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Calgary neighbourhoods

Hello, can you please stop reverting edits regarding the communities in calgary. You are not even from calgary, you are from edmonton "according to your profile" so how would you know more about areas in calgary vs someone who actually lives here ? I get it is preferred to have sources on pages but not everything is online. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.155.33.84 (talk) 07:43, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

IP 75.155.33.84: being from Calgary or not has absolutely nothing to do with properly following Wikipedia policies, guidelines, etc. You have been making assumptions that neighbourhoods were established in the earliest year you can find among real estate listings for a neighbourhood, or comparing an annexation history map with a neighbourhood boundary map, or looking at historical satellite imagery, or the date the construction of a show home started, or the date that show home opened. A neighbourhood is not established the year the eldest house was constructed in a neighbourhood at any given moment in time when you opt to look at real estate listings, or the moment the land for an eventual neighbourhood is annexed from Rocky View County or Foothills County. Neighbourhoods are established when neighbourhood plans are approved by city council to guide the future subdivision and development of the community, which happens at a point between annexation and construction of the first home. If you can't find those dates, you need to rely on a WP:RS that explicitly confirms that "the neighbourhood of Xyz was established on April 19, 1980." The year a quarter section was annexed is the year a quarter section was annexed. The year a house was built is the year a house was built. Neither of these represent the year the neighbourhood on the quarter section that contains that first or eldest house was established. Per my edit summaries back then, what you were doing was WP:SYNTH, which is against Wikipedia editing policy. I will assume good faith that you didn't know and that hopefully in the time that has passed you have evolved and become more aware of Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, despite your ridiculous swipe that I must know less about Calgary neighbourhoods because I am from northern Alberta. Hwy43 (talk) 05:21, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Nominating Fort Saskatchewan as a "Good Article"

Hey there! I made quite a few edits to Fort Saskatchewan's page, and was hoping to nominate it as a good article. The instructions say that it's best to consult frequent editors of the page, and I thought it'd be wise to get your advice first since you've made a lot of contributions to the page. Would you have any reservations if I went ahead with the nomination? Thanks for your time! — Preceding unsigned comment added by CplKlinger (talk CplKlinger (talk) 08:01, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

I just wanted to write a quick thank you for cleaning up the article. I'm still getting the hang of editing on Wikipedia, and after adding so much new content to the article it just became hard for me to notice all those little things. I ended up nominating the article for peer review instead of good article status because I knew there'd be things that I missed, and so I wanted another set of eyes to look over it. Thanks again for all of your help, I look forward to seeing how you improve the article next :) CplKlinger (talk) 08:03, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

@CplKlinger: no problem. Beyond the minor edits I have just made, I noticed that there is a lot of unsourced content in the article. When I have some free time in the future, I may return to add {{citation needed}} tags to assist if you don't sweep the article to add citations for existing unsourced content. Cheers, Hwy43 (talk) 04:53, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Sure, I understand. I'll take a look after the school term ends this week; all of the info I added should be cited so I will need to take a closer look later on. CplKlinger (talk) 05:02, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

@Hwy43: I went through and added a lot of citations. When you have a moment please can you see if this is satisfactory? Thank you for your assistance. CplKlinger (talk) 01:44, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

I will plug away at it when I find the time. Hwy43 (talk) 00:36, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

Congrats on another featured list! Pt. 1

Congrats! If you are ever wanting to get another page nominated, I'm happy to collaborate! Thanks for your help! Mattximus (talk) 23:41, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks and likewise! Weird thing is the promotion on the FLC page and the article itself didn't show up on my watchlist. Notwithstanding this from last year, I would suggest we are within striking distance of nominating PEI. Perhaps you can do a detailed sweep of everything learned from our ten previous nominations, like you recently did for me for Newfoundland in Labrador, and apply anything missed to date to the PEI list? I am a tad more available these days due to COVID having me work from home, so I will follow along and assist more promptly than I have in the recent two or three years. Cheers, Hwy43 (talk) 05:44, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks! And sure that sounds great, and that worked well for the last nom, it went extremely smoothly. I was a bit confused with that comment from last year, I'm happy to cross check any new counts with our current list, and check totals. Was it this list [1] that I should begin to incorporate into the main list? Otherwise I will check for other issues to clean up. Mattximus (talk) 16:23, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

While that is the 2019 version of the list, forget it and the 2018 version of the list. I am certain trying to stitch those with the original 2016 population counts would be synthesis. Besides, our sources for the 2016 and 2011 population counts work. The only thing I might do is add a note or two about inflated population percent changes, particularly for Three Rivers. Cheers, Hwy43 (talk) 19:29, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

I rewrote a bit of the lead to make it more in line with all our other lists. If you have time, would you like to confirm that it is appropriate before nomination? I read the remainder over again and it's actually quite good. As for your note, I'm not sure I understand exactly what happened in Three Rivers to warrant the rise in pop between 2016 and 2011 since it was amalgamated in 2018. Apart from that I think it's good to go! What do you think? Mattximus (talk) 18:10, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Just a quick ping wondering if you are still interested in this co-nom? If you are it does not matter to me who takes the lead. If not, sorry to bother you! Mattximus (talk) 20:11, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

It appears COVID got me out of my WP near-retirement as I have been working feverishly to improve Saskatchewan municipality articles, much of which were deplorable and some of which were one-line stubs. I forgot about the above. Let me look into where things are at tonight. Will get back to you tonight or tomorrow. Hwy43 (talk) 17:47, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Oh no rush. I'm working from home now so I have lots of time, and I rather enjoy working on this project with you. Mattximus (talk) 18:39, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

The deed is done. One quick request for help is to implement the response we get here about the new WP:ACCESS caption requirements at our new PEI nomination (and then go back and do the same at the 11 other FLs). Cheers, Hwy43 (talk) 07:36, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

Yep no prob, I can work on this tonight or tomorrow. Mattximus (talk) 16:50, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

You are so quick with the FLN suggestions that I can't keep up. I did however copy your caption for PEI and added it to all the other 11 municipalities lists. If I did it incorrectly I'm happy to fix. I'll keep monitoring the FLN to see if there is anything else I can do. Mattximus (talk) 15:21, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Unrelated to my previous question, but what do you think of the new map that was added to the List of municipalities in Alberta? I'm not a fan as it contains too many natural features and the list is about political entities. Mattximus (talk) 13:32, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Many of the IP’s edits on articles elsewhere appearing on my watchlist were also problematic. My revert’s edit summary says it all. It is a really nice map by Awmcphee. It doesn’t match the scope of this article however and the topographic aspect distracts from the incomplete political aspect of it. The IP’s similar addition at Alberta was appropriate however. On a related matter, I do need to update the Alberta series of municipalities maps, at minimum to reflect Lac La Biche County’s status change, and less importantly Edmonton’s notable boundary expansion. Hwy43 (talk) 16:04, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Response to Fort Nelson

• Original message to 24.84.206.248 re: Fort Nelson, British Columbia:

Hello IP user, your interest in editing the above article is appreciated, but you are providing way too much weight to an event that is not unique to Fort Nelson (e.g. temporary impacts of the COVID-19 pandemic in Canada) and an event that is not enduring (e.g. temporary concerns over the 2019 Northern British Columbia murders). Per my recent edit summaries, please see WP:NOTNEWS. Regarding the murders, there is no longer associated: warnings about travel in the area, feelings of unsafe living in the region, and disruptions of the education system. Regarding the pandemic, highway closures, testing delays, suspended flights, etc. are all temporary and not unique to Fort Nelson. These things will all come to pass and not be enduring. Also know that Wikipedia is an "encyclopedia", not a "travel guide". There is no need to temporarily indicate the closest active airport with scheduled air service is in Fort St. John. If you feel this is important, there is a different Wiki for that called Wikivoyage. Fort Nelson has an entry there.

On a related matter, there has been a lot of edits by IP users at the Fort Nelson, British Columbia article in the past couple years by users at different IP addresses that seem to be hell-bent on smearing the community with negativity. Perhaps this is you or not. If so, I ask why? Articles on Wikipedia are supposed to have a neutral point of view. Cherry-picking nothing but negativity, even if some is factual, is not a balanced representation of the community, and is soapboxing.

Please consider and reflect upon the above. I, and presumably CambridgeBayWeather, have grown tired of the recent behaviour and that of the previous IP editors. I'd prefer, and presumably CBW would also prefer, to not have to elevate this such that an administrator would block you from editing, or lock the article to only be edited by certain users. Respectfully, Hwy43 (talk) 00:49, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Dear Hwy 43,

First off, kudos for showing me the travel section. I did not know about it before hand. I agree that the covid 19, if it alters any travel arrangement, should stay in the travel section.

Second, I don't know about all the other previous editors. Some of the tone may sound a bit negative, but they are based on credible, objective third party sources. nonetheless, the 2019 murder is a significant event and deserves a mention on that page. At least a sentence mentioning what happened is warranted as it garners international attention.

Third, I don't want to engage with you or another user on a debate. I just come across the page and find it frustrating not being able to get there with all the travel changes.

Respectfully yours — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.84.206.248 (talk) 02:27, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, 24.84.206.248, for the response. The 2019 Northern British Columbia murders might warrant a mention at Fort Nelson, British Columbia, just in a manner that doesn't convey that the immediate impacts to follow are not conveyed because they were temporary and aren't enduring, but given the murder of the couple occurred 20 km south of Liard Hot Springs, almost 300 km northwest of Fort Nelson, it might be a stretch. Cheers, Hwy43 (talk) 05:09, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Ghost Lake

I entered edits into two wikipedia webpages and noted that within 72 hrs you undid those edits Before this happens again, I would like to know why

I have no COI I hold a volunteer (non-paid) position as the Mayor of SVGL and have been a resident in the area for over 20 years The information that I provided on both the Ghost Lake, Alberta and Ghost lake wikipedia pages is entirely accurate I have read all the wikipedia posting rules and believe that the information I am providing is adherent to their policies.

The information has been updated to help tourists visiting the area know what is and is not available in the area And specifically try and reduce the burden of traffic which is effecting the Summer Village of ghost lake. There are no public facilities within the summer village, no parking and no lake access. The residents of the village are having to deal with a large number of individuals who misguidely come into the village confusing it with the Provincial Recreation area 3.5 km to the east. When the "tourists" are in the village they park illegally and trespass on private property as they search for lake access. Hopefully some of the tourists will read the updated Wikipedia article and this will reduce the traffic volume and potential conflicts.

Should you have any questions about the suggested posting, please contact me councillor.walsh@ghostlake.ca Thank youMayorSVGL (talk) 00:32, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) As a person that has been watching @MayorSVGL:, I would like to note a few things. First, the edits provided by the user for the mentioned article have no specific citations. Second, the content the user added was an opinion that violates Wikipedia:NPOV. Third, there is a COI as the village an organization that the village mayor is part of. If the user has any more questions, I would suggest Wikipedia:Teahouse and Help:Introduction. Sincerely, Randompointofview (talk) 00:46, 2 June 2020 (UTC).

@MayorSLGL: Wikipedia is not a WP:PRESSRELEASE for the Summer Village of Ghost Lake to advertising a posting of a public service announcement that attempts to deter the general public from visiting the summer village. Your municipal website is an appropriate place for you to do that. Funny how similar efforts haven't been published on the summer village's actual municipal website. Why is that? Hwy43 (talk) 07:47, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

Templates and wikidata

Hey, just a quick note to let you know that I have been investigating templates. I've got a little sidetracked by the notion of referencing wikidata. The idea is that, for e.g. St. Andrews NB has a wikidata page wherein lives info such as the population. This can be referenced in the info box for the page which I've done as

population_total = {{wikidata|property|P1082}}

Meanwhile, over on fr.wikipedia, instead of IB settlement they use Infobox Municipalité du Canada which is configured to grab to the wikidata if the IB parameter is not set. So

population =

Resolves exactly the same as the english one, referencing the same data.

Where this relates to our previous conversation about population and IBs is that when the 2021 census data comes in, it only has to be updated in one place in wikidata, and the french and english WP pages will pick them up with no work required.

Once I get a better grip on the practical outcome, if any, of all this I may start a discussion over on project nb or project canada. --Cornellier (talk) 21:40, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Greater Sudbury

No worries. Unfortunately I don't have the depth of knowledge necessary to catch too many other possible errors — I'm knowledgeable about those four in particular because I'm originally from Sudbury and hence had all four of them watchlisted, but I don't necessarily have the same depth of knowledge about every other place in Ontario. Bearcat (talk) 04:37, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Bearcat, I recall and expected some potential attention from you when editing within your old stomping grounds. I'm surprised there isn't an article on the mass municipal restructuring by amalgamation from ~1996 to 2001. I'll likely create one similar to Manitoba municipal amalgamations, 2015. When done I'll ping you for a peer review. While you may not have the depth of knowledge across the balance of the province, there may be some general knowledge that I didn't pick up during my three years of schooling in Ontario in the early 2000s. Cheers, Hwy43 (talk) 04:45, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Fogo Island, Newfoundland and Labrador​

A tag has been placed on Category:Fogo Island, Newfoundland and Labrador​ requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the category has been empty for seven days or more and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 14:53, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

@Liz: it can be deleted. It appears when I created it that I somehow had a unicode character in the title. Cheers, Hwy43 (talk) 16:10, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

I'd like to point out . . .

tHeRe ArE LiTeRaLLy HuNdReDs oF nOtAbLe PeOpLe tHaT dOn'T hAvE aRtiCLeS. such as Jazmin Bean, Au/ra, Anna Blue and Damien Dawn, etcetera, etcetera. The point is, it could be one of those things that you sort of have to be there to know. Like how there are people who are celebs in Spain, but in America, no one has heard of them, for example. Or there has yet to be an article published. Spinelli Nutelli (talk) 04:14, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Ask the Teahouse if the person that you think is notable actually meets Wikipedia's notability standard for people at WP:BIO and furthermore specifically at WP:MUSICBIO. Hwy43 (talk) 05:14, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Congrats on another featured list! Pt. 2

Nice job on that new list! Sorry I couldn't help more, you were often far too quick for me to contribute much to the corrections. I'm working more now but happy to collaborate on any new projects you might have in mind! Mattximus (talk) 15:45, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Likewise nice job, Mattximus. COVID brought me out of near editing retirement but I am winded now and am returning to my less active pace. I am starting to think about Quebec but the effort will be daunting, and it appears there is a second tier of regional county municipalities and some equivalents that will need to be incorporated into the list similar to Ontario.

On an unrelated matter, I emailed you about three months ago and pinged you in a discussion about a month ago. Both in regard to a sockmaster evading a community ban. Surprised you didn’t reply or join the discussion. Hwy43 (talk) 07:17, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Admiral, Saskatchewan

Thanks for pitching in to clean up the article. Apparently I've ruffled the feathers of the largest landowner in town who seemed intent on plugging his equestrian field. That editor seemed to be responding to feedback at first (after being blocked one), but then went back to socking and disruption. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 13:04, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

No problem. I would have blown it all away last night but I thought I would tag instead until a later date when I have the energy to cull the crap from the minimal portions oF the contributions that are actually of value. Hwy43 (talk) 00:27, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

OhNoitsJamie, did you start a formal SPI? See the latest contributions where I cleaned up the crap and then it was reverted to the version earlier this week before I weighed in. Hwy43 (talk) 16:36, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

Also, what is the process required to get the page protected from editing by anon IPs? Hwy43 (talk) 17:08, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

Crowsnest Pass edit

Hi Hwy43, I'd like to sort out your revision to my recent edit of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crowsnest_Pass,_Alberta. I see your reasoning from the referenced StatsCan site, but it is still incorrect to include East Kootenay within Crowsnest Pass. That is an error on the StatsCan site, as East Kootenay is a district in southeastern British Columbia - my father used to live there, on the east side of Kootenay Lake. There may be some confusion because the East Kootenay Power Company used to run a power plant on Crowsnest Lake, at Sentinel, but most folks here called it the Sentinel power plant as did the East Kootenay Power Company. That's the only thing I can think of that may have caused the StatsCan mistake. Ian mckenzie (talk) 05:42, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Ian mckenzie. There can be two places of the same name in two different provinces. How many states have a Springfield? The fact that there is/was a power company of the same name in a location within the Municipality of Crowsnest Pass adds credibility to the accuracy of StatCan. Numerous existing and former power plants once housed their employees in company communities, such as Seebe, Alberta and Sundance Power Plant, Alberta. Cheers, Hwy43 (talk) 05:47, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

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