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Hello & Thanks.

Thanks Kethrus,

Apologies for not leaving a question earlier. I'm a bit new to this Wikipedia editing. I made a few edits years ago and one the other day. I'm still not sure of the protocols, etc.

My issue is that I'm kind of a bit peeved that Wiki Editor Bleaney (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Bleaney has dis-approved or otherwise reversed my edit on a page concerning a School in Leamington Spa.

See: [[1]]

I am a webdesigner and all I did was to link the (previously unlkinked) name of the School to it's new website. The note left by Bleaney simply remarks "Not needed".

Can you help resolve this issue, please? I did think to approach Bleaney directly but I'm afraid I'm not sure how to.

Any assistance would be gratefully received.

Kind rgds,

Chris Xpher (talk) 20:23, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

@Xpher: Instead of linking to the school's website on the list page, I advise you link to the wikipedia article of the school (if it exists). If it doesn't exist, feel free to create it (I advise using the Article Wizard) or request an article be written on the school. --I am Kethrus Talk to me! 23:10, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Re: Champions League article reverts

No worries, I was just reverted myself recently for adding that award to the last Champions League article, so I was familiar with the situation. Cheers. – PeeJay 17:19, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Colegio San Bartolomé

Hi, Kethrus.

Why you reverted my edits? Do you know Spanish orthography? (referring to Colegio San Bartolomé la Merced) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rodriguma (talk • contribs) 18:36, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

@Rodriguma: It would help if you linked me to the revision which I reverted so I could give you a reason. --I am Kethrus Talk to me! 18:38, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
Sorry but, do you revert and you don't know what you reverted and if you are right? And you didn't answer my question. Do you know Spanish orthography? -Rodriguma (talk) 18:47, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
@Rodriguma: That isn't relevant. As it says on my user page I'm not afraid to be wrong. I was going by the page title - as many other Wikipedians would have. Primefac is moving the page shortly to show the correct name. --I am Kethrus Talk to me! 18:50, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
(edit conflict)Rodriguma, please be CIVIL when dealing with other users. Personal attacks are never a good way to proceed. While in this case you were correct that the "La" should have been capitalized, in the future please take any disputed edits to the talk page of the article in question. This way a discussion can be started and a solution found without resorting to name-calling and questioning other's intelligence. If you want more help, stop by the Teahouse, Wikipedia's live help channel, or the help desk to ask someone for assistance. Primefac (talk) 18:53, 12 September 2015 (UTC) (talk page stalker)
Hi.
Kethrus: You confirmed why there are so many mistakes on the Wikipedia, facts and writing: orthography isn’t relevant!, at least for you. Or is it because is a Spanish word about a Third World school? Would you say that it’s irrelevant if somebody writes Harbard or Ocsford?
Somebody finds a mistake or adds something and then arrives another one who reverts to the error or erases the new part. Many times, I and others I talked with, readers did not correct errors because it becomes a time consuming “battle”.
Primefac: I only applied scientific method that Kethrus didn’t do. If somebody changes something I wrote, first I would check if the other one’s modification is correct. If it’s wrong, I would explain why it’s not correct instead to commit the mistake again. And in any case I would not revert to the error a second time.
“please be CIVIL when dealing with other users. Personal attacks are never a good way to proceed”. Is it uncivil to ask why somebody committed an error? I think really uncivil is to revert an edition and not even say hello. You should apply that you say. Personal attack is to say I am not civil because I ask why somebody writes a mistake.
About orthography, I presume you agree it’s irrelevant because you didn’t say a word to Kethrus but did a personal attack to me.
If I employed US manners (I don’t presume or assume you are from that country) where a gallant word is considered harassment, I would say you are discriminatory, harassing, racist, etc. But it only makes me smile… and waste time.
“take any disputed edits to the talk page of the article in question”. Please apply that you say, again. Look at that page. Many times I could see people did not answer those questions, maybe because they did not return to the page, maybe because they didn’t subscribe to it. It’s why I did that I did.
“questioning other's intelligence”. I didn’t do that. I only questioned the knowledge on the subject: Spanish orthography and the school.
“If you want more help, stop by the Teahouse, Wikipedia's live help channel, or the help desk to ask someone for assistance”. Thank you for those directions that may be useful for someone.
A question still is unsolved: Why Kethrus reverted a correct edition?
Finally, please excuse the mistakes I surely committed. I will accept and thank all corrections because I know my English is not good.
Greetings — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rodriguma (talk • contribs)
@Rodriguma: Myself and Primefac discussed this in #wikipedia-en-help connect and made the decision to change the page name by moving it, as you have seen. I hope this is the end of the matter and you only contact me again if you wish to talk about something else, as you will not be responded to. I was going by the page title which I presumed to be correct, as would a lot of people. --I am Kethrus Talk to me! 22:12, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Message from GamingElic

Thankyou so much kethrus . i really dont know sandbox but now i understood what is sand box and thankyou so much — Preceding unsigned comment added by GamingElic (talk • contribs) 13:24, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

@GamingElic: It's my pleasure, feel free to contact me if you need anything and I'll do my best to help. --I am Kethrus Talk to me! 13:27, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
Ya sure @Kethrus — Preceding unsigned comment added by GamingElic (talk • contribs) 13:46, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

About Kim Chang-su(Masahide Kanayama)

[2] He's a real criminal of a continuous oil damage event of temples and shrines. But I can't write about this because he isn't reported by a real name in Japan news yet. It'll do nothing but be on a weekly magazine, and it's put out immediately by a Japanese edition. If English Wikipedia the same, I'll give up.--永続繁栄 (talk) 18:39, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

@永続繁栄: The page was tagged by me under CSD G10 and subsequently removed by an administrator for being an attack page or negative unsourced BLP. As soon as it can be sourced and verified it will be able to be on the English AND Japanese Wikipedia. If you have an issue with the decision made, please contact the admin that removed the page (in this case it was Diannaa). --I am Kethrus Talk to me! 19:36, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

You have new message/s Hello. You have a new message at 54Whisper's talk page.

--54Whisper (talk) 19:49, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

You have new message/s Hello. You have a new message at 54Whisper's talk page.

Legend Film 2015 - The Krays

Hi

I was adding a section about the inaccuracies of the film. Below is what I typed and please note it is backed up by an online review in The Guardian newspaper.

Maureen Flanagan, a close friend of the Kray family was interviewed by The Guardian newspaper about how accurate the portrayal of the twins in the movie was, and although she respected Hardy's performances as being more accurate than the Kemp brothers in the 1990 Kray's film she did question much of the storyline and relationship between the characters. The family of Frances Kray (nee Shea) were not happy with the portrayal of their family member nor were members of the Kray family on the inaccurate relationship between Reggie and Frances. Family members have stated that Reggie was more devoted to Frances than portrayed in the film and it was never known to either family that Reggie was ever physically abusive to her as shown in one scene in the film after a drunken Reggie confronts his wife in a bedroom. The murder scene of Jack "the hat" Mcvitie shows Jack taunting Reggie over the loss of his ex-wife and repeating her name which then triggers Reggie to murder him. There is no account of these words being spoken at all, and former gang members who were present in the room stated that Ronnie was encouraging his brother to finish Mcvitie off. The very final scene shows Reggie walking out of the house along a canal path when in fact he and his brother ordered their gang members to dispose of the body and calmly left together in a car. The ending of the film also shows the Kray's former financial advisor Leslie Payne seated dead in the back of a car, indicating that the twins had ordered his murder. Although in reality Ronnie Kray had tried to plan Payne's murder it never actually happened. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.145.41.254 (talk) 22:52, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

@95.145.41.254: I'm sorry but I really don't know what you need or why you're contacting me about this. --I am Kethrus Talk to me! 22:55, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

Request on 01:00:52, 14 September 2015 for assistance on AfC submission by Wygk


I don't understand why the citations for this article are not sufficient to identify the subject as notable:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:California_Mission_Walkers

It has been documented in the San Diego Union Tribune, the Los Angeles Times, and KPBS, as well as numerous websites relating to the California Missions. Would including these Mission-related websites as secondary sources be sufficient to meet the requirements?

Note that this subject also "connects" well with existing articles on El Camino Real California, Spanish Missions in California, and Camino de Santiago, each of which could reasonably link to the California Mission Walkers.


Wygk (talk) 01:00, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

Wygk, the references you've provided don't really talk about CMW in any detail, they're mostly first-hand accounts of interactions with them. We need sources that talk about the CMW. You need to add at least a couple more independent reliable sources that talk specifically about CMW. If you want more help, stop by the Teahouse, Wikipedia's live help channel, or the help desk to ask someone for assistance. Primefac (talk) 01:15, 14 September 2015 (UTC) (talk page stalker)

Request on 03:11:14, 14 September 2015 for assistance on AfC submission by Jenilya


References

I really don't know what else I need to do here. I have looked at several other game pages here on Wikipedia with literally 1 reference to their game's store page, and 1 reference to their official website and they get approved. What am I doing wrong here? It is extremely frustrating, can you please elaborate what I am doing wrong? I am sorry, I am not trying to sound snide. I just don't understand how other pages are doing the same thing, and getting OK'd, but this submission is declined.

Jenilya (talk) 03:11, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

@Jenilya: The issue isn't the lack of references, it's the lack of notability (the article doesn't say why it is notable). --I am Kethrus Talk to me! 03:16, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
@Kethrus: The reason it was declined is saying the references do not show notability. The reason is very confusing if that is the case, because it specifically says "the references". So what is the issue then? Are the references not showing notability, or is the article not showing notability? Jenilya (talk) 03:51, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
@Jenilya: Both I suppose, if the article doesn't contain anything that suggests it's notable, the references won't either. Adding more references would not hurt. --I am Kethrus Talk to me! 03:53, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
@Jenilya: Update: I've just checked the article again, the sources aren't very good. Half of them are affiliated with Miscreated. There need to be more references independent to Miscreated from verifiable sources. --I am Kethrus Talk to me! 03:57, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
@Kethrus: I have seen game pages with one paragraph and a link to their store page and website, and they are cleared for Wikipedia. I just don't fully understand how notability works, I find it confusing. There is a reference to the game on Steam, their Website, and PCGamer. I don't understand how those are "affiliated" with Miscreated directly. Steam is owned by Valve, and PCGamer is an independent company. Jenilya (talk) 04:02, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
@Jenilya: I'm really new to reviewing. Could you please provide me articles that have been accepted so I can take a look and possibly decide to change my decision? Another concern I have is the fact the article was removed a year ago for having no indication of significance. --I am Kethrus Talk to me! 04:05, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
@Kethrus: I am sorry, I am not trying to give you a hard time. I am doing this at request, and I very new to writing on Wikipedia myself. That previous submission from over a year ago is extremely old, and I am not sure who wrote it. I can understand why it was declined, it had nothing in it. I have changed the article greatly if you compare the versions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jenilya (talk • contribs)

@Jenilya: If this is about the same game (which it appears to be) it might be worth adding that to the article and adding a reference to that, because that gives a little more significance to the article (in my eyes). I'll ask for a second opinion once this is done. --I am Kethrus Talk to me! 04:17, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

@Kethrus: It is. Thank you for the advice, and you patience. I will add that. Jenilya (talk) 04:23, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
@Jenilya: It appears that you've finished that. Would you like to resubmit it or should I resubmit it as yourself? --I am Kethrus Talk to me! 04:44, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
@Kethrus: Thank you very much for your help. I apologize I didn't hit the resubmit button, it's late here and I was sort of dozing. Thank you again for your help. Jenilya (talk) 05:23, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
@Jenilya: I know how you feel, it's 6:25AM here. If you ever need anything feel free to ask. --I am Kethrus Talk to me! 05:25, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

Draft:José Sanfrancisco

I have fixed the citations, so they better reflect the sources, 2 of which are for national newspapers in their respective countries. One you would have to verify through microfiche since it's too old, but that may be doable at the newspaper's HQ (still in print). I looked at the original spanish language wikipedia entry and there are a lot more reference material listed but it's mostly printed books that exist in europe and I have no way to access here in the US, so not sure how I could list or verify those? Thanks for any help... also should I just translate the spanish entry? I figured without having a way to check the referenced data it would not be possible for me to verify and hard for someone else unless they've collected all those books. Thanks again. Pasanf (talk) 04:27, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

@Pasanf: You could translate it, however as it is I'm happy to accept it as it is. You could always put something on the talk page saying the article is originally from the Spanish language Wikipedia and some things could be translated and added to the enwiki article. --I am Kethrus Talk to me! 04:30, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
@Kethrus: Thanks, I'll add the comment on the talk page as you suggest and resubmit then. Maybe I'll translate at some point as well what I think can be reasonably verified or referenced, or let others further expand of course. Pasanf (talk) 04:38, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
 Done --I am Kethrus Talk to me! 05:27, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

Fucking Bastard

you son of a bitch, asshole, motherfucker, go fuck ur mothers cunt, trade ur wife sister — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.203.126.33 (talk • contribs)

Thank you. --I am Kethrus Talk to me! 06:17, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

Draft:About PolicyX.com

Hi,

I have modified the update so many times that now, most of the relevant stuff have been removed from it. Have added links to external references like newspapers, portals etc for providing you the proof that we are notable in terms of company size and structure. What more is required to be added..please be precise. Even another company in the same segment- Policybazaar.com has similar stuff and content. Why did that get approved?Tusharpx (talk) 09:37, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

@Tusharpx: The relevant things did not need to be removed, as they were written like an advertisement it would have needed to be reworded and had sufficient references for the information to stay, I'm not convinced PolicyX.com is notable per the notability guidelines for websites. --I am Kethrus Talk to me! 13:45, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Regarding Draft:James A. Storer

Hi

Thanks for informing about the Notability of Academics. I studied that page and realized I should have added information pertinent to notability in academia. Therefore, I have added the information about James Storer being Department Chair (Notability criteria number 5) and also he being the Chair of the highest impact factor conference in Data Compression from 1991 to 2012, and Co-chair from 2013 to present, this is notability criteria number 8. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(academics)#Criteria

Let me know, what other changes I can make to make sure his notability is verifiable.

I should also like to point regarding him being the inventor of first Lunar Landar game, I have included many sources, articles, periodicals which cite the same. Also Wikipedia's page on Lunar Lander video game series (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Lander_(video_game_series), already mentions his name (see section Lundar Lander (1969) "Lunar was originally written in the FOCAL programming language for the Digital Equipment Corporation (DEC) PDP-8 computer by Jim Storer while a student at Lexington High School (Massachusetts) in the fall of 1969", but I have not cited wikipedia as source but cited the original sources that were cited in that Wikipedia article.

Thank you for your effort and time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iamaaditya (talk • contribs) 23:57, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

@Iamaaditya: When I reviewed the article, a lot of the sources only included trivial mentions (read). Although he did originally create the Lunar Lander game, I'm not sure that makes him notable just because the game is notable. I'm going to leave the decision to another reviewer as I'm relatively new to reviewing (most of my other work has been anti-vandalism) and I am not entirely sure what decision should be made. --I am Kethrus Talk to me! 13:43, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

06:18:18, 15 September 2015 review of submission by Coy Tinker


Coy Tinker (talk) 06:18, 15 September 2015 (UTC)Dear Sir/Madam, I am fully aware that the Wikipedia verifiability policy requires inline citations for quotations. Please note that, the contents for this article are supported by a single source, which is product’s official website. For this article I have found all the information form the product’s official website. I have modified and drafted all the details from neutral point of view. I assure you that the source is reliable for viewers to verify and to find additional information I have already listed the source in general reference section and marked the source title. Please help me to review this article and check if I have used the citations in right order. Thanks very much.Coy Tinker (talk) 06:18, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Coy Tinker (talk) 06:18, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

@Coy Tinker:I recommend you use the article wizard and go through everything it says. One source with the official website is not enough to establish the notability of the subject. --I am Kethrus Talk to me! 13:34, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

regarding decline of article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Saralweb

I am a bit puzzled on what constitutes notable citations.

The press releases cited are from the beta release of the product a few years ago, would a newer one help ? Or do you need to see something specifically about the design approach of the product and its academic/industry relevance ? An example of what kind of citation would make this article more "notable" will help a lot.

thx - kavi Kavi.saralweb (talk) 23:00, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

@Kavi.saralweb: Press releases do not make a subject notable. Please see the golden rule(s). There also appears to be a conflict of interest as you appear to be affiliated with Saralweb, if you are being paid by Saralweb it needs to be stated on your user page, see the policy on Paid-contribution disclosure. --I am Kethrus Talk to me! 23:08, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
@Kethrus: yes of course, I am the ceo of netgables, the company that produces the product. I will be happy to mention that in my user page.
I did read the golden rules, and as I understand the distinction : "press release" is something we put out to the press (sponsored, such as PR Newswire, etc.), and "press coverage" would be independent coverage by the press of the product. Correct ?

thx for your patience, learning wikipedia.
Kavi.saralweb (talk) 23:24, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
@Kavi.saralweb: That is correct. --I am Kethrus Talk to me! 23:27, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
ok thx, i will resubmit once i have more to add. Can I keep this article in Draft state ? Or do I have to delete it and re-create when I have more to add under citations ? --Kavi.saralweb (talk) 23:40, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
@Kavi.saralweb: drafts that haven't been edited in 6 months will be deleted. I recommend you wait until someone else who is unaffiliated with you or the company writes the article so there isn't a COI. Please note there can be unintended consequences to making an article on Wikipedia (see here). 23:50, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Kramer Levin Naftalis & Frankel

Just a quick note to let you know I responded to your comment over at Talk:Kramer Levin Naftalis & Frankel. I look forward to your input. Thanks. NinaSpezz (talk) 12:50, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

 Done --I am Kethrus Talk to me! 15:14, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

About Razed To The Ground

With all due respect, and I really do mean that, Facebook is the main source of information for bands like this. The band's record label- a very well established label- hasn't even updated their page in some time. However, they do take to Facebook to update fans on news. Speaking purely on the basis of a fan of all music, this is now the normal way of things for bands in certain genres. Just a couple of weeks ago another band I like announced the very unexpected broadcast of a new song they had not yet told anyone about. And they did it through a Facebook post. And really, that was it. I think it took over a week for it to be reported off of Facebook. And, like the band in my submission, the band's label only issued statements on Facebook.

I hope you see what I'm trying to say. If I were writing an article about- I'm just pulling something totally hypothetical- a new model of car Ford has announced, it would be very easy for me to just link to their website and any websites that may be partners of Ford and so on. It would be ridiculous of me to use Facebook as an anchor source. But this is a smaller genre of music, and the fans are very loyal, and, as one of those fans, I was just hoping to add more information for anyone out to see something new. The other sites I got information from and cited were sites which are more well known to those that listen to this spectrum of music. I also would like to note that the one with the track listings and album art is the website the band opted to give the information to, as did the record label. I'm not sure if that site was read, but that part is mentioned throughout the article and at the bottom of the page. There are also direct quotes from the band members to that article. So again, I hope I'm getting my point across about this. I did take the Facebook post away, but I do still think it is pertinent. At least for now, because I am not too sure how much more we are going to get until possibly after the release of the album.

And one last thing- I genuinely hope that this entry is being taken as an entry worthy of spreading, because there really are a good amount of people out there who can, and will, appreciate it. It always makes me happy when I can type in the name of whatever band or album and it comes up, because it didn't used to be like that. Bands like this or bands with small, but loyal followings, lightly distributed albums, or just anything along those lines- it would be deleted almost instantly. And it does breed a bit of contempt. I have nothing but the utmost respect for Wikipedia and its mission, but I do think it can sometimes be a little narrow minded in what its collective majority sees as being worthy of notation. I know that I feel that if something exists and is part of culture on a socially or historically relevant scale, no matter the size, it deserves to be included into such a vast collection of knowledge such a Wikipedia. The more knowledge, the better. And as long as there is honesty and conviction behind the submission, I feel like it should be given a chance. People use Wikipedia to enrich themselves with knowledge of all sorts, and even the smallest piece of information can spark a whole new interest, hobby, obsession, etc. And I say THAT... because it has happened to me quite a few times on Wikipedia. From very small entries.

I appreciate your time! Thanks again! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Digitalcomplex (talk • contribs) 23:59, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

@Digitalcomplex: I'm not sure what article or draft you're referring to. "Razed To The Ground" didn't bring anything up when searching for it in the draft namespace and the article namespace. --I am Kethrus Talk to me! 00:02, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
@Kethrus: You're the one that declined its submission. I'm not sure what I should say... it's a page I made as my first submission for review. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Digitalcomplex (talk • contribs)
@Digitalcomplex: I'm aware I declined it, I was able to find it in your userspace. It would probably be best if it was moved to the draft namespace. Anyway - I've had a look at the relevant policy of facebook links as references, and have come to the conclusion that I was wrong in declining it, as it can be used as a source SOMETIMES. If you resubmit it with the facebook link as a source I'd be happy to accept it as it appears to be all in order. Also, please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by using four tildes ( ~~~~ ) at the end of your comment or with the cursor positioned at the end of your comment, click on the signature button ( or ) located above the edit window. --I am Kethrus Talk to me! 00:08, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Thank you very much for hearing me out. I feel you were fair and open to what I was saying, and I do appreciate that. Please do know that as time goes on, I'll be adding new sources and, when the time comes, removing the Facebook post as a main post. I'd rather have it from the label's website, but, like I said, they haven't updated their news section in a while. Since July, actually. But they're very active on Facebook. So I'll add the label's official release on its own site whenever they get around to it. I think they add information in large batches at a time. Anyway, like I said, I do want things to look cleaner and well sourced. So the help has been great and thanks for all the new information! Digitalcomplex (talk) 00:42, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

  • I reverted the article to a redirect since it didn't pass WP:NALBUM at this point in time. The problem with the sourcing in this case is that it appeared to be entirely WP:PRIMARY. Primary sources are anything that is released by people involved with the band. The band's Facebook page would be seen as a primary source and it can back up claims that the album will release, but it cannot show notability - which is ultimately what needs to be proven here. They can show that the album exists in some form or fashion (albeit unreleased), but existence does not mean that something is notable. The other sources were both press releases, one of which is clearly marked as such. Press releases are also seen as primary sources since they were written by the band's PR department in order to promote the album, and as such they're considered to be primary regardless of where they're posted. As far as using Facebook as a source goes, it can be used sometimes, but it's not usable as a source to show notability. At best it can be used to back up minor details such as someone claiming something on their Facebook page (like a celebrity announcing a pregnancy), but typically this should only be added if the Facebook post itself has been covered repeatedly in reliable sources like news outlets. If the content of the post wasn't covered anywhere, odds are high that the content isn't relevant enough for Wikipedia's purposes. Basically, per WP:FACEBOOK it can only be used as a primary, self-published source. You were right to decline it the first time. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 06:50, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
  • I also note that you accepted Miscreated without any true RS that could show notability and I've moved the article back to AfC. I could have nominated it for deletion via AfD, but moving it back to AfC would give it more of a chance of survival in the future - especially since it's very difficult for an article to get restored/recreated in the future if it's been through AfD. I've given a rundown of the sourcing on the article's talk page. I'm basically fairly concerned that you're accepting articles from AfC because I don't think that you are really familiar enough with the guidelines for reliable sources and notability just yet. I do think that you're otherwise a good editor with a lot of potential, but I think that you're just a bit too green at this point in time. Instead of AfC (which is a lot of responsibility even for more experienced editors), it would be better for you to work on some of the pre-existing articles, since that would give you a bit more of an overview on these guidelines. You might also want to look into going through WP:TRAINING or WP:ADVENTURE, both of which give an overview of Wikipedia policies. You might also want to look into seeking a mentor via the WP:COOP, a training initiative that was started by I JethroBT. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 07:44, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Draft User:MondeR/sandbox Rejected

Hello Kethrus - My article for Ramona Sakiestewa was rejected! I had really thought I had understood all the guidelines for an article on her. Is there any specific portion or segment of the article that's keeping it from being approved? I appreciate your sharing your critique and any clarification on what I am missing. Thanks Tons. Robin : MondeR — Preceding unsigned comment added by MondeR (talk • contribs)

@MondeR: Please can you link the article? I can't find an article called Ramona Sakiestewa. If you link me the revision I'd be happy to tell you why it was rejected. --I am Kethrus Talk to me! 03:45, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
@MondeR: It appears I was confused about the rejection of your draft, I thought it was a pending change that I rejected. As for the article draft, it was rejected because it did not cite any sources at all, so I was unable to establish notability. --I am Kethrus Talk to me! 03:47, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
@Kethrus: The piece is at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MondeR/sandbox.
I put it in the sandbox so then requested a review so I can get it approved prior to going live. I included a citation with the block quote - it appears as a footnote in the Reference section. Thanks - Robin — Preceding unsigned comment added by MondeR (talk • contribs) 04:04, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
@MondeR: I've moved it to the draft space. Instead of adding lots of external links, consider adding inline citations. As I see there is only one citation which isn't enough for the article to be accepted. --I am Kethrus Talk to me! 04:13, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Kethrus! The Draft space is definitely easier to edit within. I went ahead and made a number of inline citations using the publication sources. I then removed said sources from the Further Reading section. I think it should be in pretty good shape. Please let me know if there are any other segments that need refinement. I appreciate your help! - MondeR - Robin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Ramona_Sakiestewa

can you help me, sorry for bother

@Kethrus: Apologies sir, but there seems to be more activity on my wikipedia entry from the same people who were editing it before, negatively, along with the account of my wife melissa chiu. i have added 2 requests to the talk page for benjamin Genocchio for editors to review what i believe are factual errors that have been inserted into the entry over the last 48 hours. They are continuing to edit the entry but i am staying out of it lest i be accused again of a conflict-- this is what they used, over my wife's account, to block me before. i really don't know why my tiny entry and that of my wife have become the subject of such fascination for these two editors. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bgenocchio (talk • contribs)

@Bgenocchio: I'd rather not get involved in such a dispute, if you feel the need you might want to bring it up with an administrator at WP:ANI - please only do this if you've tried to come to a resolution with those editors before. --I am Kethrus Talk to me! 08:19, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

d'oh!

Thank you for the reminder! Much appreciated :) Lirazelf (talk) 13:42, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

@Lirazelf: No problem at all. --  Kethrus |talk to me  14:50, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

Helping Me with My Draft Article

You have new message/s Hello. You have a new message at Steven Rich in Panama's talk page.

Dear Kethrus,

I left you a message on my Help Me after I followed your good advice and made changes to my Lead section in my Draft. I just want you to revisit to see my changes and make more suggestions. Thanks. Steven Rich in Panama (talk) 14:41, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

checkY I've replied! --  Kethrus |talk to me  14:40, 19 September 2015 (UTC)


Dear Kethrus,
Thanks you for the advice and looking at the Lead. As for Notability and using reliable sources, Grayfell helped me with those and he deleted a lot of citations which were not notable or independent sources. What I can't figure out is How do I Move the Article out of the Draft stage into Publication? Can you explain the steps I need to do to get this article published or show me a link where I can go to get it published? Thanks. -Steven Rich in Panama (talk) 17:08, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
@Steven Rich in Panama: To submit it, add {{subst:submit}} to the top of the page and a reviewer will review it, and either accept it or suggest improvements. --  Kethrus |talk to me  17:18, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

You have a message!

You have new message/s Hello. You have a new message at ggiacos's talk page.

@Ggiacos: You didn't leave me a message. --  Kethrus |talk to me  23:59, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
Just wrote in the Talk page, not sure how to leave a message specifically?— Preceding unsigned comment added by ggiacos (talk • contribs)
@Ggiacos: Please dont remove messages from my talk page, even if you're involved with the conversation, it makes it harder for me and everyone else to understand what is going on. From what I can see your talk page has no content, if you want to leave me a message you can add {{ping|Kethrus}} to your talk page, and follow it with a message. Also, please remember to sign your posts with ~~~~ --  Kethrus |talk to me  14:36, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

Hi :)

Hello Kethrus, my nomination was in good faith, do not take it otherwise. I am aware of WP:VALIDALT but I felt somebody is trying to impersonate you, so I took precautionary step. However, thank you for the confirmation. Regards. Hitro talk 21:28, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

@HitroMilanese: No worries. I created the account because I don't like logging into other computers while out for security reasons. --  Kethrus |talk to me  21:30, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
HitroMilanese, thank you for the report. Kethrus, thank you for the confirmation. These reports are always welcome. -- zzuuzz (talk) 21:31, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

Mudar Zahran

Hi. I have protected Mudar Zahran for 1 week, due to concerns about potential WP:BLP violations. You will be aware that the inclusion of various pieces of potentially libelous (albeit sourced) information has been included and reverted over the past few days, and that concerns have been raised about the reliability of those sources. I am hoping that all involved parties could try to reach agreement on the sources while the page is protected via discussion of the article's talk page. I am posting this message on the talk page of all editors that appear to have been involved in adding or reverting the information. TigerShark (talk) 23:30, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Noted, I think I may have reverted a few edits on that article. Other than that I've had no involvement as far as I remember. --  Kethrus |talk to me  16:45, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

14:39:44, 21 September 2015 review of submission by Beverlz


Can quoting from obituaries and other articles in newspapers be accepted? Not sure if I can find an obituary for 1959. I only have the newspaper articles. I know of no other way to substantiate the information. I do have shipping records that show when he immigrated to US. I have his marriage certificate. I have copy of where his grave is. Are those the kind of things that will accepted? Beverlz (talk) 14:39, 21 September 2015 (UTC)Beverlz

@Beverlz: There are no references at all, and it appears to be written like an essay. And I don't believe text in an obituary may adhere to a neutral point of view, so quoting it may be a bad idea, and I'm also not sure if that would be copyvio. --  Kethrus |talk to me  16:40, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

R. Baxter Miller

Yes, THE subject edited the page that was established by SOMEONE ELSE. By objective accounts, R. Baxter Miller is one of the leading African American critics of the late 20th and early twenty-first centuries. See BLACK SOUTHERN VOICES (1992) OR simply Google the scores of web pages that document the importance of his scholarship. The author Raoullah (sp?) is a libelous graduate student with a vendetta. Rather than discrediting a well-respected scholar, he dishonors himself.

It's libelous incompetence, and, you know, it's really sad.

Ron Miller — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.90.217.22 (talk) 14:58, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

@71.90.217.22: I'm really not sure what you're asking or wanting, at all. --  Kethrus |talk to me  16:43, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Global Cycling Network

Hello Kethrus. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Global Cycling Network, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: There is a credible claim of notability on this page. Whether or not this actually meets WP:GNG is not in the domain of A7. If you do not believe that this is a sufficient claim of notability, take it to WP:AFD. A7 does not mean "not notable" - it means "no claim of notability was made". That is clearly not true here. Thank you. Shirik (Questions or Comments?) 20:49, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Help

Hello Kethrus!

I am currently writing an article for my client Spark and am having a hard time finding reliable sources because most sources are not based off any database or "reliable" website. Any help?

Best regards! — Preceding unsigned comment added by SparkOfficial (talk • contribs) 02:55, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

@SparkOfficial: Quoted from WP:42: We need sources that are independent. Not: articles written by the topic, paid for by the topic, their website, or press releases. We want readers to be able to verify that Wikipedia articles are not just made up. So, please add footnotes to your article. If independent sources are not available - Spark is unfortunately not eligible for a Wikipedia article. Taking a look at WP:42 will explain this to you. Sorry! --  Kethrus |talk to me  03:00, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

Hi,

I have been through the submission process a number of times. I have asked for help and different editors have told me different things, and one even helped make some changes before the draft was rejected.

What specifically do I need to change in order for the draft to be accepted?

Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.79.8.126 (talk) 16:44, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

@67.79.8.126: I rejected it due to the lack of references. Both the references appear to be interviews and aren't entirely independent. --  Kethrus |talk to me  17:17, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to The Wikipedia Adventure!

Hi Kethrus! We're so happy you wanted to play to learn, as a friendly and fun way to get into our community and mission. I think these links might be helpful to you as you get started.

-- 23:29, Wednesday, September 23, 2015 (UTC)

Mission 1 Mission 2 Mission 3 Mission 4 Mission 5 Mission 6 Mission 7
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Raine seville

You reverted in this edit with no edit summary. That edit removed references. Could you please explain? Many thanks. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:59, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

@Anna Frodesiak: I reverted that edit because the link that was changed didn't exist. Please note I was not assuming bad faith (hence the no edit summary/warning). --  Kethrus |talk to me  01:02, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
I understand. If you are referring to the Kingston link, then it is best to examine it and decide what to do with it. Being a redlink doesn't mean removing it. It could mean an article yet to be created, and that is okay. In this case, it was a space needed after the comma to make it blue. Also, your revert removed references. Finally, and edit summary either way is a good idea. Best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:09, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
@Anna Frodesiak: I didn't notice that, thank you for bringing it to my attention. --  Kethrus |talk to me  01:11, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
No worries at all, my friend. Happy editing. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:13, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

In future, please really, really, really try to inspect your edits and use edit summaries. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:16, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

@Anna Frodesiak: I checked that page and I was under the impression I was correct in doing that. At least that's what I got from the article saying AM as in After Malik. --  Kethrus |talk to me  01:18, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
Hmm, seems I was wrong - I wasn't aware there was previous vandalism on that page which affected my editing. My mistake, sorry. --  Kethrus |talk to me  01:22, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
No worries again. :) An edit summary like "under the impression that the article is saying AM as in After Malik" helps others know of your intention. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:24, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

reliable source other than companies own website

Dear Kethrus, thanks for the help. I have read the article on valid references and now I am aware of it now. Please note for the product in my article is the first release of the company so that I can’t find any references other to their official web. So here how can I prove the company's website as a reliable source to show the notability? Coy Tinker (talk) 08:16, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

@Coy Tinker: If that is the case it would appear they're not notable per WP:GNG, therefore cannot have an article. It would be helpful if you linked the article and read the top of my talk page, as I cannot give you a better response. --  Kethrus |talk to me  19:46, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

15:57:35, 24 September 2015 review of submission by 67.79.8.126


Oh ok, so the references are not suitable. If I remove them completely, will I be able to get the draft accepted? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.79.8.126 (talk • contribs)

@67.79.8.126: No, more references are needed. --  Kethrus |talk to me  19:44, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

Void Linux

I fixed the cut and paste move. I did not undelete the revision with your speedy deletion tagging after the move, but I think it is no longer necessary. Best wishes, —Kusma (t·c) 16:08, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

Need to reinstate lost Wikipedia page "WISE 0535-7500".

This Wikipedia page used to exist, but was replaced by a redirect. I need to cancel the redirect and bring the original page back so that I can edit it. But I can't find the original page, all I can find is a translation of an earlier version of the original page into Chinese. https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WISE_0535-7500 The Chinese version is lacking at least one line of text that used to be in the English version.

The lost English version may be hidden under a synonym, possibly "WISE J053516.80-750024.9" or "WISE J0535-7500".

Please help with finding (or reconstructing by back-translation) the original English version of the this webpage. Mollwollfumble (talk) 01:31, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

It appears this article was moved because it didn't meet Wikipedia:Notability (astronomical objects). I suggest creating a draft and submitting it for review if you believe it now meets the notability guideline. --  Kethrus |talk to me 
I suspected as much. But this astronomical object has a parallax of 250, meaning that is exceedingly near, and new research gives its distance as 13.0 light years, which puts it slap bang in the middle of "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nearest_stars_and_brown_dwarfs", at position 31 unless other objects have wrong distances in that list. Every one of the astronomical objects on the List_of_nearest_stars_and_brown_dwarfs has its own Wikipedia article. It is also closer than at least eight other brown dwarfs that do each have Wikipedia articles of their own. In fact it's the only one of Marsh (2012)'s 11 Y and T dwarfs that doesn't have it's own Wikipedia article. Even worse, the link to this Brown Dwarf from the page to which it's redirected directs back to its redirection, giving a closed loop. The "WISE 0535-7500" Wikipedia page should never have been removed in the first place. I do not wish to create a new article from scratch where 90% of it ought to already exist in some archive. I do not wish to "submit it for review". I wish to edit it. Please bring it back immediately, or at least let me know that it has been permanently destroyed, in which case I will start from the Chinese translation. Mollwollfumble (talk) 09:16, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
@Mollwollfumble: Are you looking for this? —Kusma (t·c) 12:43, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
The most recent version. Headbomb found it. [3] Mollwollfumble (talk) 05:35, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

15:21:48, 25 September 2015 review of submission by 67.79.8.126

@67.79.8.126: No message has been left. --  Kethrus |talk to me  17:00, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

17:47:47, 25 September 2015 review of submission by Zoziac


if i add the following references as citations for the first line "James Kenji Lopez-Alt, know as Kenji, (born October 31, 1979) is an American chef and food writer." would that suffice? http://www.foodandwine.com/articles/40-big-food-thinkers-under-40-kenji-lopez-alt http://www.grubstreet.com/2015/09/kenji-lopez-alt-grub-street-diet.html http://www.seattletimes.com/life/food-drink/the-food-lab-a-must-have-for-at-home-cooks-books-for-cooks/

I guess I'm struggling with which sources to include and how to include them. Also it would help me if you think this is a process issue (as in we need the proper documentation) or a conceptual one (i.e. you really DO NOT think that this person is notable enough to warrant their own wikipedia page)

checkYDiscussed in #wikipedia-en-help connect (Conclusion: Non-notable person) --  Kethrus |talk to me  18:24, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

Draft:National Benefit Authority (NBA)

Hi i appreciate you stopping by and fixing up my draft. I have my conversation about this page with a different reviewer here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Onel5969#National_Benefit_Authority_Page , it looks like he is busy as i didn't hear back from him in the past 2 days. Would you be able to approve it? Ntb613 (talk) 19:49, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

@Ntb613: Are you referring to Draft:National Benefit Authority (NBA)? --  Kethrus |talk to me  19:51, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
@Kethrus: - Yes. :) Ntb613 (talk) 19:52, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
@Ntb613: Please wait for Onel5969 to respond or review it, or for another reviewer. Thank you for your patience. --  Kethrus |talk to me  19:54, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

Request on 00:26:25, 25 September 2015 for assistance on AfC submission by Yoku shaw taylor


REFERENCES FOR THE PAPER The article has 16 REFERENCES, all of which are RELIABLE and VERIABLE - they are books, journals, reports and General History Volumes. This paper was well-researched

Yoku shaw taylor (talk) 00:26, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

@Yoku shaw taylor: It's improperly referenced. The references are external links, not inline citations. Please see Referencing for beginners, using a gadget like Proveit will help you do this. Please note no wiki is a valid reference, not even wikipedia (see WP:WPNOTRS). There are also multiple formatting issues with the article which will prevent it from being approved (see WP:MOS). --  Kethrus |talk to me  00:29, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

Request on 12:01:57, 25 September 2015 for assistance on AfC submission by Yoku shaw taylor

REVISIONS

I have taken out all the external links in the paper -they are not needed. There were there because I didn't want to create an "orphan" article. The paper is appropriately referenced now - if you look at the REFERENCES list.

Please let me know that you have seen the changes and are reviewing the paper as needed.

I have not received any feedback for 12 hours now.

Thanks,

Yoku shaw taylor (talk) 12:01, 25 September 2015 (UTC)


@Yoku shaw taylor: An orphan is when no other wikipedia articles link to it, no external links within the articles would change that, and the page was still a dead end, because it needs wikilinks, not external links. You haven't made any improvements on the article, you've just blanked it. There's nothing more I can do to help you at this point. Also, it is not mandatory that I help you within a certain time, or even help you at all for that matter, I'm doing this of my own free will and I don't see why I should be online checking my talk page when I have other things I need to do. Thank you for your understanding.
--  Kethrus |talk to me  16:58, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

Request on 13:30:19, 25 September 2015 for assistance on AfC submission by Yoku shaw taylor


UPDATES


Please let me know the status of my submission. Please note that the article is appropriately and verifiably REFERENCED - changes were made September 24.

I am awaiting your response.

Thanks,

Yoku shaw taylor (talk) 13:30, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

@Yoku shaw taylor: It would appear no changes have been made except you blanking the page. --  Kethrus |talk to me  16:54, 25 September 2015 (UTC)


Request on 20:05:22, 25 September 2015 for assistance on AfC submission by Yoku shaw taylor


I don't need assistance!


This must be some kind of bloated status that you have.

I took out all the internet references.

I have a verifiable reference list containing 16 citations of books, articles and papers. I have reloaded the paper.

You insist all I did was spam-like blank out references. This is simply false!!

I posted the wiki entry Kurankyi Taylor many years ago and it was later edited by his grandson.

This posting on James Eggay Taylor uses some of the same sources.

But, from your bloated high horse, you must think my effort not worthy of your time that you have volunteered.

If you took the time to review carefully, you will discover that you have blinders on.

Good for you!!

Yoku shaw taylor (talk) 20:05, 25 September 2015 (UTC)


Yoku shaw taylor (talk) 20:05, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

@Yoku shaw taylor: I didn't accuse you of anything of the sort. If you're going to be rude please do not post on my talk page again. --  Kethrus |talk to me  20:08, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

KRCB-FM

Just wanted to make you aware of the changes that were made to the KRCB-FM article, which I listed on the AfD page. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 01:21, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

Glad I was able to help with that article. If you see another radio station article in a similar state, please let me know and I will give it a proper once-over. Thanks...Neutralhomer • Talk • 02:26, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
@Neutralhomer: Will do, thank you for your contributions. Glad you were able to sort it out. --  Kethrus |talk to me  02:28, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

New Message

Hi Kethrus, It is so good that you gave me the time of day. I have been on this site for a number of years and understand its philosophy. Yes, not a `soapbox' especially for political reasons. However, some of us would like to offer interesting items for posterity because life is changing so fast with a whole boom of modern technology that happenings in past years now seem quaint! Thus, I feel that whatever I add to this notion as a ninety year old could be of some historical interest! Kay Lipton 110.23.51.242 (talk) 00:08, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

@110.23.51.242: When messaging me, please make a new section on my talk page and read the relevant notices at the top, as I have no idea what you're referring to. --  Kethrus |talk to me  00:10, 27 September 2015 (UTC)


KTWH-LP

I remove these spaces because it looks kinda messy on the page. Having them removed looks neater for the reader and for the editor. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 02:13, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for notifying me, I'll make sure I skip it on AWB next time I see it. --  Kethrus |talk to me  02:14, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
You're Welcome and Thanks! :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • 02:21, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Disambig cleanup

Please stop - you are spamming the Stiki queue, which is becoming unusable (I'll explain in a moment). Materialscientist (talk) 03:44, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Hmm, alright. --  Kethrus |talk to me  03:45, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
There are two issues: first, your cleanup edits are getting into the Cluebot+Stiki queue - this is not your fault, but it affects every user of WP:Stiki. The second is this: such edits should not be saved with AWB per AWB rules of use #3 and 4. This is serious given your recent (high) activity. Materialscientist (talk) 03:50, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
@Materialscientist: Hmm, alright. Wasn't aware of this. Also wasn't are of rule #4. Thanks for notifying me. --  Kethrus |talk to me  03:53, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
Looked into it. I thought such edits as displayed in the diff you linked were automatically skipped under "only whitespace is changed" (which is checked automatically by the application, I have not unchecked it). --  Kethrus |talk to me  05:46, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for finding the skip option, please think a bit more about it, as you've made a number of such edits too [4]. "Only whitespace is changed" is just one, extreme example of edits that should be skipped when using AWB. Materialscientist (talk) 05:59, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
I wasn't aware the diff you just linked was violating any policy either (at the time the edit was made - as I've seen other AWB users do exactly the same on multiple occasions), I'm also not sure how any controversial edits have been made (Rule 3), but I think it's best I leave it at this and stick to typo fixing. If I make any further mistakes, feel free to contact me. (P.S: I'm not sure if the thanks for finding the skip option was supposed to come across as rude, so I've ignored that part of your message) --  Kethrus |talk to me  06:08, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
No slight intended - not saving (skipping) insignificant edits is the most important thing to know when using AWB. One can produce a large number of insignificant edits in a short time by loading a large directory into AWB, which may spam some logs (such as the Stiki queue I mentioned) and cover previous, unreviewed edits. Happy editing. Materialscientist (talk) 06:22, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for bringing this up @Materialscientist:. I came by to mention the same. older ≠ wiser 16:40, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Draft:D.R.E.S tha BEATnik

HEllo,Thank you for taking the time to review my submission. I am sure you can see I am new to the submission process. I do believe in the submission and I would like to continue to work with you to get it included. I hope you will assist me in this matter.

50.24.183.89 (talk) 06:42, 28 September 2015 (UTC) 9/28/15

@50.24.183.89: The addition of independent references from news sources and/or magazines will be needed. IMDb is not a valid source, either. See the golden rule, Reliable source examples, Wikipedia:Notability (music), and Wikipedia:Citing IMDb --  Kethrus |talk to me  06:47, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
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