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Acacia

Hi there! Quick question from someone who is not into trees, plants, shrubs and everything that has to do with it: the article acacia states there are 163 species in the genus acacia, but there are 613 articles in the Category:Acacia right now. How? Kind regards, Coldbolt (talk) 22:06, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

Wow, I don't know and have no real expertise in the area. I've been filling in redlinks on the list but don't any real expertise in the area. The refs all say Acacia but since even the page for Acacia sensu lato (containing all of the 960 Australian species} is still referred to in the taxobox as Acacia, so I think it is OK. Will seek advice. Hughesdarren (talk) 09:56, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

@Plantdrew: Can you explain this one? Hughesdarren (talk) 09:59, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

Short non-technical answer. Acacia and Acacia sensu lato (and some related articles, including Racosperma) have had some misinformation since 5 November 2015. The person who made the misinforming edits does otherwise good work on South African organisms. I'm rather conflict averse and haven't wanted to get in a fight with them to fix the articles. I brought it up at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Plants/Archive66#Acacia, but it seems that nobody else wanted to get in a fight about it. The Acacia article ought to reflect the view that there are 900+ Acacia species, almost all of which are native to Australia.

Longer technical answer. It has been apparent for some time that Acacia should be split into multiple genera. A genus name is anchored to a type species; in the event that a genus is split, the species most closely related to the type species keep the genus name and the less closely related species get placed into new genera. The type species of Acacia was originally an African species. Based on the usual rules, splitting Acacia would result in 163 mostly African species retaining the name Acacia and 1100+ species shuffled off into 4 other genera (including 900+ Australian species which were proposed to go to the genus Racosperma). To reduce the number of species which would have to be renamed, a proposal was made to change the type species from an African species to one of the Australian species; this kind of proposal is unusual, but by no means unprecedented. The proposal passed at a meeting in Vienna in 2005. Australian species would stay in Acacia, but African species would have to be renamed (to Vachellia). African botanists were not happy about this. Some of them decided to take the highly unusual step of forcing a second vote on the proposal at the next meeting. The next meeting happened in 2011, in Melbourne, and the proposal passed again. I empathize to some extent with the Africans; the Melbourne meeting can hardly be called a fair vote; many more Australian botanists attended and voted than would have in another location (such as Vienna). But there probably shouldn't have been a second vote in the first place, and there was nothing sinister about having the vote in Melbourne; the meeting had long been scheduled to be held there.

At this point, Wikipedia is presenting a mish-mash of competing views on Acacia and the other genera that have been split out from it, largely due to a South African editor who refuses to acknowledge that this has been voted on twice, with their faction failing to win both time. They are apparently not alone; there may be an unprecedented third vote on the issue at the upcoming meeting in China (presumably the Australian faction won't be over-represented there).

Hughesdarren, you're fine making articles on Australian Acacia species; Acacia being largely Australian is the current botanical consensus. If you come across any Racosperma synonyms for Acacia species, it wouldn't hurt to make redirects. Fixing up the Acacia, Racosperma and Vachellia articles might be contentious. Plantdrew (talk) 15:51, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

Update: Racosperma was just moved to Acacia, and the previously article at Acacia was moved to Acacia (Vachellia). There's some badly needed clean up needed that I'll try to do some work on over the next few days, but the article at Acacia is now about the most recent concept of the genus. Plantdrew (talk) 04:31, 29 May 2016 (UTC)

london

great start! had a very luxurious lunch out the back when were down. Added the qulifier as on commons there are more london hotels than there are.... many... so figured best to do so. cheers and keep up the good work! JarrahTree 07:50, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

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street location

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrmont,_Albany - needed, as it stands it could be anywhere :) - hope you can help on that one - cheers JarrahTree 05:56, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

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Gull Rock National Park

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some tangents..

• Saggers, Thomas O (2012), Crossing the Kalgan : a history of the Lower Kalgan bridges and jetty (Second edition ed.), Kalamunda, WA Tangee Publishing Pty Ltd, ISBN 978-0-9757936-3-3 {{citation}}: |edition= has extra text (help)

there might be more where that came from JarrahTree 09:44, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

• • If I read those refs right there was a bridge until 1930 - washed away, then the 1939-1940, then the one you are referring to is another one from the 50s, so also it would seem the 1930-1939, the lower bridge made do for the crossings in that time JarrahTree 09:51, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

Ways to improve Grevillea tenuiloba

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Napier

Hi, Your edits of Napier include continually removing a reference, if you have updated information you can add it with an accompanying appropriate reference, see the section of verifibility above. Regards. Hughesdarren (talk) 09:07, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

Hi, Firstly let me apologise for my newness and inexperience on editing an article. But, as it was clearly wrong, I thought, for the sake of accuracy, I should fix it. Thank you for now agreeing to some of my updates, which I know to be correct as I am the previous owner of Napier Downs and am referred to in the article. I still have a few issues. One the location as 130km from Derby is correct, but it is NOT also 130km North of Fitzroy Crossing. If you look at a map, you will see this is impossible. There is no reference verifying this, so I assume that someone has just had a guess. It is actually approx. 150km North West of Fitzroy Crossing, which is what I tried to amend. The area of the lease is approx. 380,000 ha. I am not sure where you got the area that you have stated. The article that you refer to says it is It covers more than 400,000ha and carries about 20,000 head of red brahman cattle. That, in fact is not accurate, but it will do. The sale price was not disclosed and merely speculated by the article in Beef Central that you refer to. I wonder if anyone verifies the articles that are used as a ref. I know in the case of Beef Central it was not verified and they simply wrote the article with speculative information. The sale was actually completed in September 2015. The line... In 1910 Napier Downs occupied an area of 90,000 acres (364 km2) and was still owned by M. C. Davies... is also incorrect. I attempted to amend this but you have not allowed this. If you read the article that is referred to in the reference, it clearly says 900,000 acres and not 90,000. According to the pastoral lease, a copy of which I hold, it states that on 30th June 1969 the area of Napier Downs was 1,000,000 acres. I am happy to provide any further information and assist in the accuracy of this article. Leut1 (talk) 03:17, 4 September 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leut1 (talk • contribs)

Thanks for replying - I have fixed what I can but the rest of the information that has a reference will stay. Wikipedia requires verifiability (see pillars above). I'm not too sure if you realise but 1 million acres is the same size as 4047km2 or 404700ha .... so the lease can't be both 380000ha and 1 million acres.... so I'll go with what the ref and the lease says on that one. No editors check references, unless two separate sources contradict each other or the sources themselves are inherently unreliable (like a blog, an advertisement abd perhaps Beef Central). Thanks for your offer of more information but unless accompanied by a reliable source it would be unlikely to be edited in. By the way, ff you do spot errors made like to 900,000 acre one then by all means do fix it but make a note in the comment that this is what the reference says. Regards Hughesdarren (talk) 03:59, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the amendments. Just to answer your comment about the lease size. The lease area has changed over the years by way of resumptions and boundary changes, whilst it was 1,000,000 acres in 1969 it has changed many times since. The current lease area is closer to 380,000 ha. It is actually 386,679. It is unlikely that you will find this confirmed in any news article. Leut1 (talk) 04:37, 4 September 2016 (UTC)Leut1 (talk) 04:38, 4 September 2016 (UTC) Leut1 (talk) 04:41, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

No worries - I figured that would be the case - I'll make a note on the article talk page, and maybe it will be confirmed in the future. Regards Hughesdarren (talk) 04:46, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

Ok thanks, would you also like to amend the article on Kerry Stokes with this updated information on Napier Downs.. price and herd size? Thanks. Leut1 (talk) 04:56, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

Sure, you can do it or I will if you like, if you do make any changes sure you leave a comment in the edit summary box (just above where you click the save changes buttone). Other editors (and myself) are always deeply suspicious of a blank edit summary. It will pop up on my watchlist when you make any changes. Cheers and regards. Hughesdarren (talk) 05:05, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

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Fortunately an editor that does know what they are doing has removed your tag. They have also sensibly placed a warning on your talk page. Here's an idea - go read some policies and make some useful contributions or piss off and stop wasting my time. Hughesdarren (talk) 09:09, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

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Noongar names for plants

Hello Hughesdarren,

Thanks for your great work adding Noongar names to plants (especially Melaleuca species). I think the names should be lower case as per Manual of style. Your opinion? Keep up the great work. Gderrin (talk) 09:11, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Cheers, I was unsure about the capitalisation so went with how it appeared in the reference, will use lowercase from now on. Thanks for the kind words.Hughesdarren (talk) 09:18, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

I'll second the thanks for the noongar names - excellent !!! JarrahTree 09:20, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Hello again, I've stumbled on this book ("Aboriginal People and their plants") doing a Google search . Thought you might be interested if you hadn't seen it already. Gderrin (talk) 20:03, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

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please note

Fremantle_Woolstores is meant to be an overview article only - and there is hopefully opportunity to create sub articles of each structure of the structure, when and how is up to the enthusiasm - thanks JarrahTree 13:01, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

your opinion

Alluring Albany - could you please look at this jumble of joy

has about 5 - 8 potential derivative offshoot articles

1901 Royal presence of Ophir and future King

1908 Great White Fleet visit  Done

1927 centenary Centenary of Albany, Western Australia (separating out the 1927 book and event)  Done

are the first obvious items, there are more...

any thoughts feedback on or off wiki much appreciated JarrahTree 13:48, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

Nice work on Alluring Albany, couldn't find enough material to make a standalone article on the other topics other than the barest stub (and you had already done GWF visit anyway). Sticking with myrtales and freo heritage for the moment. What are you up to? Cheers Hughesdarren (talk) 23:28, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. I think you are in safer territory. Excellent work on Freo. Yeah, maybe editing too much perhaps. JarrahTree 23:40, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

Darwinias

Hello Darren,

I noticed you've started some Darwinia articles - thanks and well done. I'm busy with other genera at the moment and thought you might like to expand Darwinia hortiorum. I can't find good resources on most of the other species but the formal description of D. hortiorum is here. All the best to you. Gderrin (talk) 11:50, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

Cheers, will expand in the next few days. Not much online for many of these species - can get a bit frustrating at times. Hoping to at least get something for all the redlinked Darwinia pages. Good luck with whatever you're working on at the moment and thanks for your (far more impressive) Darwinia articles. All the best to you too. Regards Hughesdarren (talk) 13:39, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

D. peduncularis here and plantnet; D. polychroma here and here; D. whicherensis here. Keep going! (I'll be checking......) Gderrin (talk) 20:58, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

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New articles

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Why is this image not sufficient to be in Perth's infobox?

It's recent, has Elizabeth Quay, is well lit, shows a detailed skyline, and is a generally better picture than the one currently.

You noted in your revert that there was a discussion about the image on its talk page? I don't see that anywhere... WikiWizz123123 (talk) 10:27, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

A discussion is in progress on the Perth article talk page about which is the best image to use. You could add your image there and other editors could make their preferred choice. Hughesdarren (talk) 10:24, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

Automatic taxoboxes?

Hughesdarren/Archive 6
Scientific classification
Kingdom:	Plantae
Clade:	Tracheophytes
Clade:	Angiosperms
Clade:	Eudicots
Order:	Proteales
Family:	Proteaceae
Genus:	Conospermum
Species:	C. brownii
Binomial name
Conospermum brownii Meisn.

I was wondering whether you'd ever considered using automatic taxoboxes instead of manual taxoboxes when creating new articles? I think your approach to article creation (working methodically through a genus to create articles for all Western Australian species) is very well suited to using automatic taxoboxes. It's a little bit more work to prepare a genus to use automatic taxoboxes, but once the genus is ready to go, it's very easy to create taxoboxes for new species. I took the liberty of setting up the back end templates for Conospermum. The code below is all that is needed to produce the taxobox at right (in edit view, the actual code is what appears above this paragraph).

{{speciesbox
|genus = Conospermum
|species = brownii
|authority = [[Meisn.]]
}}

If you're not interested in automatic taxoboxes, that's fine. If you are interested I'd be happy to explain them further or help getting templates set up. I'm mainly interested in them for their potential in keeping taxonomy up to date. There are about 60,000 articles on plant taxa, and at most a few dozen editors actively working on them. Moving a genus to a different family might require edits to 100 articles. Taxonomic changes at higher ranks might effect thousands of articles. With manual taxoboxes, each taxobox must be edited individually. With automatic taxoboxes, a single edit to a template changes all the subordinate taxa. Plantdrew (talk) 02:19, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Wow, what a great idea! I had no clue a taxobox could be set up this way! I'll have a go using the Conospermum one for the remaining species then try my hand when I move to another genera. Thanks for the tip and I'll let you know when I need any help. Hughesdarren (talk) 04:34, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Glad you like it. There's documentation at Wikipedia:Automated taxobox system. If you use a speciesbox where the genus isn't in the system yet, you'll get an error message on saving/previewing that should make it pretty obvious how to set up a new genus. Ping me if you need help, but I'm going to be away from the internet next weekend. Plantdrew (talk) 02:56, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Think I have the hang of it, created one for Petrophile and used it in Petrophile acicularis, would you mind checking for clangers? Cheers Hughesdarren (talk) 23:27, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

Looks good to me. Plantdrew (talk) 00:12, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

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Adding defamatory comments like rapist is hardly a perfectly good edit and certainly did not require years of hard work or research. If you are going to add such material then add references (if you know how to). Have a good f**king day yourself. Hughesdarren (talk) 10:49, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

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I thought I had modified the content but couldn't avoid using the same technical language. Since you've now hidden my contribution I can't do a comparison. Could you paste the offending text here on my talk page so I can compare the original to what I had written? Hughesdarren (talk) 23:14, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

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Sorry, I'm not deliberately violating copyright and I'm not cutting and pasting text. I've saved my current version on Jacobs and will compare with your version to see the comparison. I'll take the time to read the documents that you've linked. Additionally I'm not an expert in botany so the language is difficult to rephrase at times without losing meaning. Apologies for taking up your time. Hughesdarren (talk) 12:30, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Strategy Cycle 2

As the strategy discussion draws to an end - any thoughts or feedback? please feel free to email me or message on talk page if - whichever you wish - as to how you feel about the 5 themes and the general ambience of the strategy programme JarrahTree 11:10, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

Thank you

I appreciate all the hard work you do in creating important articles. Bfpage (talk) 11:28, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

Ranks in taxonomy templates

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Rules of nomenclature

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...to you and yours, from the Great White North! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 16:14, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the thanks!

Hi Hughesdarren,
Just a quick "thanks" for your encouragement over the past cpl of weeks as I've been working towards getting a features image-gallery onto every known species of Eucalypt. Well that's the aim, but of course there's no chance I'll ever get there haha! I am on a mission however to at least try to do every species I can come across from now on :)
I see you've been swapping-in the speciesbox template everywhere I look - that's a neat little feature that looks great for consistency & time-saving (Thumbs-up). Cheers ❮❮ GEEKSTREET ^{Talk Lane ❯❯} 03:14, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

broome

are you up to a 2018 flood article? suprised we havent hadone yet JarrahTree 01:51, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

Sure, have you started one yet? Hughesdarren (talk) 02:00, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

Couldn't fine one so have started now- see 2018 Broome flood. Cheers. Hughesdarren (talk) 02:21, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

Thank you appreciated JarrahTree 04:03, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

So much broome to do - so much - even just the roebuck plains/roebuck bay disjuncture and clarification of what is what so close to town, and around JarrahTree 12:48, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

safe travelling !

dont go to too many dangerous places !! JarrahTree 00:38, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	Thank you for your contribution to wikipedia, more specifically on Leptospermum laevigatum. Ben Stone (talk) 05:35, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

welcome back

trust a holiday is as good as a break from wikipedia :) - enjoy, it hasnt changed that much in your time off... JarrahTree 06:52, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Cheers, been back for a few days, started editing again yesterday. Pouring with rain down here and not many inside jobs to do...Hope all is well with you! Hughesdarren (talk) 06:54, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

as well as can be expected in this very strange world we live in JarrahTree 07:03, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

FYI - a lot of the acacias (and others) dont have biota and wa tags on the talk page - I have on my user page an idea of the enormousness of the issue...

viz:

• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Australian_biota

as at July 2018 - 16,246 (16,241) total articles in Biota

as at July 2018 - 13,340 (13,338) total articles with no attributed importance

as at July 2018 - less than 20% adequately assessed

as at end July 2018 - low importance assessed of 2,121.

so any help is always appreciated - boring I know... but JarrahTree 00:54, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

I cannot believe how much you and geoff have done for biota project - both of your contributions are amazing!

We are both trapped inside by the miserably cold weather, at least we had a sunny weekend. Planning to improve a few more Eucalypt and Acacia articles Hughesdarren (talk) 10:57, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Hakea adnata

Hello Darren,

Thought I'd be smart and add taxonomy. Great minds think alike! I can expand a bit though (if I'm quick!). Gderrin (talk) 09:52, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

Cheers for the image, nice looking plant! The article is all yours now! Hughesdarren (talk) 09:54, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Acacia ramulosa

Hello! Your submission of Acacia ramulosa at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Zakhx150 (talk) 09:03, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

re: Acacia speciesboxes

Replying on your talk page so you have the relevant links at hand. I just stumbled across the Acacia with a manual taxobox that you'd missed, but I did do a search for Eucalyptus species with manual taxoboxes you'd missed. The tool I used to find them is PetScan. Here is a link to search for the remaining Acacias with manual taxoboxes. Note that I've entered values across different tabs to construct the search ("Taxobox" under the Templates&links tab, "Acacia" under the Categories tab). PetScan does go down pretty frequently, but usually comes back up in less than a hour; if it's not working for you, just try again a little later. Plantdrew (talk) 20:14, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Cheers, works a treat and all of the Acacias are now done. I might go and have a cup of tea to celebrate. Thanks heaps for the links. Regards. Hughesdarren (talk) 01:47, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

what a relief

so many plant items have had the absent biota-importance=low - it is such a relief to see you fixing that, thank you JarrahTree 09:34, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Everytime I change a taxobox to a species box I'm checking the talk page now, I can't believe how all the state tags from the WP:Australia template are missing too. Hughesdarren (talk) 09:47, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

yup this is a slight problem as welll .... JarrahTree 10:01, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi boys! You can probably blame at leat some of the omissions on me. Bit busy writing articles and adding photos to worry to much about tags on talk pages. Sorry! Will try to do better in future. Gderrin (talk) 00:37, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

no big deal - all the consistent very hard work is always appreciated - at least the main tags are there - there are heaps of older ones by others with no oz tags or biota tags at all - all in a good day of wishing everyone well for the effort... JarrahTree 00:47, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Nice work on the Hakea articles, especially tracking down all the images and all the improvements. Heaps are now up from little stubs to start class or better. At least if we are all aware of the tags we should add we can do as part of article improvement. Cheers Hughesdarren (talk) 00:52, 14 October 2018 (UTC) 00:51, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Muirs Highway/Muir Highway?

Hello Hughesdarren,

Many plant pages I've edited would have red links if not for your work on places/rivers/towns/roads in W.A. Thank you.

I am curious about Muirs Highway. Google Maps, my (life saving!) Hema "Road & 4WD Track Atlas" give its name as Muir (without the "s") Highway and the road sign at the roundabout at Mount Barker give "Muir Highway". Your "Muirs Highway" article has a road sign with the "s". Is there more to this story? A recent name change perhaps? Maybe both names are correct and we need a dab? Gderrin (talk) 21:55, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Cheers, going a quick google search gives over 5 million hits for Muir Highway and 59,000 for Muirs Highway. Google maps has it as Muir Highway too. Funny, as everyone where I live calls it Muirs Highway.... The two references in the article where the links work, one says Muir and the other says Muirs. Main roads website consistently says Muir Highway. Can't find any evidence saying the name has changed. Maybe the name is incorrect and the page should be moved? Should we put it up for discussion on the WA page? @JarrahTree: what do you think? Hughesdarren (talk) 22:56, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Ahh I knew the muir family will haunt me for the rest of my days... (it is a long and complex story)

"Orchids of Western Australia by Andrew Brown, Pat Dundas, Kingsley Dixon, and Steven Hopper. 2008. 421 pp. ISBN-10: 0980296455X. $80.00 (hbk). University of Western Australia Press, Crawley, Western Australia, Australia.(Book review)", Systematic Botany, 34 (3), American Society of Plant Taxonomists: 611, 2009-07-01, ISSN 0363-6445 the library description for the book has a diuris on singular muir,

then the plural at

http://pandora.nla.gov.au/pan/134001/20170707-0132/www.expressway.online/gallery/roads/wa/numbered/stateroutes/sr102/index.html

I would never put it up at the page we would never hear the end of it... it appears to be interchangeable - the very important thing is to make sure it is not identified as muir highway without a state context there are muir highways elsewhere on this poor planet. JarrahTree 23:06, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for your work guys. I suppose if geographical names still had apostrophes, it could also be Muir's Highway or Muirs' Highway! Ah well...maybe a short note about "Muir Highway" on Muirs Highway and a dab. page? To add to the confusion, "Muir Highway" is used on Mount Barker, Western Australia. Gderrin (talk) 23:26, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

dont take my advice for final - there is all likelihood that the wa page could elicit further gems...I personally suspect influence of finding there are other muir hghways on the planet they chose a plural... If the geographic names committee person was easily available today, I might try them out... JarrahTree 23:38, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

possible help

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byblis_gigantea is supposedly in the endangered list and is a vacuous stub - any thoughts from you or Geoff best way to go with endangered/empty stub items? JarrahTree 04:21, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Not sure what JarrahTree means but it would be good to have a start class article on this interesting carnivorous plant. There is a paper on the genus, including a description of Byblis gigantea here. Gderrin (talk) 04:58, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

I just made a start on Byblis gigantea, I can help out with endangered stubs and ones that are empty if they are in WA and have other refs besides FloraBase. Would prefer to stick to the larger genuses (Acacia, Corymbia, Eucalypt, Hakea, Banksia, Grevillea, Kunzea, Agonis, Taxandria, Allocasuarina...) though. Hughesdarren (talk) 05:06, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

My main thing is where there is literally no text on items that have been claimed to be deserving endangered species levels - (as I am putting their biota -importance to mid - as they are indeed likely to become extinct or are threatened) - they for me are more important than the items that are least concern... but thank you both for your responses - I appreciate your interests and efforts very much. JarrahTree 05:58, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Thank you so much for expanding the byblis - appreciated. JarrahTree 07:09, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

No worries, I'm not sure how the DEC P1 --> P4 levels of endangerment compare to an IUCN listing... Should we maybe stick to IUCN listings and DEC Rare listings? Hughesdarren (talk) 07:19, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

maybe defer to whatever seems to be the easiest to clarify... the graphical representation in info boxes seems to be the easiest to see - whether there is a list elsewhere to compare with - https://www.dpaw.wa.gov.au/plants-and-animals/threatened-species-and-communities/threatened-plants seems a start - and the iucn criteria and the acronyms are all there JarrahTree 07:46, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

At least we can be sure with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Least_concern_flora_of_Australia is definitely 'low' on everything! JarrahTree 08:04, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Sorry - I just registered your question re the P1- etc - difficult https://www.dpaw.wa.gov.au/images/documents/plants-animals/threatened-species/Listings/conservation_code_definitions.pdf it doesnt tie in to current categories for australian biota... hmmm - not sure what road to be taken on that - as P1 poorly known simply means inadequate info and also small populations... JarrahTree 22:52, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Eucalyptus cernua

Hello Hughesdarren,

Thanks for your work on E. cernua (and everything else!). A couple of weeks ago I was searching for an orchid along the railway heritage track near Kundip and came across this small tree with a very helpful sign telling me what the tree was. (If only identifying orchids was so easy!) Otherwise, I'm leaving eucalypts alone. But I thought you might like to know Brooker and Hopper's original paper is available online here. Gderrin (talk) 11:13, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Cheers, nice photos! Thanks for the link too. Hughesdarren (talk) 13:34, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Hakea preissii

Mate! We need to get our acts together. I've just spent about an hour making almost exactly the same edits to this page as you. Damn! You beat me to it. Hope you don't mind if I tweak it (the article I mean) a little bit.Gderrin (talk) 00:08, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Jeez, I thought you were done, sorry! I sort of jump in whenever you post an image. Tweak away. Regards Hughesdarren (talk) 00:14, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

My fault. I will try to leave hakeas (and eucalypts) to you and Allthingsnative (who has identified the hakea images for me) in future. Gderrin (talk) 00:33, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Had suggested a system of keeping tabs - got messy, will try to create a sub page somewhere about the issues JarrahTree 01:15, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

My apologies Hughesdarren if I ruined any of your work. I'm on a very slow learning curve. Allthingsnative —Preceding undated comment added 01:37, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

No way @Allthingsnative:, you're doing a fantastic job! Keep up the good work! Hughesdarren (talk) 04:08, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

I agree - it all counts! thanks for all your efforts!! JarrahTree 04:10, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

break

thank you very much for what you have done - much appreciated - enjoy!! JarrahTree 12:36, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

maybe could link

Lake muir event info with South_West_Seismic_Zone - what do you think? JarrahTree 23:47, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Added in, assuming Lake Muir is part of the zone - will have to look for time, lat and long later today. Regards. Hughesdarren (talk) 02:20, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

Huge gap in article between 1960s and 2018.....Hughesdarren (talk) 02:21, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

yup indeed

reference 2 says between 30.5°S to 32.5°S and 115.5°E to 118°E. for the yandanooka to cape riche zone but is wider....

yandanooka is at 29°19′S 115°34′E

Cape Riche, Western Australia is at 34.36 118.45£

Lake Muir 34°26′49″S 116°44′54″ECoordinates: 34°26′49″S 116°44′54″

so lake muir is in the zone from my reckoning. JarrahTree 13:43, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Acacia tenuissima

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notable rock and mounds

I gave a bunch of geographic locations as red links in an article, western rosella#Distribution and habitat, and wonder if stubs, redirects or pretend it is 'someone else's problem' provides a solution to match the otherwise blue links [targets to articles that you probably created]. And how are you? Tell me after you answer my query. cygnis insignis 13:35, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Wow, you have been busy, the rosella article is fantastic! I'll take a look at some of the redlinks over the week (although I have a couple of days away again) and see if they can be made blue. I'm well, thanks for asking, how are you going? Cheers Hughesdarren (talk) 22:21, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Jeez, some pretty sketchy info on some of those places - had a go at Gnarlbine Rock, do you want to add anything about habitat etc.. Hughesdarren (talk) 01:38, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Cheers, I will have a look. And that's the thing, the notability may rest on nothing more than a dead parrot and some coordinates, which are given in the bird atlas if that helps. Anyway, if anything cannot be redirected I will happily ignore them, I'm just generally in the dark on approaches to geographic features and locations. The birds of SWA articles needed some love, as I found one, although I tend to overdo it and smother them. I helped with our red-cap parrot, now a feature, that is probably a better read. The most enjoyable part is connecting up the work done by others on state articles. cygnis insignis 02:48, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

P.S. the article is great cygnis insignis 02:56, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Stubs for these things will be helpful as their locations emerge in any literature, but what you have been doing is creating interesting and distracting articles. I'll have a go at adding some notes from a book I am rereading today, Life on the rocks, which I highly recommend for an overview on the ecology and an amazing book. I found Granite outcrops of Western Australia for general discussion, and some species found on these might get a mention, but is there is any one of those that you favour for attention. By that I mean deep diving indices for notes on a particular location, worthwhile but more time consuming. I know some species of plant are only known to occur at one or two of the features, or were first collected at one of them, but individuals surveys of biota would also confer notability. Any thoughts on this topic are welcome, cheers again for sharing my interest in this. cygnis insignis 06:52, 4 December 2018 (UTC)n

There are some amazing maps that I may have access (not sure at this stage) to that actually identify and link with Lists_of_rocks_in_Western_Australia - the full range of named and identified rocks for the whole of the south west.... the complexity is that there is the european botanic and flora interpretation of them, and the much more obvious aboriginal perception of them as essential locations for water and food. It would be good to have a sense of how many of the items in the list actually have valid refs (or not) JarrahTree 06:59, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

Anything you guys can add would be welcome, particularly flora and fauna information. The Aboriginal story is always sorely under represented and difficult to find. I'll try and cross a couple more off the Granite outcrops of Western Australia list in the next few days. (Broken by yet another trip to Perth) Cheers. Hughesdarren (talk) 09:15, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

I've got something to add on that topic to one named as Queen Victoria Rock, but wonder whether that is the listed here and at DPAW named Victoria Rock. The location and description sound about right, but there are so many things named for her I don't feel it is conclusive. I hope this is clear, even the mere mention of the greatest monarch in history has me feeling overwhelmed. cygnis insignis 10:48, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

I can find one that is about 50km West of Kambalda [1], is this the one you're looking at? Not much else on it though... Hughesdarren (talk) 10:56, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

"near the Coolgardie goldfields" but there is a unnamed species of Baeckea and it turns up as a landmark for locations of specimens, eg. "106 km south of Queen Victoria Rock on the road to Hyden, Western Australia". There is a nickel project with that name, that is the buzz on business intelligence wires, whether that means it is on it or near it I cannot ascertain. cygnis insignis 11:09, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

It is a postal address, Victoria Rock WA 6429, maybe that is fouling my search cygnis insignis 11:14, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

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thank you

thank you - it just exhausted me to see how much had been done. Thank you JarrahTree 10:35, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

No worries, I only did the ones that appeared in my watchlist, the user may have done others. Hughesdarren (talk) 10:46, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

yup - an energetic enthusiast - [2]

and also explained at [3], [4] - I think there have been another two ips before that doing very similar edits JarrahTree 10:54, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

I've done my bit, leaving any others for someone else to tidy up.... Hughesdarren (talk) 10:57, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

thanks for what you have done - appreciated ! JarrahTree 11:01, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

Can't seem to move Hampton Road, can you take a look? Hughesdarren (talk) 11:21, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

IF you mean moving to comma fremantle, then any move was 'salted' by someone editing the redirect; the software constrains a move to any redirect with multiple edit history (>1) without admin tools. Any move requires a delete and restoration of the page history. cygnis insignis 12:50, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

That was the move I was attempting, I'm not sure how to delete then restore page history. I'll leave that one in more capable hands than mine. Cheers anyway. Hughesdarren (talk) 12:57, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

huh? was away from computer from most of evening, sorry I wasnt able to join in JarrahTree 14:05, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

You have to provoke someone with the tool to do that, we are not enabled being mere workers, if it is uncontentious then you can try a technical move request at WP:RM. cygnis insignis 14:58, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

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Thanks for the review

Just wanted to say thank you for reviewing my new article Gibson Southern Jumbo. I used to own one a 1964 example of these fine guitars (pictured in the article photo), maybe will again some day! Cheers from Tony Rees in NSW, Australia. Tony 1212 (talk) 22:45, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

No worries, nice job on the article, it's not easy to start from scratch. I only just got my new page reviewer status back, will do a it of a tidy on it over the next little while so you may want to check it out in a couple of days. Merry Xmas and happy editing. Hughesdarren (talk) 00:52, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

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