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Sweet Alice

I've gone ahead and started an article for Sweet Alice. I do realize it might not be notable enough to merit an article but I figured it's worth a shot. Shaneymike (talk) 20:12, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Duff McKagan

Thanks for your comment about Duff McKagan and the Betty Blowtorch EP at my talk page. I also have no idea why the EP is controversial. You are correct - it would probably be best to remove the statement altogether. I'll take care of it. DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 16:48, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

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Slash Album

Hi,

You removed the negative review of Slash's album from Tickets There without explanation.

Is there an issue? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.120.247.194 (talk) 12:30, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Of course, the listing is for professional reviews, the site you provided doesnt seem professional in the slightest especially with the reviewer stating "Myles Kennedy’s whining, pussy vocals ruin it. Like a pre-pubescent Chad Kroeger impersonating Robert Plant and later in the song, the one and only Axl Rose. Wonder why?" And like I said in my edit, not every review should be on there, only ones from the likes of Allmusic, Rolling Stone or any other reliable online publications not some blogger type site. Also how can you say the rest of the site is if this is the type of people working for it?

But thats my opinion anyway, I wont revert it again, but I think you should take it into account should someone else remove the review.HrZ (talk) 12:45, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

I think that's fair enough. I read the site regularly and it's normally alot less harsh on bands, reviewer seems to really dislike the record. I only reverted because I see you edit alot of GN'R related pages so I thought it was a fan.

If another editor reverts, we won't fight it.

If it gets a bad review, nothing I can do, Allmusic (while they havnt given their usually star ratings) have criticized the album as well. It wont effect my opinion either way if I enjoy it.

Thats basically how I started on Wiki, mainly Loaded/Duff McKagan related articles but I try and do others, revert vandalisms etc like other editors as well when I can. But I can see why you would think that. Anyway thanks for understanding. HrZ (talk) 13:00, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Slash album

So what if theyre credited in the notes! if they arnt on the cover it shouldnt be saying they are featured... manu musicans/band use extra musicans for a song but it still isnt a feat. song (often keyboards and strings)... it isnt different in this case... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.209.214.212 (talk) 14:21, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Slash album track 9 - Watch This Dave

Did you see the original CD ???

Here are the pictures:

http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/5602/26788116853301661746100.jpg

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/5242/26788116853418328401100.jpg

and this is the billboard page link:

http://www.billboard.com/charts/billboard-200?tag=chscr1#/album/slash/slash/1325140 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Atilladrjb (talk • contribs) 09:32, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Paradise City

The writing credits for all "Appetite" songs has been given to all band-members at the time... Steven owns 15 % of the writing credits...--Arneandre (talk) 15:02, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Check the Appetite for Destruction page again... This is taken from credits section: "All songs credited to Guns N' Roses; "It's So Easy" co-credited to West Arkeen and "Anything Goes" co-credited to Chris Weber.[24] Actual writers and composers listed."... If all songs are credited to Guns N' Roses, It means they are credited to Axl, Slash, Izzy Duff AND Steven... When they say "Actual writers" it is not an "official" writing credit...

Besides you could look at the book inside the Guns N' Roses Greates Hits Album, there Paradise City's writing is also credited to Axl Rose, Slash, Izzy Stradlin, Duff Makagan and Steven Adler

One more thing... Slash also says so in his Autobiography.... and Steven sued Guns N' Roses, because they tryed to take his writing credits away from him, when they fired him... GnR lost the case, and Steven was promised 15% writing credit on every song he recorded with them besore his depature--Arneandre (talk) 17:56, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

On the first page of the album-book (Appetite for Destruction) the credits are given: "All songs written, arranged and performed by Guns N' Roses except "It´s So Easy" co-written with West Arkeen and "Anything Goes" with Cris Weber." --Arneandre (talk) 18:05, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Yeah its allright! :)--Arneandre (talk) 20:21, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

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This Is War

For the source that you added for emo on This Is War, you have to read the discussion Talk:List_of_emo_artists#30_Seconds_to_Mars. I deleted that source for the consensus at the talk page. You did a vandalism.--79.46.183.240 (talk) 00:59, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Do you understand?--79.49.110.113 (talk) 22:44, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

If it was vandalism another editor would have removed it by now. The consensus seems to be discussing the overall genre of the band, not the album and also it doesnt seem like they came to a conclusion. Quote from tail end of the discussion: "All you are giving is opinions. Your opinion. Which doesn't count for anything. Just as my opinion counts for nothing. What matters is policy and guideline. This states that reliably sourced info is entirely worthy of inclusion. Consensus is not a vote. It doesn't matter how many people don't want to see 30STM labeled as emo - as their only argument is their opinion. All that matters is that the genre is reliably sourced. Which it is."

Allmusic is a reliable source (wither you agree or not), they list the albums styles as Emo-pop which redirects to Emo. Removing said source is vandalism. HrZ (talk) 13:30, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Maybe you don't understand, you read only that you want to read; "Whether an Allmusic profile includes "emo" in its list of bullet-pointed genres and styles is secondary to whether the writer actually describes the artist/album as "emo" in the text of their bio/review. " The writer wrote that the album isn't emo, and you are doing a vandalism.--79.46.183.114 (talk) 18:59, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

You can be accussed of the same thing, same editor as the one you quoted: "As for Allmusic, regardless of your opinion they are widely recognized as a "reliable, published, third-party sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy", with many published volumes on music history and recordings in addition to the information available on their website. Both the Musicians and Albums projects regard Allmusic as a reliable source. For the record, however, we hardly ever go by the bulleted genre classifications on the left side of their pages; we place much more weight on the comments made by the actual reviewer. If a review or biography on Allmusic describes an album or artist as emo, that's what we're looking for. The genre classifications and the bios/reviews are not written by the same people, and the latter carry a lot more weight than the former."

Nothing there that says it can't be used as a source, simply not prefered by them and prefer to take it from the review itself. Doesnt say it cant be though. As for the review itself, it doesnt say anywhere that the "album isn't emo". If you are meaning "Emotional bloodletting never quite fit 30 Seconds to Mars" that is pretty thin considering he could mean any number of things such as 30STM never suited being an emo band (admitting that they did try and be one) to anything else. Also, I did not add the genre, just don't see why it should be removed, you said there had been a "consensus" over the source however I still fail to see it probably because they didnt come to one (also I see 30STM is still on the list of emo artists with the same source that they apparently came to a consensus about [1]) and again no editor seems to have undone my revert of the removal of the genre (or accused me of vandalising the page). If another (established) editor removes it with good reason, I wont add it back but until then, Im not removing it. HrZ (talk) 13:00, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

What? Can you read? The review says that the album isn't emo (When they were mining a post-grunge or nu metal or emo vein, this was a liability, but now that they’ve shifted their music with the shifting times, adopting a hybrid of the Killers’ retro new wave and My Chemical Romance’s gothic prog).--95.247.183.84 (talk) 23:02, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Re: Loaded (band)

Hi, I honored that you thought to ask me. I'm going to be traveling most of this week so I won't get to it until the weekend. You might want start a post at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Rock music to see if anyone wants to take a look at it in the meantime. Good luck J04n(talk page) 19:57, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

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Hi , thanks I was unsure about that, have you got a link to the guideline for future reference? Off2riorob (talk) 21:38, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Cool, much appreciated. Off2riorob (talk) 21:48, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

RE: Thanks

Hey, no problem about that. Yeah, the last time (s)he has edited the Sevendust band page was on January 10, so hopefully that can be considered a past issue. I would've liked to say that the person hasn't edited since yesterday, but I just saw some edits from that IP which are still not as constructive as they could be; I'll need to take care of that. Cheers. Backtable _{Speak to me}^{concerning my deeds.} 17:42, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

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RE: Velvet Revolver

The exact genre shouldn't be mentioned in the lead sentence; that's what the infobox is for. The lead sentence also seemed to drag on. As for the commas/periods thing, check here:

http://grammartips.homestead.com/inside.html

Understood about the Myles Kennedy thing, though. I just thought it was misleading. He is better known as the lead singer of Alter Bridge than the former lead singer of The Mayfield Four.

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Red and 3RR

I am keenly aware that I was at three reverts. I don't know if you're aware that you're at four, the last being reverting (for the second time) Christian from the lede. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:51, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

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Hype

I own Hype on DVD and in fact it's available on Netflix Instant View if you have the service. If you don't, don't worry, most everything in the Grunge article has been cited by me, including all the information from Hype. WesleyDodds (talk) 02:33, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Copy-edit of Slash's Snakepit

I've finished with my revision of the article you requested. Nothing too drastic was changed, though I did fix some of your quotes - when you quote a sentence, you don't need to use square brackets to bring the initial capital down to lower-case (such as "[n]othing too drastic..."). Square brackets in quotes indicate a change, generally replacing context-specific words ("my" for "[his]", etc), rather than parsing. It helps neaten things to just bring the case down without the brackets, That aside, the only thing I would recommend is to add the singles into the discography section. I know the links are redirects at present, but just listing their names with year of release would add greatly to that section. Good luck with the GA nomination! GRAPPLE X 05:14, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

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Re: FF

Replied on my talk. Thanks, mate. Scarian ^{Call me Pat!} 09:29, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Bevan Davies/Madfly

Thanks for your help. Shaneymike (talk) 16:18, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

L.A. Guns

So, we've recently been having a back-and-forth about Chad Stewart and Jeremy Guns leaving the Tracii Guns lineup of L.A. Guns. You don't like my sources, but I think we should change it anyways. While I happen to completely disagree with you, I understand your reasoning, and I think I have found a solution that should make us both happy. You originally said "Social networking sites are not reliable sources. Please find a reliable third-party source for the changes." However, according to WP:SOCIALMEDIA, "...pages on social networking sites such as Twitter or Facebook should only be used to support personal information about subjects—in articles about those subjects—if the page is confirmed by another source, such as the subject's website, as belonging to the subject. When such authentication is not possible, pages on social networking sites should not be used." So if you can confirm that a Facebook account is a person's official account, then it can be considered a reliable source. On Tracii Guns's official website, it links to his official Facebook page. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe this means that the Facebook page can be considered a reliable source for the change. Woknam66 (talk) 15:10, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Soundgarden

How is adding an unnamed but confirmed album against WP:CRYSTAL and WP:HAMMER? CRYSTAL just says no speculation, and since i have a source, it isn't speculation. HAMMER just days not to create a page until you have a name, and I didn't create a page. Woknam66 (talk) 16:20, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

You were told why at Talk:Soundgarden#New album, where I also noted that any more "TBA" or "TBD" attempts would more than likely be reverted by other editors, not just by me. This may be a good sign to just drop it. Tarc (talk) 17:03, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

I have asked TenPoundHammer for his opinion on the matter. If he says that you're right, I'll back off. I hope you'll do the me the courtesy if he sides with me. Woknam66 (talk) 04:43, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Well, like I said, I'll back off....until there's a name. Woknam66 (talk) 16:05, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Facebook for L.A. Guns

Didn't we decide that the reason we didn't want to use Tracii's Facebook post was because he was a little too vague? It seems like this post is pretty specific. Woknam66 ^talk _{James Bond} 15:09, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Indeed we did, and after checking again I have decided not to revert. However, we should refrain from continuing to use Facebook as a source so often, per WP:SOCIALMEDIA, "the article is not based primarily on such sources." Also, with lineup changes frequent with L.A. Guns, perhaps we should wait 'till the departed members have been replaced before changing the article. HrZ (talk) 17:36, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

I think it would make to most sense to use Facebook as a source originally, and then change the source to something like Blabbermouth once something more official has been posted. Woknam66 ^talk _{James Bond} 02:35, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Pages added templates

As I was glancing over your page, I couldn't help noticing your Pages Added templates. I took the liberty of copying and pasting a few of them to my own page and replacing your pages with my own. I hope you don't mind. Shaneymike (talk) 19:45, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Not at all, the Templates are free for anyone to use! HrZ (talk) 11:49, 30 April 2011 (UTC)