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Your submission at Articles for creation: Lost Islamic History: Reclaiming Muslim Civilisation from the Past (January 9)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by ReaderofthePack was:

This submission does not appear to be written in the formal tone expected of an encyclopedia article. Entries should be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources. Please rewrite your submission in a more encyclopedic format. Please make sure to avoid peacock terms that promote the subject.

The comment the reviewer left was:

This needs more/better sources than what is currently in the article.

Goodreads is not usable as a source on Wikipedia, as it's relatively easy for someone to gain permission to add or edit book information. It's also easy for people to sway ratings in one direction or another and it used to be extremely common for authors or publishers to try and do just this. Goodreads particularly has a history of this, especially when it came to bombing a book with negative reviews and ratings. I recommend looking up information on this as it's honestly both fascinating and horrifying at times how people reacted. This response from the SFWA touches on it lightly. In any case, reviews and ratings from social media type sites like Goodreads that accept user reviews aren't considered to really be relevant on Wikipedia unless there's a large amount of coverage for the ratings, as was the case with the film Saving Christmas and the book Bend, Not Break.

Primary sources like the book itself are usable, however they cannot establish notability.

The tweet is unlikely to be seen as in-depth enough to count towards notability. Yes, it's Imran Khan, a major public and political figure, but it's still extremely short. If there were to be a longer review published elsewhere, like a newspaper or an official website it would be different. It's just that this would likely be seen as a WP:TRIVIAL source by many, which can be frustrating.

Given the praise from Khan and the publisher, there's likely some coverage from academic and scholarly publications - I'd recommend hitting up JSTOR or other academic/scholarly databases and seeing what you can find there. Also, coverage doesn't have to be in English so if there is some coverage in other languages (even though this book is in English), that can be used as well.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

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ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 09:42, 9 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Incognipedia! Having an article declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 09:42, 9 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Notes

I've gone through and cleaned the draft and added some sourcing. I'm left kind of unsure of notability and more than a little irritated. It's one of those situations where I'd personally consider it to be notable. The first review is good and the tweet by the PM did get coverage, so that could potentially be considered enough. However because of the brevity of the tweet and the general lack of coverage as a whole, it's light enough to where I'm concerned that it could be challenged if I were to approve it. I think that it would be good to bring in a second person to review it. I'm going to tag someone whose opinion I trust when it comes to borderline cases. (@DGG:) DGG, I'm really torn on this one per what I wrote above. If you think that this could survive being live, then I have no problem with this being moved. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 09:12, 12 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

OK, left him a note on his talk page as well. If DGG doesn't think that this is viable then unfortunately there's not much else that can be done. I added all of the sourcing I could discover and unless there's more in another language, the only thing that can be done is to wait and see if more sourcing becomes available over time or if the author were to be notable. The more time that passes after a book's release, the less likely that coverage will become available, however it's possible that the May 2020 tweet may end up resulting in some additional interest - although of course, the further time gets from that point, the less likely that will be.

Now what I will say is that if he's the same person who created the Barack Obama "Joker" poster, then it may be worth looking into whether there's more coverage out there for him as an individual. There may be enough to argue for him to be notable per WP:NBIO. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 09:25, 12 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks again for help — Preceding unsigned comment added by Incognipedia (talk • contribs) 04:31, January 12, 2021 (UTC)

No problem! One note though - when you respond on a talk page, make sure that you sign using four tildes (~~~~) You can also sign using the toolbar above the editing area - the button for signing will look like an x followed by a scribble/signature and will come right after the bold and icon buttons. It just lets us know that it's you when you post. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 10:58, 12 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Here you go :) Incognipedia (talk) 11:06, 12 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! :) ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 11:07, 12 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Lost Islamic History: Reclaiming Muslim Civilisation from the Past has been accepted

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Theroadislong (talk) 18:43, 14 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Fredrik Alexandersson (August 25)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by KylieTastic was:

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

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KylieTastic (talk) 11:59, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia. FireflyBot (talk) 12:02, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]