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UBX for copy editing skills

Hi Lara, I made {{UserCE}} to respond to Dank55's request. It has many alternate text options. Took me a while to make..Ling.Nut ^(WP:3IAR) 00:52, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't know what request you're talking about. There's been a lot going on, so I've probably just lost track of it. Looks nice, though. Good work. LaraLove|Talk 02:32, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Toolserver

Hi Lara. Rodhullandemu suggested I speak to you about getting a Toolserver account, since he said you had recently got one. I put in a request on the meta:Toolserver/New accounts page, but the date to get requests in for was 4 days ago, and the date for getting the next batch in doesn't appear to have been updated. ~~ [Jam]^[talk] 20:26, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't have a Toolserver account, and I'm not really sure why anyone would think I do. Betacommand ran some queries for me and saved them to his account... maybe someone got confused by that, or my use of βsocks. Sorry. Wish I could be of more help. LaraLove|Talk 20:40, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Ah OK. Thanks anyway :). ~~ [Jam]^[talk] 21:37, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

FWIW we just got a new toolserver, and, now have to go thru months of backlogged requests. Also, I think the guy whom reviews them has been sick. Please be patient, they'll get to you in time :) SQL^{Query me!} 21:51, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

As long as it doesn't take a year :P - I noticed a number of those requests go back to 2007... ~~ [Jam]^[talk] 21:56, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

FWIW I think it took mine a couple weeks :) I think I saw some there, waiting on user input, going back to 2006... SQL^{Query me!} 22:09, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Oh good. I shouldn't worry - I've got mine on "email me if it changes" so, at most, it should only take me a few minutes to reply ;). ~~ [Jam]^[talk] 22:28, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Collapsable Boxes

You can also use HTML tags themselves to accomplish a similar thing. Using DYK as an example, as you want to adapt this for your main page redesign proposal:

Did you know...

Núria Llansà

• ... that despite being Barcelona's starting goalkeeper for 1972, Núria Llansà (pictured) played one match as right-back?
• ... that the Lichfield War Memorial includes a life-size depiction of Saint George and a slain dragon?
• ... that the current flag of Falcón, a state of Venezuela, was first hoisted at the Monument to the Venezuelan Federation in 2006 and is based on the design of the 1806 naval flag of Francisco de Miranda?
• ... that Abraham Hamadeh lost one of the closest elections in Arizona history by 280 votes, and has filed multiple lawsuits challenging the results?
• ... that during the Second World War the British government transmitted German music to Nazi U-boats?
• ... that photographer Charles Biasiny-Rivera and fellow members of the artistic collective En Foco drove around New York City in his Volkswagen Bus putting on art exhibitions in Latino neighborhoods?
• ... that sculptor Moelwyn Merchant described his 1982 piece Growing Form as resembling "a tulip bud with the front leaf pulled out"?
• ... that the music video for "It's OK I'm OK" was edited to make its singer appear naked?
• ... that hot-dog vendor Dan Rossi has slept inside his cart overnight to preserve his spot in front of the Metropolitan Museum of Art?

I think some hacks could fix any issues you may encounter. —Animum (talk) 02:28, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, guys. I've not been able to get it to work yet. I'm going to have to learn French real quick, I think. :/ LaraLove|Talk 03:08, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

This page looks best in...

Hi. It seems you're using the same userpage design as a few others around. Unfortunately, it was conceived without other skis in mind. I regret to inform you that under modern (which is very popular and I happen to be using it) the floating logo trick doesn't only look ugly but also makes the site unusable (no action tabs, no way to leave you a message, because you don't even have such a link in your page's header. I sincerely hope you can do something about it. Regards, Миша13 11:20, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. I'll look into it. As far as you being unable to leave me a message, I don't know what you mean. LaraLove|Talk 12:54, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Oh. I thought you were talking about my main page design propsal, which (WHEW!) works in all skins. Okay, so my userpage. Yes, I'm aware that some of the CSS hacks make things less than optimal for those with other skin preferences, however, I don't understand why people are wishing to navigate the site from my user page. Back page and go from there. That aside, a link to my talk page is located beside my user name in the header. Sorry for the inconvenience. LaraLove|Talk 13:05, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

To your talk page, yes. But the ?action=edit&section=new link for a new message is nowhere to be found (the one in page actions is obscured by the logo) - that's what I had in mind when I said "no way to leave you a message" (for those less technically inclined who happen to be using modern anyway). Cheers, Миша13 13:19, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Lol

I'm reading your archives, and I find it amazing that you were once an adopted n00b like me :)Shapiros10 ^{contact me}_{My work} 14:17, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Ya. We all start out as newbs... 'cept for the sockpuppets >_>

But ya, Neil was my wiki-daddy. LaraLove|Talk 14:19, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Heh. I'm not sure if you're old enough to be my wiki-mommy :)

Hey, socks are still n00bs. They're just delinquent n00bs.

I should create an essay on the different kinds of n00bs :) Shapiros10 ^{contact me}_{My work} 14:21, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

I would recommend that you, instead, work on some articles. LaraLove|Talk 14:24, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Sigh. Once an adopter, always an adopter.

The n00b essay thing was a joke. I hope I'm allowed to use a little humor.

I'll see if I can find an article to expand. Shapiros10 ^{contact me}_{My work} 14:26, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Humor is forbidden. This is srs bizniz. LaraLove|Talk 14:56, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Ah, u is srs adminz :( Shapiros10 ^{contact me}_{My work} 15:00, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Check your inbox

You have mail. Shapiros10 ^{contact me}_{My work} 14:39, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

k. LaraLove|Talk 14:56, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Reference

How do I use the same reference twice for an article without cutting an pasting it? Craig Montgomery (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 22:26, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

You need a named reference. For its first occurrence, cite as <ref name = XXX></ref> and for subsequent uses just cite <ref name = XXX/>. Some people put the name (XXX) in quotes, but it's not necessary. If you get stuck, WP:CITE explains this. Hope that helps. --Rodhullandemu 22:33, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

And just to clarify a bit, the details of the citation, or the template, if you use those, go between the <ref name=Whatever> ... </ref> :D LaraLove|Talk 03:07, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

So I found an article that I really don't think belongs here. What steps can I take? Can you look over it? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Close_to_the_Edge_and_Back Craig Montgomery (talk) 05:55, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Wow. Fantastic read that totally expanded my knowledge in a positive way. This will prove helpful for me in the future, I'm sure. That said, WP:AFD is the place to be. LaraLove|Talk 13:42, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

I think you were joking about the article, right? I used TWINKLE to put it up for deletion. I can't really tell if it worked - it was all automatic. Can you look over it, should the mood arise? Craig Montgomery (talk) 22:00, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, sorry. I tend to be sarcastic. I checked it out, and voted. Looks good. LaraLove|Talk 22:31, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

A new banner

When you have time I'd appreciate it if you would change the SynMag.image from SynergeticMaggot to Synergy for me :) Synergy 23:03, July 20, 2008 (UTC)

Totally will. LaraLove|Talk 13:43, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Total appreciation. Synergy 16:50, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Re:Bot

To deliver the newsletter of a project. Don't worry Lara. Shapiros10 ^{contact me}_{My work} 19:58, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

What project? LaraLove|Talk 20:02, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

User:LAAFan/Featured_Article_Collaboration_Center. Shapiros10 ^{contact me}_{My work} 20:04, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Dr. Milo (Planet of the Apes)

This character was played by Sal Mineo - the article I have been working on. There is no Dr. Milo. Can it go to Dr. Milo? Is this making sense? Craig Montgomery (talk) 02:50, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Sure. Just use the move tab at the top of the page. Change the destination to Dr. Milo and explain the reasoning. LaraLove|Talk 04:42, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Strange deletion edit

Hi again, User:Lostcause1798 seems to be making some very strange, and very competent, first edits. I actually don't disagree with the reason for deletion of the article (UEFA Stadia List) - so my interest doesn't stem from protectionism - but i'm going to suggest a rename instead. What do you think? Sillyfolkboy (talk) 13:00, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Rename to what? LaraLove|Talk 15:08, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

The article has now moved to UEFA elite stadium: my original concern was over the chances of a bad faith deletion but that hasn't come to pass. Keep walking - nothing to see here :) Sillyfolkboy (talk) 12:32, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Jon and Kate

I don't understand the problem with the sources on Kate's parents. It's even been discussed on their show. I even had the legal documents to source the environmental and zonign violations. OddibeKerfeld (talk) 14:31, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Tabloids are not reliable sources. And the issues with the environmental and zoning violations have nothing to do with the show whatsoever. It's irrelevant information. LaraLove|Talk 15:10, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Huggle.

Have you used it? Craig Montgomery (talk) 21:52, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

No. But I'm friends with the guy that coded it, so if you have questions, I can get answers. LaraLove|Talk 21:55, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Can you find out why I can't log on? There is a warning about required use of rollback and then it does not do anything. Craig Montgomery (talk) 22:44, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Ah, you have to have the rollback ability in order to use Huggle. You've not been around that long, but you seem to be picking up pretty well. Do you know what rollback is? LaraLove|Talk 23:06, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

A faster "Undo" button? How long should I be here before applying for it? It looks like TWINKLE where you just hit 'vandalism' and it automatically undoes it. Am I missing anything because it seems like not everyone has it. Craig Montgomery (talk) 23:31, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Yea, that's basically it. I looked over your edits. I'm going to go ahead and grant you rollback. Here's the thing though, it's ONLY for vandalism or to rollback your own edits. Do not rollback edits that could be good faith mistakes or misunderstandings. Obvious vandalism only. Also, be mindful of WP:3RR. In such situations, where you've rolled back vandalism and you've been reverted, it's best not to use rollback again. Undo from there and leave detailed edit summaries about why, also drop a note on the appropriate talk page. LaraLove|Talk 00:38, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Article Creation.

My first article got deleted. Any chance you want to work on an article or maybe show me what I did wrong. I didn't really get a chance to work on it. Craig Montgomery (talk) 01:23, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Yea, for sure. What article is it? I'll go look at the deleted page and move the text to User:Craig Montgomery/Sandbox and help you with it. LaraLove|Talk 04:29, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

I asked like I couldn't go look. Okay, uhm, so I looked at the article. Barry Keenan. It was one sentence, you misspelled his name, and there was no reference. So, it lacked content and notability. If the event, that being Frank Sinatra, Jr's kidnapping, is notable (and I think it would be), then there should be plenty of sources and a good amount of information to build an article with. Start it in your sandbox, linked above, and you can move it to the mainspace once we've established notability with reliable sources. LaraLove|Talk 04:36, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

If you can move my one sentence, I will find some references. Craig Montgomery (talk) 04:57, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

I think we can just recreate the lead sentence... perhaps with the correct spelling of his name this time. ;) LaraLove|Talk 05:15, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

This is not making the situation any better; it's inflaming it

Before you cast aspersions on me, you might have cast your eyes back to the comment that provoked it. You are coming to conclusions based on a highly selective view of the discourse. I do not appreciate this. Tony (talk) 14:39, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

I've responded on your talk and have it watchlisted. Let's keep it there ease of discussion. LaraLove|Talk 14:47, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

RE: Colbert vandalism (on ANI)

For watching TV shows online, I personally find (legal site) Hulu [1] to have a better interface. I often have a hard time actually finding the right show or segment I'm looking for on Comedy Central's site. Jason Patton (talk) 16:06, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! :D LaraLove|Talk 16:08, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Open Web Foundation

Please discuss your rational for deleting (yet again) this article, after the second CSD had been declined. We've even had a DRV that allowed the second revision to stand. It would have been easier to just rewrite the offending portion for copy-vio rather than move it to a users name space and delete.riffic (talk) 16:32, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

The article contained little outside of the copy-vio. The author could have spent the time writing original prose rather than initiating lengthy discussion claiming violations of guidelines. There was no good reason for this article to remain in article space in it's current state. It should be improved before returning there. LaraLove|Talk 16:37, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Congratulation LaraLove, you have just deleted valuable content without reading my last post on the talk page as I had resumed work on the article this morning. Your action just add more fuel to the idea that Wikipedia has become a closed administrator user group. I have no intention to do further work on this unless you reconsider your action and move back the article where it was. The so-called copyright violation had been fixed, and the fix had been acknowledged by other administrators, reliable sources had been added, it was clearly stated that this was a stub that needed more work. --Uiteoi (talk) 18:13, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Riffic for moving the page back where it was. LaraLove, please let this work continue, it will take time before the organization develops and new content can be added. They have stated that they are working on intellectual property provisions and that it would take a few weeks before it can be published. We will then need to wait for their first project but considering the industry backup behind this organization, it is unlikely to go away. Even if the organization disappeared, the fact that it has so much industry support makes it notable. If you have other concerns about the page as it stands please use the talk page. Thank you very much in advance. --Uiteoi (talk) 18:53, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

I have taken the initiative to reword the article's summary and restored it to regular namespace. Please follow process, if you feel this article simply can not be improved, I welcome you to follow AfD procedures riffic (talk) 18:55, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I should have followed procedure, and deleted the history, considering it was a copy/paste from a new company's copyrighted website. Your initiative undid an action taken based from a lengthy discussion on AN/I wherein it was determined that the speedy deletion taggings that displeased Uiteoi were actually not in violation of anything. There is/was no reason for this article to be rushed to the article space when there's nothing to add to the content. The manner in which this situation was presented did nothing to help his case. Moving the article to his user space was done as a courtesy. But again, I admit I made a mistake. I should have outright deleted it first, then moved the text without the copy-vio to his user space. LaraLove|Talk 19:16, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

I am not an admin, please do not refer to my actions as wheel war. I was only being bold and trying to improve the article. riffic (talk) 19:23, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

I removed that part of my comment before you replied. Realizing just how bold you were being to undo the actions of an admin taken from a lengthy discussion on the administrators' noticeboard. I'll leave this now though, because I must go to work. LaraLove|Talk 19:31, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

LaraLove, I think you have misunderstood the discussion on the noticeboard. The discussion was not about deletion of the article. The article was never deleted until you did. The discussion was about the violation of the guidelines for speedy deletion nomination. Everyone agreed that the article had been fixed enough to not be deleted but administrators disagreed with my claim that wikipedia guidelines had been violated. --Uiteoi (talk) 20:11, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

The article had not been improved enough. If you'd taken the time wasted to complain about the appropriate taggings of the article to instead write original prose, then the article may have been improved enough. However, copying and pasting the lead from a copyrighted website just doesn't cut it. LaraLove|Talk 04:17, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

So in effect you are retaliating against me for complaining about the improper application of existing wikipedia guidelines. You are also making a big deal out of quote from the charter of a true Open-Source organization. Do you really think one second that OWF would sue Wikipedia or eWeek or any of a dozen blogs for citing an extract of their charter that they need to communicate to the public? --uiteoi (talk) 08:16, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

No, that's not what I'm saying at all. If I wanted to retaliate for whatever reason, I would have just deleted it. What I said was that if you'd spent time rewriting in your own words instead of bringing a thread on AN/I against two editors whom you did not inform of the thread, then perhaps it would have been of a quality deserving of the mainspace. And I don't think many people would sue Wikipedia, but that's not the point. We have policies, guidelines and that pesky little law. So, it's about consistency. LaraLove|Talk 17:54, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

As I mentioned before, the thread on AN/I was not targeted at any user. I just wanted to bring to the attention of administrators that there was a problem with the application of existing wikipedia guidelines in general. Specifically hasty tagging is improper and disrespectful of the time provided by contributors and violates the vast majority wikipedia guidelines. The time I spend on the article itself is an entirely different subject. Finally, doesn't wikipedia guidelines allow the citation of sources? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Uiteoi (talk • contribs) 09:19, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

You look busy.

I'm very concerned with the Dave Navarro article. TV.com is used 4 times as a reference and some information, like his grandfather being an illegal immigrant, is not relevant. Anyone can edit TV.com. Does Wiki consider it a good source? Craig Montgomery (talk) 22:45, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Also, can you put that smiley face on my userpage? Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Craig Montgomery (talk • contribs) 22:46, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

I think I am having my first edit conflict. An admin said Pagan was "Its a pejoritive term used by Christians, and unless you have a very good source where the subject of this article uses the precise word "pagan" it stays out. Its an insulting term."

I looked up Pagan here, and it says its a religion. When the admin says it stays out - does that mean I can do anything? I added it back and used a source, but I do not want to fight. I also asked the admin on his talk page about removing it. I'm not sure what more I can do. Am I overstepping or is this just kiddles and bits. Craig Montgomery (talk) 10:09, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Okay, so to the first point. TV.com is not a reliable source. Looks like it's been removed already. As for the smiley, sure thing. For paganism, I guess it's a case of where you live, gotta love those terms... don't ask, long story. Anyway, considering it's apparently offensive to some westerners and used as an insult by Christians to label anyone with beliefs outside of their own, it's probably best not to use it unless there is a reliable source that does. It does classify religions, or lack there of, so you're right. It just has meanings too broad, and in such cases, it's best to keep them off-wiki... trust me. LaraLove|Talk 18:29, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

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Help undeleting template

Hi, Lara. Could you please undelete Template:User_WikiProject_MusicBrainz. The project is not inactive and I believe the template was deleted in error. Thanks for your help! --Mperry (talk) 16:13, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for restoring the template. --Mperry (talk) 21:26, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

No problem. LaraLove|Talk 02:41, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

MJK

Hey LaraLove. Was wondering if you could possibly verify if Keenan was a member of RATM for a short time. I read in a Kerrang! Magazine that he was. Skomorokh found some very useful pieces of info on him, but suggested I ask you, as you know a good bit on the subject!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tool-apc (talk • contribs) 21:59, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

I'll see what I can find out. LaraLove|Talk 18:53, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Okay, so I did some searches and went back over my print sources. I read dozens of interviews and bios during my research to bring MJK to FA. None of them mentioned him as having ever been a member of RAGE. He did background vocals in their self-titled album and performed the bridge in "Know Your Enemy", he's performed with them in concert, but he's never been listed as a member.

Before Tool, he was a member of TexANS and Children of the Anachronistic Dynasty. He was a member of Tapeworm, and was Billy Bob in Green Jelly. He then of course joined APC and later started Puscifer. That's it. Some details about his involvement with Tapeworm and Green Jelly should be added to his bio. It's fairly insignificant, as there wasn't much success, and technically nothing released from Tapeworm, but still worth mention. As far as RAGE, I welcome some RS, but I've read nothing about it.

If there's something reliable to suggest that he may have once been a member, I'm three degrees from Maynard and can attempt to get a definite word, but no promises. I do, however, think he'd be listed in the personnel of an album if it were the case, so sit in serious doubt at this point. LaraLove|Talk 19:51, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Hello!

Thanks for reverting that smiley template! I have it now on my watchlist. Thanks again! <3 --ɔɹǝɐɯʎ!^Talk 16:52, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Haha, no problem. LaraLove|Talk 18:55, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

User:Thedevilsmode

I really don't think this was Grawp -- the writing style and edit history aren't similar. NawlinWiki (talk) 12:52, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

I didn't think it was Grawp. Considering the user named you, however, I thought you may have an idea of who he is. Obviously a sock of someone. LaraLove|Talk 15:09, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

I was thinking it was some Encyclopedia Dramatica troll, but this edit makes me think otherwise, as I've blocked several of Hiwhispees' socks before. Thanks for letting me know. :) Acalamari 15:45, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Yea, someone sent me that link this morning. I figured it was just a matter of time before he got handled. LaraLove|Talk

Rollback

May I have rollback please? As you may know, I am an admin on Wikiquote [2] so I know how to use the tool.--Yehudi (talk) 16:47, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Welcome to rollbackership, or whatever. :) LaraLove|Talk 00:39, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Comments wanted about new changes proposed to date and other wikiliking

Recently a few editors have undertaken a widespread program of reversing the current wikilink system as well as undoing previous links. See: [3] and [4]. In the second instance, the edit change campaigning is accompanied by some unusual prickly comments, see:[5] when I came to the defence of our own prickly BillCJ, a stalwart of the WP:Aviation Project Group. What gives? FWiW, Lara, you have helped sort out some issues in the past, but is this campaigning really appropriate? The same message seems to have cropped up in a zillion (well maybe not a zillion...) places. Bzuk (talk) 19:00, 31 July 2008 (UTC).

There's some discussion on the guide talk page. It looks like this is a move we (as a project) are making. Perhaps something to get involved in, but I don't see any issues here. I wouldn't consider that edit summary "prickly", but then, I can be more abrasive than some, and thus don't take things to be as offensive as others do. I recommend getting involved in discussion on the guide talk page. LaraLove|Talk 02:36, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Lara, I agree that it is a more "elegant" solution to the date conundrum but I did notice that the notification about the proposed change which still remains optional was placed on many sites and appeared to be canvassing for support. FWiW, the "prickly" comment seemed to be a part of a MoA of the particular editor. I still use a "water off a duck's back" approach to these kinds of comments, especially when I am attempting to intercede to calm things down. Bzuk (talk) 16:07, 1 August 2008 (UTC).