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Can you do me a favor

Please do not slap the "unreferenced" tag on an entire article that has no controversy. Maybe you want to site a few lines, not the whole article. And please do not slap the tag on something that is a stub class. Benjwong 03:14, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Feel free to remove the tag if you like. Hydrogen Iodide 03:20, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

thanks

do u live in hayward?

ps thanks for correcting me and adding more about the Hayward City Center! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexh1013 (talk • contribs)

Your welcome! And no, I don't live in Hayward, but I am a Bay Area person =). Hydrogen Iodide 03:55, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

how do u know about the hayward city center? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexh1013 (talk • contribs)

Because I travel around the Bay Area a lot (I am bored), the Hayward Center is just across the Bay from where I reside. Hydrogen Iodide 04:03, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

i wish that the hayward city center will reopen someday, do you? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexh1013 (talk • contribs)

Yea, maybe build something like this. Hydrogen Iodide 04:09, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

i wish it would reopen because i want to see it lit up at night and so i could go there and see my house from the top floor.

ps i hang out there with friends alot. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexh1013 (talk • contribs)

Lit up? Haha, there's no shortage of lighting in where I was born, see A Symphony of Lights. Hydrogen Iodide 04:14, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Stewart Sloan article

You have added "citation needed" to the statement that Sloan was the English editor of the Asian Sport Divers' Journal. In fact he was listed in the magazine itself as one of the editorial staff. This would have been about ten years ago (when I used to go diving with him), but I don't have access to archived copies to give more details. He held the post for a couple of years, as I recall. Rodparkes 01:57, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

SFBA assessments

Hi, I see you've been doing a lot of good work on SF Bay Area articles. Good show. I also notice that when you are adding assessments you usually leave the "importance" field out, as in class=xxxx | importance=xxxx. It would be helpful if you can do that too while you're at it, unless you have a reason not to get into article importance. It's an inexact thing to be sure but it helps out when we're looking for inspiration of articles to improve or just read. Thanks, Wikidemo 00:14, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Rating of Georgian Bay article

You recently put a "start-class" rating on the project template for the GB article. Could you please provide some comments? I have to tell you, I have trouble seeing that article as start-class, compared with other articles. It is not a long article, but let's face it, it is a bay of one of the Great Lakes. It has a good variety of images and is reasonably well-written. It is lacking in references, though that shouldn't be hard to correct since there are sources listed. Perhaps you could take another look at it in a couple of weeks? Meantime I will add some "citation needed" tags and get on with it. Sunray 01:22, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Your name

I LOVE your name. I like how you say "HI" to everyone and they don't get it! It reminds me of a guy that I met with the license plate "PBFT"! I HAD to ask him if the cops watch him carefully, and he responded that I was the first person to get it. Royalbroil 19:58, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Haha, thanks. That "HI" only goes for people who don't vandalize. Hydrogen Iodide 20:44, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Archie Green

Hi HI. Given the formidable amount of assessment work you are doing, I'm hesitant to criticize. But Archie Green a "stub" article? And one minute later you gave David Bromige a "start" assessment (which I would agree with). What criteria are you applying here? Dwalls 02:34, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

I gave it a stub rating because the article does not mention much about Archie Green in San Francisco Bay Area. However, feel free to change the rating if you want. Hydrogen Iodide 02:37, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Franklin Dam

Hi, the tasmanian proposed dam never happened - and i think it was betacommand bot (how on earth it did that i dont know) tagged it as a lake. I have just removed the lake tag on the assumption that proposed then non existent dams do not deserve status within the lake project - please feel free to revert if there is such a contingency - however i would argue if wikipedia got clogged with proposed things that never happened it might need the space for another pedia like 'heroic failures'pedia or something - cheers SatuSuro 01:30, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

It took a year to get attention for lake pedder - one other editor. To put immediate attention is a bit ambitious! :) SatuSuro 02:20, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

pictures

do you have any pictures of the Hayward City Center? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexh1013 (talk • contribs) 05:38, August 25, 2007 (UTC)

No, but if you want, I can go take some pictures of the building. Hydrogen Iodide 06:00, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Lakes

Thank you for categorizing many of the articles with the project banner!

BTW adding a comma for numbers between 999 and 10,000 is considered debatable. Thus it may not be advisable to update an article just to add this. -- User:Docu —Preceding unsigned comment added by Docu (talk • contribs) 04:08, August 29, 2007 (UTC)

I beleive the WP:MOS says to add a comma every three digit places, but there are exceptions. I will keep this in mind. Hydrogen Iodide 04:28, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Good work on the categorization of the lake articles! Amazing how much it changed. I hope to get the number of articles with {{infobox lake}} to 4000 soon.

BTW I came across Decimal_separator#Thousands_separator. -- User:Docu

Even though this is late, I guess I should say this. When looking at the lake articles, I have noticed several problems with the units. I see a lot of the lake articles in northeast United States have inconsistent units (metric (SI units) here, english units there). I also have noticed several articles lack SI units. Lastily, I have seen english units used in metric countries (e.g. feet, mile in countries like Pakistan). I'm wondering if there is a task force in WP:LAKES that addresses this inconsistencies. Cheers. _{Hydrogen Iodide (HI!)} 19:18, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm aware of the problem. Eventually, I may standardize the format used in the infobox fields by bot (area, depth, elevation, volume, ..). I'm not exactly sure which way to do this, currently I use {{converta}} for new additions. -- User:Docu

Well there are also {{Unit mi}}, {{Unit km}}, {{Unit ft}} and {{Unit m}} specific conversion templates for shore lengths, lake depth, etc. _{Hydrogen Iodide (HI!)} 16:19, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

I'd rather have something like {{conv|52|ft}} or {{conv|42|sqmi}} that would expand to 52 ft (16 m) or 42 sq mi (110 km²). The template(s) would determine target type of unit, rounding and scale. Alternatively one could update the infobox to include distinct fields for units of measurement, similar to Category:Geobox -- User:Docu

Maybe we should start a task force on WikiProject Lakes that fixes and cleans up all these inconsistencies on lakes articles. _{Hydrogen Iodide (HI!)} 16:47, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you

Hey HI, thank you very much for the barnstar! As for the unsynchronised contributions, I completely agree. We should talk about the building lists and decide on a standard for editing. And great work on the San Francisco, Dubai, Hong Kong, and Sacramento lists! Have a good time on your wikibreak, and I look forward to speaking when you get back. :) Thanks, Raime 19:54, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome! I appriciate your words of encouragement! =P Hydrogen Iodide 23:55, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

First, I completely agree that Dallas and Houston deserve separate lists. And New York, along with Las Vegas, was going to my next collaboration - it needs images, more articles, a much better lead, and much less redlinks. Some of those building lists would be pretty short, but they should be created anyway. The only problem I have with that is that in theory we also need to create articles for each building, which will take forever. The one city I don't think needs is one is Portland, Maine; As far as I know, it has no skyscrapers. Portland, Oregon, yes. Albany really only has the Empire State Plaza buildings, so that list would probably not be necessary. Tucson also has very few skyscrapers; there are only 10 on SkyscraperPage, and all but 3 are 16 floors or less. But other than that, all of those cities definitely deserve lists. Do you think Oakland deserves it own list?

For the scrollable references, I am sorry to have reversed your work, but that was cited as a problem at WP:FLC that needed to be fixed before a list met FL standards. That is the only reason I removed them. Raime 03:56, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Alright, I guess the SF article needs to be split up. I think there will be a new section Notable buildings under 400 feet that will list all the bluelinked-buildings in SF. The redlinks will be removed in the completed section, As for buildings located outside of both Oakland and SF, I think they should go with the Oakland list.

The NYC list, I think there are already images in the bluelinked-building articles and the list could very well use those images. The second table needs to be organized and there needs to be notes on the sides, since many of NYC's buildings have a lot of history behind them. And somebody needs to start the Las Vegas list.

I might be changing the entires in the box a lot, so please don't mind the "You have new messages" box popping up again and again.

Oh, and don't worry about the scrollable ref, if its a problem, then just resort back to the list. Hydrogen Iodide 04:14, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

The problem is that "Notable buildings" may be seen as POV, and problematic in a FL nomination. I think just including them in the tallest buildings template would be enough. The thing with the redlinks is that simply removing them is not enough; actual articles will have to be created if the list is ever to be a FL, as skyscrapers satisfy criteria for notability.

Should I go ahead and request a move for the San Francisco list, then? It will need administrator assistance, since List of tallest buildings in San Francisco already redirects to the current article.

I plan on making the Las Vegas list tomorrow. This city is probably the one most in need of one, considering the immense development currently taking place.

Feel free to leave me as many messages as needed. I always welcome the orange box. :)

And finally, this is way off topic, but considering your extremely high edit count and your huge contributions, do have any interest in being nominated for adminship? Raime 04:26, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, I will deal with the SF list, there is a way around the problem that you mentioned. I'm sure you noticed the massive reader-unfriendly block of notes right? The reason why that monolithic block is there is because there was a long debate about the height and floor count of the One Rincon Hill south tower and that block clarifies at least some of the confusion. To get rid of the redlinks, well, I am not scared of creating hordes of new articles, I did this a year ago.

As for the admin thingy, I think I will wait on that a bit. Cheers. Hydrogen Iodide 05:03, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

I'll help creating articles if needed, as I've already done it for Boston and Philadelphia. For the notes, I think anything that what the building's website states is what should be referenced. Emporis is often wrong, and Skyscraperpage is often based on Emporis. The building's website is what should be used, as it is a primary source, and the Notes are a little lengthy. If One Rincon Hill needs a long note, that is fine, but for the others, I'd say just use official sites. Another thing - forums are generally frowned upon as references. I think there are more than than enough citations with Emporis, Skyscraperpage, and official websites, so I think that maybe the forum citations should be removed. Raime 05:16, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar

You deserve one of these far more than I do! It is unbelievable the amount of time you have put in the San Francisco buildings article, and then all of the work you have done on building lists in general. Great job!

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		For making over 10,000 edits in less than one month, and especially for devoting a large amount of time to improving tallest building lists. Thank you, and great job! Raime 03:41, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Your gladly welcome! =) =) Hydrogen Iodide 03:54, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

userboxes

can you origanize them for me? i dont know how to do it. Alexh1013 02:54, 2 September 2007 (UTC)Alexh1013

Hi

Thank you for welcoming me. Is wikipedia hard? Speed_CG 1:20, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, it depends. Hydrogen Iodide

New WikiProject

Wow, that would be great! But what about branching it into a "WikiProject Skyscrapers", with a Building List Task Force? I have long thought that a scyscraper/high-rise project is needed, as the Architecture project is not really specific enough. What would you think of that? Raime 19:05, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

I'd say we go with that. In addition, I also want to found WikiProject Engineering as well. However, as you can tell, I am bit busy right now with college/career advising. Hydrogen Iodide 00:57, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

An Engineering WikiProject would be great, especially since there is already the Engineering Portal and forum. Just let me know when your work cools down a little and you have time to start these projects; I'd be glad to co-found any of them. Raime 01:06, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

WP meetup

	In the area? You're invited to
	San Francisco Meetup 3
	Date: September 16th, 2007
	Place: Yerba Buena Gardens, 3pm
	San Francisco Meetup 2

-- phoebe/(talk) 06:40, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Update

Okay, I finished with List of tallest buildings in Miami and nominated it at WP:FLC. Do you want any help with the the San Francisco list now? I'd be glad to work on that one with you so that it can be nominated soon. I think it is going to be an extemely long amount of time before the Las Vegas list gets nominated; there are so many redlinks to remove and articles to create, and Emporis is missing almost half of the city's proposed buildings... Raime 04:20, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Alright, 400 feet standard it is. And yes, I would like some help with the notes. Cheers. Hydrogen Iodide 04:26, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I'm on it. Raime 04:29, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Proposed WikiProject Engineering

Hi. I have noticed that you are an active user who has expressed an interest for WikiProject Engineering to be created. The proposal doesn't seem to have gone far so I have created a temporary project page at User:Tbo 157/WikiProject Engineering to attract more users and also so that there is a page ready when the WikiProject is fully up anfd running. You are very welcome to add to the page. Thanks. Tbo ¹⁵⁷talk 16:19, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

San Francisco list

Okay, I have a question about the image for BoFA tower/555 California to use in the article. Neither one is great, but I question if the foggy image is really better than the angled image, as it makes the picture unclear and does not do the building justice. Which one do you like for the list? Still the foggy one?

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Now, what should we do about the lead? It is far too long with 4 paragraphs, and contains some info that that is not completely relevant to the buildings' heights. I was thinking about cutting out the 3rd paragraph entirely, moving the info about the proposed supertalls to the last paragraph, moving info about the TA Pyramid to the first and adding info about skyline ranking per the Boston, Philadelphia, and Miami lists in the 2nd. What do you think? Raime 18:28, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Lets go with the foggy image for now, until I have time to go and take a better pic.

As for the intro, sounds like a great idea. I will go delete the 3rd paragraph. Hydrogen Iodide 18:39, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Wikiproject Engineering

Hi. Thanks for contacting me. I have moved the project to the wikipedia space. Tbo ¹⁵⁷talk 16:32, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Skyscrapers and San Francisco

Okay, let me start off by saying great new sig. Sorry that I completely copied your idea! :) I have been meaning to create a custom sig for months, but never got around to it.

Okay, now on to the skyscraper project. I think we should follow along the lines of WikiProject Engineering (which looks great - fantastic job on all your work) and officially propose it, and then create a user sub-page. We can wait some time before actually starting the project, and in that time we can make prelimanry adjustments to the page, invite new members, and oragnize a space to coordinate our building list efforts from. If you are okay with it, I can create the subpage now.

Now on to San Francisco. We really need to shorten the notes about the buildings' different height figures. Would you be okay with it if I edited these sections and just used information from either Emporis or the building websites? Emporis is largely regarded as a better source than SkyscraperPage. And we also need to edit out some of the U/C pictures; they are too small, and the large quantity is creating a big area of white space on larger browsers. Rai-me 19:36, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks =). Alright, I guess it's time to propose the Skyscraper WikiProject as a descendant of the Architecture Project. I would also like to found a descendant WikiProject of WP:Civil Engineering, WikiProject Construction. I guess for these two projects, propose it, and wait a couple of months for support, unless there is a flood of new members.

As for the San Francisco list, alright. Let's go with the developer on floor counts if Emporis does not have a webpage for the building (too many). For the two tallest projects U/C, lets go with the developer, not Emporis. _{Hydrogen Iodide (HI!)} 19:46, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

However, I say hold off on the list work until we are finished setting up the Engineering Project. _{Hydrogen Iodide (HI!)} 19:59, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

You helped choose Geography of New Jersey as this week's WP:ACID winner

Zginder 12:59, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Smile

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Burj Dubai‎

The Burj Dubai article received heavy editing today by new/unregistered users, which I noticed at WikiRage.com. The article may benefit from a good review. According to Wikipedia Page History Statistics, you are one of the top contributors to that page. If you have the time, would you please read over the article and make any necessary changes. Thanks. -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 16:59, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Re: Skyscraper Notability

I know what you mean; when I was writing the Miami building stub articles, Brickell Station (development) was tagged for speedy deletion, but was ultimately kept. This is the only problem I have had with regards to this issue, but it will likely happen again. Posting on the WP:NOTABILITY talk page would definitely be a good idea; it would be a shame to spend much time writing San Francisco, Las Vegas, etc. building articles just to see them tagged for proposed or speedy deletion. Rai-me 02:44, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

From my experience, adding an image (which are very easy to come by for proposed/approved/U/C skyscrapers) and some references seemed to make the article notable. I am very surprised that a referenced article was deleted; this should not happen. If references don't make a skyscraper article notable, what does? I think that we should definitely bring this up at WP:NOTABILITY. Perhaps the argument can be made that if references to Emporis and/or SkyscraperPage, Structurae, building websites, etc., are obtained, and the article has an infobox, then a building should be considered notable. What do you think? Rai-me 04:14, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree; I think we will definitely run into problems about building lists that are composed of mostly shorter buildings. But I am worried that these such lists with many redlinks will not be passed at WP:FLC, as they would not be considered "complete".

This is off-topic, but on the Albuquerque list, do you think that that many buildings should be listed? I would think that a 150 ft height limit would be acceptable.

Anyway, the thing is, many of those redlinked Albuquerque buildings would likely meet notability guidelines not for the heights, but rather for their specific functions. For example, Veterans Administration Medical Center, Albuquerque Regional Medical Center, and Presbyterian Hospital would probably meet WP:N as important hospitals in the city, while Bernalillo County Courthouse might meet WP:N as a government center. But other than the exceptions, I guess de-linking the redlinked buildings would probably be best. If these lists are nominated at WP:FLC, and this concept is brought up as a concern, we can always use the argument that the smaller buildings do not meet notability guidelines, and that the lists are therefore acceptably "complete". Rai-me 03:36, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Miami building list

If you get a chance, would you mind reviewing List of tallest buildings in Miami at WP:FLC (discussion can be found here)? Reviewing at FLC has been a little slow recently, and it needs more support to pass. Thank you! Rai-me 03:27, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

You helped choose Geography of New Jersey as this week's WP:ACID winner

--ZeWrestler ^Talk 19:52, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar

		WikiMedal for Janitorial Services
		For your behind-the-scenes edits, as well as your timely and concise reports to UAA. Jmlk17 07:53, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the award. =) Cheers. _{Hydrogen Iodide (HI!)} 07:53, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Subst

Just so you know, {{welcome}} should be substed. Cheers,JetLover (Report a mistake) 22:00, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Your name

Wow...I didn't know there was someone with a name similar to mine. Nice work :) Dihydrogen Monoxide (H₂O) 05:02, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Haha! Thanks! _{Hydrogen Iodide (HI!)} 16:49, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

You helped choose Parliament House, Canberra as this week's WP:ACID winner

JoshuaArgent 06:03, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Path 66

Thanks for all your work on Path 66. It's been hard to follow, though: you've made around 20 edits over the last few hours. Any chance you could use "Show preview" instead of "Save page"? See template:preview for the reasoning. Thanks. —EncMstr 03:38, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

thank you

I am most appreciative of your graciousness in welcoming me.

7390r0g 04:33, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome! =) _{Hydrogen Iodide (HI!)} 04:34, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Your edit to Ridge Route

Please see Wikipedia:Redirect#Do not change links to redirects that are not broken; thank you. --NE2 00:08, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Re: Bellvue buildings and other stuff

Oops, my mistake. The city has much more buildings than I had expected. I have re-split the list. But I am a little wary of listing some of Emporis' bildings. Buildings without heights generally should not be included in a list that ranks by height and has a height minimum. And I was thinking we probably should raise the height limit to about 150 ft; 115 is very low, and Emporis' definition of a high-rise is not necessarily what we should use.

As for the San Francisco list, that sounds great. I'm going to work on some last minute lead work and note trimming, But other than that I think it is almost ready. And thank you about the Miami list! You deserve plenty of credit for it as well; it looked great before I even started on it. Rai-me 00:19, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Okay, sorry it took so long for me to respond. I have just listed the San Francisco building list at WP:FLC (nomination can be found here. Terrific work on that article; it looks fantastic, and is certainly ready to be a FL. I somewhat rewrote the lead as a I promised I would do weeks ago, and unfortunately I also trimmed out some of the building notes. They were for the most part very interesting, but unfortunately did not relate directly to building height (I ran into that exact problem when I nominated the Providence and Boston lists). Rai-me 04:47, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

I think that the Bellevue list looks very good as is, with your recent edits - great job. 150 ft is a good limit for that particular city. But I agree; 150 ft is a little too high for other cities. I was thinking more like 125 ft for very small cities.

And thank you very much about the Treasure Island article. I have a picture, and I'll upload it soon. But the article still needs work, so any additions you can provide would be greatly appreciated. :) And I think it would be great to clean up the Transbay development article as well. Rai-me 04:51, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Sorry I did not respond to anything last niht or today. I have been very busy. Anyway, the Transbay article looks great. As for that one section, I wouldn't necessarily consider it entirely "unencyclopedic", but I think it could be worded slightly better. Senetnces like There is a tower crane poking up from the site as well, a sure sign for motorists that change is happening and The meeting/event floor or the second floor of the lobby could be seen as well should probably be removed. Also, some sentences like The crane was raised back up when a replacement part came in and the part was installed on the crane don't seem very relevant to the actual building's progress. Rai-me 19:45, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Transbay stuff

When I read your great new version of the Transbay terminal article, it seemed to me that there is enough information to create newarticles for the main Transbay Tower and the Renzo Piano towers. I don't think having two infoboxes for 3 buildings in a page that encompasses 13 buildings is very complete. I would be happy to create the articles, as you seem very busy at work with One Rincon Hill (which also looks great).

And another question - do you think we should remove the possibility of adding a "Tallest cancelled" sections to building lists? I was about to add one for thge Boston, Miami, Providence and Philadelphia lists, until I saw Circeus' comment. And I have to say, I somewhat agree. Tallest building lists don't really seem like the place to lists all buildings that were at one time proposed for a city, but will never actually become "tallest buildings."

And do you mind if edit your building list page? I think that as soon as WikiProject Skyscrapers is created, we should tranfer that information into a building list subproject / task force. Thanks, Rai-me 19:52, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

(Brief response) Alright, I think it's about time to create new articles for the three supertall buildings.

I don't think tallest canceled should be included anymore into the building lists. Canceled projects usually stay canceled. However, I have seen revived projects in Bellevue, Washington, so I guess it would be best to leave the canceled projects there for now.

No, I don't mind editing my building list page. I had created that page with the goal that someday that page will turn into a subpage of a new wikiproject. Cheers. _{Hydrogen Iodide (HI!)} 19:59, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Next list

I would say either Oakland, Las Vegas, or Houston. Oakland is probably the closest to FL-standards at this moment, so it would be a wise choice. But any one of those 3 would be fine for me. The thing I'm not sure about with the Oakland list is the inclusion of non-Oakland buildings, such as the one in San Jose. I don't think they really should be included.

What would you think about trying to get these United States tallest buildings list to a Featured Topic? Sure, it would take months, but I think it would be a good goal to work towards. Obviously, this would mean that List of tallest buildings in the United States would also need to be featured. The thing I am not sure about is what to make the inclusion standards for this hypothetical FT. Would it be largest cities or largest metro areas? And do you think this idea is even plausible? Rai-me 00:09, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

You know, now that I think about it, Oakland may not be the next best list to do. I doubt it would ever pass at FLC with 3 blue links and 17 redlinks. It is very incomplete, and very short. Perhaps we should focus on the larger cities with larger skylines and more building articles already in existance? Rai-me 01:12, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Houston, maybe??? Cheers. _{Hydrogen Iodide (HI!)} 01:34, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Or Albuquerque? _{Hydrogen Iodide (HI!)} 01:37, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Albuquerque would be good. I have been working on Houston, but in total there will be 42 buildings over 400 ft, and only about 7 have articles, so that could get pretty tedious. The Albuquerque list looks good. What do you think about the Featured Topic thing? Rai-me 02:10, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

I think I want to hold off on the Featured Topic thing until December. I probably will be busy until mid-December with college. I guess December will be a big month of Wikipedians interested in Skyscrapers (Featured topic thing, WikiProject skyscrapers, task force (maintaince), etc). Cheers. _{Hydrogen Iodide (HI!)} 02:13, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

More information

Okay, I see what you mean about the FT. It would take months to complete if we were to do it, so I will probably try to work on one tallest building list FL at a time until December. As you already know, I created this page to help us keep track of the "tallest cities" in the United States. I think that the 500ft+ criteria is a better method for determining what cities should belong in a hypothetical FT rather than by population.

Now, about the next list. I know it is almost Friday, and so the time is almost up, but perhaps we should focus on the Houston list instead of the Albuquerque one. Unfortunatley, Albuquerque wouldn't make the cut for the FT, so maybe we should focus on improving the lists that would be included. The Houstoin list mostly just needs some of the redlinks to become blue. Rai-me 21:48, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Re: What cities to include in the US tallest lists template

I agree about the Fort Collins and Laredo lists. They were ridiculously short, with no possibility of expansion, and did not really belong on the template.

I am really not sure about deletion review for the Hartford list. It was a copyright violation, and needed severe wikification and clean up, but these were fixable concerns. I was never a fan of the list, as no buildings had articles, but then again that does not mean it should be deleted. I guess I think we would be better off leaving it alone and starting from scratch later on, after we are finished working on the larger city lists.

Unfortunately, I think that the San Francisco nomination is going to fail. It is really too bad, as it has 3 supports and 0 opposes, but it needs 4 suports to pass, and it has been nominated for over 10 days. Without a 4th support, I think I am going to have to close it as a failed nomination, and re-nominate it at a later date. And, I know you are busy, but if you look at the San Francisco nomination page, you will see that an oppose was based on the fact that there were redlinks in the main building list. It looks that despite our discussion at WP:N, all existing buildings in the "Tallest buildings" lists will need to have articles to pass as FLs.

And, this is an off-topic comment, but do you think we should request a move for the 555 California Street article? I think it is clear that the BoFA Center is no longer the common name, let alone the official name. I have noticed this problem with several Dallas buildings; common names are not being used. Rai-me 20:22, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

I think that the lack of support is more due to lack of participation; Circeus and Crzycheetah seem to have recently been the only active participants. I think that as long as all existing buildings have articles, then we should be all set. Miami and Philadelphia have both seen articles deleted, but they have both been future building articles. Rai-me 21:06, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

I think it would be a good idea to rename External links to References, but it would not be necessary to use in-line citations, at least not for the average stub article. In-line citations are not even required for GAs that are less than a page long. Citing any references without the {{reflist}} template would, I think, be perfectly acceptable.

Oh, and I am not sure if you already know, but User:Sahmeditor has created a temporary Wikiproject Skyscraper page here. Any input you could provide would be greatly appreciated. Rai-me 00:18, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Update: I have requested a move for the BoFA Center to 555 California Street here. Rai-me 23:45, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Re:Question and smile

Let me start of with this:

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Congratulations on the FL pass of the San Francisco list today! It was long overdue, but I am happy to report (but I am sure you already know) that the list has received 4 support votes, so I was able to pass it earlier today.

As for the buildings with no heights, to me it seems rather ambiguous to place buildings without given heights in a completed building list measuring by height. So I guess my answer would be no, but of course excluding all future buildings that have floor counts which will obviously cause a building to meet height criteria. What specific buildings can you find no height information for? If these buildings are included in any list that could be nominated as an FL, then all information would have to found for all completed buildings in order for the list to meet criteria. Rai-me 23:48, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Request

Hi! My friend Jeffrey Stern asked me to delete the article I made about him. I tried to create a new account to do so, but that doesn't seem to work. Can you properly nominate the article for deletion? He said he doesn't feel comfortable with it. Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rangerkeeper (talk • contribs) 06:11, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

You helped choose Franz Liszt as this week's WP:ACID winner

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One Rincon Hill

Upgraded article rating to B class and wrote a note about improvements to acquire GA class. Good luck with your article, it was an interesting read. It was good to see that you addressed many peer review (archived) requests. Kind Regards SriMesh | talk 01:59, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

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Thank you! Cheers. _{Hydrogen Iodide (HI!)} 07:54, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for dealing with the recent vandalism to my user page. Kind of amusing to be accused of knowing nothing about the town I grew up in. - Jmabel | Talk 17:59, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Re:Engineering project page expansion

Hi. Thanks for contacting me. I have responded on the main WikiProject engineering talk page. Thanks. Tbo ¹⁵⁷(talk) (review) 00:03, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Thank you!

Hey HI, sorry I took so long to thank you for your generous barnstar and high fives. I have been working on the Dallas list and attempting to bring it up to FL standards, and I finally succeeded and nominated it at FLC a few minutes ago.

Anyway, thank you! And I wanted to let you know that I am thinking of starting a building list Featured topic drive page soon, similar to the NHL award FT drive page. I know you are extremely busy, and that you won't be ready to work on the FT until December, but I just thought that it might be a good idea to create the page to coordiante all future activities and to clarify exactly what lists (I was thinking top 20 skylines) need to be created and expanded. What do you think? Cheers, Rai-me 07:33, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and I don't think I can say it enough, but congrats and great work on the San Francisco list. I merely nominated list; it was you who did most of the work. Great job! :) Rai-me 07:35, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Update

Okay, I have the Featured Topic Drive page up and running at WP:SKYSCRAPER/FTD. Since WP:SKYSCRAPER hasn't moved to the Wikipedia space yet, I just created the FTD in my sandbox. It can be moved when the project expands. Any work you can do to the page would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Rai-me 18:41, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Hey HI, it is great to see that you have taken an interest in the page. Any ideas on how to improve it? Also, just wanted to let you know, I've reworked the Interested user(s) column into a Claim column to specifically list articles users are working on at the moment, as interested users was just too broad. I didn't want to remove your name from any of the entries, as I am unsure what lists you plan to work on in the meediate future. Thanks, Rai-me 20:52, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Re:Question

Yes, 250 ft definitely seems good, as 300 is just not enough and 200 is unnecessarily broad.

I also have a question, about the Seattle list: Do you think we should subdivide the future buildings section? There are quite a few buildings for each category, and the section may be too lengthy to keep as one table. Rai-me 04:20, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

I would say either 200 ft or even as low as 150 ft, as 11 buildings is a pretty low number. For the Sacramento list, do you really think that subdividing the future buildings section is necessary? And same goes for the Portland list. It really does not seem that there are enough buildings in either city to warrant the subdivisions.

Oh, any I have a question regarding the creation of a Sunny Isles Beach tallest building list. Do you think we need to include this city in the FT? There are no images, and many of the buildings claiming to be under construction on SkyscraperPage are not even listed on Emporis. On top of that, no articles for any buildings in the city exist, so it would be an extremely long process to even get the image-less list to FLC, let alone get it passed. Do you think we should skip over the city, based on Emporis' lack of posted 500 ft+ buildings, and then include Cleveland, the next city? Rai-me 01:55, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I will go ahead and move it and the building list page, as well as the FTD. What should we do about the skyline rankings page? I am not sure if it is needed for the project, and it certainly could not stand as its own article. Rai-me 22:09, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

It was my mistake; I incorrectly named it, so I nominated the redirect page with the correct title (which the project needs to be moved to) for speedy deletion under the housekeeping criterion per standard procedure. It will be fixed soon, and I apologize about that. And yes, I think I will leave it in my sandbox.

Can you coordinate the assessment page for the project, as you basically did for WP:ENGN, when you have the time? I am just about done with the project banner template. Rai-me 23:17, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Ratings: FL vs. FA

Hey HI. Just so you know, I don't think we should ever use the FL-rating. This is very inconsistent with most projects. It even states as a promotion procedure at WP:FLC to change any ratings to FA. Also, do you think it would be appropriate to place the WikiProject Skyscrapers above the Architecture tag, if not abve the city tag as well? Cheers, Rai-me 11:26, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Image tagging

I don't think we should make image tagging comprehensive. Only a few which are widely used in the project should be tagged, per WP:VOLCANO. Cheers, Rai-me 11:49, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

CfD contribution

Hi there - just wondering whether you really meant to say "delete per nom" when the nominator was seeking a rename? Here's the discussion. Regards, Bencherlite^Talk 01:40, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

• Yeah, blame me! I jumped off the cliff and you followed! // FrankB 03:43, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Opps! _{Hydrogen Iodide (HI!)} 06:42, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

FYI renaming of Category

This is just "FYI" as I noticed you participated in the the renaming of Shows on Adult Swim. It may have had some unintended consequences. I have posted a comment on the Category's talk page. ++Arx Fortis 18:00, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

You helped choose Cool (aesthetic) as this week's WP:ACID winner

BorgQueen 00:19, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

broken refs

OK, you've done "prep work" five days ago, now can you finish so we don't have 53 broken refs at the bottom of the page? The same goes for the nine other "List of tallest buildings in..." articles that have the same problem. Pagrashtak 20:57, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Don't worry about the broken refs, I will just hide {{reflist}} if the refs appear unsightly. Eventually, the refs will be filled in and completed. Cheers. _{Hydrogen Iodide (HI!)} 22:51, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Why don't you just wait until you can add the actual reference? Having citations that don't link to anything and don't contain an actual reference is very misleading to the reader. Pagrashtak 14:46, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

I was hoping that some other editor would finish the reference work, as implied by WP:BOLD. Cheers. _{Hydrogen Iodide (HI!)} 08:49, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

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		for reverting vandalism on my talk page. NHRHS2010 talk 13:15, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. =) _{Hydrogen Iodide (HI!)} 07:54, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Skyscrapers Invitation

Hydrogen Iodide, you recently invited me to the WikiProject Skyscrapers. I read through the article about the project, but I am still confused about a few things. Does membership in this WikiProject require certain tasks that must be performed, and is there a strict schedule to perform these tasks? Thank you very much. --Leitmanp 20:22, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Unsourced skyscrapers

If I am not able to find a source for a skyscraper, should I delete it? In the List of tallest buildings in Dubai, in the "Tallest buildings" section, there are 5 skyscrapers in Jumeirah Beach Residence. On Emporis, there is no listed height, just the number of floors. The same goes for SkyscraperPage Diagrams. I do not know how someone was able to list them there without knowing the exact height. What should I do? --Leitmanp 03:36, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Notability and Dubai buildings

Thank you for the link to the notability discussion. And as to your question about the inclusion of Arabic names: I do not think it should be included. In Dubai, everyone uses English. Buildings are given English names, and some are given English transliterations (such as the Burj Dubai). If you were to look at the construction boards at the construction sites, everything is written in English. Although I am not familiar with the naming of buildings in East Asia, I believe each buiding has two names there. In Dubai, there is only one. --Leitmanp (talk|contributions) 03:22, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Regarding your proposition to work on other lists about buildings in the Middle East, I would be glad to help. But, I must say this: I know almost nothing about skyscrapers in other Middle Eastern cities. Dubai is my strength. I wish I did know more, and hopefully working on these articles will help me. --Leitmanp (talk|contributions) 05:16, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

I also think that that is a great idea, and would definitely be willing to help. Perhaps we can also make building lists for each major Chinese, (not sure if they all have one yet), European, and Australian city as well. Rai-me 05:50, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Re:Task Forces and a barnstar

Oh, and I think that creating the task force for article/list maintenance would be agood idea, although I think that the project is not ready for a building list task force quite yet, as it is still very young.

And, let me give you this as a token of my appreciation for your extreme work with WP:SKYSCRAPERS:

		The Working Man's Barnstar
		For tagging over 1,000 articles with the {{Skyscrapers}} template in only a few days and for working so hard to get WikiProject Skyscrapers up and running: Thank you and keep up the great work! Rai-me 05:50, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

;-) Rai-me 05:50, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Dubai Sheraton

Do you think we should bring this article to deletion review? I am not sure how it could have been much more improved to meet notability requirements. Rai-me 12:12, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

I have started the deletion review here. Rai-me 05:18, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

I would support the creation of a new skyscraper/building guideline (though perhaps it should also include existing buildings), citing the Sheraton Dubai DRV/AfD as a reason that the guideline is needed. What would the standards be, though? Even if a guideline is in place, if a FL has too many redlinks, it will not pass. Rai-me 22:03, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

You helped choose Atom as this week's WP:ACID winner

Zginder 00:16, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

I had a feeling you wanted this...

Click here for the image... 345 California Center with its tweezer top, just like you said per here. Click on the link for more! :) -Goodshoped 04:37, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you

...for reverting vandalism on my talkpage. Thank you =) cheers, --guyzero | talk 04:50, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Admin

Hi. I'd like to nominate you as an admin, as I think you're qualified. Let me know if you're interested. Epbr123 11:56, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Leitmanp's Contributions

Hydrogen Iodide, I am sorry to say, but I will not be able to contribute to any articles or lists for a while. My computer is currently broken and I cannot connect to the Internet. This problem will not be fixed for a few weeks. I feel so bad that I said I would help on articles and lists relating to buildings in the Middle East and now I cannot. Sorry once again, and good luck. --Leitmanp (talk|contributions) 06:47, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

I am back. Is there anything I should know about regarding the Dubai or Middle East lists that came up while I was gone? Is there anything that I can possibly help you with? Also, I noticed that you have been leaving messages under "Deletion review and Afd debate" on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Skyscrapers. Two buldings/articles that might fall under this category include Tamweel Tower and World Trade Centre Residence. --Leitmanp (talk|contributions) 04:50, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Re:Notice and other stuff

I actually have not heard of that Wiki until now, and it is quite interesting, but I really do not think it affects the Skyscraper WikiProject or the current AfD discussion too much. It seems that that project wants to create articles on every single skyscraper that ever existed, whereas WP:SKYSCRAPER only aims to create articles for the tallest skyscrapers in cities and those smaller ones which are sufficiently notable. It seems to me that right now even the Four Points by Sheraton (Dubai) article at AfD goes into more detail than the SkyscraperWiki's article for the Empire State Building does... I overall agree with your opinion; I would much rather continue to create articles here and face AfDs and the creation of new guidelines. I don't really see any redundancy with the wiki and the Skyscraper WikiProject, as they both have completely different goals and manage very different articles.

However, in a rather interesting turn of events, it appears that per this discussion at WP:FLC, creating articles for every single link in a Featured list hopeful may not be necessary. I have previously met resistance for having any redlinks in building lists (as you saw with the San Francisco list's nomination), but I don't think it should be necessary if other lists are accepted with redlinks under WP:WIAFL criterion 1a3. While I doubt that mostly redlinked lists such as the Houston or Seattle ones would pass, perhaps the Dubai list would fare well. it all boils down to the question: are the 40th tallest buildings or so in a city all notable enough to warrant articles?

I think it is now time to re-establish discussion at WT:N, but also set up a Wikipedia:WikiProject Skyscrapers/Articles guideline (which I was previously against). Any ideas for the WP:SKYSCR guideline? I will create an early version in my sandbox soon. Cheers, Rai-me 21:13, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your comments and improvements to the page. I think the page is almost ready to move to the official space. Can you think of anything else (besides the example pages) to add?

Also, about the examples pages, do you think that those are really necessary? Perhaps just links to already existing articles. Although, the sample list on the building list page is extremelY informative and useful, so perhaps the inclusion of such an example is good idea. Comments? Thanks, Rai-me 02:10, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Do you think we should alter the building list? I based the "WikiTower" after "HSBC Center XYZ". I don't think that the example should be a supertall (such as "The Waterfront Landmark"), as supertalls are generally much more notable than the average skyscraper that this page represents. Rai-me 03:06, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

I am not sure about that, at least for the NYC list. The basis for inclusion as being in the FTD is number of buildings over 500 feet, so the list is bound to raise some concenrs at FLC and FTC when nominated if not all buildings the list is being measured by are counted. But you are right, the NYC list would then become longer than the entire U.S. list. I am really not sure at this point. Rai-me 02:08, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject World Heritage Sites has been created!

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FL push

Let's push List of tallest buildings in Hong Kong to be a featured list. I don't know if you've been paying attention to WPHK's talk page, but here - [1]. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 19:50, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

You helped choose Carbon as this week's WP:ACID winner

Zginder (talk) 13:48, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

RFA

Marlith ^T/C 00:50, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Decided yet? Marlith ^T/C 05:10, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Do you intend to answer the nomination? If not, it can be deleted. Marlith ^T/C 19:58, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

The nomination was declined. See here. Ioeth _{(talk contribs friendly)} 20:16, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

You helped choose Poverty as this week's WP:ACID winner

Zginder (talk) (Contrib) 22:36, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Huh.

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Building notability

H.I., when you say "What should we do? Talk to him about notability?", do you mean the administrator or OOODDD? And about notability, aren't the two buildings (Tamweel and WTC Residence) important due to their inclusion in the list of tallest buildings in Dubai? We need those articles in order to make the list a complete, good quality one. --Leitmanp (talk|contributions) 06:31, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

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