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... discospinster _talk 16:48, 3 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Norton albums

Hellos João – perhaps I should have been clearer, but my tags on Heavy Light referred to the last two sources that you added to it. The sources from SIC Notícias, MSN and SuperFM are fine, but some of the others can't be used as sources. If you have a look at WP:NALBUM, which states the requirements for an album to be notable, you will see that the sources must be independent from the subject. So you can't use the band's official website, or their record company's website, or any of their social media (Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, Instagram, etc.) because none of this is independent and unbiased. The source also has to be reliable – this means it has to come from an established media source (newspapers, magazines, online music websites, TV or radio) which has professional journalists and editorial control over the publication of the writing. So you can't use fan forums or blogs – Verdadera Locura looks like a blog, because everything on the website is written by one woman. Discogs is not reliable as a source, because anyone can upload information to Discogs, so you can't prove the information on their website is true. We also try and avoid streaming sites like iTunes and Spotify, because these only prove the album exists... it doesn't prove that it is notable, because anyone can upload their music to Apple Music, it doesn't mean they are famous.

I do not doubt that Norton are a notable band, and it looks as though Heavy Light will also be notable – the problem with the article is that at the moment there are very few confirmed details, so we can't write very much about the album except the date of release, 27 March. This is why we advise editors not to create articles too quickly unless we can write more details about them. How do you know the track listing is correct, for example? It hasn't even been announced on the band's website, so you can't prove this is correct. I know you wrote on Discospinster's page that other albums have articles before they are released – this is true, but it's usually because the artist is famous and the album has enough details to write a good article about it... for example, the new Green Day album Father of All Motherfuckers doesn't come out until next Friday, but the track listing has already been confirmed, and it already has reviews from music magazines. At the moment the only thing you can confirm about Heavy Light is the release date – you can't confirm the songs that will be on it, the release dates of the singles, or the recording studios where it was made.

I can see the article for the previous album Norton also has similar problems with using blogs and Discogs as sources. If I get some time I will try and clean them up – they look like they are notable enough to keep the articles, so I won't ask for them to be deleted. Richard3120 (talk) 13:32, 6 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]