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January 2012 Newsletter for WikiProject United States and supported projects

The January 2012 issue of the WikiProject United States newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you.

 
--Kumi-Taskbot (talk) 19:06, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Your comment

I saw your comment on Jimmy's talk page. Your "Ha!" comment that I'm somehow a jackass came across as childish in praising him for insulting me. Grow up.♦ Dr. Blofeld 09:52, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

You were being a jerk and you got called on it. Maybe instead of coming after me, you should ask yourself, did I deserve those comments? Could I have possibly stated my position in a less bitey manner? Maybe, somehow? --JaGatalk 17:04, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

Now THAT deserves an Award!

The Wikipedia Bot Builder Award
A wee thank you for DPL bot. You have no idea how much time she's going to save me! Thanks a million JaGa. Haruth (talk) 10:47, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
Thanks so much for the message! Cheers, --JaGatalk 02:20, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
Thanks, today your bot noticed that I had linked to Columbia (massive disambiguation page) instead of Colombia (the country in South America). :) Banaticus (talk) 19:31, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks

Yup, didn't intend to go to the disambiguation page. Thanks for catching it (or making the bot that caught it) :) Red Fiona (talk) 12:52, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Great! I'm glad you liked it. Cheers, --JaGatalk 19:12, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Mildred Seydell

Dear JaGa: Please take a look. If you go to User_Talk:LadyofShalott, there are more details. The article has now turned into a "copyright violation investigation." I am frankly appalled. I replied here. If I can reach you with an e-mail (you can reach me via wikipedia e-mail), I can send you the two reports I got from Desktop Plagiarism checker. Sigh. If you would please take a look, it would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 01:08, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Looks like some bot confusion that got cleared up by Moonriddengirl before I even saw this. Sorry you had to go through accusations like that; I think everyone involved was acting in good faith, but all the same it led to useless stress and wasted time. (On the plus side, I found and fixed a dablink to Roswell. Also, the tool did some auto-fixes to references.) --JaGatalk 18:40, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
It's actually a better article for all the editorial masturbation, although only marginally so. They were using the wrong tools for the wrong reasons. Shotgun to kill a flea, so to speak. Thanks for fixing the errant link. Did you ever even consider that the Roswell incident might be pertinent? Just kidding. Alls well that ends well, I guess. Best regards. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 18:45, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

And today's technical problem with the Uncategorized Articles list is...

There are four articles which were all deleted on January 21, but are on the uncategorized articles list as of January 28 — and all four of them absolutely refuse to drop from the list, no matter how many times I undelete, tag, vandalize, detag, retag, redelete, reundelete, redetag, revandalize and reredelete them. They are:

Any chance you can figure out what the bleeding beep is going on? Bearcat (talk) 07:57, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

The problem is in the enwiki_p database. I ran this query:

mysql> select * from enwiki_p.page where page_title='Rob_Shift' and page_namespace=0\G
         page_id: 34446861
  page_namespace: 0
      page_title: Rob_Shift
page_is_redirect: 0
     page_is_new: 1
     page_random: 0.657737940816
    page_touched: 20120121190942
     page_latest: 472475998
        page_len: 58
1 row in set (0.00 sec)
Now, that row shouldn't be there after the article has been deleted. (To verify, I found an article up for speedy deletion, Alec Michod, verified its existence in enwiki_p.page, deleted it, and verified that the row was gone.) I mentioned it at VP-technical; maybe someone there can clean it up. --JaGatalk 20:00, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
OK, so apparently there's some data corruption on one of the Toolserver copies of EN wiki. They should clear it up soon; we'll just have to wait until it's taken care of. --JaGatalk 23:42, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Abolakara editing

Hello! I just wrote 'Master'. I did not add any link to disambiguation page 'Master'. You are free to remove the link. Signed by SatyamMithya. I cannot type tildes. It is not working. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SatyamMithya (talk • contribs) 14:58, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

You can also click the blue pencil icon (left of the bracket icon) to auto-sign. I'll answer about the dab link on your talk. --JaGatalk 20:06, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Prof with occasional need for chem drawing in wiki articles, can we partner?

See me here: Wikipedia:WikiProject Chemistry/Participants My work email is my username, plus " ATnorthwestern.edu ". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Meduban (talk • contribs) 22:59, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you!

Hi JaGa, i wasn't too sure how to send u reply to your message so i thought we could discuss it over coffee as when looking at your profile the heart icon appeared :) I too don't want to get into an edit war either, however i don't particularly want to change or remove the information that has been put on there. There was I do agree with you that it goes into the disambiguation page yes, however.. there are many pages that are set out in the same page format as Lana (given name) if you could look at Geoffrey (given name) for me, you will see the same table of contents give or take a few different categories ie. military on Geoffrey(given name) & Botanical on Lana(given name) etc. 
So i think we could leave it up there if its not too much of a hassle to you? It is done in accordance with other "given name" pages, & i must say i think its every informative & looks rather nice, so i would like it to stay please :) not simply for those reasons but because there are other "given name" pages that have the same formatted information on them, i do agree there are also ones that have it on the disambiguation page as well or only on the disambiguation page but none the less there are  given name pages that are done exactly the same.

I realy do appreciate the manner in which you have approached me about this i must say also, as u were quiet nice about it & i appreciate that. I can see that there are things u disagree wit about it & I would not like to offend you or to have a conflicting situation arise between myself & anyone for that matter. But i do think that it is okay how i have formatted the page as i have said, because there are other given name pages that are done in the exact same format. so please do give this consideration but do share your thoughts with me on this. If you would like to change it still, perhaps we can do it together? Fliesbi (talk) 22:56, 1 February 2012 (UTC)


This makes me laugh

Ha!. What's a disambiguation page? LOL --User:Woohookitty Disamming fool! 11:34, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

I know it can be opted out of but it's useful. I just find it funny :) --User:Woohookitty Disamming fool! 11:40, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
Heh, yeah, I feel embarrassed every time I see DPL bot going after one of our own - as if they don't know about disambiguation pages! He also notified Sue Gardner once (who didn't bother to fix her dablink, I noticed - it was fixed by you instead!); I'm sure quite a commotion will break loose if he ever has a reason to go after Jimbo. I've been thinking about creating a whitelist for DPL members - would you be interested? --JaGatalk 13:25, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

The Signpost: 06 February 2012

A barnstar for you!

The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
Good Job on DPL bot. You deserve a star. NarratedSignedThis (talk) 00:46, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
Thanks much for the barnstar, Narrated. I appreciate it. --JaGatalk 17:01, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

DAB points

How come im not showing up on the leaderboard? Been doing hordes for the last 3 days.

I've got you for 26 fixes. Unfortunately not all disambig fixes get into the leaderboard; some day I hope to expand its coverage, but for the time being I have to limit it to the dabs listed in the monthly list and the bonus list. If I included all disambigs in the monthly contest, the Toolserver simply couldn't handle it. A year or two down the road, as the number of dablinks drops, it will become feasible.
Also can you put back the edit page on the same window instead of opening a new one>?Lihaas (talk) 05:13, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
Which report were you referring to? I could make a different version that does not open into a new window. --JaGatalk 15:53, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
On the edit page when you have to read the text ctrl+c and then open the window to save it. Could that latter stage just open in the same window. It used to until a few days ago.Lihaas (talk) 04:15, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, JaGa. You have new messages at LittleWink's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Thanks for responding.

Article:Otra Freshwateracidification is marked with red, and there are no present explainationon Wikipedia. That would be the case, if acidification was a problem in the river Otra. Fornuneately it is no problem, as I have explained in the article. My problem is that there is no exact explaination avalable in english, but I thought it was not nessesarry eith further explaination, as long as the acidification problem is not there.

Article: Reiårsfossen This article is translated from the Norwegian Wikipedia, where the article has no references. In the time the legend the article is refering to, a farmers (meaning the farm owner) doughter was ranked higher than a son of workman, a cotter, a farm worker. That rank difference was so wide that it made marrages difficult, evan impossible. Instead of a dowry, was often the future groom sat on a sample, as in this legend, especially in terms of class distinctions. Anyone are welcome to explain this better than I did in my article.

I hope I have met your request.

Hi Carsten. I went ahead and fixed all of the articles mentioned on your talk page so you can see what we're going for. Please though, feel free to ignore or remove those messages from your talk page if they are confusing. Let me know if you have any questions. Cheers, --JaGatalk 16:22, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

MSU Interview

Dear JaGa,

My name is Jonathan Obar user:Jaobar, I'm a professor in the College of Communication Arts and Sciences at Michigan State University and a Teaching Fellow with the Wikimedia Foundation's Education Program. This semester I've been running a little experiment at MSU, a class where we teach students about becoming Wikipedia administrators. Not a lot is known about your community, and our students (who are fascinated by wiki-culture by the way!) want to learn how you do what you do, and why you do it. A while back I proposed this idea (the class) to the community HERE, where it was met mainly with positive feedback. Anyhow, I'd like my students to speak with a few administrators to get a sense of admin experiences, training, motivations, likes, dislikes, etc. We were wondering if you'd be interested in speaking with one of our students.


So a few things about the interviews:

  • Interviews will last between 15 and 30 minutes.
  • Interviews can be conducted over skype (preferred), IRC or email. (You choose the form of communication based upon your comfort level, time, etc.)
  • All interviews will be completely anonymous, meaning that you (real name and/or pseudonym) will never be identified in any of our materials, unless you give the interviewer permission to do so.
  • All interviews will be completely voluntary. You are under no obligation to say yes to an interview, and can say no and stop or leave the interview at any time.
  • The entire interview process is being overseen by MSU's institutional review board (ethics review). This means that all questions have been approved by the university and all students have been trained how to conduct interviews ethically and properly.


Bottom line is that we really need your help, and would really appreciate the opportunity to speak with you. If interested, please send me an email at obar@msu.edu (to maintain anonymity) and I will add your name to my offline contact list. If you feel comfortable doing so, you can post your name HERE instead.

If you have questions or concerns at any time, feel free to email me at obar@msu.edu. I will be more than happy to speak with you.

Thanks in advance for your help. We have a lot to learn from you.

Sincerely,

Jonathan Obar --Jaobar (talk) 07:07, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi JaGa, Thanks to your bot I got wise to a link that went to a disambiguation page on a page that I contributed on. Thank you, I fixed it.
--Fan Singh Long (talk) 16:55, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
Great! Thanks for the note. Cheers, --JaGatalk 20:35, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

The Signpost: 13 February 2012

they were preset for a specific country....

===> your entries for: Mohamadou Bayero Fadil (check to confirm | fix with Dab solver) added links pointing to Far North Region, West Region, East Region, Littoral Region and Bassa <==Please revert your link changes for the page.Blurbzone (talk) 06:50, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Actually, DPL bot didn't make any changes - it was asking you to fix links you had added to Mohamadou Bayero Fadil that point to disambiguation pages instead of articles. I went ahead and made the fixes so you can see what it was looking for. Cheers, --JaGatalk 15:36, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Would You like to Help?

Hi, I am starting Wikipedia:WikiProject Ravidassia. I would like to get help from people who are interested. You may sign up for the project on the [[1]]. McKinseies (talk) 15:10, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Welcome!

Thanks for the feedback. I don't know if I'll be able to maintain this pace, but I'm having fun.
I really appreciate you looking over my edits. I had worried that there might be two Meenas, but I guess I didn't use enough logic to see that one was producing movies before the other was born. I'm trying to be careful but I see that I need to be more careful. IMDb references quite a few Meenas. I'll look into that to see if I can make some sense of it. I'll also go back to the edits I made and revert any that go to the wrong one.
I'm copying this to your talk page. I don't know if that's considered good practice, but another Wikipedian had done that and it made sense to me. Let me know if that's appropriate. I don't want to sound like a lost puppy, but I'd appreciate it if I could ask questions to someone involved in the disambiguation project. Would it be OK if I asked you?
Thank you.SchreiberBike (talk) 21:33, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
Hi SchreiberBike. Indian actors/actresses can be infuriatingly difficult, thanks to their penchant for non-unique single word names. So don't feel bad about that; we'll straighten it out. (BTW, I was glad to see you chose to revert the ones you're unsure of; playing it safe is always the correct course.)
When I left my note, I added your talk page to my watchlist; I think it's reasonable to assume someone who left you a message will watch your page. Responding on the other person's talk is also perfectly fine; it's really a matter of personal preference. I wouldn't do both, though - why don't we just continue our discussion here?
Regarding any questions, disambig or not, fire away! --JaGatalk 18:30, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
First a general question - Am I cheating if I just do the easier ones on the current list? Some are straight forward and others are difficult. Can I just do the easy ones, or should I be working on each one. If everybody skips the tough ones, they will never get done.
A slightly more specific question – I’ve only been moving lines from the “To do” section to the “Done” section after I’ve cleared everything except the “Wikipedia:”, “User:”, “Talk:”, “User talk:”, “(redirect page)”, and “(disambiguation)” links. Is that right or should I also be moving the ones where I’ve dealt with items by posting [disambiguation needed] next to the links?
Finally a real specific question - Today I worked on Locality. I dealt with most by assigning one of the links from the disambiguation page, creating a link to Wiktionary, or removing the link. I’m having trouble where there is a political subdivision called a “Locality”. Those are addressed on the disambiguation page for Australia, Canada, and Sweden, but there appear to be similar versions of “Locality” in England, Argentina, India, Algeria, and Spain. The correct thing to do I suppose would be to learn the details about the use of the word “Locality” in those countries and write articles on them, but I’m not likely to do that. What should I do in this case?
Thank you. SchreiberBike (talk) 06:26, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
  1. By all means, focus on the easy ones. If your contributions to DPL are driven primarily by a sense of duty, you'll eventually burn out, and we don't want that. If on the other hand you participate because it's an enjoyable pastime, you may stick around for the long haul. Myself, I think of dab-fixing as Sudoku That Matters - relaxing, fun puzzles that also happen to improve the greatest encyclopedia in the history of mankind.
  2. When to move to the Done list? Well, there's no hard and fast rule, but I regularly move any disambig with five or fewer links to the Done list. I'd say if you've worked through a disambig list and you've got fewer than ten remaining that require expert attention, go ahead and move it.
  3. If "locality" is being used in the generic English sense, unlink per WP:OVERLINK. If you've determined that there is an administrative unit in Algeria called a "locality", simply use the redlink Locality (Algeria). Redlinks are great since they spur article creation (and especially great since they spur article creation by someone else!) For England, there's some useful information about localities to be had, so I would create a redirect Locality (England) that points to List of localities in England by population. This is better than linking directly to the list article since some day that should probably redirect to an article about British administrative subdivisions. Finally, add any redlinks you use to the Locality disambig. --JaGatalk 08:00, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
Some more questions.
  1. Is there a way to make watchlists work with this project? After I edit a page, I’d like to be able to watch the page for a week or so to see if someone reverts my edit, or if someone completes a disambiguation needed note. At first I had my preferences set to watch every page I edit, but that got to be too much. Now I’m not watching anything unless I specifically click on the star, so I’m not seeing any response.
  2. What about disambiguation pages where there is a lot of description of the word? Example Kismet. People intend to link to the meaning of the word and the meaning of the word is at that page. I could substitute the Wiktionary link, but to my reading the definition is better at Wikipedia.
  3. If I need to go out to the wider Internet to figure out the right link to disambiguate to, should I be adding a reference to that source?
Thank you. SchreiberBike (talk) 17:21, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
  1. AFAIK, a self-updating "everything I've edited in the last week" watchlist is an intriguing idea, but nothing like that exists at present. You may want to bring it up at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical), but be warned, they aren't always friendly there.
  2. Kismet is an interesting one. For starters, WP:MOSDAB states a disambig should not contain content like that. It should start with "Kismet may refer to:" and jump into a list of article titles from there. The question for us is, does the content merit its own article? My inclination is yes, but we have to be careful since we're wading into Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a dictionary territory. I'll bring it up at DPL.
  3. Regarding addition of a source, well, it's a nice thing to do, but I have to admit I don't always do that myself. I wouldn't worry too much about it, to be completely honest. Wiki maintenance work is a lot like an assembly line; we work on one aspect, and rely on others to finish other tasks. If you enjoy adding sources, by all means do it; but if you consider it a chore, it's OK if you don't feel like doing it. --JaGatalk 23:23, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
Another question. What tools do you recommend for disambiguating? Thank you. SchreiberBike (talk) 00:31, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

It depends on what I'm doing. If I'm working on the bonus list, for instance, I exclusively use Dab Solver, far and away the best disambiguating tool out there. If I'm going through a list of links to a single dab, and I expect a large percentage of those fixes to go to a single target, my approach is a bit more involved. Let's say I'm going through Mughal, a frequent visitor to our lists. Most of those links will be fixed with Mughal Empire, but many will not. I would first go through the list in WP:AWB (approval required for use) but skip each one that should go to Mughal Empire. Finally, I would use WP:WikiCleaner to finish the lot. This powerful tool is great for mass-dabfixing; for my example, I would say "replace [[Mughal]] with [[Mughal Empire|Mughal]] for each article in the list". Then it cranks through the list, automatically doing each submission for you. This is much faster than AWB, where you have to submit each dabfix yourself, one at a time. --JaGatalk 04:14, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Sorry for stalking but that's very useful information that deserves an essay somewhere. I've applied for AWB - thanks! By the way, few English people would know that technical meaning of locality; most would assume the vague dictionary definition. I would also welcome a second, temporary watch list for this sort of edit. Certes (talk) 20:26, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
It would be neat to gather the disambiguation strategies of several DPL contributors. Each person seems to have a unique focus and approach. Woohookitty concentrates on the monthly list, JustAGal the bonus; DB2412 has many interests with a specialization in WP:CONCEPTDABs; R'n'B always has an eye on the big picture and new developments; JamesAM, well, I've never been able to figure out his methodology, and would love to understand it. I'll give it a think. --JaGatalk 20:31, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
JaGa, I don't have a new question for now, but I wanted to thank you for all the work you did answering my questions earlier. I'm having a good time disambiguating. Thanks. SchreiberBike (talk) 05:48, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
Funny you messaged me then. At the exact moment when I got the "new message" notification, I was checking DPL to see how you were doing. Second place by a hair! That's going to come down to the wire. It's been fun to watch, and I must say I've been impressed with your rapid development. Cheers, --JaGatalk 05:57, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
JaGa, some new questions. I'm still having fun disambiguating and I really appreciate having someone to ask. First, are we supposed to be disambiguating (examples in the links) Category, Portal, and File pages? Wikipedia:Disambiguation pages with links#How to help number 4 only mentions Article and Template pages, but not the ones I mentioned above. Second question, what happens to the disambiguation pages with a lot of links which are difficult to attack? There are many where I don't feel like I can make a significant change, so I pass on them. Thanks SchreiberBike (talk) 04:34, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Cool bot

I replied to it on my talk page :D --Mistress Selina Kyle (Α⇔Ω ¦ ⇒✉) 11:04, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Invitation to events: bot, template, and Gadget makers wanted

I thought you might want to know about some upcoming events where you can learn more about MediaWiki customization and development, extending functionality with JavaScript, the future of ResourceLoader and Gadgets, the new Lua templating system, how to best use the web API for bots, and various upcoming features and changes. We'd love to have power users, bot maintainers and writers, and template makers at these events so we can all learn from each other and chat about what needs doing.

Check out the Chennai event in March, the Berlin hackathon in June, the developers' days preceding Wikimania in July in Washington, DC, or any other of our events.

Best wishes! - Sumana Harihareswara, Wikimedia Foundation's Volunteer Development Coordinator. Please reply on my talk page, here or at mediawiki.org. Sumanah (talk) 15:31, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

DPL bot

Note to say bot does not seem to be editing User:JaGa/Short leaderboard, but is editing elsewhere, notifying users etc. Why is this? I can't find any replag. Rcsprinter (talk to me) 11:46, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Every once in a while a script dies (or gets killed) at just the right moment to prevent the script from running again until I clear out some tables. (For the curious lurker, I don't allow the script to run if the table ch_t_results exists, to avoid using up max database connections when scripts are hanging.) Thanks much for letting me know; I've done the needful, and the script should start running again on the hour. --JaGatalk 20:35, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for fixing that! Greetings LittleWink (talk) 21:30, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
  • And again. Rcsprinter (warn) 17:49, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
    • Looks like they're in the middle of some "major Toolserver maintenance", so everything is going to be down probably until some time tomorrow (Saturday). I'll keep an eye on it. Thanks for the heads up. Cheers, --JaGatalk 01:31, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
      • Update: Toolserver is still under maintenance. None of my scripts can run right now. Should be fixed today... --JaGatalk 16:33, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
        • Really? I was just able to log in on willow, and scripts seem to be running normally. Db access worked, too. (Related idea: maybe you could write up a toolserver script that would remotely reset your database tables when things get jammed up, and have it activated by a password that you could share with some other trusted users.) --R'n'B (call me Russ) 16:40, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Those deleted articles

As of today, those four deleted articles I asked about last month are still on the uncats list (for reminder's sake, they were Rob Shift, Summer Fun (2012 film), The Adventures of Miranda O. and The Part of Awesome) — and I've tried the undelete, tag, detag, redelete cycle again but they still won't drop. Is there any chance you could just add them to an exclusions list of some kind at your end, instead of waiting, waiting, waiting for the technical issue to be resolved at the server level? Just for the record, the issue hasn't affected any new articles besides those four. Bearcat (talk) 18:17, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Ergh, that's what I get for taking other people's word that "it'll get taken care of". As soon as I get a chance (measured in days) I'll hard-code them out of the scripts. Bloody annoying and bad programming, but what can you do? --JaGatalk 01:43, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
Update: Right now the Toolserver is undergoing some "major maintenance". I'm going to wait to see if that clears up our problem. If not, I'll hard-code the fix. --JaGatalk 16:49, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
Still nothing. I finally got fed up with waiting on the Toolserver admins and hard-coded the page IDs out of the scripts. You shouldn't see them any more - please let me know if you do. Also, my apologies for the frustration this has caused. --JaGatalk 16:14, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
They were still on the list when I started today's batch a few hours ago, but appear to finally have dropped in a page refresh. Nice timing! I'll let you know if by some weird quirk of computer programming they come back in a future batch, however. Bearcat (talk) 18:39, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

The Signpost: 20 February 2012

Kisses On The Bottom

Re your notice: I find the link for Billy Hill does not take me to a disambiguation page, it takes me directly to _http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Hill_%28songwriter%29_ . RjCan

RJCan 09:12, 23 February 2012 (UTC) .

Hi RjCan, you're right, but that's because an IP fixed the link some time after DPL bot sent you the message. --JaGatalk 15:32, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Thank you so much

Thanks for letting me know about the bad link to Saranac with your DPL bot. I found an even more cool external historical link and I plan on creating a new page now about the Saranac Laboratory!! I will enjoy reading your user page and learning more new amazing stuff about how to keep wikipedia amazing!

Gofigure41 13:17, 23 February 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gofigure41 (talk • contribs)

Fantastic! Thanks for the message. --JaGatalk 15:33, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

richard edgar-wilson

cofused! no reference to grahan johnson on the page — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rwbain (talk • contribs) 23:07, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi Rwbain. The link to Graham Johnson was in the fourth paragraph of the "Life and career" section. That link has since been fixed by another user. --JaGatalk 15:50, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Apologies. Neilbeach (talk) 11:10, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

No worries! The bot is only intended to help; please feel free to disregard it if you wish. Thanks for the message. --JaGatalk 15:50, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

The Signpost: 27 February 2012

New member

Hello. I am a new member of Wikipedia's registered user community.

Have a great day!

--MaxAMSC (talk) 02:07, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

DAB Challenge

Hourly and daily updates have gone away again .... --R'n'B (call me Russ) 13:16, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Up and running again. Of course it chose to go down when I went out of town for a weekend. I'll try to get that "allow-others-to-clear-ch_t_results" page together. --JaGatalk 20:56, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
I'm glad it was just a long weekend (which you no doubt deserve) and not anything more serious.  :-) Another option we could consider is setting up a Multi-Maintainer Project on the Toolserver for your disambig tools, my reports, and any other related projects. That would allow us to have a group of a few different users who could re-start or modify any of the tools. Interested? --R'n'B (call me Russ) 21:33, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
Maybe... do you have a link for it? I've heard about the multi-account thing but never read much about it. --JaGatalk 21:39, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
[2] - it's actually a bit clearer and more helpful than most of the TS documentation! --R'n'B (call me Russ) 22:04, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Passenger Pigeon

Jaga, please check the links. Cheers. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 13:19, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Perfecto! Cheers, --JaGatalk 20:57, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the clean bill of health! As a great person once said, "It's better to be rich and healthy than it is to be poor and sick." 7&6=thirteen (☎) 21:01, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
Ha! Good one. --JaGatalk 21:39, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

The Signpost: 05 March 2012

A barnstar for you!

The da Vinci Barnstar
For your administration of the DPL bot, which significantly serves to improve Wikipedia by encouraging users to link to specific pages (rather than disambiguation pages), when users unknowingly link to disambiguation pages. Thanks! Northamerica1000(talk) 11:26, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
Thanks much! I appreciate the support. Cheers, --JaGatalk 18:05, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

DPL bot BRFA #2

Hi, is there a possibility (if not, then see this as a feature request) to opt in the bot so that it is working in user/user talk space (maybe using {{bots}})? mabdul 11:47, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Well, DPL bot couldn't do it because its work is based on a large scan that doesn't include user space. If you have a specific page in mind (like an article you're developing in your user space), you could use Dab solver to check it. --JaGatalk 18:25, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Toolserver Tools

Hey! Just wondering are all of the tools on the toolserver (lists) that I used to use all still operational? ·Add§hore· Talk To Me! 22:01, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Hey Addshore. Been a long time. No, I got effectively drummed out of the orphan union, and they've changed the Toolserver so I can't generate Lonelypages as easily as I once could. I try to do it once a week and that fails as often as it succeeds. --JaGatalk 20:54, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
I am back with my good old toolserver account now, is there any chance you can send me a copy of the source for list generation ? ·Add§hore· Talk To Me! 21:40, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
Hey, sorry I'm taking so long to respond; a lot is going on these days. I'll see if I can dig up a backup. Unfortunately I converted the lonelypages script into a deadend pages script some time ago and stripped out most of the LP stuff. But I haven't forgotten you. --JaGatalk 16:02, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Ooops - smack my wrists!

Neilbeach (talk) 11:25, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Ha! Thanks for the note. Cheers, --JaGatalk 20:54, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

simple: disambiguation

I've been poking around simple: and working out what tools can help out. R'n'B suggested you. I've been doing things like getting the MOSDAB translated into Simple English, and I've started evaluating tools like dispenser's. The disambiguation world over there is a bit of a mess; the dab pages are in poor repair, and because of that root cause I imagine that it's hard to disambiguate, so there's lots of links. There are no reports, so I can't gauge how bad the problem is. There's only about 2k dab pages, so the dab page formatting could be fixed quickly with enough warm bodies. Then DPL bot could message article writers and there would be underlying dab pages of a similar quality to that en: - that should allow the natives of simple: to do their own dab work.

So, I think I'm asking if you could generate a list of the most linked to dabs on simple: - in fact, with only 2000, the whole lot ordered by incoming links. That would give a priority list for cleaning up dab pages. Doable? Josh Parris 11:15, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Probably doable. We need the disambigs to all be in a category like Category:All disambiguation pages, for starters. The rest should be straightforward. Not sure if I could go all the way with DPL bot though; it's crucial I be able to filter out all false positives. My time these days is limited, but I'll check out the report at least. --JaGatalk 18:05, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
Their Category:All disambiguation pages equivalent is simple:Category:Disambiguation Josh Parris 20:38, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

The BTX disambiguation page

Currently, the subject DAB page assigns "BTX" to an Internet forum for Bruce Springsteen fans and "BTX process" to "a process involving mixtures of Benzene, Toluene, and Xylene".

As background to what I am going to propose, I retired after 60 years of working as a chemical engineer in the petroleum industry. The word "BTX" first began to be used very extensively in the petroleum refining industry in about 1948-1950. At that time, Bruce Springsteen was probably not even yet born or still in diapers ... and there was no Internet. In fact, there were no computers either.

BTX in the petroleum industry is a mixture of chemicals known as Benzene, Tolune and Xylenes (all liquids at typical room temperature and pressure) which are extracted on a large scale from the gasoline (petrol) component known as "catalytic reformate". The extraction is part of the process known as catalytic reforming. There is no such separate process as a "BTX process". See the process flow diagram in the oil refinery article.

I propose or suggest that "BTX" be assigned to "a mixture of Benzene, Toluene and Xylenes" and that "BTX (music") be assigned to the Internet forum for Bruce Springsteen.

As a second choice, I would suggest that "BTX process" be changed to "BTX (chemistry)". As a matter of fact, "BTX process" is currently redirected to benzene which is a very poor work-around since most of the benzene article, by far, is devoted to benzene.

Please let me know what you think of my proposal. Thanks in advance, mbeychok (talk) 18:02, 8 March 2012 (UTC) (A fellow Obama supporter)

JaGa, I would very much appreciate an answer to my above comments. If you make the proposed changes, they will be done correctly. If I make the proposed changes, there is a good chance that I may make a mess. mbeychok (talk) 17:45, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
"BTX" is a disambiguation page; the entry on that page for the Bruce Springsteen forum is a piped link to Backstreets Magazine, the article that mentions the forum. The acronym "BTX" is not "assigned" to anything but the disambiguation page itself. WIth respect to the "BTX process" redirect, if an article can be written on this topic you are welcome to write it at "BTX process" or "BTX (chemistry)". Also, it is not particularly significant which use came first, if an earlier use is going to be more obscure as a general-purpose term. "Obama" was already a city in Japan for over a thousand years before its current primary use came into existence. bd2412 T 18:18, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
BD2412, thanks for your opinion ... but I would still like to hear from JaGa. The word BTX is not "obscure" to anyone even remotely involved with the petroleum and chemical industries. I like Springsteen as much as everyone else ... but a piped link to Backstreets Magazine that "mentions" the BTX forum is certainly a poor choice as a general-purpose term. mbeychok (talk) 19:18, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
There is no general purpose term for BTX; BTX is a disambiguation page, a purely navigational tool to help people find the article they were looking for by offering descriptions of the content to which each link will take them. There is zero chance of anyone being misled to clicking on the Bruce Springsteen page, thinking that the link will take them to the chemical process. As to obscurity, I am sure that Obama, Fukui is not at all obscure to people who live in Japan, but it is still not the primary meaning for the term, just as there is no primary meaning for Mercury (though every chemist knows it to be an element), or to Las Vegas. I really don't see that there is a problem here at all. bd2412 T 19:49, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

This takes me back. I used to work for Aristech in Haverhill, Ohio, where they converted benzene into phenol, aniline, and BPA. Nasty stuff. Ohio is lax on environmental regulation, and Aristech took advantage. I remember dragonflies would drop dead in mid-flight, and all the trees on the hill opposite the plant would go brown. My experiences at Aristech helped me decide to move into computer science. I still miss it though; when you stand atop a distillation tower and look out on the plant, when you think about how we make these dangerous, explosive chemicals bend to our will, it's hard not to be impressed with a pride in mankind's abilities.

But all that's beside the point. I agree that BTX and its usefulness in extractive distillation deserves an article, and that BTX process should redirect to your BTX (chemistry) article once it's done. Also, I should point out that BD2412 is correct; BTX is a disambiguation page. I think the confusion came from the way the link to Backstreets Magazine was presented; I've changed that.

I've been out of chemical engineering for a long time, but if you have any questions, or want me to review your work. I would love to help. I've always thought our Chem E articles were weak and am grateful you're willing to help improve them. That being said, you'll have to forgive my slowness in replying from time to time, as regular life is pulling hard at me these days.

Hope to hear from you soon! Cheers, --JaGatalk 15:52, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

at least a bot noticed my work

Wikipedia Motivation Award Wikipedia Motivation Award
Because your bot made me smile and forced my first conversation with a bot ever. (Here is my conversation with the DPL bot.) Cyfal (talk) 17:00, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
Youer very kind. Thanks for returning the smile. Cheers, --JaGatalk 15:57, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for letting me know about the incorrect link Norbert Susemihl pointing to the disambiguation page New Orleans Jazz. Good catch, and I appreciate the help! Cajohnson56 (talk) 18:10, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

You're very welcome. I'm glad you appreciated it. Cheers, --JaGatalk 15:58, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks - re: Jimmy Stewart (musician) page

Thanks for catching my unintentional link to a disambiguation page! Oops. I fixed the link to Gary Crosby. Thanks again, Joanne McAllister (talk) 19:12, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

No problem. Wow, four Gary Crosbys? I wouldn't have guessed... --JaGatalk 15:59, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

The Signpost: 12 March 2012

Disambig Bot

Something wrong with the bot updating "Articles With Multiple Dablinks"? It is not updated now for 37 hours... Night of the Big Wind talk 22:13, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

They've been messing about with the Toolserver again today. I was able to slip in a script or two; hopefully things will return to normal tomorrow. --JaGatalk 02:15, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Happy Adminship Anniversary

Wishing JaGa a very happy adminship anniversary on behalf of the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Armbrust, B.Ed. Let's talkabout my edits? 00:02, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
A year already!? How time flies... --JaGatalk 02:16, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Disambiguator's Barnstar

The Disambiguator's Barnstar
The Disambiguator's Barnstar is awarded to Wikipedians who are prolific disambiguators.
Thank you for the message that your disambiguation bot left on my talk page. Pine(talk) 10:34, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
Thanks much for the barnstar, Pine! Much appreciated. Cheers, --JaGatalk 20:58, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the disambiguator's bot! (It was on Sergei Winogradsky with nodules - that should interest you...) פשוט pashute ♫ (talk) 13:19, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

The Signpost: 19 March 2012

Inquiry

Hi there, JaGa! I'm an editor over on the Simple English Wikipedia, and I have a question for you about your tools. We have very few maintenance tools available to us on simple and I seem to remember that your set of tools were very helpful to me when I edited here. So I'm wondering what it would take to be able to use them over there? Can the script be adapted to cross wikis? I realise there's a distinct possibility that you're quite busy with other tasks, so alternatively if you're willing to give me a copy of the source to maintain on simple, that might be easier... Either, or any other alternatives you might have, would be a huge help to our project! Thank you, Osiris (talk) 02:25, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

I'm going to investigate the feasibility of running the scripts against simple. It may take me some time though, but I'll get in touch when I make some conclusions. Cheers, --JaGatalk 15:40, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
That's great! Thank you very much! I'll look forward to hearing from you, Osiris (talk) 07:53, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Hey. I created that report page, based on your own version. It's the same shortcut. Best regards, Osiris (talk) 08:10, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

JaGa... this is amazing! It's more help to our project than you could possibly imagine! I'm still playing around with it a bit, but so far everything seems to work really well! And we've got veterans coming over and trying things out. I really can't thank you enough... Osiris (talk) 02:11, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

DRN

May I respectfully request that you not interpose new comments into an existing old thread[3]? You know better than to do that. New posts go at the bottom of a discussion.—Djathinkimacowboy 15:32, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Your intensity in all this is getting a bit disturbing. --JaGatalk 15:35, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
And you are getting insulting. CC from[4]: I would ask you 1. Not to accuse me of battleground anything. I made a polite request of you. That is all. 2. Don't come accusing me of wikihounding anyone. A request is not wikihounding. 3. Do not accuse me of attempting to somehow frighten you. I will apologise if I came off abrasively, but I say to you: badly done.—Djathinkimacowboy 18:58, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
With regard to this[5] I ask your pardon and offer full apologies. I am apologising to all editors who were offended.—Djathinkimacowboy 19:43, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
Apology accepted. Let's just forget all about this. Thanks for the message. --JaGatalk 22:29, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
Cheers. It is forgotten.—Djathinkimacowboy 13:58, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Since you are the guru :)

What's going on with the reports? They haven't been updated in over 3 days now. I assume it's a change made or somesuch. But as someone who lives on those lists (especially the master list updated daily), I'm having withdrawal symptoms! :) --User:Woohookitty Disamming fool! 05:34, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Toolserver is lagging dramatically (four days lag?). See WP:VPT for details. Josh Parris 09:39, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
Damn it. I need my fix! :-D I'm not 6th in the world in edits by sitting here idly! :-) --User:Woohookitty Disamming fool! 11:08, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
I second that emotion (even though I'm only a mere 14th in the world). :-) bd2412 T 14:32, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, I've actually got most scripts shut down right now - replag is just under four days! Hopefully it will right itself before the end of the month. --JaGatalk 19:31, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the update - that is rather sad and distressing to hear. Is there any way to find out where things are stuck? bd2412 T 19:43, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
This is where I get my updates. They don't always keep us informed, but this is probably as good as it gets. R'n'B or Dispenser may know some better sources. --JaGatalk 19:46, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
Related to this discussion, maybe? - Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#is it me or is wiki very slow? Oh, or more likely this one: Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 120#Toolserver replication lag. bd2412 T 19:47, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Heh, I was just about to say that but you beat me to the submit. Yeah the slow Wikipedia page loading (which I suffer from; Colorado River took >15 seconds to fully load) should be independent of Toolserver's problems. --JaGatalk 19:55, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Seems like whatever they are doing is going to continue going on for a while. Is there any possibility of a workaround? In particular, I am increasingly frustrated that the bonus list is not updating, and that I therefore keep hitting pages that have already been fixed. Cheers! bd2412 T 20:17, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
I'm pretty much helpless with the replag. The data simply isn't there to work with. We just have to ride out the storm. I've been putzing about dabfixing on Simple Wiki since it updates properly, at least. --JaGatalk 20:54, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
How about my proposition at Wikipedia talk:Disambiguation pages with links#A Simple request to continue the March contest until the toolserver is back up? I presume that we could, once that service is restored, correctly determine the number of countable edits made over the time period at issue? bd2412 T 21:51, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Jelly issue

This is a short message. So, about the jelly issue, its noted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Darthpineapple401 (talk • contribs) 22:45, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Great! Thanks for letting me know. --JaGatalk 18:32, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/HP Pavilion at San Jose
An image created by you has been promoted to featured picture status
Your image, File:HP Pavilion (angle).jpg, was nominated on Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates, gained a consensus of support, and has been promoted. If you would like to nominate an image, please do so at Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates. Thank you for your contribution! Papa Lima Whiskey 2 (talk) 16:40, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
Oh, congrats JaGa! Did you even know this was up for nom? Did you see the comment by Colin? Josh Parris 00:12, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
Thanks! I had no idea this had been nominated. I used to vie for featured images at Commons until I was finally driven away by a few nasty personalities - it isn't easy to put one's creative work up for the criticism of stangers. I don't even know where the original images are any more, so I'm afraid Colin will have to do without. :P --JaGatalk 14:37, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

The Signpost: 02 April 2012

Follow-up

You've been asked a follow-up question at Talk:U.S. Post Office. Cheers! bd2412 T 20:48, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Whoops, copied the wrong link and caused a kerfluffle. Fixed it. --JaGatalk 18:33, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
The kerfuffle continues notwithstanding the correction. (shrug) bd2412 T 01:55, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

How do I find the statistics indicating where users go once they get to U.S. Post Office? Specifically, I would like to know what percent of users reaching that page click over to the United States Postal Service page, as opposed to a specific post office. bd2412 T 19:36, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Wikimedia doesn't track such things at the moment. The GLAMs have been pressing the foundation to start recording such things, but it's a slow behemoth. Most approaches so far have been to derive such things from daily hit counter. — Dispenser 21:03, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
If you really, really need to know, you can put an intervening redirect in between the two and count the hits for the redirect. You may have some trouble defending it 'tho. Josh Parris 03:18, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

WPCleaner for Simple English

WPCleaner should be working on simple English wikipedia now. --NicoV (talk) 23:33, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Great, thanks! --JaGatalk 01:39, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
Just ran it through the paces for simple:Athletics dablinks and it worked perfectly. Cheers, --JaGatalk 01:50, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
Are you running pages about the articles and templates with disambiguation links? Night of the Big Wind talk 22:14, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Toolserver is back!

They switched the databases to the new replica tonight, and replag is now down to about 2.5 days. I think we can start running our bots again. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 01:24, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Yep! :) Still at 48 hours but I will take it. :) I love the contest but what I was missing was the template and daily updates. --User:Woohookitty Disamming fool! 04:18, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
OK, I dusted off my scripts and re-scheduled them. Let's hope we get everything back on track in time to renew tomorrow's TDD. --JaGatalk 04:37, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
Well, something's gone haywire, because the database was updated (which was why The Daily Disambig was able to publish today), but the reports for Disambig Pages with Links and Templates with Disambig Links are not visible. Anyway, please see WT:DPL where the question has been raised of when the April contest should start. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 14:48, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
Hmmm, for some reason include_once statements no longer work in PHP. I sent a question about it to toolserver-l. --JaGatalk 05:03, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
Yeah I saw that too. Still down. The page at [6] comes up but it's blank. --User:Woohookitty Disamming fool! 05:12, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

See User talk:Dispenser/Dabfix#dabfix.py reports Missing hatnote. — Dispenser 16:40, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. I'll see if it affects any of my scripts. --JaGatalk 04:44, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

my open article Battle of Phuket

i did not understand about your bot

what should me do?--โจ : แฟนท่าเรือ : เกรียนที่หน้าตาไม่ดีแห่งไร้สาระนุกรม : พูดคุยกับควายตัวนี้ได้ที่นี่ 18:49, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Brilliant Idea Barnstar
The DAB solver is very impressive. I thought it looked a bit daunting when I first saw it, but I pushed through and it is very well organized. Worked like a charm, kudos. SPhilbrick(Talk) 12:20, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
Dab Solver is actually the brainchild of Dispenser; I just integrate it into DPL bot's scripts. I'll pass the message on to him as well. And thanks so much for the note! Cheers, --JaGatalk 15:42, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
As an aside, I plan to add some additional edits (generated using a spreadsheet) that are likely to have dab issues. I briefly looked into fixing the dab before posting, but it is a major headache and makes future updates problematic. (probably not a great description). It will be easier for me if I post the edit, then let DPL flag it, where I can fix the issues. Is that considered poor form? My preference is to make the edit, then fix the dabs after DPL drops by. Or it just occurred to me, if I make an edit, is it easy to manually invoke dabsolver?--SPhilbrick(Talk) 19:32, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
Either would be fantastic. I like the idea of people integrating DPL bot into their workflow. Just let the bot do the work of identifying the dablinks; it justifies the bot's existence by making the task of editing a little easier. Also, though, you can invoke Dab Solver yourself. Just go to the dab solver page and enter your article title. Note that this would work even if the article is in your user space. Either way is perfectly good form. --JaGatalk 22:28, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
Thanks. I may try both and see.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 17:09, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
Easy way to check a manual list: 1) Replace your existing watchlist with your list at Special:Watchlist/raw 2) Go to tools:~dispenser/cgi-bin/watchlist_points.py :-). Up to 10,000 articles can be checked at a time. — Dispenser 16:21, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
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