User talk:Hoenniboenni

December 2022

Hello, I'm MrOllie. I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions have been undone because they appeared to be promotional. Advertising and using Wikipedia as a "soapbox" are against Wikipedia policy and not permitted; Wikipedia articles should be written objectively, using independent sources, and from a neutral perspective. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about Wikipedia. Thank you. MrOllie (talk) 14:09, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

The Wikipedia page about social robotics is outdated because it does not list several latest developments in the field (I added a list of robots to Examples section). Why listing NAO and Pepper is not considered to be promotional content and listing QTrobot, Misty, Navel and Kebbi is promotional? Hoenniboenni (talk) 14:08, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not supposed to be a complete list. It is not a catalog or directory. - MrOllie (talk) 14:10, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Please do not add promotional material to Wikipedia. While objective prose about beliefs, organisations, people, products or services is acceptable, Wikipedia is not a vehicle for soapboxing, advertising or promotion. Thank you. MrOllie (talk) 13:23, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to add promotional or advertising material to Wikipedia, as you did at Social robot, you may be blocked from editing. MrOllie (talk) 13:58, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you use Wikipedia for promotion or advertising. MrOllie (talk) 14:03, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: QTrobot (December 16)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by Blaze Wolf were:  The comment the reviewer left was: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

• If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:QTrobot and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
• If you do not edit your draft in the next 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
• If you need any assistance, or have experienced any untoward behavior associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:11, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

every computer is based on some basic things, including a robot. But I rephrased this part Hoenniboenni (talk) 14:20, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Hoenniboenni! Having an article draft declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 14:11, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: QTrobot (December 19)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by Casualdejekyll were:  The comment the reviewer left was: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

• If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:QTrobot and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
• If you do not edit your draft in the next 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
• If you need any assistance, or have experienced any untoward behavior associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

casualdejekyll 12:40, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Hi,

would you specify more precisely what is the conceptual difference between my draft and other Wikipedia pages about other social robots? Other pages dedicated to social robots also speak about their technical characteristics, awards and use cases. Why is is forbidden to do the same for QTrobot?

I cite IEEE, HRI (major social robotics conference), Springer journals, European Commission, Luxembourgish government among others. What on these sources is not verifiable, not secondary, not in-depth and not reliable?

It is also not true that no meaningful changes happened after the first decline, please be more precise in your recommendations. This would really help.

Thank you very much! Hoenniboenni (talk) 13:42, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

You didn't mention 'independent of the subject' in your question. That is the important criteria here. MrOllie (talk) 13:59, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

What do you mean? Researchers use robots for their experiments, the experiments are not independent of the robots.

What is the conceptual difference between my draft and this page for example? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keepon

Keepon even tells how to buy the robot, is this "independent of the source"? Hoenniboenni (talk) 14:04, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Focus less on other articles which may or may need need corrections and more on your own additions and their compliance with the guidelines. Are you associated with this robot or its makers in some fashion? Please review WP:COI and WP:PAID, certain disclosures are required by Wikipedia's terms of use. - MrOllie (talk) 14:07, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Are you maybe associated with the producers of NAO and do not want other robots to be included?

I added references that are compliant with the guidelines Hoenniboenni (talk) 14:10, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

No, you didn't. If you think you did, you need to re-read the guidelines thoroughly. They are linked in the above message. MrOllie (talk) 14:11, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

this is quite arrogant and not helpful at all Hoenniboenni (talk) 14:13, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Your argument does not reply to my question. Hoenniboenni (talk) 14:11, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

You also ignored my question. MrOllie (talk) 14:11, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Why did you delete this:

1) "and QTrobot originally designed at the University of Luxembourg"

2) "Other social robots that can be customised for therapeutic applications include Misty, Navel () and Kebbi (offered for instance by ). Several of these robots offer an SDK and a graphical programming interface to facilitate customization by non-technical people."

?

What do these passages need to make you happy? Hoenniboenni (talk) 14:19, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

I am disinclined to answer your questions if you do not answer mine. MrOllie (talk) 14:20, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Is this a power game now? so for you it is not about content at all? Hoenniboenni (talk) 14:23, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

It is about content - specifically about keeping inappropriate advertising out of Wikipedia. MrOllie (talk) 14:30, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

I really want to understand why does Wikipedia promote SoftBank Robotics and NAO robots, and why you reject adding information about other robots? Again, the references that I added are compliant with all policies. If you have more concrete comments, it would be very helpful (which part of the draft is problematic and in which way, and what solution you suggest to improve). Hoenniboenni (talk) 14:40, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

And yes, I am aware of the COI and PAID policy. And I am writing this content as researcher in social robotics, not as a paid editor. Hoenniboenni (talk) 14:22, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

But you are associated with this project, correct? MrOllie (talk) 14:30, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

I am not associated with the manufacturer of the robot. Or what do you mean by project? Hoenniboenni (talk) 14:35, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

You are quite carefully splitting hairs there. I suppose that is a yes. If you continue editing about QTrobot, while being evasive in this way, I will escalate this to the appropriate noticeboard for further action. - MrOllie (talk) 14:41, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

What??? There are hundreds of project using QTrobot in the world. So which project do you mean? Hoenniboenni (talk) 14:45, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Concern regarding Draft:QTrobot

Hello, Hoenniboenni. This is a bot-delivered message letting you know that Draft:QTrobot, a page you created, has not been edited in at least 5 months. Drafts that have not been edited for six months may be deleted, so if you wish to retain the page, please edit it again or request that it be moved to your userspace.

If the page has already been deleted, you can request it be undeleted so you can continue working on it.

Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia. FireflyBot (talk) 05:19, 31 May 2023 (UTC)