User talk:JK the unwise/Archive 1

Archive 1

Greetings

Here are some links I thought useful:Wikipedia:Tutorial, Wikipedia:Help desk, M:Foundation issues, Wikipedia:Policy Library, Wikipedia:Utilities, Wikipedia:Cite your sources, Wikipedia:Verifiability, Wikipedia:Wikiquette, Wikipedia:Civility, Wikipedia:Conflict resolution, Wikipedia:Neutral point of view, Wikipedia:Pages needing attention, Wikipedia:Peer review, Wikipedia:Bad jokes and other deleted nonsense, Wikipedia:Brilliant prose, Wikipedia:Featured pictures, Wikipedia:Boilerplate textWikipedia:Current polls, Wikipedia:Mailing lists, Wikipedia:IRC channel
Feel free to contact me personally with any questions you might have. The Wikipedia:Village pump is also a good place to go for quick answers to general questions. Be Bold! Sam Spade

Cheers Sam. JK the unwise 13:30, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Anti-war Project

Please give freely of your ideas.

• Dude: firstly, as a fellow leftist, British philosopher, I feel a kinship to you. Second, I think this project is an atrocious idea and you should junk it. Why? Because it's inherently non-NPOV. Wikipedia shouldn't be used politically. Why not? Because in the current situation, the war agenda is being fed by lies: it's basically all a tissue of lies. Simply stating the facts is a really powerful weapon, and it's something wikipedia is perfect for -see the war going on around 2003 Invasion of Iraq for a good example where the truth is being meaningfully defended. I'll cite Trotsky, who said that the task of a communist is simply to tell the truth.--XmarkX 13:47, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I hear your point. First, I would say that my work on Wikipedia is to help build an encyclopedia. I don't have any illusions that it will change the world or count as political work (except maybe in v. v. broad terms). I fully accept Wikipedia should not be propaganda (even correct propaganda) and will post views I disagree with if they are significant. Secondly, I think you have got the wrong end of the stick over my proposal for a anti-war Wikiproject. I didn't mean a project to promote an anti-war agenda (which would be totally POV and against Wiki interests) rather I simply meant it to be a place from which all the pages which relate to/report about the anti-war movment could be considered from. I would welcome right-wing anti-war haters to help out as well! The aim would be to give 'objective analysis' or at least multiple analysis and as many facts as possible about the movement. Compared with the The Business and Economics Forum, it doesn't (or I hope it doesn't) promote any economic theories or business practices. The main reason I think we need some place from whence to take an overview is that a lot of the anti-war pages contain repeated stuff, need somewhere to discuss the best way to lay out, to address the huge ango-american bias, to address the huge historical bias (currently biased towards recent stuff) etc.

Sorry thats a bit long. On another note: It must be interesting doing stuff on Michel Foucault, my department's way too analytic for his contenential crazyness. --JK the unwise 16:35, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)

OK, I agree. Alarm bells rang for me because at the end of your outline of the project, you list articles which are not related to the anti-war movement but to the war itself. Including them in an anti-war project would be outrageous. Otherwise best of luck - I might join in.

I come from a pretty analytic background myself (University of Durham). If you are interested (and I don't mean to presume that you are) in dipping your toes into continental issues, I'm sure within your MA there are ways to wangle it - I certainly did some crazy shit during my MA at Durham--XmarkX 05:18, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Ideas freely given

Its interesting that we both note that while we have an opinion on pretty much everything, we desire a neutral presnetation here (my note saying that is here). Anyhow, since we both seem conversational and opinionated, maybe we should chat sometime, and see how it goes. My opinions are here. Cheers, Sam Spade (talk · contribs) 17:53, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Hi Sam, my grasp of Wikipedia is increasing and I think I'm starting to get a hang of neutral presentation etc. You picture is scary as are your veiws on gun ownership! but you sound like you've got something to say, which is good. Even though we may not whant to push our on POV's I think we can't help but do it in are choice of facts etc, as we hold our views 'cus we think they are true (except for relativists). The best thing is if there are lots of differnct veiw advocates and we can all battle it out (in a civalised fasion) towards nutrality plus not shy away from data that dosent fit our prefered paridimes --JK the unwise 18:15, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)

IMO if our goal is honest, we need not battle, as our united objective is the NPOV truth. If nobody is looking to censor or exclude verifiable expert POVs, nor include original research or bias, where is the conflict, after all? As far as my picture, I'd say its probably less scary than either of yours ;) Actually I get alot of compliments for it, altho I'd say you probably feel alot better than if I went w my first idea, of showing a picture of me armed and ready ;) If yopur as concerned about govt. excess as it would seem, you should keep in mind that we don't have any freedoms which we are unable to defend. Without a right to arms, we have no rights. Mass murderers agree, gun control works ;D See [1] (Sam Spade | talk | contributions) 13:17, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)

(rv Anilocra's pretent rv (actually vadalism))

whoops! sorry, buggered up there. I meant to revert to the last good version, but obviously failed. Anilocra 16:36, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Weight training

I reverted your addition of the words "what is generally perceived to be" [a more attractive physique]. While I agree with you that this assertion needs a caveat, I don't think the article summary is the best place for it. Every statement in the summary requires a host of caveats, and it would be awkward in the extreme if they were all inserted. That's why I have used the phrasing "can result in...".

I have therefore instead added the text "(Although not everyone prefers such body types.)" to the Weight training#Benefits section. Please feel free to amend the phrasing of this statement to ensure that it fully represents all POVs. GeorgeStepanek\^talk 03:24, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

You strike me as someone who might know some stuff about UK left wing campaigns/org's

Hmm, not really, I'm afraid... the page doesn't look too bad, though it could contain more about SL's activities rather than just problems and criticisms. :-) But I don't know such specifics... Evercat 14:31, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I will add the Searchlight page to my watchlist. I'm not too familiar with this organisation's work, but would like to learn more. I agree with Evercat that more detail on past campaigns and activities should be added by someone who knows. DJ Silverfish 15:32, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Your vote

Hi!

I'd like to urge you to reconsider your vote on Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Anti-globalization and Anti-Semitism. Anything but a delete vote will give the perpetrators of the article a mandate to continue. A delete vote means a vote to merge the content back into the Anti-globalization article where it belongs.  :) — Helpful Dave 19:01, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

"Go punch a Nazi"

I don't think this was a wise things to say, for alot of reasons. For one thing its inconsistant with your user pages claim to be a pacifist. Secondly it violates the Wikipedia:No personal Attacks in a particularly obvious manner. I assume you ment a neo-nazi, which would apply to a small number of contributers to the wikipedia and a much larger number of real world persons, but you actual said "nazi". I am living in germany, and there is a fairly large number of elderly germans that term could properly apply to, and the advocacy of violence against them is particularly offensive to me. Please show more care in your talk page posts. Sam Spade Apply now, exciting opportunities available at Spade & Archer! 08:58, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I'm not a pacifist, I'm anti-war. I was advocating the punching of a Nazi (neo-Nazi/Fasist) in the real world not in wikipedia so don't think I violated Wikipedia policy. I don't care if Nazi's or Neo-Nazis or their mates or any one else is offened by that. I'm offeded (as a human being, a socialist and a mixed race person) by their veiws on racial purity and exterinmation. As for old Nazis I don't see how age is an excuse. If they are no longer Nazis then fine, they may live in peace (and shame at what they parcisipated in). If they are still active in spreading racial hatrid then pushing over their weelchairs should be fine.--JK the unwise 09:07, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Actually advocating real world violent crime is one of the most egregious violations of wikipedia policy possible, and due to the possibility of it getting the wikipedia sued is covered under blocking policy. If you make such threats in the future I will take action. Sam Spade Apply now, exciting opportunities available at Spade & Archer! 09:42, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Chill out. If u read the context of my original suggestion, it was a joke. I withdraw it. and replace it with only punch Nazis in self defence (within the law). I still don't care about affending avocates of genoside though.--JK the unwise 10:46, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

OK. Keep in mind that alot of people have strong and angry feelings towards groups which you might feel more comfortable with, like communists (members of which have commited incredible amounts of genocide) and anarchists (members of which have commited a great deal of terrorism and murder). Even if you dislike those groups as well, I'm sure you'd feel uncomfortable with violence being proposed against certain groups. I'll let the matter drop. Sam Spade Apply now, exciting opportunities available at Spade & Archer! 11:06, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Sheffield Uni

Yes, I did go to Sheffield Uni, and if you're in the SWP I probably did know you there - but I'm not sure who you are from your description. Why not e-mail me and let me know? All the best, Warofdreams 17:04, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

• Ah - should have checked the picture. Good of you to point out that you are the one on the right (it's so easy to confuse you with Bush and Putin). Hope you're doing well - see you at the anti-G8 demo. Warofdreams 17:20, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Did you even look at the contributions?

You could have contacted me via email about this and I would have unblocked you. Regarding your IP, you probably have a dynamic (changing) IP even though you have broadband. That said, even though you see the vandalism coming from that IP, you write I was a bit pissed off at being blocked. Please don't do it again -- that makes no sense. An IP vandalizes, it gets warned, it gets blocked. That's how it happens. If you want, you can put a message (such as Template:Proxy) on the talk page of the IP in the hopes that administrators in the future will see it and thus block the IP for a shorter time. For example, when blocking any IP that belogs to AOL, administrators (usually) go for 15 minutes or less. CryptoDerk 14:32, May 16, 2005 (UTC)

Image:George_Galloway_at_demonstration.jpg

Image:George_Galloway_at_demonstration.jpg is up for deletion. Did you take this photograph? If not, who did?? LoopZilla 12:33, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

I have commented on the deletion page. It needs to be deleted, I shouldn't have uploaded it to commons.--JK the unwise 16:23, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

Utilitarianism

Hello. I found your profile on WikiProject Philosophy. I'm looking for more perspectives to help resolve a debate in the Utilitarianism article on the difference between "Happiness" and the "Good". If you have any comments on the subject, please feel free to share them on the article's talk page. Thanks! --Malathion 8 July 2005 04:36 (UTC)

Greetings

A page that you joined to help with associate with other members of the Wikipedia community is on VfD. Please see Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Wikipedian citizens of the world, and the related page Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Wikipedian supporters of the sovereign nation-state. Cognition 09:38, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

Image:Sheffield_University_Arts_Tower.JPG

Hey there, this image (Image:Sheffield_University_Arts_Tower.JPG is currently up for deletion at the commons (see Deletion requests), it would be great if you could give it a licence tag and make a note of the source, thanks! -- Joolz 16:52, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

I added copyright tag and commented on the page. Cheers--JK the unwise 09:56, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

VVAW

Please see talk at VVAW. I point to a Boston Globe article about kerry not being at a 1971 meeting where a stupid assassination proposal was floated to make the point that "Some declassified documents allege that VVAW leadership was actively supporting the North Vietnamese cause." You can find more such stupidity from VVAW leadership at paperlessarchives dot com (that site is banned from linking here, but it's a bit more trustworthy than the, er, alternatives. The three sample pages have more than enough to show that "declasified documents allege.") I hold myself to 1rr (I'm good at convincing, I hope?) and would like to know what I can do to get you to revert your own change. Hope that helps! Hipocrite 21:11, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

It is the job of the poeple who claim such things as "VVAW was alleged by informants to the FBI to have cultivated ties with the North Vietnamese government" I'm not going to go trawling for them. I have looked through the link that was provided [2] and found it contained no such accusations. I have made such points on the article discution page. I wait to be convinced.--JK the unwise 09:01, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

You don't think that your edits combined with your user page, are a bit too inflamitory for you to really maintain a nuetral POV at the VVAW article?--I-2-d2 18:56, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Nope. Do you think your edits combined with your user page, are a bit too inflamitory for you to really maintain a nuetral POV at the VVAW article?--JK the unwise 18:57, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Despite being on I2d2's "side" in this dispiute, I currently have no doubts that JK is attempting to make the encyclopedia better, not to use it as a Soap Box.Hipocrite 19:19, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Anti-war wikiproject

I like the idea of making a wikiproject to unify the "anti-war" pages. I'd like to to participate.

The first thing we should do is define "anti-war". Does it mean:

1. opposition to any and all war aims of the US?
   • e.g., a wish that the US lose, surrender and/or withdraw from some or all of the wars it has been in?
2. the idea that big, powerful countries should not impose their ideas of justice, peace or freedom on other sovereign nations - no matter how bad things get there?
   • e.g., don't prop up South Vietnam to stop communism
   • or don't overthrow Saddam's dictatorship in Iraq?

If we can define antiwar clearly, then we can work together regardless of our POV differences. Uncle Ed 19:28, August 16, 2005 (UTC)

• Thank you, I'm glad somebody said it, people keep jumping down my throat whenever I do--I-2-d2 19:53, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, what is it that you've said that Ed repeated, exactly?

Ed - I think that "anti-war" is most like you're number 2 (but NPOVED up a bit) to read: "anti-war is the belief that agressive war is an extreme measure that should be used rarely, and after full, frank and open discussion, if ever, in international affairs." Hipocrite 19:57, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Considering that "aggression" is generally considered bad and that Bush's invasion of Iraq was labeled "aggressive", would that mean that the idea that Bush should not have tried (and should immediately stop trying) to defeat the Baathist and/or pro-Saddam forces in Iraq? Note that I'm not asking what your opinion of Bush or Saddam is. I'm only trying to come up with your take on what anti-war means. Uncle Ed 20:14, August 16, 2005 (UTC)

Note that I consider myself reasonably centrist, so if I bobble it up, I deny all responsibility! I believe that the answer to your questions from an anti-war perspective is undoubtedly no, Bush should not have comitted to war in Iraq, and should withdraw, yesterday.Hipocrite 20:20, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Hello everyone. I don't think anyone is making this assumption but I just want to make it clear that I do not see the aim of an anti-war wikiproject as opposing war or pushing an anti-war POV. Rather opposition to war (for varrious reasons from pacifism to Anti-imperialism) has played a large role in global politics (particularly recently with the Global protests against invasion of Iraq), the role of the project would be to document anti-war philosophies and anti-war movements. I do not think there is a need for us to define explicitly the meaning of anti-war, rather let us treat it (at least for now) as a family term, some movements/ideas are definatly anti-war we can argue along the way about more prefiery cases. The only think I think is worth noting is that we should not assume that anti-war has just to do with American forien policy for example there were anti-war activities against WW1. Anyways if you are interested follow this link: Wikipedia:WikiProject Anti-war (If you wish to argue about the correctness anti-war politics do not follow that link go to some political chat room  :-D)--JK the unwise 11:07, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

• Excuse me "JK" I don't recall asking you to advertise for your little hippie club on my user page, don't do it again, consider this your warning--I-2-d2 03:40, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

No worries, everyone is welcome to join the wikiproject even flag worshiping American hero's like yourself.--JK the unwise 07:22, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

From your user page

A kindly gentleman left you this little message on your user page. I have moved it here.

DEAR SIR: I DID NOT SUGGEST THAT IT WAS BIZZARE (CORRECT SPELLING, BY THE WAY, IS BIZARRE) FOR SINN FEIN TO TAKE UP THEIR SEATS AT WESTMINSTER. I SIMPLY STATED THAT THEY WOULD NEVER DO SO, REGARDLESS OF TONY BENN'S ADVICE. I AM PRO-UNION, AND PRO-PROTESTANT, AND THE WAY THE BRITISH LABOUR PARTY ALLOWED THE DROSS AND THE GARBAGE OF THE WORLD (BLACKS, MUSLIMS, IRISH FROM THE REPUBLIC) WHO HAD NO RIGHT TO SETTLE IN THE UK, JUST FOR ELECTORAL ADVANTAGE IS A HORRIFIC DESTRUCTION OF THE BRITISH BIRTHRIGHT.

rms125a@hotmail.com (20:12, 29 August 2005 (UTC))

Just thought you'd like it here instead. Wow, nice political compass... so low and left. Being so extreme, gotta be careful here on WP. People might see that and assume you cannot be NPOV. But hey, I guess people can assume good faith. Cheers my political compass (almost) opposite. :) --Lord Voldemort ^{(Dark Mark)} 20:41, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

SchNEWS edits

Hi JK, I wanted to get in touch because I notice you've been interested in tidying up the SchNEWS page which I made some changes to yesterday; and because I made some more changes today. I didn't want these to appear to be argumentative changes so here I am to explain them! Basically the main point is I've removed (again) the mention of two individuals from the history, because although they are mentioned in the "tenth anniversary annual" they are otherwise uncredited and there are certain to be legal accountability issues which mean that it's wisest for the publication to remain anonymous.

Not sure exactly what you mean but sounds like you know more about it then me.--JK the unwise 22:10, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

what I ment

we need a lot of photos and not ones of fools either.(preceding unsigned comment by Grazon (talk • contribs) 25 Sept 2005)

Err? Do you mean we need more photo's (agree) that are of non-fools or need more photo's that are not taken by fools. Either way the remark is either odd or harsh. The current picture is not great but hay its better then nothing.--JK the unwise 17:41, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

I mean we need photos that make the anti-war movement look dignified instead of stupid.

grazon 03:18, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

re:Searchlight

You were correct in your reversion of my rv to the Searchlight page. It was too late at night for me to be editing and I thought I was doing the opposite of what I did in fact do. BTW: please have a look at this: Wikipedia:Leftist Parties and Movements Collaboration of the Week. Cheers. DJ Silverfish 16:26, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

Elections

Did you support Suzie Wylie in the election or not, and what were your reasons? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.134.230.169 (talk • contribs) 15:50, 12 October 2005

Err? What elections and what does this have to do with Wikipedia?--JK the unwise 16:51, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

I have just noted that you created a page on Suzie. I beefed the page up a bit but it will probally be deleted due to the fact that though shes playing an important role in the fight for revolution, she's probally not quite notable enough to be in an encycopedia (not yet).--JK the unwise 18:05, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

Wikiproject Anti-War COTM

First of all, up front, I will admit - I don't really look at the Collaboration Of The Month for the WikiProject Anti-War. I kind of do my own thing on that front.

However, I do think it's a good idea to keep. I think that a number of the articles (such as those marked "poor") need some further emphasis and highlighting in order to get to where we want them. I don't, however, think that the template is particularly necessary. As for what articles to suggest, I'd suggest any article currently marked "poor", like Draft dodger, Peace camp, Peace Action, Protests against the Vietnam War, or List of slogans and chants opposing the Iraq war.

And speaking of Protests against the invasion of Iraq, someone marked that article for cleanup, and it's again gotten me thinking - that article definitely needs something, but what? I think that some of the larger blurbs on the page still need to get moved off into their own articles, but otherwise, I'm not sure what it needs.

Also, I'm nearly finished with my own photo-spread about the September 24 protests (I was there) for my own Web site. After that, I'm going to start contributing to the Wikipedia article. I want to finish my own site first so that I can have something to cite on Wikipedia. My viewpoint at the protest was different than most, as I went to the Mobilization for Global Justice's anti-IMF/World Bank feeder march from Dupont Circle, participated for a brief period in a breakaway march with the Black bloc, and then joined the anti-war group at Lafayette Park.

I realize I'm kind of all over the page here, but hopefully some of it will get something accomplished. SchuminWeb | Talk 00:45, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

February 15, 2003 Protest

Sad to say, I wasn't there... the first protest I attended was the April 12, 2003 protest, which I actually found out about the night before, very much by accident, by some of the people who lived on my floor in my dorm at JMU (I ended up running into them at the protest, too). That day's trip to Washington was actually pre-planned with a completely different itinerary than what ended up happening.

Basically, I found out about the protest by accident, and was in Washington the same day as the April 12, 2003 protest by coincidence.

However, talk about a life-changing coincidence. That protest got me interested in the anti-war movement, and protests in general. I researched, and found lots of information. Then I found out what protests were coming up, planned, and started going.

So there you go. I really do wish I'd gotten into activism earlier than I had, but you can't change the past.

Weirdest protest experience, though, was at the counter-inaugural back in January. Walking around Malcolm X Park while fully outfitted for a Black Bloc, I saw a familiar face. I said to them, "Do you go to JMU?" She looked at me for a second, and then asked, "Schumin?" I pulled down my bandanna and was like, "Yeah, it's me." Hadn't seen them in nearly two years. SchuminWeb (Talk) 23:00, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Ahhh I've been blocked!!

Me I.P adress has been blocked because someone with the same address was vandalising the Kat Fletcher article with the user name Kat fletchers smug face. I can't figger out when this block will end.--JK the unwise 10:32, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

My mate, who had been using my computer, has just admitted that he was Kat fletchers smug face. I have told him off and banned him from using Wikipedia on my computer. I will try to educate him not to vandalise wikipedia from any computer, to be honest I think he will forget about it anyway. Since he will not be using this I.P adress to vandalise wikipedia any more please can someone remove the I.P block please.--JK the unwise 11:34, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Help

Please vote to redirect Islamofascism to Neofascism and religion...

... which is where it belongs. Vote here: [3] BrandonYusufToropov 23:01, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

At the moment my bloody IP is blocked so I can't edit any thing apart from this page :-(--JK the unwise 11:10, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Seems my block has now been lifted. I'm affraid to say though that I reluctantly voted for keep.--JK the unwise 14:08, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Please read

[4] BrandonYusufToropov 14:03, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Hope you can take a look at this

[[5]] BrandonYusufToropov 23:01, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Which Lismore?

In Template:February 15, 2003 Protest Attendance by City, do you know which Lismore is supposed to be linked? BD2412 T 01:04, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

The list appeared before I got really invovled in editting the feb15 page so i'm not sure. You can find a discussion which I think is about the same list when it first appeared on the Protests against the Iraq war page in the first talk archive Talk:Protests against the invasion of Iraq/Archive 1 mainly the sourse for list section.--JK the unwise 10:06, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Page move

It looks fine to me; I'll leave it a few hours before moving in case there are any objections on the talk page. Warofdreams talk 11:16, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Cool cheers.--JK the unwise 11:16, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

OK, I've moved it. On a different topic, have you seen History of socialism in Britain? Maybe you could improve the article, and add some links to some of the articles you've been working on. Warofdreams talk 17:16, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

I don't see why you couldn't have multiple merge notes on the page, but it would need plenty of explanation on the talk page as to what you planned to move where. Alternatively, you could incorporate the useful information into the other articles, then list it on WP:AFD. Either way, it'd be good to get some kind of approval for it on the talk page, first. Warofdreams talk 12:12, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Anti-war protests

See my answer on my talk page. Ericd 14:23, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

George Galloway

You seemed interested in improving George Galloway. Want me to change the inline links to WP:FOOTNOTE type so it is easier to add detailed citations? I don't know anything about Galloway, but I am improving citations. (SEWilco 03:48, 12 December 2005 (UTC))

That would be brilliant. I have just (a few days ago) lurned how to do footnotes, but it took me over an hour to sort out the foot notes at February 15, 2003 anti-war protest! If you could also give that page a quick checkover to see if I have formated the footnotes correctly that would also be good. cheers.--JK the unwise 10:53, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

It is in User:SEWilco/Sandbox. Don't start with the George Galloway version of the article by Nandesuka (check the History), as two confused people have messed it up with an old version of SEWilcoBot's output. If someone does some significant edits before you can do your edits, just ask for a new version and it will be ready a few minutes after I read your request. (SEWilco 04:34, 13 December 2005 (UTC))

If you do cut and paste my Sandbox version, you should know that SEWilcoBot doesn't yet use ref_label/note_label. I see that you've used them, so if you want to use that style look for "see above" to find the duplicate entries. The citations which show a URL instead of a link title indicate some sort of problem, such as accessing the URL might be producing an error, and need further attention; at least some problems become visible. (SEWilco 04:42, 14 December 2005 (UTC))

The article had some changes so I updated the Sandbox version. (SEWilco 03:48, 15 December 2005 (UTC))

World Citizen userbox, {{User world}}

Hi, I noticed the message saying you're a World Citizen, I would like to invite you to add {{User world}} to your user page if you wish to proclaim it in a more effective way, and this template will also add you automatically to the Wikipedians with World Citizenship category. :) --Mistress Selina Kyle 23:54, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

February 15, 2003 anti-war protest

I would like to put February 15, 2003 anti-war protest up for FA status soon. In your opion is it ready?--JK the unwise 13:13, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

I just went through roughly the first 30% of it, copy-editing. I'm sure the rest could use as much. Also, has this been through peer review?

At the risk of being the bearer of bad tidings it stands, I don't see much FA potential. Most of it is a bland recitation of numbers, organizational names, etc., chronicle rather than history. I'm sure it is reasonably accurate and well-cited, but that is not enough to make an FA: it has to be interesting to read. I'm actively part of this movement, was at the Seattle rally on the day, have lived in London and, in fact, participated in an earlier rally there in Oct. 2001 against the Afghanistan invasion, and still found much of this dull. -- Jmabel | Talk 20:09, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

I am sad that you find the article dull. I hope you agree that it should be at least potencially posible to produce a FA standard article on such a historic moment as this. I also hope you would agree that there are large parts of the article that are much more then bland recitation of numbers, org names etc, in particluar the London and New york demonstrations sections and the International coordination and Effect sections aswell as some of the stuff on the relative smallness of protests in the middle east.

The article has been through peer review (see: Wikipedia:Peer review/February 15, 2003 anti-war protest/archive2) and I beleive I have edited the article to comply with most of the suggestions that were made there. I was triggered to put the article up for peer review by its ranking by the Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team as an A-class article. Which apparently means they judged it to forfill the criteria of being "at the stage where it could at least be considered for featured article status". It has also bee judged to be a good article (this can all be seen if you look at the boxes at the top of the talk page).

I am determined to get this article FA status, even if that means a load more work. Prehaps if what you say is correct it might be an idea to remove the more simple stat's stuff from the article and put them into a table or some such thing and work on creating even more of a narative to the remaining stuff? Any more suggestions would be welcome.--JK the unwise 10:52, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Absolutely, the topic has FA potential. I'm surprised it made it through peer review, though: If you look at the 15-20 changes I made, I imagine you will agree that the vast majority were actually corrections of things as basic as errors in spelling and grammar. Yes, something like what you suggest in the last paragraph is probably in order. I'm afraid I'm not going to have a lot of time to help out: I'm just about to start another contract job on Tuesday, so I won't have a lot of time for Wikipedia. -- Jmabel | Talk 01:31, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

You have my support in the Article Improvement Drive nomination. With my vote, it now only needs two more votes to be "in". Also, I agree you're probably on the right track re: your above message. This article probably needs a few more "child" articles, and the stats need to probably go into one of those child articles... SchuminWeb (Talk) 22:08, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Since Uncle Ed's on break, I thought I'd pop in and see if I could help. Please let me know if there are specific things in need of attention, as my time is stretched thin. Hoping I can contibute,--ghost 16:53, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Participant alert regarding Wikiproject on Advertising

The Wikiproject No Ads, created as a backlash against the Answers.com deal, has served an important function in providing a space for users to express their disagreement with the Foundation proposal. While the current controversies about userboxes raise questions about political and social advocacy on Wikipedia, there should be greater flexibility regarding advocacy about Wikipedia in the Wikipedia namespace. Reported and linked by Slashdot and other press sources as a unique and spontaneous occurence in Wikipedia history, it has apparently had some impact as, despite being scheduled to begin in January, not a peep has been heard about the trial and proposed sponsored link since the deal's controversial announcement months ago. Currently, however, there is an attempt to delete the project or move it off Wikipedia altogether. Since the Foundation has provided no additional information and has not attempted to answer the specific questions that participants in the project raised, it is unclear if the Answers.com deal has been abandoned or simply delayed. Until the situation becomes more clear, I believe the group should still have a place in the Wikipedia namespace. Sincerely, Tfine80 00:34, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Protests against . . .

Sorry, didn't mean to remove the template -- thought it was part of the first paragraph. The disambig isn't necessary, and in other similar articles this kind of information is placed under a 'See Also' header. From the WP style sheets I've seen, articles are supposed to start with a simple [subject] is . . . format. Morton devonshire 21:23, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough. I'll raise it on the talk page of the article.--JK the unwise 13:21, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Help

Hi JK, I'm working on organising articles related to CND and to that end have created a catagory for CND Organisations, I would like to expand this to become a catagory for Articles relating to CND in general but am not sure how to do this: such a catagory would include CND organisations, people involved and opponents etc. Any help would be appretiated Sjeraj 13:11, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Organized Labour

Hi JK. I see you added your name to the Labour project, so I thought I'd say hello and welcome. Hope to see you around, I'm sure you've noticed that the topic is still weakly represented on Wikipedia. Cheers. --Bookandcoffee 19:54, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Diane Abbott

A bit arbitrary, your edit! Not sure it's not you who's op-eding. Observations and reportage are encyclopaedia-OK in bios. I never said that I agreed with her point about schools for her son.--Farsee50 20:49, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Coalition for Peace Through Security

Hi again. I've had some trouble with a stub I started on the Coalition for Peace Through security. After creating the stub another anonomous user edited it, providing more information but constructing the article in a biased fashion - I edited the article by including some more critical material (which was referenced) and removing what I thought were some of the more irrelevant bits of information. Recently another anonomous user manually reverted the article to its 'biased' from. Can you take a look at the history of the article and recommend a course of action? My experience of such disputes is nonexistent so any help/advice you can offer would be welcome. Sjeraj 14:49, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Left-wing and right-wing terrorism

Hope you enjoyed Spain! While I tend to agree with you that some information in the articles is useful, and I will keep an eye on the progress of the AfDs, if there's a consensus to delete, I can't stop anything happening. Warofdreams talk 00:01, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

The consensus was to delete, so they're gone. It might be worth considering covering the topic in the political terrorism article - many of the user who voted delete said they'd be happy with a merge. Warofdreams talk 13:18, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Template:Anti-war topics is up for deletion

Template:Anti-war topics is up for deletion. Please weigh in on the [Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/2006 May 20|discussion]. Thanks! SchuminWeb (Talk) 23:06, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Moved permission page

Just to let you know, I moved the page indicating permission for "An Empirical Test of Transnational Opportunities" out of the article namespace and into the Wikipedia namespace, under WikiProject Anti-war. I've already changed the citation to match this. SchuminWeb (Talk) 16:33, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

hey

Hi Joe its me Ben R from Hallam Uni! Glad to see your alive and well! The Suzie W articles is a bit random huh? You spurred me to retake the Political Compass again, i was please to find I'm in exactly the same location as you :p Bjrobinson 10:32, 9 June 2006 (UTC) Oh and do you know how to make userboxes?

RE: Peace flag

Some one seems to have deleted Image:PACE-flag.svg which I think you uploaded (User:Fibonacci/Uploads). I can't seem to find out how/why it was deleted but I imagine that it might have something todo with the debate on Template talk:Anti-warTasks. If you could re-upload it that would be cool.--JK the unwise 14:31, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

But I had uploaded my image to Commons, and it seems that it has not been deleted from there. Could it be that a database lag is preventing it from showing properly here? --Fibonacci 16:16, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

ahh I see, I will put conspiricy theories of stelth deletion aside :-). Its odd though that it still doesn't seem to be coming through? Is anything going on that would increase databace lag at the moment?--JK the unwise 10:05, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

It's all right now. Just a matter of purging the page cache. --Fibonacci 20:42, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Long talk page

Greetings! Your talk page is getting a bit long in the tooth - please consider archiving your talk page (or ask me and I'll archive it for you). Cheers! BD2412 T 23:59, 16 June 2006 (UTC)