic becasue... just because, just like the Safavid and anybody else who is an Azerbaijani. Why is this person allowed to mock us like this? Bm79 04:22, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! Dear khoikhoi, please look at the ORIGINAL text I have written in the tak section oif Azerbaijan (Iran) and you will see that the original text has been altered, adding and removing parts. Please take a look, all I did was to put the original text. Here is the link to look at the original text from Columbia Encyclopedia, which is not Iranian and not Azerbaijani, and is an independent Western reliable source, unlike some of other sources. The article had been copy-pasted from the same place, though altered. http://www.reference.com/search?q=azerbaijn

That page's source is Columbia Encyclopedia, which has been illegitimately altered by some to look like something else. Bm79 12:49, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

khoikhoi, thank you for your attention! I am new and unfortunately I did not quite understand what was going on. Obviously some person, either the person who had originally written the article or the person who had added THOSE parts was doing something illegal, which is, as you know, to take a text from a source and either not mention it or alter the source so that it intentioanlly looks different.

Please also look at the article "Azerbaijan" which has some terribly biased things written there. Here is what I saw which is really BIASED, obviously written with a clear intention that Azerbaijan is not the name of the republic of Azerbaijan and the sources are 1) a letter from an Armenian to the US (are they kidding us???!!!) and two others from a book by an Iranian and an ARTICLE by another Iranian. Please look at the sources. If the sources are not reliable then the writing must not be like THIS:

With the collapse of Tsarist Russia in 1917, the Musavat ("Equality") Turkic Federalist Party, which had pan Turkic elements within it, met in Tbilisi on May 27, 1918 to create their own state, which they named Azerbaijan. According to some sources, the name Azerbaijan was adopted in order to claim north western Iran.[4][5] The Bolsheviks re-conquered the Caucasus and kept the name Azerbaijan, in hopes of later adding north western Iran into the Soviet Union.[6][7] Mohammad Amin Rasulzade, the leader of Musavat party, later admitted a mistake in choosing the name Azerbaijan for the state, saying that Albania (referring to Caucasian Azerbaijan) was different than Azerbaijan (referring to Iranian Azerbaijan). Rasulzade Also declared his eagerness to do "whatever is in his power to avoid any further discontent among Iranians".[8] Bm79 04:48, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Dear khoikhoi, are you here? I would like to have a chat :) Or some other admin if possible. Please contact me! Thanks! Bm79 03:02, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Dear khoikhoi, I am not very familiar with this site yet but from the articles I have found out about one thing has been made so clear to me. There are certain inviduals. It doesn't need to me more than 5, and they could all be one person on the Internet but from differing attitudes I think they are more than JUST 1. These members are absolutely intent on mocking everything related to Azerbaijan and Azerbaijanis. Remeber the article about Iranian Azerbaijan? THe user "Azerbaijani" who used to delete everything I had edited, after the admins erased the copyright-violation parts, disappeared for a couple of days, during which was busy mocking other Azerbaijani related articles came back and reverted everything to what it was before. I really think admins should take necessary measures to stop this. These members are continuously mocking, intimidating, insulting and personally attacking the Azerbaijanis. They make essays about how Azerbaijan is dubious as a country and how Azerbaijanis are dubious, impure and so and so as a people. Their essays have made through to become articles. Azerbaijani personalities are made either Turkem, either Persian or they have been made otherwise. And above all they have continuously written absolutely pure essays about Azerbaijan and through intimidations and continuous edits their versions seem to be the articles. All I am asking is for some admins to take a look at these and either block them, or erase them or something. Why should articles (about Azerbaijan and Azerbaijanis) instead of focusing on Azerbaijan and Azerbaijanis focus on how Azerbaijanis and their leaders are actually NOT what they seem to be and how they have done this and that, according to persian and Armenian sources!!!! Interesting that Iran and Armenia are such close friends! Maybe terrorism is their common aim, which is clearly shown here on the Internet! Bm79 21:30, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

User:72.49.107.14

Hi Khoikhoi. I noticed you reverted this guy. He could probably do with chilling out for an hour or two. Would you be willing to block him and give him a break? Reverse Gear 05:22, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for that. Just a silly kid but annoying for the guys who keep having to revert his edits. Reverse Gear 05:42, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I did know and I wasn't aware I hadn't somewhere. Thanks for the reminder though. Reverse Gear 13:14, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't know why it's doing that! I thought I should be red. I should probably put something on my userpage and see whether that works. Reverse Gear 13:28, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Okay, thanks, I fixed it. Reverse Gear 13:46, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Me or Him?

Please do not spam articles like you did to Macedonia. Teak the Kiwi 03:08, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Please stop. If you continue to vandalize pages, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Khoikhoi 03:43, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Where you talking to me (TtK) or 195.251.255.200? Teak the Kiwi 01:56, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

History of Pakistan

This page is again "protected" with Indian propaganda. We have been trying remove controversal Indian perspecive from these Pakistani pages. You have "protetedt" the page with Indian propaganda. The Pakistani contributors have so far refrained from History of India. But the Indian have been virulenty changing text on Pakistani pages with thier propaganda. It would request you to consider your decision. I would prefer it to be protected with Pakistani version of our history. Siddiqui 03:56, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

He has started editing tendentiously across India pages as well, like Christianity in India and History of India adding unreliable nonsense.Rumpelstiltskin223 05:29, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi Khoikhoi

Where are you from? Are you from Bodrum? Morris Munroe 19:51, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi

why did you revert the changes in azerbaijani language, can you proof which state of armenia governed those regions so that we mention the former armenian state while not mentioning other cultures. Canerguclu 03:50 12 Jan 2007

Hi Khoikhoi

Why do you regard the links to the online keyboards (for example russian) as inappropriate? For somebody who is studying a language they may be very helpful. 14:59 13 Jan 2007 Snorr

human.az

sorry but the links were directly related with the issue and it is one of the important sites of the Azerbaijani perspective.--Замя́тин 09:23, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

It is a hate website, and does not meet WP:RS. Should I add links to hellenicgenocide.org on articles about Turkey? Khoikhoi 09:28, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

:) There is a link to hellenicgenocide.org on Pontic Greek Genocide article.--Замя́тин 09:30, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Not anymore. ;-) Khoikhoi 09:32, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks.--Замя́тин 09:35, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks. Cäelevar 11:27, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi

Why shouldn't archives be edited? If i don't agree with pathethic hellenistic propaganda do i have to shut up and see them misinform people? Makidonu 21:54, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, according to {{talkarchive}}, they shouldn't. It's old discussion. Why don't you make new comments on the talk page? Khoikhoi 21:59, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Ok sorry my bad! :)

complain

dear khoikhoi I am new in wikipedia and I updated a very poor article about Rasulzade and you can go and check my user name is Elsanaturk. but a user called Azerbaijani three times hindered me to put new material and after that h took my material spoiled it and put it and after that reported me on 3rrrd or something but when I was blocked he returned and edited that page 'four' times and deleted my cited sentence. isn't it a vandalism?217.64.23.1 05:32, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

I understand your concern. In fact, Azerbaijani is blocked too. It cannot be called vandalism, this is actually a dispute over content. However, what I reccomend you do (after your block expires) is that you leave a comment on the talk page saying what you want to add, and then try to come to a compromise (follow the dispute resolution process). Also, perhaps you could try providing third-party sources rather than Azeri ones. Azeri sources are fine, it's just that we'd have to state "according to Azeri sources" in the sentence. You can also try talking to Grandmaster, who is also from Azerbaijan. Perhaps he can help you resolve this conflict with User:Azerbaijani. Regards, Khoikhoi 05:44, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Kalash

Many Kalash claim that they are the direct descendants of Macedonians se Macedonian Descents In Pakistan.AVI [1] and "Pakistani Kalasch Y-Chromosome Haplogroup Frequency" (related to Jugoslaiav Macedonian)" HUMAN RACES CALCULATOR [2].194.236.207.147 18:33, 17 Januari 2007. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 194.236.208.147 (talk) 18:39, 17 January 2007 (UTC).

about Azeri Lang

hi, i only think that mentioning Armenia is really unnecessary that is what i had told earlier. other way, i did not revert them referring the turco-armenian 100-year-old conflicts. i claim that those places was only for a short term ,including the last era of the ottoman empire, "geographically" called Armenia. to mention armenia will make us to mention the old kartli-kakheti (georgian empire), or many others which participate in the history of this highly populated multi-ethnic area. I had not intented to delete an ARMENIAN fact because of a conflict of my home country and Armenia. yes i am turkish but not a racist or hostile against armenians, furthermore i really have good feelings for them. please tell me a reason to choose only Armenia to mention other than the numerous ancient cultures or turkish-islamic existance. thank you --Canerguclu 23:05, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

yeah i now see that the terms "formerly" are removed finally.. then that is now ok. really am i sorry that i wrote the message just as an answer before checking the last changes--Canerguclu 23:14, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Problem

As you know I tried to talk to you I didnt know you had this page to message you. You protected those 2 images on my User:Ararat_arev page. If you notice this image http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Tigranmetscoin.jpg that Nareklm uploaded from the same site "armenianhighland.com" in his source ? The tag also is the same exact tag I put and the source. Yet he keepts his and mine gets to be removed by him and "no source" tag? And you protected the image page??? Why? Please explain your actions here. He has uploaded an image from the same site armenianhighland.com as I did with the other pictures. I have the same source and tag on them as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Tigranmetscoin.jpg this from Nareklm uploaded from same site man. Do you understand please correct this mistake whether im banned or not. Thank you. Cant you see his spending his time doing this foolish things??? When he has the same http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Tigranmetscoin.jpg source and tag ??? Ararat _Arev

Please take a look at the site armenianhighland.com where the link is provided to see for yourself these images are on that site. His link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Tigranmetscoin.jpg doesnt even point to that page either.

Ararat, you must understand that when you are blocked, you cannot try to circumvent it. Now your main account is blocked for 3 weeks. I will lower it 1 week, but only if you promise sit your block out from now on. You can deal with the images and articles one you are unblocked. Understood? Khoikhoi 05:4

2, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

I understand, but do you understand he is personally removing my images, yet they are the same approval as his?? Can you atleast yourself correct this personal issues he has ?

Can you yourself do this then? Can you correct his mistakes when he has the same source Source: http://www.armenianhighland.com/tigranthegreat/chronicle506.html (disable javascript to view)

I promise you I wont touch it, I will just let you know what he is doing here, if he repeats these things

Im telling you Khoikhoi. If you do this he wont bother me anymore. If you let me to do it after block? He will continue doing this stuff agaisnst me

First off, they are not *your* images (unless you took them yourself or are the copyright holder). See WP:OWN for more information. I think it's best that you take some time off Wikipedia while you are blocked, as every time you come back, you start to get stressed out about things like these, try to edit, and then I just extend your block further. Khoikhoi 05:48, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Why arent you getting this man? I told you the guy is personally having something against me. Otherwise I kinow you see his image that he uploaded from ArmenianHighland.com not *his" images. Yet he keeps his and not mine??>?>>

There is many things he has been doing like this. This isnt the first time.

You should've blocked him also. In fact he should be blocked by now for doing that

Image:Tigranmetscoin.jpg appears to be public domain. As for the others, Image:Hurrian-AncientArmenian.jpg, and Image:Nkar3.jpg, it's not as easy to confirm. Where did armenianhighland.com get the images from? Do they give permission to use them on Wikipedia? How old are they? These are several questions one must ask when uploading images. Khoikhoi 05:54, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

I told you look in the edit history. He removed the source and tag which was the same as the Tigran one. Its all from http://www.armenianhighland.com man . I even told him about that site man

Dont yuou see in the edit history of those images, I put the same tag and source as the Tigran image, to show that its the same source and tag

Go look in the site to find the images if you have to. His Tigran image is there, so is my images

Look http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Image:Nkar3.jpg&diff=102370532&oldid=102370412

Can't you deal with this all after you're unblocked? Khoikhoi 06:00, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

No please do this. If you do it he wont bother me. If i do it >?>

Besides he's trying to have a fight with me, and I dont want that

Even when I get unblocked, he's going to continue this. He shouldnt even be doing this in the first place, whether Im blocked or not

Look at this image for example he didnt even touch, doesnt even have anytnhing there no source no tag nothing, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Horizon1.jpg You see his is picking specific images to remove

If he bothers you, there are ways to deal with this through the proper channels, such as WP:DR, WP:RFC, WP:AN, and WP:AN/I. You can also ask the 1000 other admins we have here for advice. Khoikhoi 06:16, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Since you are available why arent you correting these "mistakes" and yes they are "mistakes". Just picture it as any user. You seem to be excluded this guy lke special case or something

You are suppose to "act" on these situations. He is having "fun" removing images, when they are not suppose to be removed. He is having "fun" the wrong way

Sometimes I am amazed that you support this

Maybe you could explain to me or another admin what the correct copyright status of the images are? Khoikhoi 06:26, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

For which ones? His uploaded Tigran also? and mine ? I told they are both from the same place. I showed him http://www.armenianhighland.com and he took the image from their , and mine are from their also. I gave you the edit history didnt you see it?

You noticed he kept the Haldi.jpg back how it is? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Haldi.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Image:Hurrian-AncientArmenian.jpg&diff=102369913&oldid=102369758 Because he is specificly wants to remove these images

I'm starting to get more and more confused here. What exactly do you want? I can't unprotect the images until your block expires, so do you want me to add some copyright tag to them? If so, which one? Khoikhoi 06:33, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Hurrian ancient Armenian cuneiform writing

This work has been (or is hereby) released into the public domain by the copyright holder. This applies worldwide. In case this is not legally possible: The copyright holder grants any entity the right to use this work for any purpose, without any conditions, unless such conditions are required by law.

Source: http://www.armenianhighland.com/yerevan/chronicle202.html (disable javascript to view)

and

Armenic Sumerian artifact (star of Inn-anna/Anahit)

This work has been (or is hereby) released into the public domain by the copyright holder. This applies worldwide. In case this is not legally possible: The copyright holder grants any entity the right to use this work for any purpose, without any conditions, unless such conditions are required by law.

Source: http://www.armenianhighland.com/kings/chronicle572.html (disable javascript to view)

What happened?? I dont see the corrections?

I've left a note on Jkelly's talk page. Khoikhoi 07:20, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for doing that but, Jkelly is not here for atleast a month. I have left many notes on his page and there has not been responses. He has not been replying to anyone I noticed. Please correct this problem.

Just read what you wrote earlier. You said "do you want me to put the right copyright tag?" Yes put the tag that was there which Narek reverted, and he has the same in Tigran's image from the same source armenianhighland.com. Also, with Haldi.jpg he reverted but this time he left it. 75.4.217.52 07:26, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

According to Special:Contributions/Jkelly, he still appears to be around. I don't know enough about copyright as he does, so I'd prefer it if I can get an opinion from him before I make any changes. Khoikhoi 07:27, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Khoi you basically think Im lying. Im showing you all the links here to check. All you have to do is check them. All these images are from the same site ok? Can you please correct them already

These images have been on my page since I started using this site. They were never removed!

And Jkelly had already seen all my images in the beginning. He didnt remove them

Khoi here is whats going on. Nareklm removed the "sources" ok? That is why he puts that "no source" tag in order to say there is no source so go and delete it. You see ?? Please put the sources back ok??? Its the ones I gave you here already man from armenainhghland.com Source: http://www.armenianhighland.com/yerevan/chronicle202.html (disable javascript to view)

Source: http://www.armenianhighland.com/kings/chronicle572.html (disable javascript to view)

Khoi, Narek is playing a game here dont you see?? Please dont play that game with me either! You are a nice guy so far Ive known you! Please fix this foolish issues. He removes the "Sources" I put. Same sources he put from same site !

There's been a lot of fuss about this user's uploads on my talk page. I've seriously got about half an archive's worth of text. Nevertheless, the entire story is that we received an email from whatever website they came from at permissions saying that Wikipedia could use the images, we responded asking for a specific license, and, as far as I know, never got a response. The cuneiform image is probably {{PD-ineligible}} (but if we want it, we should probably create our own, cleaned-up, version of the script). I have no idea what this other thing might be. In both cases, Wikipedia is not the copyright holder, so that license template needs to be changed. Jkelly 18:02, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Can you atleast add back the sources that Nareklm had removed? Nareklm has images uploaded from the same site armenianhighland.com with sources but yet his didnt get removed with "no source" tags

Jkelly the Armenian dance photos have nothing to do with these images from armenianhighland.com. User:Nareklm is using the same site for "source" , yet he purposely removed my same source (same site armenainhighland.com images) with "no source" so you can remove it. Please check this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Tigranmetscoin.jpg ,this is the same site armenainhighland.com source. Yet he removed my images from the "same site" "same source" Ararat_arev

The source I also had put in "File History" please check at the bottom of the images

Safavi pages

Dear Khoikhoi, User Azerbaijani provides several references, which do not have valid quotes, i.e. quote stating that Sheikh Safi's mother tongue was Tati, actually refers to Tati language not to the fact that it was "Sheikh Safi's mother tongue".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safavid_dynasty http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safi_Al-Din

I keep removing this claim, and Azerbaijani keeps adding it back. Now I just added "citation needed" quotes. Please, take a note of the issue, if Azerbaijani cannot provide a valid quote within a week, the claim should not be there. Thanks.Atabek 07:12, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

You are correct; the source does not mention Safi Al-Din. It is better to provide an explanation in an edit summary for these things. You are also correct that unsourced claims should be removed (see this email by Jimbo). However, let's see if sources can be provided first. You might consider making a comment at Talk:Safavid dynasty and Talk:Safi Al-Din. Regards, Khoikhoi 07:20, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

I did not put those in that article! Also, it was I who told him to put citation tags on things he disputed! This is ridiculous! Khoikhoi, please do a check user on this person, he seems very familiar! Regarding the content of the page Safi Al-Din, Khoikhoi please see the extensive discussion on the talk page regarding the content, several users were involved in a long discussion and seemingly came to a conclusion: [1] Taking a quick look through, I noticed that the Encyclopedia of Islam and Iranica were both brought up as sources regarding Safi Al-Din's background and language, so I guess, since they had that long discussion on the talk page, thatt hey forgot or thought it unecessary to site their sources. Anyway, it is well known that Safi Al-Din was indeed Iranian or more specifically atleast half Persian, and that his poems were in the old language of Tati, so I dont know why Atabek feels the need to dispute this. Also Khoikhoi, could you please tell User Grandmaster that he cannot dictate to everyone what is and what is not a reliable source, and please tell him that he cannot base his claims on his POV without bring up evidence. He continually removes and criticizes sources he does not like without evidence, as he did on the History of the name Azerbaijan page. Interestingly, on the very Safi Al-Din talk page, Grandmaster criticises Encyclopaedia Iranica, yet since then I have seen him use Iranica as a source! He is obviously, and I mean no offense by this, just from my observation, a POV pusher. He criticizes what he doesnt like and tries his best to remove it, and then goes to another page and uses the same sources he criticized to contribute to his defense...I dont know what to do anymore. He has even gone as far as criticizing two well known historians in the field of Iranian history, one of which is Dr. Kaveh Farrokh who is half Azeri himself! Since you are an admin, I feel as though coming to you is my best option, since confronting him about these issues could be considered a personal attack.Azerbaijani 20:40, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Population numbers @ Persian Page

Hi,

Please take a look at the population table of Persian people where the upperbound is 54 million. If we add up the numbers given in table as given, we arrive at 37-43 million range. I left a note on the talk page a few weeks ago, but unfortunately it was largely ignored (except for an irrelevant response that did not address the simple mistake in the arithmetics). Thanks.Heja Helweda 03:41, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

I took look

Sorry wrong place. :) you can move it. I'll assume good faith as you suggested.(erased previous message). --alidoostzadeh 03:57, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

March Days

Dear Khoikhoi. I have added material directly related to the historical events, and every single sentence of it is reference. I haven't removed a single sentence from previous version, just moved and added sections of material. Yet Nareklm vandalized the site and removed hours of my work, and reverted back to old 5-line version without any valuable explanation. Please, protect this page at its current version, or if it's changed again protect it at version: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=March_Days&oldid=103363190 . Otherwise, this kind of behavior discourages any kind of contribution to Wikipedia. He also keeps removing references at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_Albania . Please, help. Kinds thanks. Tengri 17:20, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

South Asia

I am already tired of removing such kind of crappy Indian-POV, User:Thegreyanomaly kept removing the United Nations sources that I provided and called that "Lack of Sources", "Chinese POV". (How dare?!)

FYI, I am using shared ip addresses: 218.102.23.XX and here are my edits/edit summary: [2][3]

Please kindly review and I believe that my edits are NPOV enough. --218.102.23.94 07:30, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

I think the current version of the article is NPOV. Tibet is only sometimes considered as being part of South Asia, not usually, as Britannica points out. BTW, why don't you get an account? Khoikhoi 07:40, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Paswords lost! btw, Here she/he is again!--218.102.23.91 07:54, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

If you have a confirmed email, then you can get it re-sent. If you don't have a confirmed email, then you are in trouble. What is the name of your account? Khoikhoi 08:06, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't have a confirmed email with my wiki acct. BTW, on South Asia User:Thegreyanomaly once again added the TIB template which comes with a POV Snow Lion flag which does not represent the region. I already told him on talk page but he/she seems sidestepping the issue. If you have time, could you please kindly take a look at this POV case? Thanks!--219.79.164.95 14:40, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

I just checked the article, and I don't see the flag there any more. I think it represents the region, it's just not an official flag. Khoikhoi 11:07, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

No matter it was official or not, my opinion is that we should not use historical-flag template on such kind of geopolitical article(unless it clearly mention the History), For example, using Manchukuo's flag [4] representing Northeastern China seems extremely weird. There are similarities between the cases of Tibet and Manchuria, both countries were de facto independent of ROC while nominal, or de jure Chinese superordination was internationally accepted (e.g., League of Nations on Manchuria and UK/US positions on Tibet).--219.73.86.204 04:45, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Hello!

Thanx a lot for the welcoming, i need help indeed, how can i contact a user with a blocked discussion page?. i want to contact Szhaider Al-Munthir

What a load of rubbish.

Hi Khoikhoi, I noticed you gave me a warm welcome when I signed up for a Wikipedia account, for that I bid you a fond thank you.

Recently I have observed the '1st World' country thread (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1st_world) and I find it ruthlessly annoying that certain members just delete facts. For example, there are 2 or 3 trolls/vandalist who deletes countries such as South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong and New Zealand as 1st world countries, instead replacing them with just Norway. I find this unbelievable rude, I know this is the internet, but without proper excuse seems pretty bad behaviour to me.

Aside from that matter, I have also explained that Hong Kong and Taiwan are special Administritive regions, and therefore are not considered a part of China, but what the editor of my statement thought was that Hong Kong/ Taiwan fall under the exact same economy, custom status as China, which I found absolutely untrue.

Please view the editorial, and please take the right action.

Kind Regards,
Seong.
Seong0980

Hi, I think the solution here is for you to cite reliable sources. According to WP:V, "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth." Therefore, if you can provide sources that show that South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong and New Zealand are First World countries, then you will be at an advantage, and the other users who delete them will have to find opposing sources. Regards, Khoikhoi 22:19, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi, thank you for your quick response, but I have tried to reasoned with Cali567 and had come to no ends, I have proven him wrong that Mexico is not a 1st World country, that Switzerland altough a wealthy state, could not be included as a 1st world ocuntry due to them not taking the neutralist survey. But he keeps deleting facts and adding his own. It is getting a little bit irritating, as he had provided what he thought were the right facts, but with the wrong match for answers, HDI doesn't necessary mean 1st world countries!

I have also provided sources of Hong Kong, South Korea and Taiwan being 1st world in the East Asian Tigers as source. But he only adds New Zealand, and few other European countries, while deleting all of the Asian ones except Japan (which raises suspicion, since he wanted balance, but filled up ones from each continent.

Would I be acting too soon if I requested a vandalism ban request on him? But we are both new to Wikipedia, I just want him to understand, perhaps you could talk to him?

Kind Regards, Seong

User:Seong0980Seong 15:19, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi again, I have created a possible resolution to in the 1st World page. The rule of 3, which allows a full balance if the countries qualify for 1st World, for each continent. For example, for Asia it is Japan, South Korea and Hong Kong SAR, thus 3 countries keeping each continent a perfect balance. I have already proven my facts from Wikipedia's pages as reliable sources, not I have created a possible solution to end the desputes between Cali567 and I.

King Regards, Seong

User:Seong0980Seong 15:55, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Stop it!

you are racist especially against Arab people and that is unacceptable, box recreated, stop your vandalism and respect the rules of this encyclopedia in which you have the admin privileges. Al-Munthir 02:44, 28 January 2007 (UTC) Striking comment per WP:NPA. Yuser31415 (Editor review two!) 03:18, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Its seems like you're not a good admin to check this

Angine is not me Khoikhoi. She is my girlfriend in Iran living 4000 miles away you understand??? How else can I prove but you admins check all the info and find out. And dont revert her edits in Armenian language either. 216.175.94.233 03:10, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Since I was blocked, I told her to do this for me. You have no right to remove her edits without further evidence. You didnt read Dbachmann's Talk page. Angine didnt put that part. She talked in there. She is not hte one stating "I klnow im blocked but can...." 216.175.94.233 03:12, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

If you remove her, you are poor admin. You dont even know how to verify. Thats your problem. My girlfriend will make a page and get her account. You dont stop her from doing that. You really piss me off man 216.175.94.233 03:15, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

According to Wikipedia:Sock puppetry#Meatpuppets:

These accounts are often described as "meatpuppets", a name perhaps inspired by the band of the same name. They are often difficult to distinguish from real sock puppets and are treated similarly. Neither a sock puppet nor a single-purpose account holder is regarded as a member of the Wikipedia community. The Arbitration Committee has ruled that, for the purpose of dispute resolution, when there is uncertainty whether a party is one user with sock puppets, or several users acting as meatpuppets, they may be treated as one individual.

So if you're just telling her to make edits for you, then I can still treat her as if she is your sockpuppet. Khoikhoi 03:17, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

She is not making her edits through me you understand?? She lives in Iran, and she knows Sanskrit. Now put back the edits 216.175.94.233 03:18, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

You dont even know her. How do you know that she wasnt the one that showed me about Sanskrit and the links?? 216.175.94.233 03:20, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

You really know how to piss someone off man. I thought you were different before. That Narek 16 year old has gotten to you hasnt he? 216.175.94.233 03:22, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

I think you have a hard time understanding me?? I said Angine knows Persian as well as Indian Sanskrit. She studied in Iran ok?? She told me somethings about this I didnt know. That is why I told her to add it there. She knew the info, but I only told her to add it there from her "info that she revealed to me" you understand??>? 216.175.94.233 03:29, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Why dont you look at her Talk page??? Why is it empty?? She never talked to me here on Wikipedia man! I talk to her by phone! 216.175.94.233 03:30, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

For the love of God, please clam down. I have reverted myself on Armenian language and removed the sockpuppet tag from your girlfriend's userpage. However, if she starts making disruptive edits similar to yours, she will be blocked. Understand? Khoikhoi 03:39, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Please revert back Narek' revert. Explain to him Angine is not following what Im saying. And this is the only edit she did and she is not going to do any more. 216.175.94.233 03:43, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Look I read what Narek wrote to you. Angine didnt edit the Urartu image. And she is not going to edit anything else. Please revert back that Narek revert 216.175.94.233 03:48, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Narek doesnt know about this topic! Sanskrit etc etc. Narek doesnt know you understande??? 216.175.94.233 03:48, 28 January 2007 (UTC) Please revert his revert

Why can't Angine revert him? Khoikhoi 03:51, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

I was just thinking of that. 216.175.94.233 03:52, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Angine is not going to use this site anymore. Please revert it. 216.175.94.233 03:52, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

And block the page, cause Narek keep vandaling like that. 216.175.94.233 03:53, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Im telling you , you wont see any edits by her, is you see something wrong block her then? But put this revert back and block that page. That guy Narek isnt always right you have to understand this 216.175.94.233 03:55, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

But why? You're not supposed to be editing, so I can't make edits on your behalf. Khoikhoi 03:57, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Khoi, its not my edit. She put that I told you she showed me about this on tacentral. Now please revert Narek's vandal. I told you Narek isnt always right, do you undertand?? 216.175.94.233 03:58, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

But it's you who's asking me to do it. You still haven't explained to me why your girlfriend can't revert him. Khoikhoi 03:59, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

My girlfriend doesnt live near me. She is in Iran, and she gave me links to Sanskirt and found Armenian words similar, and tacentral she showed me 216.175.94.233 04:01, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

The Military History Armenia that you reverted was not done by Angine. Cant you read the edit history??? It was by another user read the edit history!. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Rsage This guy put the Urartu image back. He is not someone I know 216.175.94.233 04:05, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

My suggestion to you, dont listen to everything Narek tells you. That was done by Rsage, I didnt put that Urartu image back man! Neither did Angine! 216.175.94.233 04:06, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Rsage did it upon your request, however [5]. Khoikhoi 04:10, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

قيس بن الملوح

why did you delete my edits on Layla and Majnun article this epic is well-known as Arabic tale and the name قيس بن الملوح Qays ibnul mulawwah is clearly Arabic ......or you just want to delete every thing related to Arabic and Arab people as usual .....This is not fair I can delete (vandalize) a lot of other articles but this does not mean I can delete the truth please be fair for the neutrality of Wikipedia...and stop your unacceptable reverting.Aziz1005 22:16, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, you could change the word Arabic into Middleastern, by the way why don’t you apply the same policies to other middleastern articles which is not clear enough whither it was Arabic or Persian like Ziryab , Ibn al-Haitham , Al-Karaji , alkhawarizmi ...or probably because of the strong Iranian presence here Aziz1005 22:41, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

you (some) Iranian or whatever users apply these policies on some articles where that person or epic is clearly Arab like Geber (Jabir bin hayyan AL-AZDI) azd is Arabic tribe (originally) from Yemen and do not apply the same rules on other articles like Alkarkhi or ZiryabAziz1005 22:55, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Ok never mind, I am going now have a nice day (or evening)Aziz1005 23:02, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Why did you revert her edit?

I just want to know whats the problem here? She wants to add Armenian Dance photo. Its not like I have to tell her about that. This is our Culture page, she wants to add Armenian dance.

De facto & de jure

Hi, Khoi. I saw an edit summary of your where you say that something can be de facto without being de jure. Don't you think that's POV though? Not necessarily Greek or anything else, it just annoys be because saying that the "TRNC" or NK or anything else are not de jure states is tantamount to saying they are illegal. I disagree with saying that something is illegal without specifying to whom. The TRNC is not a de jure state in the eyes of the UN, however it is in the eyes of Turkey. I'm not proposing a change or anything, I'm just curious to know what your views are.--Domitius 19:39, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

PS WTF do you have to s-protect your main talkpage for?? ;-) --Domitius 19:39, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

If Im blocked but help the site??

Let's say their is vandalism like people blanking entire pages? Or people putting foolish words like "This page is no good" you know what I mean? There was actually a case like this they blanked out an entire page, and I reverted it , yet I was blocked. So if I do that can you help me just add somethings I want ? I want to add pictures of our Culture, what is the problem? Who should be against any nations culture??? Im doing good by reverting vandal edit people blanking pages etc etc. Patrick7 23:25, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

61.91.191.6

Blocking this IP for more than a few hours at a time is pointless if the rest of the 61.91.191.2 thru 61.91.191.11 range is not also blocked. Suggest the 12 month block on 61.91.191.6 be removed as it's already been in effect for over 10 days. 61.91.191.4 11:15, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

I blocked 61.91.191.6 (talk · contribs) because it appeared to ben an open proxy (it was listed on aliveproxy.com for example). If I am wrong, please correct me. Thanks, Khoikhoi 11:21, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

61.91.191.2 thru 61.91.191.11 are all the same (note that 61.91.191.2 is also listed on your example page). It's pointless to block any of them individually for more than a few hours because anyone with access to one will randomly be assigned access to them all over a short period of time. I'm not suggesting that a 12 month block is not appropriate, but if it is then they should all be blocked for 12 months. If blocking them all for 12 months is not appropriate, then the block on 61.91.191.6 should be removed. 61.91.191.4 11:47, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

But you still haven't answered my question: is the IP an open proxy? Editing from these proxies is currently prohibited in order to prevent abuse. Khoikhoi 20:12, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Request for RfC

Hi Khoikhoi Would you consider asking for a Request for Comment for Kazakhpol? He certainly does not engage in productive editing, constantly reverts NPOV edits to push his POV, name-calls, advances sock-puppetry allegations, etc. etc. in multiple pages with more than a dozen users. There could be more than a few users who would be interested in endorsing it. I, for one, will be more than happy to help create and endorse the dispute. thanks in advance.cs 12:23, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

I'd rather not, as I don't want get into any more conflicts with that user. I'm too busy anyways. Best, Khoikhoi 20:16, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

PKK is a terrorist organization

http://www.cdi.org/terrorism/terrorist-groups.cfm

So is Hezbollah according to some people, but the articles starts off as "Hezbollah[1] (Arabic: حزب الله‎ ḥizbu-llāh,[2] meaning "party of God") is a Shi'a Islamic militia and political organization based in Lebanon." The reason is because of WP:WTA. Khoikhoi 01:36, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

CHILE

The origen of the Chilean population is spaniard, (to see demography of Chile ) the Chile economy does not have a 58% of poverty, is impossible with the entrance per capita and the HDI of Chile. Finally you not exclude please the beautiful images from my country. thanks. Antarcticwik 08:13, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

MY SOURCES

1.- UNIVERSITY OF CHILE [[6]]

2,. THE WORLD VALUES WORLD CHILE 2006 [[7]]

3.- SPAIN GOV. [[8]]

4.- CIA [[9]]

Antarcticwik 10:17, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Why Should I keep it there?

Because that name isn't anything but Elamite, ok? . "Tabriz" is Persian as well but why should we keep it's Azeri variant there? !!! I've no idea? maybe we're khod-nejad-parast-been ! , hey buddy, with such crazy actions we just let them remove us from power more easily, understood? hope so ... faretheewell217.219.229.6 20:39, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Ahwaz has a large Arab population, so we include the Arabic name. Khoikhoi 23:52, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Trying to fix mistakes in article, but being prevented from doing so

I do not appreciate you reverting the corrections that I have been trying to make in reference to the hyperlinks of the dates listed in the Sinhalese article and to correct the mistaken uses of "BCE" and "CE", which do not show up on the pages that I have linked to (the date pages). If anything, Wikipedia should be consistent across articles, and your changes are inhibiting that.

Hi. The current Wikipedia policy is that either BC or BCE is OK, but that the preference of the first major editor should be adhered to. Since that would be Tombseye, who originally wrote the article using BCE and CE, it should not be changed. Regards, Khoikhoi 02:04, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

block review

Hi Khoikoi, could you please review my block here [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tulkolahten] ? Thanks. Tulkolahten

could you please unblock me ? Tulkolahten

thanks, still blocked "Autoblocked because your IP address was recently used by "Tulkolahten". The reason given for Tulkolahten's block is: "3RR violation". " what to do please ? Tulkolahten

STOP THE ATTACK TO CHILE

The origen of the Chilean population is spaniard, (to see demography of Chile ) the Chile economy does not have a 58% of poverty, is impossible with the entrance per capita and the HDI of Chile. Finally you not exclude please the beautiful images from my country. thanks. MY SOURCES:

1.- UNIVERSITY OF CHILE [[10]]

2,. THE WORLD VALUES WORLD CHILE 2006 [[11]]

3.- SPAIN GOV. [[12]]

4.- CIA [[13]]

Antarcticwik 22:35, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks...

Thank you for blocking him... I am sure he'll be back in a few minutes or hours... But, Thanks! Tom70 00:59, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Some quotes regarding to Azeris

Marhaba Khokhoi:

Here are some quotes:

Britannica

Encyclopædia Britannica: (in the article of Republic of Azerbaijan)

“ The population of what is now the republic of Azerbaijan was originally Persian(Iranian) but Turkicuzed by the 9th century… ”

Again Encyclopædia Britannica in the Azerbaijani’s article:

“ are of mixed ethnic origin, the oldest element deriving from the indigenous population of eastern Transcaucasia and possibly from the Medians of northern Persia. ”

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“ This population was Persianized during the period of the Sasanian dynasty of Iran (third to seventh century AD), but, after the region's conquest by the Seljuq Turks in the 11th century, the inhabitants were Turkicized, and further Turkicization of the population occurred in the ensuing centuries. ”

According to Grand Dictionnaire Encyclopedique Larousse (For French speakers Larousse is like Britannica):

“ Azeris are descendants of older Iranophone inhabitants of the Eastern Transcaucasia, turkicized since 11th century. ”

Vladimir F. Minorsky in Encyclopedia of Islam:

“ [as consequence of Oghuz Turkic domination in the Caucasus, beginning the twelfth century] the Iranian population of Ādharbāyjān and the adjacent parts of Transcaucasia became Turkophone while the characteristic features of Ādharbāyjānī Turkish, such as Persian intonations and disregard of the vocalic harmony, reflect the non-Turkish origin of the Turkicised population. ”

Iranica:

“ The Turkish speakers of Azerbaijan are mainly descended from the earlier Iranian speakers, several pockets of whom still exist in the region. A massive migration of Oghuz Turks in the 11th and 12th centuries not only Turkified Azerbaijan but also Anatolia. ... ”

According to World Book:

“ From the 1000’s to the 1200’s. Turkic tribes migrated to the regionby larg numbers and mixed with the Persians who lived there. These people became the ancestors of the Azerbaijanis ”

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So, I think that we need to re-write the beginning sentence. The current sentence is about ethnicity of Azeris not their origins. Please tell me your suggestion. Also, it is mis-leading and a dishonest and a little bias. --regards Behmod

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Please Khokhoi! Do not disappoint me! This was a compromise between us! The last version was written by Tombseye! At least read quotes that I brought for you--behmod talk 22:26, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

You deleted Ordu - History

Why did you delete Ordu history? All you have done is revert and delete any other contributions that people made to Ordu for last 4 months - except your own version. What is your problem? I would love to hear your reason. --Oguz1 15:33, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

I made no mistake. And you deleted History section on purpose. What you put in population section has nothing to with Ordu's population. Not to mention, it's not "well-sourced" when you use an Armenian poet for a source on an Armenian claim. That is not WPlike and you know it. Give up the act. Read the discussion and stop reverting like you own the place. --Oguz1 18:06, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

OK, then we delete Balakian completely, you agree he's biased.

First: What you're claiming of 90 years ago, has nothing to with the population of Ordu today. Why is this in there? Explain this to me where you get this from PLEASE.

Second: I already explained JM Winter as a biased and not a even a source but , here it is again.

He is just the "EDITOR" of the book you cite. This is an "EDITED VOLUME", that's it.

The "book" itself is a collection of chapters from other Armenian writers. Each chapter heading has a subheading naming the original author, in this case Dadrian.

This is from an Armenian webpage: "The three-part book brings together the scholarly works of 12 experts" http://www.armenianow.com/archive/2004/2004/february20/artsdigest/index.htm

An Armenian book appearing some other place is still an Armenian book.

(from his book you cite)

Page "CONTENTS": "The Armenian Genocide: an interpretation 52 VAHAKN N. DADRIAN Part H..."

more...

Page 4:" Vahakn Dadrian then provides an interpretation of the genocide as a cluster of crimes"

Page 52: "an interpretation Vahakn N Dadrian Introduction The Armenian Genocide"

Page 53: "Dadrian, “The Historical and Legal ..."

Page 55: "claim of relocation, see Vahakn N. Dadrian, The History of the Ar,,, "

Page 56: "Dadrian, “The Documentation of the World War I..."

Page 59: "Dadrian, “The Convergent Roles of the Stare and a Governmental Party..."

And from a book review site: "Whether it is Peterson, Balakian, or the authors represented in Jay Winter's edited volume, America and the Armenian Genocide of 1915, I think that all have one or more goals in common. ..."

Lot's more but you get the point and I know you do. --Oguz1 16:16, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks...

for the welcome. Much appreciated. Eden Tate 03:44, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Changes

Hey...why are you removing the changes that I made in these articles?

GDP Nominal GDP Nominal Per Capita GDP PPP GDP PPP Per Capita

Sources

Well...I calculated that by myself, using the IMF data in the page...that means...the source was the IMF...