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I had a look through your edit history, and noticed that you have started some important articles. Some of these have developed into good articles, some are stubs but could be improved. You could add this list on your user page. It is quite impressive for your edit count. -- Petri Krohn 18:25, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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I added this list to your user page. I hope you do not mind. Feel free to remove. -- Petri Krohn 23:20, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Second War of Haitian Independence

Hello, I am puzzled as to why you started an article called Second War of Haitian Independence. Were you aware that there is already an article on the Haitian Revolution which covers this very subject? (and in greater depth than you've supplied, as well). Please take a look at that article - you are welcome to add to it if you wish. But I don't think there is a need for a second article. I was thinking of tagging it for deletion, but I thought I would give you a "heads up" before I proceed. Regards, Cgingold 13:15, 2 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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"Det här är Sveriges Historia"

What's that? Do you mean TV4's "Sveriges Historia"? --OpenFuture (talk) 14:41, 25 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
-Yes :), thought it is a better source than none. --Mattfolk (talk) 14:43, 25 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Detail

It doesn't matter much in that particular discussion now, but on your reply here [1], when I said "can you read it?", I was referring to [2], and I got the impression you summarized the [3] which is not locked for me. Or did you actually summarize the ess.fi? Maybe they're basically the same. I get the impression that google translate does a decent job on Finnish, but there's always a risk for mistakes, and with BLP:s one shpuld take extra care. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:32, 17 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, unfortunately, I don't have access to the Lahti news paper. I misunderstood you. :) Kennet.mattfolk (talk) 11:00, 17 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello!

Hope you are well. And around. I just added some google-translated Finnish from this source [4] here [5], and wondered if you could check for horrible errors. And if you want to join the discussion at the talkpage, that's fine too. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:19, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Technically the article says the army is "a hundred thousand strong" which is the same as somebody writing "100,000". Tens of thousands makes his claim sound smaller than what he claim in kuvalehti. Athetics should probably have an l in it, it doesn't say it was an injury, but that he's knees "failed" him, without specifying it was an injury.

The rest is correct :) Kennet.mattfolk (talk) 17:51, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! I'm currently adding a bunch of translated article titles in that article, feel free to peek at those as well! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:57, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, I'll do that, can star the article. Np :) Kennet.mattfolk (talk) 18:00, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done and thanks! You don't have to do the Igbo one if you don't want to. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:03, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You're going to FA it..? Nah, you probably meant watchlist. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:06, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Honestly idk, I have been on wiki so long most of this stuff didn't exist when I learned to wiki :D Kennet.mattfolk (talk) 18:24, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I mostly use source editor out of habit. I was so happy when I realized the new reply-system meant no edit-conflicts. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:28, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh yes, edit conflict, don't miss those :D Kennet.mattfolk (talk) 18:51, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I never meant that

Hello @AndyTheGrump and ping to all editors.

May I say you may be breft of the rights of government-in-exile per your submission.

Kindly read Government-in-exile#Activities (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government-in-exile#Activities) for clear understanding of this very dispute.

They have rights to hold elections or amend or revise its own constitution under international law. Read also past and present Exile governments. Ojukwu was their first president and later fled to Exile with his government. Please, first familiarize yourself with the topic before contributing. Read the Finnish Wikipedia. which I failed to properly wikilink in the above submission from me. One of the template tag on Simon Ekpa article page clearly stated that editors can help translate the corresponding Finnish Wikipedia to the English one and I seek to apply it judiciously.

For @Gråbergs Gråa Sång, the Exile government is headquartered the US according to report. What makes you feel they are not a government-in-exile and that they are just claiming to be?

That Finnish Wikipedia evaluated him being a "Prime Minof Biafra in exile ister" is highly interesting to note for every editor on the English Wikipedia.

Familiarize with government-in-exile and their activities as we reach a conclusive consensus here. . Sincerely, Fugabus (talk) 16:51, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why are you spreading this discussion out amongst many talk pages? There is already a place for this post of yours, here. As to the Finnish wikipedia, it only says in definite language on the introduction/lead to the body, while in the body it states "Simon Ekpa julistautui Biafran tasavallan pakolaishallituksen (BRGIE) pääministeriksi" as of writing, which key word there in that quote is "julistautui" meaning he declared himself as pm. I originally proposed translating material from finnish wiki on the corresponding english talk page. The Finnish wiki uses as well the kuvalehti source. You have not argued for terms and such, that you have gotten seem to have miss-understood. So how about not patronizing me by explaining things to me I already know, no need to tell me to read anything. More, this imv clarifies what your motive here is, being a self-declared pm doesn't mean the govt in exile doesn't exist, just who's the leader. Your the one confusing an organization with an person it seems

That US report is also covered in kuvalehti, if memory serves their 'finance minister'.

How about not spamming pls.

Kind regards, Kennet.mattfolk (talk) 17:15, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please, I apologize for the error. I missed something I typed. Can you please help me delete the rubbish? Fugabus (talk) 17:35, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fugabus, please do not spread this discussion over multiple pages. I responded to your question on WP:BLPN, and am not going to engage elsewhere. AndyTheGrump (talk) 17:33, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I deeply apologize @AndyTheGrump.

It is a technical error from my end and it is never intentional to write this here. Please, accept my sincere apologies.

Fugabus (talk) 17:38, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Misconception

Dear @Kennet.mattfolk I never meant to say Kuvalehti and Yle are Clickbait. In fact, I believe in their their reportage. If you could recall, I was replying to Gråbergs Gråa Sång then when they said they were skeptical about Kuvalehti reportage on the title of the article found on X and I said the title was a Clickbait to get audience read them. Do understand please. Fugabus (talk) 18:32, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And again, I never translated Finnish language but I relied on your own translation when you said "At least he is Prime Minister to some". That tread is long but I believe you can recall on that talk page

Thanks for your understanding

Fugabus (talk) 18:37, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I seem to have miss-understood you with the clickbait. I'm glad it seems to have been resolved :) Kennet.mattfolk (talk) 20:07, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Translation

Many years ago, before GT, me and some coworkers found an autotranslation of a tape recorder manual, and it was a fun challenge to try to reconstruct the English from the badly mangled Swedish. We got really stuck on "anklaga batteriet", but then it hit me: "charge the battery!" This is great:[6]. I once put "... mellan Vättern och Värnen..." through an early GT, and it gave me "between the lake and the lake". BUT, GT has gotten better over the years, and is often helpful, but it's easy to miss when it's not. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:39, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång

Yes, came to think of placenames from that link. Where I live there are many swedish place names that end in something-lax, as in the fish, many think it's wierd why name so many places after one fish. But it's because the early sweds that came over asked what's this place called and got 'metsälahti' or something, (skogsbukt), but could today look like metslax if it where a place or origibally metsalaxi. Because the vikings couldn't pronounce finnish sounds such as 'ht' in lahti. Haha :D

Though with GT, in my experience is depends on the language. Indo-european languages are the ones it gets the best imo. But finnish is agglutinative, like Korean and others. Meaning the same baseword Pako, to flee, can be pako-la-inen, 'the one who fled' or refugee, asylum seeker. Or fast forward pako-la-is-hallitus, 'the govt of the ones who fled' or govt in exile. GT struggles bc the baseword pako is still the same, but the meaning changed, gt is just wtf just happened. :D Kennet.mattfolk (talk) 19:12, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That reminds me of a Korean interview I tried to GT translate and I got "When I meet my sleep, my bottom comes up." I never did find out what it meant.

One of the heroes in The Emberverse series is the American Mike Havel, his family is partly Finnish. "-Then why is your name Czech? -Well, when great grandfather came to work at the ironmine, the Czech foreman asked his name. He said "Myllyharju!" and the foreman declared "From now on, your name is Havel!"" The nation he founds take the battlecry "hakkaa päälle!" Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:33, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, I'm been wanting to learn Korean, it's bones are very similar to finnish, how you build sentenses, words etc., but all the meat, such as vocabulary very different.

Woow looked up those books as audio books, their like 20h+ and there a lot of them, it would take time to get through them :D. I wonder where Myllyharju is, sound like a place name made into a surname, which means Millridge. Probably some tiny village somewhere where his ancestors are from.

Hakkaa Päälle was actually made known/popular as a battlecry during Sweden-Finland joint 'greatest' rise in global power with Gustav Adolf and his Hakapelittas during the Thirty Years War. Which eventually would start the stormakstiden. Kennet.mattfolk (talk) 19:59, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nantucket series, related to the other series, is shorter. In 1998, Nantucket, with perhaps 6000 tourists and 2000 natives, move back in time to the bronze age. "-We must get more food. And plenty of salt, especially when we start bringing in whale-meat. -What! You can't hunt whales! -Why not? -They're an endangered species! -No, they're a fucking navigational hazard! You can't sail out 2 miles without bumping into the bloody things!" Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:19, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, those were the days... But perhaps not for actually living in, 90% of armies dying from deceases and all that. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:22, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, if you can credit meterialism for anything it's for incentivising economic growth through innovation, r&d. Instead of plowing through Germany, just to get a small strip of German coast to toll. Kennet.mattfolk (talk) 05:50, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ah yes, Swedish Pomerania, and so I learned in school that a Swede discovered oxygen (maybe you did too?). My theory is that German schoolchildren learned no such thing. Or the Brittish ones... Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:13, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Btw, if you haven't seen this [7] 2:20 and forward, you may enjoy it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:35, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bonus:[8] Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:39, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Basically Yle news haha :D Kennet.mattfolk (talk) 19:59, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Per your translation of Kuvalehti report. I wanted to get clarified on how "Be it as it may, Ekpa is now at least the prime minister by some" eventually interpreted to "He is the self-declared prime minister of the Biafra Republic Government in Exile".

If he is a Prime Minister to some According Suomen Kuvalehti, how does it mean in reality that he is a "self-declared" Prime Minister?

I also learnt you have problems with getting full access to the article because it is protected against unsubscribed readers. It may interest you to know that for the purpose of this dispute, I have subscribed to Kuvalehti and now have full access to that article and throughout, I didn't read Self-declared as on the Lead of Simon Ekpa. What suomen Kuvalehti did specially on that report was investigative journalism. You may wish to have it pasted as text here per your request.

Best regards,

Per Kuvalehti report

Per your translation of Kuvalehti report. I wanted to get clarified on how "Be it as it may, Ekpa is now at least the prime minister by some" eventually interpreted to "He is the self-declared prime minister of the Biafra Republic Government in Exile".

(I apologize for the first error in adding this Topic)

If he is a Prime Minister to some According Suomen Kuvalehti, how does it mean in reality that he is a "self-declared" Prime Minister?

I also learnt you have problems with getting full access to the article because it is protected against unsubscribed readers. It may interest you to know that for the purpose of this dispute, I have subscribed to Kuvalehti and now have full access to that article and throughout, I didn't read Self-declared as on the Lead of Simon Ekpa. What suomen Kuvalehti did specially on that report was investigative journalism. You may wish to have it pasted as text here per your request.

Best regards, «fjuːgəbʌs» (talk) 02:03, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I suggested on the talk page on Simom Ekpa, that self-declared should be changed to self-described. (see here).

As you point out, he may not be self appointed as the term "self-declared" implies. Though the same quote of my translation also show he is not universally accepted as a "prime minister". My attempt and position is a try to compromise between these. There is finnish sources that say his describes himself as pm. Describing one as a pm is imo different from having single handedly declared oneself to be pm. Self-described imo includes that he may have genuine support, but also while recognizing it is not universal. To be clear, I think " Self-declared Prime Minister" and "Prime minister" both are bad.

Gråberg actually found a twitter link that fixed my access problem. :) Kennet.mattfolk (talk) 12:07, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Leaving it with self-described is even worst per what Gråbergs Gråa Sång said. It has no connotation. It is just like when Joe Biden says, "I am the president of the US". Would you say self-described president? Of course not! I am not comparing him with Joe Biden but trying to drive my point home.

My own take has been that all the qualifiers should not be on the Lead since it has has negative or perhaps controversial connotation. We already have them on body under Simon Simon_Ekpa#Activism_and_separatism. I think we should settle for the Wikipedia:SECONDARY of Kuvalehti and leave Yle Primary source to avoid contentious content in the Lead.

If we begin to add all qualifiers per what all the news media called him, the Lead will burst.

Please help me to ping Gråbergs Gråa Sång since you mentioned them here. «fjuːgəbʌs» (talk) 20:02, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's correct, the finnish language sources treat the subject as neutraly as possible. Plus everything I've read indicates the subject is grey, not either or. :) Why solve this issue on my page instead of Talk:Simon Ekpa, why ping everybody every where when there is already a place to talk? Kennet Mattfolk (talk) 20:12, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Glad you agree with me on the context. I don't imply to solve this dispute on your page but wished to get clarification which I have gotten. There's no need to ping Gråbergs Gråa Sång anyways. I am opening a talk on that on this self-declared stuff and you would see it. We resolved the dispute of Prime Minister and Leader and this shall also get resolved. It is all about understanding.

Best, «fjuːgəbʌs» (talk) 19:30, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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