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Alexander the Great(song) vandalism
Wikipedia is an encyclopedia - not a forum to express your opinions on the R. Macedonia naming dispute issue. All articles must be NPOV! Please stop polluting Alexander the Great (song) with your own opinion as not only is it POV it's also irrelevant to the song - your edits have already been reverted twice!
Pauderic 21:29, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
OK I was too aggresive in regard to this and for that I apologize, but the point still stands. Wikipedia IS an encyclopedia, and while you are encouraged to express your own personal opinions all articles MUST reflect international scientific consensus. And let's be honest, neither side has anything near a consensus on the issue, so Wikipedia articles can not be one-sided. "which is correct if we see with a closer look the ancient history." is not only grammatically incorrect, but also clearly biased. For more information regarding Wikipedia's official policy please check Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view.
Pauderic 16:37, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
Πανεπιστήμιο
Γεια σου! Τι έγινε, καλά; Δυστυχώς δεν ξέρω τίποτα για τις πανελλήνιες αφού πήγα Ελλάδα (και πανεπιστήμιο) μέσω μιας υποτροφίας από το Υπουργείο Εξωτερικών. Λέω "πήγα" γιατί γύρησα Βραζιλία το τελευταίο μήνα, μετά 3 χρόνια εκεί στην χώρα σου. :)
Λοιπόν, δεν ξέρω εαν είναι το ίδιο για κάθε πανεπιστήμιο στην Ελλάδα. Δηλαδή, μήπως το πράγμα είναι εντελώς διαφορετικό στην Κρήτη (αφου πήγα σχολή στην Αθήνα); Δεν νομίζω, αλλά, τέλος πάντων, το Ιστορικό και Αρχαιολογικό είναι, βέβαια, δύσκολη σαν σχολή, θέλει πολύ διάβασμα. Βασικά αυτό, όμως, γιατί εαν διαβάσεις (καλύτερα να πω "διαβάζεις") θα το καταφέρεις. Σίγουρα. Και κάνε σημειώσεις στα μαθήματα, γιατί αυτά που λένε οι καθηγητές είναι πάρα πολύ σημαντικά - συνήθως αυτά που θα δεις στις εξετάσεις. Ούτε να είσαι έξπερ στα αρχαία δεν χρειάζεται - βέβαια πρέπει να μεταφραστείς κάποια πράγματα (δηλ. κείμενα), αλλά το πιο συμαντικό πράγμα είναι το να καταλάβεις για τη ζωή και για τα έργα των αρχαίων συγγραφέων. Και εαν προτιμάς την Ιστορία (παρά την Αρχαιολογία) μπορείς να την επιλέξεις ως κατεύθυνση, no problemo! :)
Δεν ξέρω εαν μπόρεσα να σε βοηθήσω με τίποτα. Εαν έχεις καμία απορία ή καμία ερώτηση, ή εαν θέλεις να μάθεις για τίποτ'άλλο, ρώτησέ με το. :)
Φιλάκια, Haggen Kennedy 16:02, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
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Hi I like your football articles but remember to categorize nationally too etc Category:Greek footballers James Janderson 14:00, 23 August 2006 (UTC) See Nikos Nioplias
Γεια χαρααααααααααααά...
Κοίτα, όταν ένα άρθρο έχει επιβιώσει από τρείς απόπειρες διαγραφής, πολύ δύσκολα πετυχαίνεις να το διαγράψεις. Στην περίπτωση αυτή, το καλύτερο που έχεις να κάνεις είναι να το εμπλουτίσεις με πληροφορίες, ωστε να ελαφρύνεις αφενώς τη δυσμενή θεσή (πχ. το κάνουν και κάποιοι Ισπανοί, δες την σχετική προσθήκη μου), και αφετέρου να προσθέσεις αυτό ακριβώς που είπες (παντα με πηγές), οτι δηλαδή οι περισσότεροι Έλληνες ενδιαφέρονται και δεν είναι σταρχιδιστές. Συμφωνώ οτι εν μέρει ξεφτιλίζει (κάποιους) Έλληνες, αν και διαφωνώ με το οτι επικεντρώνεις αυτό το "κάποιους" στους Κολωνακιώτες, ή στους πλούσιους. Πίστεψέ με, οι περισσότεροι πλούσιοι που ξέρω ενδιαφέρονται πολύ περισσότερο απ΄όσο νομίζεις (αλλά αυτό είναι εκτός θέματος -μην το πάμε ταξικά). Εν πάσει περιπτώσει, να το διαγράψουμε δεν μπορούμε, άρα, "if you can't beat them, join them." Προσπάθησε να δείξεις κι εσύ την άλλη πλευρά... •NikoSilver• 13:22, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
- Χα! Δεν χρειάζονται απολογίες! Γλυφαδιώτης είμαι! Ούτε τα ΒΠ που είπες δεν με πιάνουν! Αλήθεια, αφού λέει οτι είναι κάουντερ-κάλτσουρ φαρδιά-πλατιά, δεν πρέπει να μας πειράζει. Θα σου πρότεινα να ξοδέψεις τη φιλοπατρική ενέργειά σου σε άρθρα που μάλλον την έχουν περισσότερη ανάγκη. πχ. Pontian Greek Genocide καθώς και τα σχετιζόμενα με τη Μακεδονία μας. Διάβασε αν θες το πολύ καλό (φήτσουρντ άρτικλ) Macedonia (terminology) που ενώ αποκαλεί τους βόρειους φίλους μας όπως αυτο-αποκαλούνται (γιατί δυστυχώς έτσι επικρατεί στη WP) παράλληλα τους αποκαλύπτει! Έχω συνεισφέρει πολύ σ'αυτό... •NikoSilver• 14:10, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
ΔΕΝ ΕΙΜΑΙ :Ρ
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Warning against tag removal
KaragouniS, removal of deletion tags is considered a serious offence, of the same kind of vandalism.
If you not agree with the replaceability of the images, you use the proper tag, adding it, and not replacing the current tag as you did.
Do not remove the tags anymore. --Panarjedde 15:13, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
fair use images
I have unfortunately had to removed some logos from your user page, as they fail the fair use rules for inclusion as no fair use image is allowed in userspace (see policy note 9 on WP:FC). I have also deleted the images Antiosfp.png and Antibarca.png, both of which are tagged wrong (putting an X over a copyrighted image does not entitle you to licence it under GFDL), do not provide fair use rationale, and cannot ever be claimed to be fair use anyway (they can't be used on userspace and no article can be improved by them). └ OzLawyer / talk ┐ 15:51, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Again
Pardon me, but did you read WP:FU? It states quite clearly in point 9 that "Fair use images may be used only in the article namespace. Used outside article space, they are not covered under the fair use doctrine. They should never be used on templates (including stub templates and navigation boxes) or on user pages." I am again removing the logos from your userpage. This is not unique to you—logos are regularly removed from userpages (people create all sorts of sport-related userboxes that do not qualify for fair use). If you continue to add these images, you may find yourself in hot water. └ OzLawyer / talk ┐ 17:09, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
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Civility
It would be much appreciated if you wouldn't refer to other Wikipedians as malakas, as it is a violation of WP:CIVIL. Thanks. └ OzLawyer / talk ┐ 18:39, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
- Pardon me, KaragouniS, but calling me "stupid" is as much a violation of WP:CIVIL as "jerk". Or do you not get that we like to be kind to each other around here? Further incivility may result in you being blocked from editing Wikipedia. Please try to be kind. └ OzLawyer / talk ┐ 19:37, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
- No, Wikipedia is certainly not a democracy. Your re-worded insult is still an insult, and I shall remove it again. └ OzLawyer / talk ┐ 19:43, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
- What would be okay would be for you to remove the comment altogether. I have not intended to harass you or force you to do anything that isn't policy on Wikipedia. I explained to you why logos aren't allowed in userspace, I showed you the link to the policy which explains it, and I told you that this is not an action specific to you, but is in fact something that has to be, and is, enforced across Wikipedia. It's not my decision, it's the decision of Wikipedia as a whole, and is, in fact, the law. └ OzLawyer / talk ┐ 19:50, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
- No, Wikipedia is certainly not a democracy. Your re-worded insult is still an insult, and I shall remove it again. └ OzLawyer / talk ┐ 19:43, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi KaragouniS, thanks for removing that insult - but adding that other thing about your contempt for copyright ([1]) doesn't help much either. I'll be blunt: the next time we see you violating copyright in whatever matter here on Wikipedia, will get you an indefinite block with no further warnings. Because after what you just said, I must assume you do it fully intentionally in wilful defiance of Wikipedia policies. Which will not be tolerated. Fut.Perf. ☼ 22:45, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
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- KaragouniS, I do not think your image fails the first fair use criterion, as noted above, since it is a historical image and a new one cannot be magically taken of a 1938 team. However, it may not fulfill criteria 8 as it is currently used. If, however, the 1938 Light Brigade is notable enough for its own section, and I think that with everything--being the first year it gained its nickname, the display of the swastika for what I assume was the last year (unless it was partially displayed in 1939, but then it would still be the last full year with the swastika) then it probably, if moved into that section, will qualify. └ OzLawyer / talk ┐ 13:44, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
- It should be good now. Would you edit the article Apollon Smyrnis so that it shows what position the team had in Gamma Ethniki last year (in the infobox)? └ OzLawyer / talk ┐ 14:33, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
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Image:Kleisto oaka3.jpg
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Image:Georgiadis.jpg
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Copyright permission
If what you said on Panarjedde's page is true, please read WP:COPYREQ and do what it suggests and you will have no problem whatsoever. └ OzLawyer / talk ┐ 16:42, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
- Yes, but make sure everything is asked correctly--you have to make sure they know what images you're asking to use, and they must understand they they will be used outside of Wikipedia, since Wikipedia's licence allows others to use content, and that it cannot be a "non-commercial use only" agreement, since those others may make money off of the use. └ OzLawyer / talk ┐ 17:02, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
- Basically, you should use wording similar to the sample letter at WP:COPYREQ#Typical_request_letter_for_confirmation (in fact, you could use that exact wording). └ OzLawyer / talk ┐ 17:05, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Lathos
Καλησπέρα. εδώ Greek Football Amateur Cup και στο 1973 έχεις κάνη λάθος δεν είναι ο Πέλοπας κιάτου αλλά ο ΑΟ Πάτρα. Ο Σπάρτακος το 1990 είναι ομάδα της Θεσσαλονίκης και το 2006 δεν έγινε η διοργάνωση λόγω του ότι η ΕΠΟ δεν είε λεφτά και έψαχνε σπόνσορα που τελικά δεν βρήκε και έτσι το ανέβαλε.--tony esopi patratalk 20:54, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
Iparxi kapoios ( KRBN) o opois diloni Cuprios, ke zitai gia diagrafi sinexeia ellinika ke kipriaka arthra, na ton perimenis tha sou erthei, enimeroseme an se peiraxi.Gia afto ton logo den iparxoun arthra gia to elliniko podosfairo ta zitai sinexeia gia diagrafi ke to petixenei.Exei ke enan filo pou kanei to idio ton (MOUTALOS)
eXO Arxeio gia EPS ke gia olo to elliniko podosfero , agglika den xero an xreiasteis bohthia enimeroseme mporo na bohthiso, ego asxoloyme pio poli stin Elliniki wikipedia me ton athlitismo.--tony esopi patratalk 17:15, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
σΤΗΝ εΛΛΗΝΙΚΉ ΤΙς βΑΘΜΟΛΟΓΊΕς ΕΓΏ ΤΙς ΠΈΡΑΣΑ ΔΙΚΈς ΜΟΥ ΕΊΝΑΙ , ΑΝΤΕΓΡΑΨΈ ΤΕς ΑΝ ΘΈς.--tony esopi patratalk 18:41, 24 November 2006 (UTC)