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I've found it to be helpful at times and not-so-helpful at other times, but it's worth a shot. Just go to WP:RFCU.
It may take awhile to get the results, but don't worry. —Khoikhoi 15:54, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
This arbitration case is now closed and the decision is published.
For the Arbitration Committee. --14:53, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
Diyako/Xebat/Retau
There isn't a whole ton that can be done. At this point, I'd recommend treating him as you would any other user, and reporting any suspect actions on his part. --InShaneee 19:04, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
Cali
Heh, well the weather's great right now. :) I recommend that you go, you've been to the US before, right? —Khoikhoi 21:04, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
- Wow man, that's awesome. Trying going to Santa Monica pier if you have the time. As you know there's a large Persian community in LA. ;) —Khoikhoi 21:55, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
- Actually, it looks a lot better than it does in the pictures. Also, if you're ever looking for a good hamburger place, go to The Apple Pan on Pico Blvd. —Khoikhoi 22:11, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
Very cool. I cannot wait for your assistance. —Eternal Equinox | talk 21:24, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
Re: Dorood
Dorood bar shoma hamchenin,
Thanks for the warm welcome and nice to meet you. I may have made a hasty judgment. I may have not understood the situation well. I will have a closer look soon when I got rid of my final exams. Dorood --Aminz 23:37, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
Hist. of the Kurds
Hmmm. It looks like the main issue you have is whether the sources are reliable or not. What I suggest is you present it in a way so it's not an absolute fact, but mainly (or entirely) a legend. Do you agree to that? —Khoikhoi 01:33, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
I think you have had some experience with this user adding information that is not properly sourced. I would appreciate it if you could have a look at Talk:History_of_the_Kurds#Zoroaster_and_Yazidis where he is trying to add this rather large paragraph based on this article on "findarticles.com" which in my opinion is not academic at all, article is full of "I think"s and the author has made up conclusions which I think should not be put on Wikipedia.
Perhaps I am wrong here, but I read that Jimbo insists that for anything disputable there has to be SOLID and VERIFABLE sources, not what "Sheikh Dawresh Kalesh" (Google search = 0) would say and how the author has claimed that it is infact, true!..
Anyway you might also want to check out Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#.
Thanks, -- - K a s h Talk | email 11:27, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
- You may want to add this to the rfc I filed. Seek arbitration if he insists on being disruptive. I can offer little assistance at this point as I got my hands full, sorry. --Cat out 19:26, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Well...
You might want to start focusing your attention on a different user, Gadolam (talk · contribs). Look familiar? —Khoikhoi 17:55, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
- Ok, although I highly suspect that he's doing this from a different location. —Khoikhoi 17:57, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the barnstar
Although, seeing the articles related to Iran (and other topics I like) look presentable is generally reward enough for me! ;) Tombseye 03:18, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
Persian Jews
I'm sorry but I am going to remove it again. It is unclear if the source is reputable or not. It states at the bottom that it is "based" on the library of congress, and provides links to reputable sources, but also looks very unporfessional and if it was actually rund byt the library of congress it wouldn't have google ads in the beginning of the article.- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 13:49, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
Kash, the official LoC website has the same exact information as the link that Moshe has persistently removed again and again. The main reason for the "unofficial" link is due to the fact that the LoC website does not allow direct linking due to some technical reason. If Moshe persists, I suggest that you and others pursue an RfC as the Iran country study is 100% in line with WP:V and they are flagrantly violating policy by edit warring. Best, SouthernComfort 16:12, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
Please remember to assume good faith. While this users claims seem fairly absurd, this doesn't seem to be rising above the level of a simple content dispute yet. Please continue trying to discuss the issue with him civilly on the article's talk page, but do bring this up to me if he continues to revert despite consensus against him. --InShaneee 19:15, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
Look at the edit history. Pan-Kurdish nationalism went unnoticed all this time. SouthernComfort 20:24, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
- Yes, the article has become very "dodgy." ;) It's claiming that over 90% of people in Urmia are Kurdish, when in reality the vast majority are Azari (the LoC country study and virtually every other neutral source backs this up.) Unfortunately, however, this article is but one out of many Iranian articles that are filled with numerous errors and ethnically-driven propaganda. See recent comments at Talk:Ethnic politics of Khuzestan for example. If the majority of editors continue to ignore the bombastic attempts of those few who wish to transform Wikipedia into some sort of frontline for their chosen "holy wars" (for instance, this "holy war" against all things Persian, including people) then I am afraid there is not much future here as all credibility will have been lost. Best, SouthernComfort 23:16, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
- BTW, if you want to see something very dodgy, check this out: Beyond the Eastern limes of the Euphrates, the Sassanid Empire reacted to the Roman edicts of toleration by persecuting Christians, whom they considered as allies of Persia's ancient enemy, Rome. from Constantine_I (emperor)#Constantine_and_Christianity. Subjective claim stated as objective fact. Only one reference used: Freya Stark - a travel writer! LOL SouthernComfort 23:20, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
Sockcheck
Could you please request a sockcheck for 88.111.63.92 who I believe to be User:Ahwaz? See Talk:Ethnic politics of Khuzestan. Thank you much. SouthernComfort 14:35, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
Admin Abuse
I did, actually, and I wanted to thank you for supporting me here. I know we had a lot of bitter disagreements in the past, but I'm glad to see that when it comes down to it we can still respect each other as editors. :) --InShaneee 20:17, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi
I see that your name appears in similar places to mine. I am interested in starting a dialogue re various issues, including handling of administration (problems with Wikipedia admins) issues, and certain articles, like the 2005-2006 US Israel threats on Iran one. If you want to, please write back to me. Thank you. Wallie 14:54, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
Weird city copyvio thing
Hey man. To check if something's copyvio, paste one of the paragraphs to Google and see if a website shows up. And the images will soon be deleted due to lack of source anyways. —Khoikhoi 19:12, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
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Indo-Aryans distinction with Iranian
Hello Kash, just thought I'd drop you line. The term Indo-Aryans denotes a separate branch from the Iranians and thus there would no point in mentioning the Iranian peoples in that article (other than peripheral discussion). the parent group of both being the Indo-Iranians which is more relevant. Indo-Aryan, though having Aryan attached to it, is separate from the Iranic Aryans as both Iranian and Aryan (as you know are synonymous). Tombseye 21:55, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
- Man, tell me about it. Most things in history are so complicated, it's easy to mix up anything and everything! By the way, I'm glad the Iranian peoples issue is resolved as the article is looking much better now. Tombseye 22:06, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
thanks for the warm greeting message
Dear Kashk, Thanks for the warm greeting message.
Best Wishes, Shahram12
zoro userbox
you're userbox was deleted! T_T --Dangerous-Boy 04:29, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
Re:Talk:Maryam Rajavi
Please do not put the blame on me. You are deleting a relevant discussion from the article's talk page, I do not understand your reason for doing this, but I do know your ostensible reason is not valid considering its not just personal stuff.- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 10:31, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
I'm not going to make a federal case out of it so I will accept your explanation. However from my point of view you were deleting a relevant discussion that included the comments of other people ostensibly because it was a personal discussion, however it was clear to me that it related to the subject of the article, so I felt it was a misleading edit summary and therefore should be reverted. It is not my job to assume their was some valid actual reason for the deletion. I also felt it was highly suspect that instead of responding to my queries on the talk page you removed them as well. Hopefully in the future we can talk it out before any sort of escalation :) - Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 10:41, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
Apology
I do apologize for being a "bull" in the Agassi's talk page :) Chaldean 14:01, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
Reza Pahlavi II
He has ceremonially accepted the position of monarch. He has also, repeatedly, in his books and interviews, expressed that he believes Iran to be better of with a constitutional monarchy than with a republic, and that he considers himself to be the rightful monarch in that case. But of course, he has always expressed that the ultimate decision of the form of government rests with the people, and it is them who have to decide, freely, what it is exactly that they want. Technically, however, since he legally does not accept the Islamic republic as legitimate, and considers its very creation by an undemocratic referrendum as unlawful, he has never really given up his claim to the throne, of which his symbolic acceptance of monarchial duties is an indication. Much more, to my understanding, it is the case that he considers a future truly democratic referrendum to be a final choice as to whether his claim to the throne is still supported by the people or not. Up to then, with no clear free choice ever made by the people, he does consider himself the de jure Shah, or, as one might say, pretender. In any case, since his father has passed away, the term heir to the throne does not apply. One should either say pretender or former heir to the throne. Shervink 15:25, 15 May 2006 (UTC)shervink
Kurd category
[2] -- - K a s h Talk | email 15:06, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
- actually there is a whole series of it! [3], list at [4] -- - K a s h Talk | email 15:07, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
- Thank you for letting me know. Also please check your email. --Cat out 15:28, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
Shah situation
Sure, I'll help out with that. If he keeps it up, perhaps we should report him. Tombseye 16:22, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
In 2
Yes. I thought we had common ground on various article, especially the one I mentioned that was just deleted. wallie 19:36, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
Urmia-continued
Kashk,
You stated in one of your messages that you do not possess any information about the city of Urmia but that your gut feeling tells you that the city has an Azeri-majority. You and your comrades seem to bear deeply-rooted antagonistic feelings towards Kurds. What is wrong with Kurds constituting the majority of the city of Urmia? Just because you're not content with this mere fact does grant you the right to alter the data. I am neither a Kurd nor a Turk. But I utterly dislike those who try shun the truth. I did state on the Urmia page that the Kurds are the majority, for that is a fact. Nonetheless, I was also instrumental at providing a multitude of information ranging from the museums to the local government offices to major grammatical alterations. Could anyone of you kindly please expound upon your explicit hatred towards Kurds? You all are claiming to be pro-Zoroastrian, yet you so vehemently oppose Kurds, who according to innumerable sources, are more Iranian than Turks or Persian-wanabees. -- Shahram12
Re: Talk:Persian people
Khashayar, I will get back to you soon regarding your comment; I am swamped now. Just regarding Aucuman's comment, please note that Aucuman's tone there was not serious though it was definitely offensive. It is clear from the way it is written. Cyrus the great is very very respected to all Judaism, Christianity and Islam. And yes, I AM proud of him. --Aminz 01:27, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
- That's an interesting thought considering this comment. --ManiF 07:29, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
Khashayar, man khodam rou felan az wikipedia block kardam (ke dars bekhoonam) va hafteye digeh bar migardam. Areh man ounoo goftam va har chand kheyli jeddi naboodam, ta haddi ham toosh sedaghat hast. Ghabl az inkeh bekham rajeyebe oun sohbat konam, hatman midooni ke ageh man bekham az dide islamy be ghaziyeh negah konam, bayad vaseye koroosh kheyli ehteram ghayel basham. Kheyliya motaghedan ke zol-gharnayn tooye ghoran be koroosh eshareh dareh, ke be nazare manam aslanam gheyre mohtamal nist: Qur'an injoori darbareye koroosh sohbat mikoneh:
83. They ask thee concerning Zul-qarnain. Say, "I will rehearse to you something of his story."
84. Verily We established his power on earth, and We gave him the ways and the means to all ends.
85. One (such) way he followed,
86. Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: Near it he found a People: We said: "O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness."
87. He said: "Whoever doth wrong, him shall we punish; then shall he be sent back to his Lord; and He will punish him with a punishment unheard-of (before).
88. "But whoever believes, and works righteousness,- he shall have a goodly reward, and easy will be his task as We order it by our Command."
89. Then followed he (another) way,
90. Until, when he came to the rising of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had provided no covering protection against the sun.
91. (He left them) as they were: We completely understood what was before him.
92. Then followed he (another) way,
93. Until, when he reached (a tract) between two mountains, he found, beneath them, a people who scarcely understood a word.
94. They said: "O Zul-qarnain! the Gog and Magog (People) do great mischief on earth: shall we then render thee tribute in order that thou mightest erect a barrier between us and them?
95. He said: "(The power) in which my Lord has established me is better (than tribute): Help me therefore with strength (and labour): I will erect a strong barrier between you and them:
96. "Bring me blocks of iron." At length, when he had filled up the space between the two steep mountain-sides, He said, "Blow (with your bellows)" Then, when he had made it (red) as fire, he said: "Bring me, that I may pour over it, molten lead."
97. Thus were they made powerless to scale it or to dig through it.
98. He said: "This is a mercy from my Lord: But when the promise of my Lord comes to pass, He will make it into dust; and the promise of my Lord is true."
Khoob, mitooni bebini ke tooye bible ham koroosh ounvane "messiah" gerefteh.
Hala bezar toozih bedam chera oun rou neveshtam. Ageh bekham sadegh basham bayad begam ke ageh man goftam koroosh adamkosh boodeh, bayad ba hamoon estandard ha begam ke mosalmoonayi ke be iran hamle kardan va mesle vahshiya hame chiz rou nabood kardan ham adamkosh boodan. Man aslan nemikham koroosh rou ba kasi moghayese konam valy nemidoonam ta hala ba hich adame mogholi barkhord kardi ya na. Vaseye ouna "moghol" khan kheyli adame "mahboobi" ast. Valy vaseye ma chi.
Nader shahe afshar masale dige ast. Tooye ketabe tarikhemoon ba eftekhar minevisan ke hend rou fath kard. Valy hendiya azash motenaferan. Hala koroosh ham vaseye iraniya mahboob ast choon ma irani hastim. az in nazar areh, hameye ounayi ke "keshvargoshayi" mikardan ghatel hastan, nistan? Hala az ina begzarim, nemidoonam chera in baraye shoma inghadr mohemme? Mageh koroosh be dine zartooshti rabte mostaghimi dareh gheyre inkeh zartooshti bood? mersi va az daste man lotfan narahat nabash. --128.32.39.126 03:01, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
User:Grandmaster is trying to PUSH MAJOR BIAS
PLease read the Azari articles such as naming ocnvintions. Also look at the regions and history. Just look then get back to me with your opinion. He tried to marganilze all facts with verification after varification. 72.57.230.179
- I have established enough proof to shut him up but now he is resorting to a spear campiang. He is changing th subject and so on and engaging me in conflict via proxy. Look Talk:Azarbaijani He even claims he has never heard the term Azari before. 72.57.230.179
The consensus was to Keep. To tell you the truth, I would personally have voted delete, but there was more of a consensus to keep than to delete, so it wasn't even a No consensus. --Deathphoenix ʕ 12:12, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
- I could, but there's one problem with that: AfD is not a vote. Consensus is not the same as a vote, and closing AfDs is not about counting votes, otherwise we could simply use a bot to close AfDs. In this particular AfD, I could go ahead and tell you exactly how many votes were for what, and the Keeps would come out ahead anyway. However, AfD doesn't work that way, and even then, in this AfD, the consensus was to keep. Please see this, m:Polls are evil, and this for further details. Thanks, Deathphoenix ʕ 13:53, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
- I happen to think that my closure was valid, but you are, of course, free to dispute it. If you wish, you can start a discussion at WP:DRV to review my AfD closure, but if you do so, please let me know that you've started a DRV. Thanks, Deathphoenix ʕ 14:08, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
- Oh, and if you want a strict vote count, I counted 8 deletes and 8 non-deletes (7 keeps, 1 merge). Since there needs to be about an 80% consensus to delete in order for an article to be deleted, it's pretty clear here that the consensus is to Keep the article. --Deathphoenix ʕ 14:14, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
- Not exactly. Generally, an AfD comes out as no consensus if there is a small amount of consensus to delete, but not at the 80% required to actually get an article deleted. This AfD had about an even 50-50 split, which is a keep, not a no consensus. This is usually up to the closing admin to decide, but a no consensus results in the article being kept anyway. --Deathphoenix ʕ 14:24, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
- No problem, glad to help. I don't really vote on AfDs anymore, but I used to do it a lot, then later toned it down to just Canadian articles. Now I only vote on Harry Potter articles since I'm a member of its Wikiproject. Perhaps selective AfD activity would have helped here, not sure if it would have. --Deathphoenix ʕ 15:09, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
- Not exactly. Generally, an AfD comes out as no consensus if there is a small amount of consensus to delete, but not at the 80% required to actually get an article deleted. This AfD had about an even 50-50 split, which is a keep, not a no consensus. This is usually up to the closing admin to decide, but a no consensus results in the article being kept anyway. --Deathphoenix ʕ 14:24, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
Zoroaster
no problem, you may have noted that I didn't revert you, I have rather rephrased the statement to something less assertive. dab (ᛏ) 16:38, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
Are You Zoroastrian?
Hello Kashk, this is Afghan Historian from the Parsi talk page, you might remember me. I hope your doing well. Anyway, I saw in your categories that you are a Zoroastrian wikpedian. Are you really? Are you from Yazd, Kerman or Tehran itself? I'm interested as I havent met any Zoroastrian Wikipedians before, not even Indian ones. All the Zoroastrians I know personally (3 or 4, perhaps 5) are Indians as well. I would really love to know in any case. If its of no offense to you, of course. Thanks. -Afghan Historian 02:40, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
Problems on Pashtuns page
Your neutral input would be appreciated on the discussion page. Thanks. Tombseye 20:58, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
- Yeah tell me about it. I prefer to come to wikipedia and actually edit articles and not deal with this stuff. I think these people may even believe that the term Pathan actually predates Pashtun! Man, I don't even know how to tell them how wrong they've got it. Tombseye 21:13, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
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Stuff
Alright I archived the talk page. As for the Azarbaijan page, yeah, I think I recall one guy, TimBits saying:
Using a different letter would make sense only if these were unrelated words that just happened to be spelled alike. This is not the case, origin of the word is the same no matter you spell it Azarbaijan or Azerbaijan. While I understand the political motivations in trying to differentiate it as much as possible, but those political aims can not be the reason for us here in Wikipedia to decide about such matters. The voting process was hastened and the matter is going to be opened again.
As for the flag, just an attempt to use Wikipedia as a political platform. Also note the following userbox:
—Khoikhoi 03:26, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
Thanks
Thanks for welcoming me back. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.86.16.239 (talk • contribs)