User talk:Hkhenson

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Aaron Lynch

The top line of the article says he died last November. Do you have evidence to the contrary? Anyway, an appeal for contact would more appropriately go on the Talk page in my humble opinion. —Tamfang 20:01, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I just didn't see it, will fix. Bummer. Keith Henson 20:26, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Transhumanism, Scientology and Raelism

Hello Hkhenson. I just wanted to let you know about the discussion at Talk:Transhumanism#Scientology and Raelism. --Loremaster 14:13, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Tooby

Hmmm... that was almost a year ago, so I can't remember. I'm guessing it was a mistake; feel free to add it back if you like. Mikker ^(...) 17:47, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Capture-bonding

Thank-you for taking the time to reply to my comments. I have seen them, and I shall reply in detail in due course, although this may not be until Friday (European time). I encourage you to continue you discussion with Sadi in the meantime: I think there is a misunderstanding of styles and personalities between the two of you which comes on top of the scientific discussion. Best of luck for your other battles, 16:47, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

WP:OWN at Capture-bonding

Your last edit deleted over 14,000 kilobytes worth of sourced material. At this point, your efforts are turning into direct cases of vandalism. Please cease this at once. --Sadi Carnot 15:20, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Edit warring

"I will revert the article to get rid of the conflicting, unrelated information and continue to do so until you quit piling in conflicting material or the admins rule against me" Consider this the ruling. You will cease edit warring for the sake of edit warring, if you have a dispute take it to WP:RFC, as I have suggested the other party do. But this type of gaming the system won't play, monsignor. --Golbez 15:30, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Talk page protocol

Henson, I understand that you are not a seasoned talk page user, but please read Wikipedia:Talk page. In short, make your comments "following" the comments of the person you want to talk to, not in their mid sentence. In other words, don’t break up a person’s paragraph by inserting replies mid-way. Second, use colons ":::" to indent. Third, please try to keep you comments in one paragraph, rather then sentence by sentence. It's easier to follow who is saying what this way. Thanks: --Sadi Carnot 07:18, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Grant you the "answer under a post without breaking them up." That's completely counter to the way replies have been done for decades on usenet. In a long usenet post you may reply in several places to particular points. But whatever the local standard. (Are you certain about this?)

"One paragraph" though is so ridiculous that I went looking. Wikipedia:Talk page links to:

Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines

Technical and format standards

Layout

* Answer underneath a post: Then the next post will go underneath yours and so on. This makes it easy to see the chronological order of posts. The one at the bottom is the latest.

* Separate multiple points with whitespace: If a single post has several points, it makes it clearer to separate them with a paragraph break (i.e. a blank line). (more snipped)

This isn't paper, and as the guildline says, use whitespace. And quit editing my discussion postings into an unreadable block. In the usenet world that would be considered extremely rude. Keith Henson 13:40, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes, thank you Henson, but this is Wikipedia, we all try to follow the same format. If you break up a person's chain of thought by interspersing partial replies, then the talk page becomes unreadable to 3rd party participants. New Wikipedians sometimes think it is better to use letter-style replies and to answer in someone else’s comments, but usually join into the normal flow given time. --Sadi Carnot 01:09, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Do you agree that white space to separate multiple points in a talk page post is per the policy quoted above?

Will you quit editing out other people's white space? Keith Henson 21:40, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

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The {{interrupted}} template is used for usenet-style replies. Publicola 20:26, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Request for comment

Hey Keith, I have just become aware of your dispute with Sadi. (He posted a request for comment WP:RfC) Please let me know what your side of the issue is and hopefully there can be a peaceful resolution with respect to capture bonding, which will allow for the article to meet the standards here at wiki without putting anyone out. Thanks so much--Cronholm144 23:22, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

I recently read your comments on the mediation page and I would like to know why capture bonding cannot be viewed as a abnormal psychology phenomena. This argument seems similar to the quantum explanation of light versus the wave theory of light. Both seem to explain the phenomena fairly well. The work of money seems to deal with Stockholm syndrome, which is a different way of looking at this, correct. So I see no reason not to mention it in the article. Either way, the article as it currently stands is more in line with typical wiki good articles (in terms of style). I look forward to your response.--Cronholm144 01:17, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Capture-bonding

Keith, I reported this article at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard#Capture-bonding because of the appearance of WP:COI and WP:OR issues. Feel free to comment there. In general, you have to be very careful when citing your own work, and when removing original research tags like you did here. Thanks. - Jehochman ^Talk 03:49, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Sadi Carnot

An interesting case has opened at WP:ANI. I recommend you follow this link [1] and comment. Do so briefly and try to provide a few concrete examples in the form of diffs. Don't overload the case by saying too much. - Jehochman ^Talk 03:33, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Keith, whether or not Sadi is blocked, I don't expect him to return because his ploy has been exposed. For yourself, please take the high road with respect to Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. Avoid citing your own work. If you think your own work could be a source for an article, feel free to recommend changes and provide a link to your work as a source on the article talk page. That's the best way for you to remain above criticism. The administrator who unblocked Sadi noted that you had cited yourself in articles, and that gave him the opportunity to make arguments I'd rather that he didn't have. If you make comments on a talk page and they go unacted upon for a while, feel free to ask me for advice on how to get attention. - Jehochman ^Talk 00:11, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice.

I expect him to be back, probably under a different name. The guy is persistent, and as a guess has a lot of time on his hands.

Re citing my article, it was published in a reputable (on line) journal. That's a bit different from citing your personal web site where you sell books. The capture bonding article (which has been through dozens of edits before I cleaned out most of Sadi's BS) cites my article more than I would like. If you or anyone else who understands the basics of evolutionary psychology would like to make it more readable, be my guest. I think the point is to make informative, readable articles, not to ban the people who know something about the topic. Nobody complained about COI before Sadi came along. It's not like I am selling books when I point people to on line articles of mine that expand on a subject.

Citing Wikipedia:Conflict of interest "Editing in an area in which you have professional or academic expertise is not, in itself, a conflict of interest. Using material you yourself have written or published is allowed within reason, but only if it is notable and conforms to the content policies. Excessive self-citation is strongly discouraged. When in doubt, defer to the community's opinion."

Capture-bonding, while I didn't originate it, I certainly did spread the idea around and there are not many others who have. Considering the number of Google hits for that article, I think it rates as notable. If you can get someone to work on it, please do. If nobody else wants to work on capture bonding in the next week, I might take another pass at it.

The whole Sadi business has sure been interesting. Keith Henson 02:29, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Did you mean to say something? Or not? http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration&curid=438960&diff=167022287&oldid=167014194 Kww 17:52, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes. Even trying to be diplomatic.  :-) Keith Henson 18:40, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Ease off if possible please, there's another way

You don't know me, but we had a lengthy discussion in the '90s at a science fiction convention, back when the Doubletree was the Red Lion. Anyway I think the world of you and welcome you to Wikipedia wholeheartedly. I appreciate that you have boldly dove in and hit the ground running, which is great to see. I hope you are around for a long time.

Having said that, I just want to tell you, adding your own research material with USENET as a source is profoundly bad according to the Wikipedia policies on no original research and reliable sources. You can only add materials which, among other things, aren't self-published. You already know about the conflict of interest policy, too, which has implications, if I remember correctly, to the effect that you can't add your own self-published stuff even if someone else would be able to. Adding the your peer-reviewed publications is generally okay, but many people will frown upon that, too.

I know you have come up against someone who has obviously done far worse, which makes it incredibly difficult to pick up on norms. I hope you will please take my advice and refrain from editing any material about your own self-published research.

The correct way to go about this when there is a conflict or self-published material that you wish to add, is to post the information on the article's talk page and ask others to do so. If you don't get an answer you can post a few days later on WP:VPM and someone will take a look at it there for certain.

I hope I don't discourage you. These policies are designed to prevent just the kind of abuse you have encountered. I just now learned of these issues, coming across an Arbitration Committee discussion, and looking around I saw that Capture bond said "(See capture-bonding for the unrelated evolutionary psychology term)." My heart sank when I saw that both of these "unrelated" articles immediarely mentioned Stockholm syndrome. This is what is technically known as a mess, and it will take time and experienced, uninvolved editors to sort out.

Again, welcome, and I wish you the best. Publicola 20:22, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

I see your point

Re the capture-bonding cite, if you follow the article history back, there was a request for a citation. I took this to mean they wanted confirmation of it being about 15 years after 1980, and that very short 1997 Usenet post is as far as I know the only thing that puts a time stamp on when I came to the same conclusion John Tooby had come to in the early 1980s. Sorry I put it in, I should have posted it to the talk page and let someone else do it, but it seemed to be unnecessarily complicated to put in a requested cite and nothing else. It's hardly POV pushing.

If you see any problem with it, revert, rewrite, delete at your choice.

Another cite request in the same article has a big entry I put on the talk page and nobody has done anything about it for 6 days.

The creation of capture bond I had discussed on the talk page a week or more before I split out the material unrelated to the evolutionary psychology term, capture-bonding (as an evolved psychological mechanism) that Sadi had stuffed into the article. I don't think this material deserves a Wikipedia entry, but I didn't want to just deleted it. Feel free to put the article up for deletion.

Now while I would absolutely *love* to be able to claim that I discovered the evolved capture-bonding mechanism, I can't do it. John Tooby got there first by 15 years. So anything I say about it isn't original research.

Re self published, unless you count postings to Usenet and similar lists, I have not self published; all my publications even the fiction pieces have had editors/publishers, the space engineering and psychology papers were either approved conference papers or reviewed.

I have actually been here about two years. Not very active, but I wrote much of the material on L5 Society after being requested to do so and contributed to a few other articles where I could be considered knowledgeable.

What were we discussing at BayCon? I might remember the topic even if my people buffer has long overflowed.  :-)

Keith Henson 03:02, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

The C of S. At the time I walked up to you on the patio, you were talking to a crowd about it. I didn't know the first thing about any of it back then. You filled me in on all the details.

I am having trouble trying to determine whether Human Nature Review is peer-reviewed; their website doesn't even list an editor. I assumed it was not, but in the ANI thread you refer to it (I think) as "reviewed." Can you please help? Publicola 07:19, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

[deleted as moot]

The evolutionary capture-bonding might be significant for non scientists to understand why humans act so weird, but the big names in EP (such as John Tooby) think it is so obvious it doesn't even rate an article.

In retrospect, I should not have objected when Sadi tried to corrupt the term by stuffing unrelated material into the article, no doubt in preparation to using it to support his pseudoscience. In deeper retrospect, I should never have mentioned capture-bonding on Wikipedia at all. It's easy to find with Google if anyone is interested.

To keep down confusion, I would appreciate if you would rename the article "capture bond" since it no longer has anything to do with an evolved psychological mechanism.

Best wishes,

Keith Henson 17:27, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Sadi Carnot

Hello,

An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Sadi Carnot. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Sadi Carnot/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Sadi Carnot/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, David Mestel^(Talk) 19:20, 29 October 2007 (UTC) David Mestel^(Talk) 19:20, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Appreciate the offer, but I don't think I have anything useful to say short of a major theoretical essay on the social dynamics of online groups as seen through the lens of evolutionary psychology. And if I did write one, it would be rejected as original research. Keith Henson 00:14, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Keith, can you just delete the evidence of P62 being incivil? He got a little steamed. It happens to all of us from time to time. Let's focus on the essentials of the case. If he gets snarky later on, you can always pull this evidence out of your back pocket. I think it's a good idea to exercise restraint whenever possible and not fan the flames of conflict.

For you and others in a similar situation, I have proposed a change to WP:COI, at WT:COI#Scientists_and_Experts - Jehochman ^Talk 13:57, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

November 2007

Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks will lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. --Akhilleus (talk) 16:40, 4 November 2007 (UTC) The above warning refers to this comment at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Capture bonding. Please ensure that your comments are germane to the issues at stake in the AfD, which boil down to whether Capture bonding is a notable concept in psychology. Repeated accusations that Physchim62 wants to delete the article because of the Sadi Carnot arbitration are both uncivil and irrelevant to whether the article should be deleted. Thank you. --Akhilleus (talk) 16:43, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't believe you can make a case that pointing out facts is a personal attack.

You act as if I were trying to prevent the article from being deleted. This is just plain incorrect. As it is, the article *should* be deleted. A simple concept stuffed with unrelated nonsense doesn't do either the concept or Wikipedia any good. Keith Henson 20:09, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm glad we agree that the article should be deleted. However, accusing Physchim62 of starting the AfD as "revenge" for the arbitration case and harping on his supposed support for Sadi Carnot has nothing to do with the AfD, and is an obvious instance of commenting on the contributor, and not the content. If you feel you must say such things, limit them to the arbitration pages, and keep them out of the AfD. --Akhilleus (talk) 01:42, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

I note in looking at Physchim62's talk page you have not asked *him* to refrain from personal attacks. Please consider them and tell me if what I have said rises even close to what he has recently written attacking me and several others involved in trying to sort out the mess around Sadi Carnot. I would appreciate your considered judgment in this matter. Keith Henson 19:05, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Meme article

Regarding this comment on my talk page, I personally would prefer a citation, yes. Are those statements common knowledge to a person unfamiliar with memetics? If you think those statements don't need a citation, you're free to remove the {{fact}} tag. If your userpage is any indication, you appear to be quite knowledgeable about the field of memetics and I'm glad we have experts like you contributing to Wikipedia. Thank you for your message. --Pixelface 23:39, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Re: Grue (monster)

Back in June you put the tag "This article does not cite any references or sources" on Grue.

The article talks extensively about the Infocom Zork games and _Dying Earth_ by Jack Vance. I hardly know how you could have more cites. Am I missing something? Keith Henson (talk) 13:27, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Surprisingly, inferring that most or all information in an article came from the work(s) it encompasses fails to satisfy the guidelines laid down at Wikipedia:Citing sources. Wikipedia:Verifiability states that, ideally, "Articles should rely on reliable, third-party published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy". In the cases where such sources do not exist, references to the material itself are somewhat permissible as long as they are explicitly referenced. Take a look at Final Fantasy VII#References for an example of how facts about a work can be referenced from within the work itself. In addition to providing acceptable referencing this method clearly separates facts actually contained in the work from original research done by the editors. Anyway, I hope that clarifies this for you. :) Garrett^Talk 19:41, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

New capture bonding draft

I didn't realize you were planning to post it directly into the discussion. I've moved it to the existing subpage in your userspace, User:Hkhenson/Capture bonding, which already contains the previous history of the article. This is just to make sure everything is in the right place; I think a new DRV at this point might be considered premature. Chick Bowen 18:12, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Regarding your new draft of the article, I'm sorry that Wikipedia's deletion procedures can be so confusing. They are designed to prevent content of dubious merit from "sneaking its way" into an encyclopedia that this is maintained largely by non-expert volunteers. Occasionally, this causes good content to become caught "in the net"; inadvertently, this article came to people's attention when you referenced your own work, which is not forbidden in the least, but does raise questions. To my eyes, the draft is substantially improved, more than enough to escape CSD G4 (deletion of reposted content.) I'm not even sure it requires an AfD, but that is at editorial option. It now seems like a fine article to me, and I will move it to mainspace. This does not mean it is immune from another "articles for deletion" debate, but I'd expect it to survive. If anyone ask you how the article came to be where it was, please refer them to me. Best wishes, Xoloz (talk) 14:02, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Since several objections were raised to the recreation, I've renominated this at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Capture bonding (2nd nomination). I know that will be disappointing, but as Xoloz said, there is no way to prevent it, and better now than later in my opinion. So please comment there. Thanks. Chick Bowen 18:32, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

I think the problem is the name ofthe article--unless you can provide some real sources for its use, it really needs to be renamed--I think if it were, everyone would be satisfied. If the name becomes established, it could be moved back. It would be a shame to sacrifice the article over this. DGG (talk) 01:19, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

See the comments on the AfD page. The problem is that (as you say) Stockholm syndrome is confusing to describe this obvious and more general phenomena. It's a problem with many EP explanations. Once they have been stated they seem trivial and obvious.  :-) Keith Henson (talk) 02:33, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Second version now userfied as well. Let's see if we can get a third version that passes editorial muster! - David Gerard (talk) 11:09, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

And I just noticed your request for the talk page as well, which is now at User:Hkhenson/Talk:Capture bonding. Merry R6mas! - David Gerard (talk) 13:09, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Light

Durova was my admin coach and I sometimes work with her. There was a question as to my involvement in the matters subject to arbitration. Thus far nearly all the discussion has focused mostly on Durova, and only slightly on me (see [2]). - Jehochman ^Talk 04:36, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

request for article

Existential risks of artificial intelligence

Mailing would be fine, hkhenson@rogers.com or hkeithhenson@gmail.com. It had editing fixes I would like to keep. There is a home for it.

Keith Henson —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hkhenson (talk • contribs) 06:21, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your message. In future, please sign your messages by typing ~~~~ at the end.

I've emailed it to the address you have registered with Wikipedia. Stifle (talk) 08:12, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

UFOs etc

A source would be great. Not sure if the sentence was worded slightly wrong, or not, but it seemed a bit unlikely, maybe the source worded it slightly differently, we could double-check it. It's your life so I expect you know more about it than most people.:):):) Sticky Parkin 20:07, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Order of Cosmic Engineers

Hello, just to let you know that I've moved your comments about social dynamics to the talk page, so that the deletion discussion remains focussed upon the consensus to keep or delete. Oh, and I also replied to your question about me and Loremaster. Best, – Toon^(talk) 18:34, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

With regard to comments like this, I'm going to ask you to either stop making ill-informed accusations of sockpuppetry towards myself and Loremaster; or go to Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets, read the instructions and file a report. Sockpuppetry is a serious accusation to make, and I do not appreciate your continued questioning of my character. A look for yourself through my contributions and Loremaster's would show you that we are indeed unrelated. Cheers, – Toon^(talk) 17:32, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

I agree from the evidence that one of you is most unlikely to be a sock puppet for the other. However what you did for loremaster can certainly be considered being a meat puppet. I bet you he was most surprised that you made it clear the AfD request was from him. You seem to have the admirable trait of excessive honesty.  :-) His excuse of not having time is really unlikely from the timestamps and he is certainly up to filling out an AfD without help.

Incidentally, loremaster's real world ID has most likely been discovered. It's an interesting story and in my opinion should disqualify him from editing transhumanist articles. I am not going to follow up on this because unlike loremaster I don't care about pretentious wiki articles on the subject or for that matter, much about the subject itself. I would, however, bet fair odds that the people involved in transhumanist organizations would prefer there be no wiki articles rather than the ones "edited" by loremaster. Keith Henson (talk) 00:59, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Scientology arbitration

This is to notify you that you have been added as a involved party to the Scientology arbitration case; this is because you have edited articles within the topic and have now been mentioned in a Finding of Fact in the /Workshop. On behalf of the Arbitration Committee,  Roger Davies ^talk 03:59, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Is there any reason related to the arbitration you went after me? Banning me from a topic I have edited no more than twice and not edited for more than a year is very strange. Have I offended you in some way I am not aware? Keith Henson (talk) 16:45, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Replied by email.  Roger Davies ^talk 18:00, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

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archives and CoI

I notice you were involved in a recent discussion about archives at the WP:CoI policy. I was wondering if you could please have a look at a couple of the questions I've asked about this that were raised to me by people in the industry: Wikipedia_talk:Conflict_of_interest#Archives_exception_-_clarification_please Sincerely, Witty Lama 16:23, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Request for review of future WP:MLA

Please come take a look at the rapidly developing page previously known as WP:GLAM. I'd appreciate your feedback before it goes live. Thanks. --UncleDouggie (talk) 01:39, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

archives etc.

It is getting too heated etc. at the moment, and I think we should try together to first see if we can meet somewhere halfway (I know, you suggested to use e-mail, but we can also try to keep it on-wiki for now).

First, I agree that these links can be of use. And in a way, I don't mind them to be added in a massive way (either by one of the archivists themselves, or by a wikiproject, by a bot, or by someone else who has access to the database in an easy way). For the editor with a COI, there may be a bit of a problem (it may appear promoting, and I have seen such cases, though indeed generally those are not the archivists themselves, but someone somewhere else in the organisation).

You brought the Stanford editor as an example, where you found that the links were good. I have been examining them, and have some minor remarks (relating to formatting and style, e.g.), but also a couple of serious remarks/mistakes with that editor. The bigger problems were that they made occasional serious mistakes (probably due to the relative high speed of addition), and when asked, did not discuss but simply proceed. If 'we' find errors, and the editor just continues, then however good the archive is, it is better to revert, check &c., then to leave them without knowing. I've had discussions before with projects, but there is at that time no active response (people have other things to do), and you are left with a mixture of several good, and several which are plainly wrong. So what use do the good ones have then (which are correct?)?

A couple of days ago I was notified of another archive adding links. With those I did not see any mistakes, they were slow in adding, took care, had a look around the articles, &c. &c. They did by the way quote the #7 on their userpage, not the change afterwards.

I feel that in that section, #7 is out of place, to me it is not a 'non-controversial edit' (not sure how to say, they are done by editors with whom generally the COI is not the problem or something like that). We could however start another section where we do take the words of #7, maybe slightly adapted. Also, GLAMs are still not the only in those groups, I don't think we should make an exception for GLAMs, and not make exceptions for 'commercial databases', and there are other organisations which have similar data. What do you think? --Dirk Beetstra ^{T C} 08:57, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Off hand if someone puts in a good but poorly formated link, we might call their attention to it or fix it, but just deleting seems non productive.

If you go back into the long thread where we came to putting it under non-contriversial, you can see it wasn't my choice but a compromise.

I proposed a different kind of exception to let employees out of COI while adding links to what the archive has. Putting it in non-contriversial section was someone else's idea.

Sorry you think this is heated. My wife *is* an archivist and knows the field, the needs, and a good number of the people. If you want to make a similar exception for pointers put in by commercial data base operators, be my guest. Long as they are not being advocates of some POV or excessively link spamming I don't have a a problem. Keith Henson (talk) 20:41, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

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Scientology update?

Anything new on that front? Checked your bio here and didn't see anytying. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.251.228.6 (talk) 16:53, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Origin of "Military Brat" Pushed Back to 1939

Holy cow, I don't know if you realize what you just did! Good work Keith!

P.S. I think what you dug out hasn't been dug out yet by the major (modern day) authors on the subject (and I've read most of them).

Telemachus.forward (talk) 05:20, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

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Hi, I see you have your own article, have you self identified to the foundation and had your claim verified? Off2riorob (talk) 21:16, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

I have no idea of what you mean by "self identified" nor why I should do so to the foundation. Far as I know, I have made no claims that need to be verified. If I have, please explain. I have been on the net for a long time and am fairly well known, however. Keith Henson (talk) 19:45, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Well you are claiming to be a living person of note with a telephone number asking for contact on your user page and basically you could be anyone. Do you see that could be an issue? Off2riorob (talk) 20:53, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

I don't think that putting contact information on a user page is "asking for contact." It not like Wikipedia is the only place you can find such information, and I can't think of a phone call from someone who got the number off the User page. I was not aware that I was "claiming to be a living person of note." Such fame as I have and a couple of bucks will get me a coffee at Starbucks. As far as "could be anyone," I have been here for the last 5 years, and the first mention of me on the net dates back to 1988 at least. I am known either over the net or in person to a number of Wikipedia editors, some of whom are on this page. I had no idea that an editor could "self identify to the foundation" or what the procedure might be. Perhaps you could enlighten me? If you want you can call the phone number or I am hkhenson on Skype. But what good that would be escapes me. As you point out, I could be anyone pretending to be Keith Henson, though I can't imagine why. Keith Henson (talk) 07:52, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes, my position is that if you continue to want to claim that you are this person with a wiki article and keep your contact details and that claim on your userpage, you need to identify to the foundation - I am also happy if you remove your contact details, that is up to you? If you want to continue claiming to be that person I will ask an WP:OTRS volunteer to assist you in confirming the details. Off2riorob (talk) 21:13, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Bizarre. Can you point me to a Wikipedia policy that requires editors to be secret about their real life identity or to confirm their ID with the Foundation? I know the real life identity of a number of editors and they never mentioned this was a requirement. Keith Henson (talk) 06:32, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Off2riorob, you are being overzealous and peculiar. There is no requirement for anybody to identify themselves. This user isn't (currently) being disruptive. I've known them for several years and am confident that they are who they claim to be. Moreover, Keith Henson is a well-known internet personality. Surely if there were an imposter running around Wikipedia posing as him, he would file a complaint with WP:OTRS and they would sort it out. Now please go away and stop hounding this user. Thank you. Jehochman ^Talk 14:41, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Moreover, this user has identified to ArbCom. There is no issue whatsoever. See Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Scientology#Hkhenson_instructed. Jehochman ^Talk 16:44, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Ah thanks for that, I asked if he had self identified, see my opening question ... never mind. There are a of of venerable people around, we should be vigilant in this identification when claims and contact details are published on wiki. Off2riorob (talk) 01:29, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

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You commented on its AFD. The Resident Anthropologist (talk) 23:41, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

I see. I have not contributed to a Scientology related article for a number of years. Please note that I am not personally under any restrictions. But it is interesting that the terms of the probation seems to ban highly knowledgeable editors from commenting on AfDs. Interesting. Keith Henson (talk) 08:02, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

That is correct. RA, in the future please leave a link to the specific case when giving a notice, as that will be helpful. Many thanks. Jehochman ^Talk 16:43, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

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Jehochman, I have not even done that unless you count editing the page about me as a scientology page. And the only changes I did there was to add citations in the places where they were requested. The above complaint is because I spoke up on an AfD. I don't think it was the intent of ArbCom to silence people from speaking up on AfDs, but perhaps it was. Maybe you could find out. Keith Henson (talk) 19:13, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Military Brats

Hi Kieth, you had said hello and offered to chat about military brat stuff. I'm sorry about the slow response, it's been an unusually busy two weeks.

Have you seen the Documentary "Brats: Our Journey Home" ? It's about the lives of military brats and it won five film awards. Here is a Wikipedia article about the creator/director of the documentary, Donna Musil, that also discusses the documentary. Musil also is a military brat, by the way.

Thanks also again for the new source dating the earlier origin of the term "military brat".

Best,

Telemachus.forward (talk) 20:04, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

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Oil drum article added. But under "works", which is unsatisfying - I'd prefer a new section like "Later space technology efforts." Got more? Fire away. Yakushima (talk) 16:43, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

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See the response on your talk page. Incidentally I did give a reason for removing the maintenance template. Keith Henson (talk) 16:32, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

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The added text was duplicated from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dougweller. I added a note to show where it came from. Keith Henson (talk) 22:03, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

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The discovery from human genetics of the bottleneck and a proposed solution some 3 years or so later is (in a lot of people's opinions) the most important discovery about prehistory culture in the era between the start of agriculture and the rise of states.

The amazing graphical content of the original article was reproduced in the article by the Stanford researchers (click on the link to see). I think the content is under a creative commons license that could be used on Wikipedia, but I don't know how to find out. I was hoping someone would take an interest in transferring the graphical content of those articles to Wikipedia. Not a big deal, but if you put it in Draft space, nobody will see it. Do you have any other thoughts on how to get editor attention on the topic? Keith Henson (talk) 04:06, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

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Yes, I have your email address -- you should have mine already as well, though I check emails only once a week, typically. I will email you shortly, with an email address that I check every day. SoftwareThing (talk) 16:16, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

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Did not see it. hkeithhenson at gmail dot com Keith Henson (talk) 15:10, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

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There is some interesting background on this phenomena located here. SoftwareThing (talk) 16:06, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

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Hi Keith! It's been a year and a day since you stated the following:

• As a prediction, I expect wide agreement will emerge in the next year around Cheshire's take on the VM.

I'm afraid you owe me a bottle of whisky, bro. :) https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2020/02/cracking-the-voynich-manuscript/606592/ Drabkikker (talk) 20:46, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

There are around 1000 people who are following Cheshire's work. (From download counter.) I suspect that's more than the pre-Cheshire Voynich MS community. To quote the article, "For his part, Cheshire remains confident in his work, drawing a distinction between himself and other would-be code crackers: He is right, and they are wrong. “Simple, really,” he says."

Cheshire has translated 7 of the biological pages. Have you read them? Keith Henson (talk) 23:47, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

BTW, "Jillian Foley [author of the article] is a graduate student at the University of Chicago, where she studies the history of cryptography and computer science." Do you consider her to be an authority? Keith Henson (talk) 02:06, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

Just to note, Jilliane Foley on LinkedIn can be found here. SoftwareThing (talk) 15:57, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

Looking at her credentials at least from her LinkedIn, she is not experienced and does not publish in any peer-reviewed journals. She may very well know something of cryptology and computer science however she is not an authority. Reviewing the article, it is written very well and covers all the salient points on the manuscript, yet she does not appear to me to be an authority on the subject or in cryptology or computer sciences. SoftwareThing (talk) 16:01, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

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