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Proposed deletion of Sayed Ahmad Haqbeen

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Proposed deletion of D-Agree

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This doesn't seem notable: the only source is co-written by the creator of the system, and I can't find better (independent) sources online.

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D-Agree moved to draftspace

We need to show significant coverage in reliable secondary sources. Many of the sources on this article are inappropriate: We cannot use primary research, government documents and sources which may not be independent of the subject.

Your submission at Articles for creation: D-Agree (January 11)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Slywriter was:

This submission reads more like an essay than an encyclopedia article. Submissions should summarise information in secondary, reliable sources and not contain opinions or original research. Please write about the topic from a neutral point of view in an encyclopedic manner.

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Artifacts of text copied (and then reworded) from sources exist (Source 10) Media Section should be used as sources or not all.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

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Slywriter (talk) 04:06, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Some friendly tips

Greetings @ Jawad Haqbeen,

You seem to be older Wikipedian than me over here but less regular isn't it? May be you are already taking care but still as matter of due care I would like to suggest following.

a) to avoid writing on persons too close to you and institutions you yourself work for. If you are related to some one or institution, always ask some one else to reedit such drafts before submitting in main space. Because wikipedia expects avoiding 'conflict of interest' and being a researcher you are already likely to know importance of the same in knowledge segment.

b) Preferably use independent and credible secondary sources.

It is quite likely you are already taking care of the above things. I felt to share these tips for your smooth sailing in Wikipedia editing in times to come.

Last but not least by chance do you know Dari language then please let me know, may be I can request some encyclopedic help.

With best wishes and warm regards

Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 09:10, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @Bookku,

Thank you for the message and tips. I will try to follow it.

haha really? I wrote my first wiki article in Feb, 2015.

Yes. I know it. It is my native language. Please feel free to ask me anything.

Sincerely,

Jawad Jawad Haqbeen (talk) 14:29, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks @ Jawad Haqbeen,

You are from technologies side and encyclopedic work in that side too is equally important, so I will avoid much of my humanities related requests but one info is needed from history of Dari language.

I do have a linguistics related article Draft:Aurat (word) As you know some languages (like Urdu/ Hindi) use word 'Aurat' for 'women' in South Asia and some other languages neighboring Iran too. From other refs, it seems most probably word traveled through Persian language in medieval times (to neighboring languages), while then center of political power had influences from Dari language area. So I am looking for inputs in the article Draft:Aurat (word) from historical linguistics point of view. I know you are from technology side but by any chance if you come across any academic information from Iranian or Afghan universities regarding the word Aurat at any point of time then please do help in updating the article Draft:Aurat (word) with relevant references.

Thanks and warm regards with good greetings and wishes.

Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 17:15, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@BookkuYour welcome. No worries. Fortunately I know Urdu/Hindi and Persian/Dari Language is my native language, also daily level of Arabic.

In general Aurat is said to be vulnerable to anything that is subject to supervision. In Islamic culture (Persian, Arabic, Urdu which i know), an Aurat refers to the points of the human body (women and men) that need to be covered by a non-mahram. The boundaries of Aurat are different in different Islamic religions (such as Islam and Judaism). Traditionally Aurat is referred to women in Pakistan, and refers to all points of the women body except face in Afghanistan. But as per Taliban ideology Aurat is all women body including face, but there is arguments over this points.

The Aurat of man, according to Sunni scholars, are considered to be the only private part of body. So both men and women have aurat parts.

OK. I will do my best to find some time to update the article.

Sincerly,

Jawad Jawad Haqbeen (talk) 00:59, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Bookku Can I request some encyclopedic help? Could you please visit D-Agree delation discussion page and check what is problem? Actually I tried to ensure general notability guidelines but it seems still there are some problems? Jawad Haqbeen (talk) 04:55, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings @ Jawad Haqbeen,

I have added my comment to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/D-Agree

If you have not updated article or the draft with ""Ito, T., Suzuki, S., Yamaguchi, N., Nishida, T., Hiraishi, K., & Yoshino, K. (2020). D-Agree: Crowd Discussion Support System Based on Automated Facilitation Agent. Proceedings of the AAAI Conference on Artificial Intelligence, 34(09), 13614-13615. https://doi.org/10.1609/aaai.v34i09.7094" " if not yet covered then try updating with this source, if it is relevant enough. Because that will be considered independent source.

Do not copy paste content even written in your own research paper unless in the research paper it self is making clear needful declaration matching copyright free expectations of Wikipedia. If such declaration does not exist then you will need to rewrite even your own write up too in different words of course for other content too always rewrite in your own words but give reference from which you are sourcing

As a researcher sister project Wikiversity may be easier for you to contribute your own research, you can invite another co researcher there for review and publish it.

Btw, as such I was expecting deletion discussion at some point of time. (That is why I had requested that other user for review help in advance if you remember). As a researcher it is not limitation of yours, but it is Wikipedia's structural problem. In a private encyclopedia another subject expert will review, make the topic understandable for average audience or at least to students of that stream and accommodate the content, if your content is worth while for that field of knowledge. Since any one can edit Wikipedia and Wikipedians generally do not have subject domain knowledge Wikipedia rules depend upon how much coverage for the topic is there in other independent sources.

Taking expected things I had given some tips earlier to you those too you may keep in mind. I hope my tips would help you in some way.

Wish you happy researching and editing

Warm regards

Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 06:31, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much @Bookku.

I really appreciated your support.

Yes. That might help to include the source you mentioned as an independent source but I am afraid if I do it then they might call it as connected contributors :) So could you please add it by yourself some where after word D-Agree?

OK. I understood your points and instruction and will ensure to follow it accordingly.

best regards,

Jawad Jawad Haqbeen (talk) 07:25, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Okay I will write and you cross check and tell me, if I am not going technically wrong Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 08:23, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@ Jawad Haqbeen, I re reviewed your article, it is not that technical as I thought initially I would be able to handle encyclopedic entry.

Journal references, UN agency reports and The Asahi Shimbun , CNET news reports seem valid references to develop a stub article.
I recommend you to delete references of Municipal corporations websites and advertorials those being influenced sources and not editorially monitored secondary sources.
It will take a week or so to accomplish the task for me looking at the other tasks on my hand

Thanks and best wishes Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 11:11, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much for the support @Bookku

Please feel free to edit, add and delete the content and references.

Best regards,

Jawad Jawad Haqbeen (talk) 11:37, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings again, Just have look @ deletion discussion and see if you have any points to add there. Usually 'deletionists' lobbies do have an upper hand in Wikipedia. If it gets deleted and that seems quite probable, then we will need to think of merging content in other relevant articles, if possible.

Alternatively I would suggest you to take your article content to 'Wikiversity', if you like to since there you won't face same hassles you are facing here.

Also Wikipedia language projects are independent of English Wikipedia so you can try translating the article in other languages Wikipedia if possible.

Cheers

Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 04:29, 3 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @Bookku,

Thank you very much for the time and effort, I really appreciate it.

Don't worry. We did our best to ensure to constructively argue with them and convince them to think about its stay and keep but if article gets deleted no problem.

I don't really understand what does significant coverage means. D-Agree has been reported to more than 100 scientific and media venues.

Recently its demo video accepted and nominated for the most beneficial video for society award at IJCIA/ECAI , 2022.

here is the video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45mMq_SZX90&t=45s

Between, D-Agree has been officially adopted by Kabul city as digital society tool to promote participatory democracy

Here is the one of demo video published by Kabul city official youtube page.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUyAmUxMCIg&t=24s

Great. Understood. I will do it.

Best regards,

Jawad Jawad Haqbeen (talk) 08:49, 3 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Bookku Greeting again, please just have a look at deletion discussion, I replied him/her and sent him/her a list of references (n=25) which reported D-Agree. If he still thinks it is not significant, then we cant continue with the discussion.

better he proceed accordingly.

Best regards, Jawad Haqbeen (talk) 09:49, 3 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@ Jawad Haqbeen, You are already an expert 'crowd sourcing dependent software platform for public utility'; and Wikipedia too is a platform using crowd sourcing for (a little different kind of) public utility. So to the minimum your experience will help you writing a research paper on Wikipedia, and I am not joking but would seriously suggest so. And if at all you decide write at any point of time let me know I would be happy to share more inputs with you.

Warm regards

Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 10:11, 3 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Bookku Thanks. My colleague here at Kyoto University already conducted some research on Wikipedia. You can find her paper link here:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/dh2j8io5eziccj9/Identifying%20Collaborative%20Editing%20Traits%20and%20Phases%20in%20Good%20Wikipedia%20Articles.pdf?dl=0

Best regards Jawad Haqbeen (talk) 00:52, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

And a little more

Greetings @Jawad Haqbeen,

Most probably you might be a little tired by now but just for research and record purpose, if possible, I wish to take the deletion discussion through one more discussion round @ WP:DRN since WP:GNG states ".. "Significant coverage" addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content. Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material. .." here is differentiation how we look @ Paragraph in UN report, which according to us supposed to suffice for a stub article.

Meanwhile I have sought help @ humanities discussion board, for info regarding existing article names about 'public utility products or services', specifically launched and supported by any public university.

Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 07:50, 11 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings @Bookku,

I really appreciate your kind support.

That is great. I think our published sources and reports which sited D-Agree must fulfill the requirement which raised by Significant coverage.

Here I will post the list of publication which I posted in delation discussion as well.

1.[1]; [2]; [3]; [4]; [5]; [6];

[7]; [8]; [9]; [10]; [11]

I am not a co-author in above mentioned sources.

Regarding your seeking information I think you can see article bellow

[12]

This is a project which initiated, developed and deployed by one of our department colleague Prof. Toru Ishida at Kyoto University

Best regards, Jawad Haqbeen (talk) 08:15, 11 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Bookku Look this was also one of Kyoto University project and has only with five references (three Prof. Toru own publication and two his NPO site) has sufficed for a stub article. Now the question is that why one of our university project with only five reference can be accepted for a stub article and another project which has enough reference can not. Jawad Haqbeen (talk) 08:21, 11 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, We may also look for projects by other universities too for some level of encyclopedic notability comparison. Regards Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 09:02, 11 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Bookku Correct. I updated and rewrite some part of D-Agree page, especially funding part could you please read it? Jawad Haqbeen (talk) 03:00, 12 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sandbox

Greetings again,

I will make it the article much shorter like stub un till we complete WP:DRN . I think it takes more to make the article encyclopedic and then Wikipedia has many rules and many inflexibiles too.

As of now I am shifting content to your personal sandbox @ User:Jawad Haqbeen/sandbox D-Agree you update there I will pick up appropriate refs and content from there.

Warm regards

Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 07:03, 12 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings @Bookku

Thank you very much for the support. Sure. Understood.

best regards, Jawad Haqbeen (talk) 07:30, 12 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Translation request

Greetings once more @ Jawad Haqbeen

Requesting Japanese to English translation (human assisted translation and not just machine translation) of following first 4 paragraphs of the news appeared in The Asahi Shimbun https://globe.asahi.com/article/14421938.

Para 1 :".. チャットサイトは「D-Agree（ディー・アグリー）」。ITベンチャー企業「AGREEBIT」（名古屋市、桑原英人社長）と、同社CTOの伊藤孝行氏が研究室を持つ京都大と名古屋工業大、科学技術振興機構が共同して開発した。 .. "

Para 2: ".. 大勢の参加者が議論し、多種多様な意見をAIのファシリテーターによって適切な合意形成につなげることを狙ったシステムだ。.."

Para 3: ".. 開発には、伊藤氏の教え子で、名古屋工業大大学院博士課程で学ぶアフガニスタン出身のジャワド・ハクビンさんが関わっていたことから2020年2月、彼のつながりでアフガン人若者をユーザーとする実証実験を開始。現在は10代後半から20代の男女約1万人が参加するまでになった。 .."

Para 4 :".. ユーザーたちは英語ができ、女性の参加も多い。桑原社長は「アフガニスタンでは女性の権利が抑制されてきた過去があり、このシステムを使えば女性でも平等に意見が表明できることを試したかった」と話す。 .."

Thanks and regards Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 10:18, 12 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings @Bookku

Thank you for the effort. Sure please find bellow Japanese translation.

. Para 1: "D-Agree is a discussion forum which was developed at AgreeBit and supported by Japan Science and Technology, a Nagoya Institute of Technology and Kyoto University IT startup located in Nagoya city. The CEO of startup is Hideto Kuwahara and CTO is Takayuki Ito. The development mainly carried at Ito Lab at Nagoya Institute of Technology and Kyoto University."

. Para 2: "It is a system based on an automated facilitation agent which aims to lead discussion among large number of participants with variety of opinion reach agreement."

. Para 3: "In February 2020, D-Agree has been used to connect Afghanistan citizen which was facilitated by Ito's lab member Jawad Haqbeen from Afghanistan and a doctoral student at Nagoya Institute of Technology. D-Agree used to conduct an actual demonstration experiment in Afghanistan. Currently, over 10000 Afghan citizens (female and male in their 20s) have connected and using D-Agree."

. Para 4: "The participants can submit their opinion in English and many women were among participants. Kawahara said that one of aims to use D-Agree is to provide meaningful participation, particularly for women in Afghanistan. In Afghanistan, due to culture issues, women are restricted from joining male-dominated face-to-face meetings. Jawad Haqbeen (talk) 01:35, 13 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

In other language Wikipedias

Greetings @Jawad Haqbeen

I have updated the article D-Agree as stub article. (I have requested grammar related copy edit support to some users and also submitted updated comment at the relevant deletion discussion).

Irrespective of subjectivity of individual English language Wikipedian's usually my latest update is supposed to pass as acceptable stub to most other language Wikipedias like Persian, Urdu, Pashto and Japanese. Since you are likely to know later two languages closely enough I will advice you to translate the article D-Agree into Japanese Wikipedia and Pashto language Wikipedia and also to other languages later on.

I hope this helps

Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 09:20, 13 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings @Bookku,

Thank you very much. Great. To me it seems acceptable as stub.

That is good idea, I will consider to translate it for other languages.

By the way, I know Urdu and Persian as well.

Thank you Jawad Haqbeen (talk) 01:14, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings @Jawad Haqbeen

Since result of deletion discussion is unknown, I copy pasted present stub version of the article to earlier mentioned sand box in your user space. So if at all English Wikipedia article gets deleted still it would be possible to translate the same in other language Wikipedias

Thanks and warm regards

Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 10:45, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings @Bookku,

Thank you so much. Understood. Jawad Haqbeen (talk) 01:24, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings @Bookku, I added two very much independent sources such as from NTT Communications and Nikkan Kogyo Shimbun.

In addition, could you please check one of my interview regarding D-Agree research which published NHK World-Japan, here [13]. Can we add it as source?

Also, could check this one [14] Jawad Haqbeen (talk) 04:12, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings again @Jawad Haqbeen,

NTT is unlikely to work since they seem to be partners so unlikely to be considered as independent.
Nikkan, I could not see entire article, may be since I do not know Japanese and Goggle translate did not work directly on that site. *
Your interview @ NHK is considered primary source again Wikipedians are usually are reluctant to accept audio and video as sources
The last one to seems interview considered primary source so not enough for confirming notability
* You might feel some of these rules strange, by now is you are thinking in this much effort you could have written a research paper or trained employees of two more municipal corporations then that is not entirely wrong. That is Wikipedia's structural limitation as I said earlier.
* That is why I suggested you to write article on Japanese Wikipedia so it will be easier for Japanese Wikipedians to evaluate Japanese references. Regards Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 06:10, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the swift response. Nikkan requires subscription to read full article. The main cause to continue this argument is that despite that D-Agree noted at least by two top leading Japanese newspaper (Asahi and Nikkan) and UN report, it considered non-notable which is very funny.

Yes, true. I am not available to continue the discussion here anymore because I know I couldn't handle and am busy too.

Once again I appreciate your consideration and effort on D-Agree. Best regards, Jawad Haqbeen (talk) 06:29, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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