User talk:Jessicastelter/sandbox

Hi guys I think a good article to edit will be picture arrangement test and a second choice blanket training as our second choice. What do you guys think?

Jessicastelter (talk) 18:04, 3 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Dr. Council's responses to your questions

For Jessica: Yes, include history. This is a history class, after all. Try to trace back the development of this concept. Images are tricky. You'll have to find an image that is in the public domain. I think you can do this, since picture arrangement tests have been around for a long time. J.R. Council (talk) 04:36, 7 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
For Brooklyn: The Notes section is entirely optional, as far as I am concerned. If you want to do something with it, go for it. Same for see also. I think the purpose of 'See also' could be served by adding links to the article. J.R. Council (talk) 04:36, 7 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
For Jenna: This is a history class. It is a good thing to use older articles, but newer ones are also part of history. For your second question, Jenna, this is not a matter of matching some criterion I have set for the class. Do a good job with what you've got. If there are a lot of references, use them. If not, do what you can. 04:36, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

Dr. Council's comments on Assignment 5

First, a general comment: This group seems to have put minimal effort into this assignment. You have generated much less material than other groups in this class. This is going to make future assignments more difficult. More detail and better organization at this phase of the project will make the article come together much more easily.

You need to do thorough research on this topic, and I can't see that you have. There is not just one picture arrangement test, but many. You need to find out about the different tests that use picture arrangement for the whole test, or subtests, and discuss at least the major ones for this article.
Please work on properly formatting your article for Wikipedia. You will need to do this eventually, and might as well start now.

Comments on specific sections:

To-do list: I see minimal effort here as well.
Outline: I meant for groups to do a proper outline, like this:

I. Main topic

A. Subtopic

1. Sub-sub topic,etc.

Using a traditional outline will make it much easier to organize your material. Your outline needs much more detail.

This article has lot of potential for development. Please add sufficient material to do it justice.

References: Reference citations are not formatted properly for Wikipedia, and are not even consolidated into one section. As you add text later, be sure to use the drop-down menu to attach reference citations in appropriate places and format references properly.
Task commitments: This is satisfactory for the content you've developed so far. However, as I said above, better detail and organization at early stages will make life easier later. J.R. Council (talk) 19:47, 24 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Dr. Council's Comments on Assignments 5 and 6

Please note, some of these comments were made in response to Jessica's questions about Assignment 5, but they defininitely apply to the lead sections you have generated for Assignment 6. J.R. Council (talk) 19:24, 5 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Jessica asked: Is the Tomkins-Horn picture arrangement test the only test Silvan made for the picture arrangement test? because every thing I find on the internet is of Wechleser, WAIS-R, WISC, WISC III, ect. I just dont know where to go for the picture arrangement test. WIkipedia says Silvan created it? But all the other tests are by Wechleser.

The thing to understand here is that picture arrangement test is a generic term. It is a technique. If you want to focus on the Tomkins-Horn Picture Arrangement Test specifically, you should retitle the article to focus on that test. Personally, I do not think this approach would be productive. You won't find that much material on the Tomkins test - it is out of print and no longer in use. The Tomkins test is a personality test, and there are probably other personality tests using this technique. More importantly, there is a long history of using picture arrangement psychological tests in intelligence testing. I googled on picture arrangement psychological test and came up with a number of hits, not just on Wechsler scales either.
My suggestion for a good article is to expand this one, talk about the Tomkins and any other personality tests in a section on picture arrangement in personality testing. Then generate a separate section on picture arrangement in intelligence testing. BTW, an early article is by Bowler in the journal, The Psychological Clinic, vol 11, no. 2, 1917. It describes several early picture arrangement tests. J.R. Council (talk) 19:05, 29 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Assignment 6 lead sections: Most of your lead sections acknowledge that there are other picture arrangement tests besides Tompkins'. However, you are still not following my advice above. Tompkins did not originate the the PA test, and the Tompkins test is not an intelligence test. Don't give Tompkins top billing in the lead. To my knowledge, this test isn't even used any more. The WAIS Picture Arrangement on the WAIS is in current use and is much more important. It was derived from the earlier one referenced above.

Please note: In order to be acceptable, your lead section has to be accurate and logically organized. J.R. Council (talk) 19:24, 5 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Note on grading: I don't see where each of you has commented on each of the others' lead sections. J.R. Council (talk) 19:29, 5 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Dr. Council's comments on Assignment 7

Group 13, I am disappointed in this work. You have obviously not read my comments on the previous assignments. Until you deal with the comments described above, I will not approve this group to develop the main article. J.R. Council (talk) 15:59, 13 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Dr. Council's comments on Assignment 8

Hi Group 13. This is better, but still needs work. My understanding is that Jenna and Brooklyn at least will be meeting with me on this Monday. I will be sure to leave detailed feedback as soon as I can get to it this weekend. J.R. Council (talk) 20:07, 22 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The lead section is definitely better, but still has problems. For example, this sentence does not make sense: "There are multiple sub-tests to the picture arrangement test that include Rorschach, WAIS-R, WISC, and the Tomkins-Horns picture arrangement test." Here are my specific comments on this section:

The title should be Picture Arrangement Test
Picture arrangement is not necessarily either nonverbal or projective. You should start the article with a statement in very general terms, like this: "Picture arrangement is a method used in psychological testing in which the examinee is presented with a set of pictures that can be put together in a certain order that tells a story, like the panels in a comic strip. This method has been applied in both intelligence and personality testing." Then you can go on to describe the kinds of abilities that may be assessed by this method. End the lead by listing the tests which employ picture arrangement.
It is okay to continue the article as you have done, by describing specific tests like the Wechsler scales and the Tompkins test. However, you are missing information about this historical development of picture arrangement tests. This method was in use before Wechsler and Tompkins adopted it.

BTW, detailed information on Wechsler and Tompkins is not necessary. You can just link to the Wikipedia articles on them.

In the talk page section, "Dr. Council's Comments on Assignments 5 and 6," I gave you a reference for an early use of this method. However, you have not followed up on this. I found this by googling "picture arrangement psychological test". Here is the link: https://books.google.com/books?id=NQxKAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA54&lpg=PA54&dq=picture+arrangement+psychological+test&source=bl&ots=XIIwptJiW3&sig=ELAL-WJXLBGmdwUkirMo_dl3_A0&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwij6OeW0qjMAhUlsIMKHQvNAuAQ6AEISzAK#v=onepage&q=picture%20arrangement%20psychological%20test&f=false. This article gives a history of the technique. The same search turned up a book called Psychological Examining in the United States Army: Edited by Robert M. Yerkes, which also gives some background. Both of these publications are free on Google books. J.R. Council (talk) 01:37, 25 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Further Comments on Assignment 8

At this point, you have generated a good lead section, so I'll give you credit for completing Assignment 7. Please note that it still needs reference citations for several statements.
The rest of the article is improving, but is still not developed to the point where I feel comfortable sending it to Ian at Wiki Ed.

History: This section is poorly written and really says little or nothing about the historical development of picture arrangement tests. I have given you two references for relevant sources (Bowler and Yerkes), and there is no evidence that you have even looked at them. I will add more later on other sections. J.R. Council (talk) 20:35, 29 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Wechsler Intelligence Scales Test: This section is not ready either. Needs proofreading. Title should just be Wechsler Intelligence Scales. Digit symbol is not a picture arrangement test. More later.J.R. Council (talk) 22:06, 29 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

More comments First of all, I must note that there are so many grammatical errors, typos, etc., that I don't have time to list them all. This article needs to be carefully proofread and corrected by someone who has good writing skills before it can be published. I will confine my remarks to the content of specific sections. Going on from above:

Lead: I missed this before. The Rorschach test has nothing to do with picture arrangement.
David Wechsler: This section is poorly written, not about David Wechsler, and not very relevant to the article. You can just delete it. If someone is interested in Wechsler or the test, they can just click on the links.
Tomkins-Horn Picture Arrangement Intelligence Test: First of all, this is not an intelligence test. And "Intelligence Test" is not in the actual title of the test.
Silvan Tompkins: This is not relevant to the main article. Just put in a link to Sylvan Tompkins for anyone interested in finding out more about him.
Medical Uses: A better section title would be "Neuropsychological testing." This is interesting material and worth including in the article. However it does not have a proper reference citation. If the '10' at the end is supposed to point to reference 10 in the list, the title of that article does not seem relevant.
Criticisms: In the preceding text, you don't really discuss picture arrangment as a measure of social intelligence. Unless you do, it doesn't make sense to criticize the test for not being a good measure of social intelligence.

I'm sorry, but I can't forward this work to Ian. You can keep on working on it and I will give you credit. Unfortunately, I don't think you can make it acceptable without a lot of work. J.R. Council (talk) 03:53, 2 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]