User talk:Jeffreycohn

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Again, welcome! Jytdog (talk) 18:14, 12 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Username issue

Welcome to Wikipedia. I noticed that your username, "Addressourmessaom", may not comply with our username policy. Please note that you may not use a username that represents the name of a company, group, organization, product, or website. Examples of usernames that are not allowed include "XYZ Company", "MyWidgetsUSA.com", and "Foobar Museum of Art". However, you are invited to use a username that contains such a name if it identifies you personally, such as "Jack Smith at XYZ Company", "Mark at WidgetsUSA", or "FoobarFan87".

Please also note that Wikipedia does not allow accounts to be shared by multiple people, and that you may not advocate for or promote any company, group, organization, product, or website, regardless of your username. Moreover, I recommend that you read our conflict of interest guideline. If you are a single individual and are willing to contribute to Wikipedia in an unbiased manner, please create a new account or request a change of username, by completing this form, that complies with our username policy. If you believe that your username does not violate our policy, please leave a note here explaining why. Thank you. Jytdog (talk) 16:25, 12 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Spam

Please do not add inappropriate external links to Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a collection of links, nor should it be used for advertising or promotion. Inappropriate links include, but are not limited to, links to personal websites, links to websites with which you are affiliated (whether as a link in article text, or a citation in an article), and links that attract visitors to a website or promote a product. See the external links guideline and spam guideline for further explanations. Because Wikipedia uses the nofollow attribute value, its external links are disregarded by most search engines. If you feel the link should be added to the page, please discuss it on the associated talk page rather than re-adding it. Thank you. Jytdog (talk) 16:25, 12 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Conflict of interest in Wikipedia

Hi Jeffrey I work on conflict of interest issues here in Wikipedia. Your edits to date are all about trying to get clutterhoardingcleanup.com mentioned in Wikipedia. That editing, and of course your prior username, make it clear that you are with that company. I'm giving you notice of our Conflict of Interest guideline and Terms of Use, and will have some comments and requests for you below.

Hello, Jeffreycohn. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on Wikipedia, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a COI may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. In particular, please:

avoid editing or creating articles related to you and your circle, your organization, its competitors, projects or products;
instead propose changes on the talk pages of affected articles (see the {{request edit}} template);
when discussing affected articles, disclose your COI (see WP:DISCLOSE);
avoid linking to the Wikipedia article or website of your organization in other articles (see WP:SPAM);
exercise great caution so that you do not violate Wikipedia's content policies.

In addition, you must disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation (see WP:PAID).

Please familiarize yourself with relevant policies and guidelines, especially those pertaining to neutral point of view, sourcing and autobiographies. Thank you.

Comments and requests

Wikipedia is a widely-used reference work and managing conflict of interest is essential for ensuring the integrity of Wikipedia and retaining the public's trust in it. As in academia, COI is managed here in two steps - disclosure and a form of peer review. Please note that there is no bar to being part of the Wikipedia community if you want to be involved in articles where you have a conflict of interest; there are just some things we ask you to do (and if you are paid, some things you need to do).

Disclosure is the most important, and first, step. While I am not asking you to disclose your identity (anonymity is strictly protecting by our WP:OUTING policy) would you please explicitly disclose that you work for clutterhoardingcleanup.com? You can answer how ever you wish (giving personally identifying information or not), but please state this. After you respond (and you can just reply below), perhaps we can talk a bit about editing Wikipedia, to give you some more orientation to how this place works. Please reply here - I am watching this page. Thanks! Jytdog (talk) 18:13, 12 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yes I do work for clutterhoardingcleanup.com. The nature of the hoarding cleanup business is a bit different than most businesses. We have to work not only as cleaners, but also as a counselor. If you look at our site clutterhoardingcleanup.com or another companies' as example hoardingcleanup.com (widely regarded as a hoarding resource not a cleaning company, but they do offer cleaning services), you will see it's hard to separate the business side from the helping side. Our site does have many informational resources regarding helping a hoarding behavior as well as listing our business services.

I am new to wikipedia and I didn't know about citing my potential edits with a conflict of interest tag, I will have to read the rules a bit better. I am sure I can contribute to the hoarding behavior section with useful information with the years of experience I have acquired working in the business.

Thank You Jeffreycohn (talk) 18:42, 12 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for replying! We love experts and it will be great to have you. It does take time to learn the ins and outs of this place, and I am grateful for your openness to talking and willingness to figure out this strange place. You might find out essay for introducing experts to Wikipedia, WP:EXPERT, to be helpful, btw)

First of all, I just want to be up front with you - it is very unlikely that we (the editing community) will be able to use your website the way you have suggested, due to our sourcing policies and guidelines (which I will say more about in a bit - but if you want to jump right to that, you can read WP:MEDRS which is our guideline that defines acceptable sources for content about health. I also have written an essay explaining why that guideline exists, called WP:Why MEDRS? that you can read too, if you like). But i just wanted to be upfront about that. What I would like to do with you, is walk through the whole COI process here, and then help you get oriented to the guts of this place so that you understand how we do things...this process generally takes about five back-and-forths depending on how it goes.

So...

Thanks again for making that disclosure. So you have a COI with regard to the field in which clutterhoardingcleanup.com operates.

To finish the disclosure piece, would you please add the disclosure to your user page which is User:Jeffreycohn (a redlink, because you haven't written anything there yet). Just something simple like: "I work for clutterhoardingcleanup.com and have a conflict of interest with regard to services offered to people with that disorder" would be fine. If you want to add anything else there that is relevant to what you want to do in WP feel free to add it. (see WP:USERPAGE for guidance if you like).

I added a tag to the Compulsive hoarding article's talk page, so the disclosure is done there. Once you disclose on your user page, the disclosure piece of this will be done.

As I noted above, there are two pieces to COI management in WP. The first is disclosure. The second is what I call "peer review". This piece may seem a bit strange to you at first, but if you think about it, it will make sense. In Wikipedia, editors can immediately publish their work, with no intervening publisher or standard peer review -- you can just create an article, click save, and viola there is a new article, and you can go into any article, make changes, click save, and done. No intermediary - no publisher, no "editors" as that term is used in the real world.

What we ask editors to do who have a COI and want to work on articles where their COI is relevant, is a) if you want to create an article relevant to a COI you have, create the article as a draft, disclose your COI on the Talk page using the appropriate template, and then submit the draft article through the WP:AFC process so it can be reviewed before it publishes; and b) And if you want to change content in any existing article on a topic where you have a COI, we ask you to propose content on the Talk page for others to review and implement before it goes live, instead of doing it directly yourself, and make sure that your COI is disclosed when you do that. (So your impulse in posting at the Talk page was perfect - it just lacked the COI disclosure)

By following those "peer review" processes, editors with a COI can contribute where they have a COI, and the integrity of WP can be protected. We get some great contributions that way, when conflicted editors take the time to understand what kinds of proposals are OK under the content policies. (which I will say more about, if you want).

I hope that makes sense to you.

I want to add here that per the WP:COI guideline, if you want to directly update simple, uncontroversial facts (for example, correcting the facts about where the company has offices) you can do that directly in the article, without making an edit request on the Talk page. Just be sure to always cite a reliable source for the information you change, and make sure it is simple, factual, uncontroversial content.

Will you please agree to follow the peer review processes going forward, when you want to work on the Compulsive hoarding article or any article where your COI is relevant? Do let me know, and if anything above doesn't make sense I would be happy to discuss. And if you want me to quickly go over the content policies, I can do that. Just let me know. Thanks! Jytdog (talk) 03:27, 13 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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