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County edits and sources

I appreciate your determination to improve articles for counties nationwide. Please understand that some of the changes you have made to articles have removed specific sources that provide direct support for population and other data in many of these articles. The link you provided for decennial census data is merely a starting point, requiring a reader to search through a different source for each year to find the needed information. As already done for most articles for counties in New Jersey, this source (with sample link to New Jersey data) from the Census Bureau's Population of states and counties of the United States: 1790 to 1990 from the Twenty-one Decennial Censuses provides an easy to read, easy to use tabular format of most historic census data. This source for New Jersey (and corresponding documents for each state) provide data for 1970-2010. Please take the time to review the sources available and to use these and other available documents to provide more effective references to readers of these articles. Please feel free to reach out to me on my talk page if I can help in any way. Alansohn (talk) 04:33, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi, Thanks for contacting me. I changed the references mostly because I don't see the need for five or six different references for the population numbers, especially since most of them are redundant. When I started updating populations, I was using the University of Virginia website, because it does have nice tables, but someone else changed them to the general census website I use now. I think it is nice to have one consolidated link for all dates. Maybe some people find it too cumbersome, but I don't think it is altogether inappropriate.

On a different note, the geography reference used in the New Jersey articles ([1]) is no longer good. Although it's impossible to access right now, this should be the corresponding table for New Jersey. But I find {{GR|1}} just as useful (unless you don't like the extra navigation.) Thanks. Kennethaw88 (talk) 00:55, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

I guess it is a consolidated link, but the problem is that the link you're using as a source, is not a source; it's a gateway to twenty-plus different sources, each of which needs to be loaded and searched page by page to find the necessary data. It may not be inappropriate, but it's more of a finger-waving exercise than an actual destination. This source provides all of the data for 1790-1990 and one more source can provide the 2000 and 2010 data, each with direct access to the data in a tabular format. This archived version of the Gaz_counties_national.txt file has all data for all counties across the US, but I guess a state-specific file would have its advantages. For whatever purpose, two references that provide the precise data needed will always be a better choice than one link that doesn't. Alansohn (talk) 01:38, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

I appreciate your hard work on updating the Virginia locality population citations. Several years ago there was a discussion with the admin about using the University of Virginia website for Virginia population estimates:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive669#Need_Admin_Opinions . In addition to the data being more accessible on the UVa website, since UVa is part of the Federal State Cooperative for Population Estimates the locality estimates are available on the UVa site several months before they are on the Census site. Also, I haven't seen a format explanation on this, but wouldn't it make sense to have the most recent population figure at the top of locality pages rather than the almost 4 year old census number? Thanks again --Hamiltonl (talk) 19:19, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

I did look at the Cooper Center website before I changed the citations, and I noticed that the population estimates are different than the Census Bureau estimates (although the April 2010 numbers are the same). So I would have to disagree with the previous discussion, because unlike what was discussed, it's not just a restatement of the census source. In this case I think it is more appropriate to use Census Bureau numbers. As far as accessibility, I thought that linking to each municipality's QuickFacts page (here for example) is easy enough to view the official census and most recent estimate numbers. For which population to use in the intro, I'm a bit torn. While the 2010 numbers are less recent, they are the official numbers, as opposed to the yearly estimates, which I think should take less priority. I remember in 2010 several populations being significantly changed from the 2008, 2009 estimates. But I'm not really too stuck on this preference, as long as it is clear the yearly estimates are just that - estimates. Thanks. Kennethaw88 (talk) 19:45, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Linking to the census page for each county using the FIPS code is a great way to go, the link should remain stable. I think when you get further out from the decennial census count you run into accuracy issues with estimates, but the estimates are certainly more accurate than an outdated count. Aside from electoral uses, estimates are typically the official number for government use when they are more recent than the decennial census. In Virginia's case the Cooper Center estimates are slightly different because the census formula doesn't deal well with the Independent Cities' boundaries, it also has a problem with Alaska's boroughs. As a result, the Census gives both states grants to produce the official estimates found on Cooper Center website. The Cooper Center numbers are also used by governments because they are more accurate: http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+coh+15.2-4202+700703 . Unless Wikipedia only uses population counts, I think the focus should be on using official estimates in non decennial years. Thanks Hamiltonl (talk) 20:11, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

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I closed Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2014_April_9#Arizona.2FNew_Mexico_Territories as nominated, and listed them at WP:CFDW and WP:CFDWM. Some manual cleanup is likely to be needed, especially if they use templates; I hope you may be willing to assist. – Fayenatic London 15:09, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Ok, it looks like everything has been moved over correctly. There's just a copyright violation I didn't want to get involved in and an odd redirect left still categorized. Kennethaw88 • talk 20:39, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for such a tidy nomination after your preparations for Idaho Territory on July 3. If you would like to tinker with the category pages for Arizona and New Mexico so that they don't need century & millennium parents, in order to empty those that I created and tag them with {{db-c1}}, that's fine by me. It's probably enough to put each "[decade] in X Territory" category into "History of X Territory".

I'm inclined to think that "Years in X Territory", which we do not have for Idaho Territory, would be worth having, but I'm not bothered enough to work on it. It might be more useful in a territory that ended up as more than one state. – Fayenatic London 10:45, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

I might as well also ask about tweaking the Colorado Territory categories. It certainly needs a smaller scheme than New Mexico Territory, since it only had one century, anyway. For territories spread across several states, I've been just adding YYYY in X Territory to each individual Years in State (for example, Category:1834 in Michigan Territory, or is that overkill?) side note: I only just now realized that Idaho Territory (at least briefly) covered Montana and Wyoming. Kennethaw88 • talk 02:45, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Yes, please do the same on Colorado Territory. I think all the year categories are justified. I just came across and closed Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2014_June_22#History_of_Utah_Territory; please would you be so kind as to implement it? I deleted Category:19th century in Utah Territory but it still has template-driven content. Unfortunately I used Utah Territory as my model for the others. It seemed justified at the time, as part of Category:19th century in the United States; perhaps you may find a neat way to ensure that that is complete too. – Fayenatic London 13:37, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

I've seen some of your work come up in my watchlist, and it looks good, thanks. Nice work adding "CatPair" rather than the complicated sequence templates. Although I suggested above that the decades could populate the "History of X Territory" categories, on reflection the latter are unnecessary, and I've just put the decades categories directly into the Territory categories for Utah, Colorado and Idaho Territories. I started emptying the century categories for NM Territory, but rolled myself back as you may have decided to keep those seeing that they have more content, so I have put them in the NM Territory cat. – Fayenatic London 20:10, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm not really sure how History of X Territory by period is that different from History of X by period or even X Territory, so I never really bothered to populate them. I'm glad that these category schemes make at least some sense - trying to create the historically appropriate category names without adding every single possible parent category. Kennethaw88 • talk 03:08, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

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Hey Kennethaw, I disagree with most of your recent edits to Sanpete County, Utah. Would you mind putting some justification for them on the talk page? Sanpitch (talk) 04:19, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

Pope County, Illinois

You editing that page a long time in the past adding a population table that claimed the population of the county rose to 40,000+ people in 1840 from less than 4000, and then dropped back down to less than 4000 in 1850. I'm guessing that there was a typo involved somewhere but I can't tell for sure what it was, would you mind revisiting that when you get around to it? Elassint ^Hi 16:32, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

 Fixed Thanks for catching that. Kennethaw88 • talk 02:17, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

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Establishment date changes

You need to stop script-changing establishment dates of populated places. The date a place was established is not the date of its most recent governmental reorganization. Sitka was not established in 1971 - it has been continuously inhabited since the 18th century. I request that you refrain from these edits without discussion because they are not uncontroversial. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 03:17, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for bringing this here to discuss. I did not realize these would be controversial. But please do not call my edits nonsense; I'm not just making up numbers. I was in fact using the dates of incorporation of the City and Borough of Sitka and the Borough of Skagway, etc., as stated in each of the respective articles. Please also note that a total revert wasn't necessary, because Skagway, for example, now remains in both Category:Census-designated places in Alaska and Category:Alaska boroughs. Regarding Anchorage, it was only settled in 1914, but incorporated in 1920. As far as I can tell, every other county/city/town is categorized according to incorporation; I don't see why Anchorage should be different (similarly for Yakutat). Kennethaw88 • talk 04:21, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Most populated places actually aren't categorized by incorporation. See Los Angeles, San Francisco, Rome, etc. The concept of "incorporation" is a modern construct, and it doesn't make sense to impose that construct atop lengthy records of human history. Cities existed long before there were "city limits."

Skagway is a census-designated place within its borough and therefore is correctly categorized. Yes, it can be both. There is a Skagway Borough and a Skagway CDP. This is because the Census desires to differentiate those who live in Skagway proper from those who live in the outlying areas of the borough, even though there is no longer a separate city government. Same thing with Petersburg.

Sorry if it came off snippy, but one should stop and think before making edits that don't comport with the reality of human experience. Sitka has existed since the 18th century - does it make any sense to tell readers that it wasn't "established" until 1971 simply because of a bureaucratic change of political structure? We are here to serve readers, not fit everything into neat standard boxes. Alaska has a unique and idiosyncratic system of local government. Just because something's standard elsewhere doesn't mean it fits everywhere, and that goes double for Alaska.

If you wish to extend the categorization system based on political establishment dates, may I suggest a separate Category:Boroughs of Alaska established in XXXX or something similar? NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 04:43, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

I guess you're right that I shouldn't interpret the categories so narrowly. Established can mean other things, but that's what made sense to me. I'll just accept that Alaska is really confusing. Kennethaw88 • talk 05:03, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

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NRHP photo

No problem; I undid my edit. If the house isn't the one its original description claims it is, you should modify its NRHP reference number on Commons. There's a bot which finds unused NRHP images on Commons based on their reference numbers, and that image came up in the most recent batch of unused images, so I added it to the list without realizing it was wrong. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 04:07, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Done. Thanks. kennethaw88 • talk 04:19, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

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Woops, thanks for catching that. I've been updating lots of similar articles, and when I got to Maryland, I forgot to increment the reference url (www.census.gov...counties_list_22.txt -> www.census.gov...counties_list_24.txt). And in this case, I guess I got distracted while I was editing. kennethaw88 • talk 15:35, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

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Ok, I've removed several from the category as best I can interpret their relationship to Fermi. Maybe some of the quantum phenomena belong in Category:Fermi–Dirac statistics‎? kennethaw88 • talk 01:21, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

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The Darwin Awards are named after Charles Darwin; it's a central part of the humor, and the books contain numerous science essays about evolution. So it's not "Unrelated subjects with shared names". Now you may not think a humor topic belongs in the Charles Darwin category... I don't agree, but it's a reasonable concept. Not unrelated, though. Greg (talk) 20:50, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

The problem to me is that it is being categorized by its name, and not the awards itself (and I still don't think that highlighting the low points of human evolution is enough of a connection to Darwin). Lots of awards (humorous or not) are named after people after their death. In this case, the awards were created 100 years after his death, and Darwin himself had absolutely nothing to do with the awards. I think it would be more appropriate to have a See Also link to List of things named after Charles Darwin, instead of putting it directly in the category. kennethaw88 • talk 14:51, 15 May 2015 (UTC)