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madonna

I just wanted to let you know that I didn't undo your edit, per se. The date changing vandal had changed the date in the edit before you, and then your "cleanup" used his wrong date. Fandomuser21 (talk) 11:42, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

Do not revert the changes I made. First see the sources used and stop adding authority control when none exists. —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 13:24, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

First of all, the Wikidata page exists. There is nothing wrong with me adding authority control. How was I to know that none of the information would post.

But as to the sources - sure, you found a source that said what you wanted it to say. While ignoring the sources that say it was released even earlier

Musicbraiz, which would normally show in the authority control - https://musicbrainz.org/release-group/88f4aea6-617a-305b-ab3d-9433dc2d5c6f

the upc - http://www.upcitemdb.com/upc/93624188728

the documentary that aired just before the release - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0398172/

https://todayinmadonnahistory.com/2017/11/29/today-in-madonna-history-november-29-1994-2/

http://www.muxicbeats.com/madonna-takeabow/

https://rateyourmusic.com/release/single/madonna/take-a-bow-1/

And the most important thing to remember is - that is all the date changing vandal does. He changes dates of pages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fandomuser21 (talk • contribs) 16:19, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

@Fandomuser21: let me respond to each and every point then. 1) MusicBrainz is a catalogue website editable by any editor much like Disccogs → Unreliable 2) UPC site does not show any date and again, is not reliable 3) The documentary is about the making of the music video, and does not seem like any credible information for obtaining a release date which is for commercially available content, not a music clip 4)–5) Unreliable content. And finally, date vandal or not, it is your onus to check an edit before reverting it blindly, which you did not and blindly reverted my other changes also. —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 02:10, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

Please don't

tell people to 'f... off'. Regards, Ariconte (talk) 02:37, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

WP:SPAMMERS, I will. —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 02:38, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

Tormented (Staind album)

I was wondering if you're able to review the article yet. I hope I didn't sound rude saying this. It's just that I think there might be a week for you to be able to review it, according to something I read. And if I'm being rude I apologize. I just was hoping you wouldn't forget to review the article. Statik N (talk) 20:33, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

I will review it. The week for reviewing is just a norm, not any guideline. I'm stuck with an article which I'm finishing off pretty fast so will review ur nom in 1/2 days. —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 02:56, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Joanne, The Fame & Lemonade

I’m sorry. I’m new here. But the changes I made was not false. It was based on chartmasters.org but I didn’t know how to add/change the referenced source. I was gonna add the reference later. It wasn’t a case of vandalism at all. I’ll try to be more careful though. LazerBeam17 (talk) 09:30, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

@LazerBeam17:, chartmasters.org is a gross, unreliable source and should never be used in any way. Please read reliable sources policy to understand how we deduce at reliable sources while verifying content. —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 09:43, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

@IndianBio:, shit I thought it was one of the most reliable sources for music sales. My bad. Truly. —LazerBeam17 (talk) 02:08, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

YouTube

WP:ELPOINTS stated: include appropriate external links in an "External links" section at the end of the article, and in the appropriate location within an infobox, if applicable. --> The guideline does allow YouTube links on the infobox, so it's just a matter of taste to put them in the infobox or the external links. I don't have any problems tho ;) Bluesatellite (talk) 05:15, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

That might be true for ELPOINTS, but I was referring to {{YouTube}} which states to use it in the External links only. I was going by what the second template was saying. —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 05:20, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

{{YouTube}} is a template, not a guideline. The guideline for External Links (WP:EL)clearly allows the placement of the links on the infobox. Besides, why they even made a space for YouTube on the "Misc" parameter if it against the guideline. Bluesatellite (talk) 05:50, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

As per my finding, it was some user who mass-migrated it to the infobox against consensus, saying wikidata to be exported or something. Ideally they are all well placed in the EL section and not cluttering the infobox unnecessarily. I have always wanted the infobox to be as concise as possible if you ask me. —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 06:01, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, the Last discussion mostly preferred to put it on the external links than on the infobox. Well... Bluesatellite (talk) 06:02, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Tormented Staind GA talk

I fixed the article. Statik N (talk) 02:29, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Everything Is Love

Would you like to weigh in this discussion regarding Metacritic's indication of "universal acclaim" be used to verify that this album "was met with widespread critical acclaim"? Editor SummerPhDv2.0 has objected to this, reasons detailed here above the discussion. Only if you interested. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 22:16, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

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Your GA nomination of Rescue Me (Madonna song)

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Madonna "Everybody" 7" Single

Hi - I am not sure if this message will reach you. I am not sure what to do to actually message someone. I own both the US anf French 7" singles - the French 7" has a picture sleeve. Both of these say on the record itself (Edit) at 3:58. You can also see this on EBAY if you look for listings for the 7" vinyl.

You need to add a source like how it is listed for the US one. —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 04:12, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

HELLO

Hi IndianBio -- can you please tell me if my sending a message here is reaching you? I am not sure how to actually message and talk to someone. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MADONNA29 (talk • contribs) 04:27, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

Yes it is reaching me, you can see here. —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 04:41, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Rescue Me (Madonna song)

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Congrats again on another GA! I see you've also got Talk:Mr. Peabody's Apples/GA1 going on and thought maybe August 16th could be a good time to have multiple DYKs for Madonna if that also passes in time. Given how the front page had a whole bunch of Frank Sinatra DYKs on his 100th birthday, you could probably make a good case for this particular occasion to have more than one entry shown for her at once. Snuggums (talk / edits) 04:38, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

Thank you @SNUGGUMS:. I just realized I have completely forgotten about the DYK process haven't nominated for gazillion years. I have to find out the process and QPQ again. —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 04:42, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

Of course. You've thankfully got a week after GA promotion to submit this to DYK and I'm sure you'll relearn enough in time for that. Just remember to leave a note on the page saying you want it featured on August 16th if you'd like it to be featured on her birthday. Snuggums (talk / edits) 04:45, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

Let me try with this one. But I would have preferred to nominate "Music" since its a much more known Madonna song, but its been seven days since it passed GA. I won't be considered right @SNUGGUMS:? —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 04:46, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

Yeah too late for the "Music" song unfortunately. However, if you get any other songs promoted in time, then feel free to submit those. Snuggums (talk / edits) 05:01, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

AllMusic

Would you like to weigh in this discussion regarding AllMusic should be in infoboxes over other publications. Only if you interested. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 23:16, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

finished Tormented article

i finished the article. I think the article might be good now. Thanks for the help! Statik N (talk) 23:20, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

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Cheap Thrills (song)

Patrolled user misleading reverted with saying "unsourced/undiscussed genre change", but actually the IP added with reference which saying "Caribbean-tinged dancehall banger" in Composition section. See this. 115.164.213.189 (talk) 10:58, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

No its not. The difference clearly shows that the IP included a source from People and then randomly updated the genres without any discussion. —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 11:01, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Bibliography of works on Madonna

Congrats on getting this to FL! Snuggums (talk / edits) 02:33, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Wow, thanks Snuggs! —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 04:20, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Sure thing bud :) Snuggums (talk / edits) 14:09, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

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Romanian certifications

Hi there! I saw that you've undone my edits on three Lady Gaga-related album pages, and I wanted to clarify the issue here. Social media can be used as far as it is an official statement (other examples include refs for Brazilian and Mexican certifications), which it is the case here. Also, you say that Universal Music Romania is not reliable, but, although that is not true, this does not matter that much here; the Uniunea Producătorilor de Fonograme din România (Romanian Phonographic Industry; UPFR) sets all certification levels, and that is certainly reliable. UPFR is the first Romanian trade association of music producers, with the purpose of promoting the professional interests of its members, as well as involving in the activity of anti-piracy. It has officially been advised to function as a collective management organisation and collector of compensatory remuneration in Romania. Also, the source contains a picture of Lady Gaga with the platinum discs she received. The certifications received by Gaga will remain listed here, but you can decide wether you want to trust me or have it removed from your articles. Best regards; Cartoon network freak (talk) 07:05, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

@Cartoon network freak: I'm well aware that Uniunea Producătorilor de Fonograme din România (Romanian Phonographic Industry; UPFR) sets the certification level. But what I don't see is where does the facebook link say the certification is from UPFR? This is certainly not the same case as AMPROFON or ABPD facebook pages which list the certification and can be used until the original website is updated. I'm shocked that you would even fathom using a facebook page from a record label for certification when that is specifically a primary source not acceptable in any form in Wikipedia. The albums most certainly cannot be present in this list and will be challenged. —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 08:19, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Even though the labels award the certification, it is still UPFR who coordinates everything, so it's them who are standing behind all certifications awarded. They set the certification levels, and they have to be taken into consideration by every label. Maybe those links (sadly in Romanian) are helpful: [1][2]. Cartoon network freak (talk) 08:43, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

That is the biggest croc I have ever read. The source from Telegraph Romania clearly states "the artist deserves the Diamond Discount", which essentially translates into that the artist should receive a Diamond certification. Nowhere in the sources state that Universal Music Romania has the authority to issue a certification. CNF, please prove this with WP:GOODCHARTS or bring this up in the reliable sources noticeboard. I'm not denying that UPFR has the right to set certification level. I won't in good conscience allow a label to issue certification and not from a governing body. And you know very well why both are not the same. —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 09:53, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

You have misinterpreted the Telegraf source. What I wanted you to see was this: "Casa de discuri i-a înmînat micuţei artiste dublul disc de platină pentru vînzări de aproape 40.000 de albume. Potrivit normelor stabilite de Uniunea Producătorilor de Fonograme din România, discul de aur se acordă pentru 2.000 de albume vîndute", which translates to: "The label awarded the singer a double diamond certification for sales of 40,000 album. According to the rules set up by Uniunea Producătorilor de Fonograme din România, gold is awarded for 2,000 albums." This means that every label gets the authorization to award certifications in behalf of UPFR if an album sold the required amount of copies. The "the artist deserves the Diamond Discount" part that you've pointed out is not really related to the subject of our discussion. The author just clarifies that for a diamond award, an album must sell over 10,000 copies sold with 7 euros, or 50,000 copies sold with less than 7 euros; given the fact that the singer sold 130,000 copies with 27 euros, the author says that the singer "really diserves the diamond certification". But again, this part is not really helpful for our discussion. The connection between the labels and UPFR is also written about in the other source I've given you. There is also another source [3] which clarifies that labels report the sales of their catalogue to UPFR. It's very clear that labels award certifications on behalf of UPFR. Actually, I don't think UPFR ever awarded something to someone; it was always the label who handed out certifications on their behalf. If you still think all I'm trying to explain to you are lies, then you may want to discuss on GOODCHARTS or RSN. Cartoon network freak (talk) 13:22, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

No I have not misinterpreted anything, whereas you are clearly assuming something which is not written. Nowhere (even in the last source) it is written that the label was given authority by UPFR to award the certifications on their behalf. Just because an album sold certain amount, the label created a plaque and gifted to the artist. That does not mean it is officially registered with the certifying body. Your statement This means that every label gets the authorization to award certifications in behalf of UPFR if an album sold the required amount of copies. is a clear interpretation and thereby is original research. And I most certainly will bring this up with WP:GOODCHARTS. —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 13:29, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Madonna "Beat Goes On"

Please stop undoing my correction. In English, the phrase "definite article" refers to the word "The." The original title of the demo was "The Beat Goes On" and the word "The" was dropped. Nothing in this review says or implies that the song "lost its originality."

For reference, please see: https://www.ef.edu/english-resources/english-grammar/definite-article/

Prufrock, please sign your posts and thanks for explaining something I was not aware of. —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 05:02, 14 July 2018 (UTC)