User talk:Hippocrates1354

Please don’t bite me, I’m a newbie!

I’m a university student in a Wikipedia Education class, and I’m currently learning how to contribute to Wikipedia.
I am approaching my subject in good faith.

If you have any concerns or questions, my tutor’s name is coconutoil4eva (talk · contribs). Thanks!

Atriplex semibaccata

Hello H1354, congratulations on attempting to improve a stub for WP. First of all some generalized advice: In regards to expanding the article I suggest the following steps: Use the taxonbar links to gain information, summarize the info and then place it in the article using the headings and order of the Wikiproject Plants guidelines. Next have a look at the academic literature using the academic search engines available at your institution, you may also want to check out Google Scholar for others, though beware of predatory journal entries there (see Stop Predatory Journals through Google). There you will find more in-depth info and those interesting facts about what make this plant both unique and part of an ecological community. Good luck, hope you and yours are well. oh, p.s. please include economic botany, ethnobotany, and archaeobotany stuff, why, hey, it's what I'm into, biogeography and evolutionary history are also good.

Now for specifics. In the article as it stands at the moment, you have a long lead para with a description of the plant, then a section on Description. Shift appropriate content to there. Use a generalized description in the lead. Have a look at some other plant articles, e.g. other Atriplex or other Amaranthaceae is a good start, as well as the model articles mentioned in WP Plants. If it has a good reference, e.g. peer-reviewed then those facts are notable to go in the article. But what makes this plant interesting? again good luck. Brunswicknic (talk) 11:16, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi @Brunswicknic:, your response was fantastic and was incorporated throughout the article. The unit of study has not finished yet and I will add an additional 1000 words to this article. Once again, thank you for your insightful tips. Hippocrates1354 (talk)01:46, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

@Brunswicknic: what other recommendations can you suggest for improving this article to achieve a higher class? Thank you Hippocrates1354 (talk) 06:40, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello Hippocrates1354, Nice work so far, but you don't have much about the taxonomy of Atriplex semibaccata (like who? where? and when?). I can do that if you like but the information is in the Australian Plant Name Index (first entry) and the Australian Plant Census is a good reference for the author (R.Br.) in the speciesbox. You could use Goodenia coerulea as a guide. Ping me if you want help. Gderrin (talk) 03:58, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

References

Hi @Gderrin:, thank you for your comment. I plan on making further adjustments to this wikipedia page within 48 hours. Your information was helpful in the development of my additional writing that I added earlier today. Many thanks,Hippocrates1354 (talk) 12:20, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

What I would do, repeat

Hello H1234, apologies, I first posted this on the article talk page, I did not adequately read your message, this is to comply with your request. The lead contains a lot of description that would be best moved to "Description", i.e. " Leaves small, olive to grey-green. Insignificant flowers, in small clusters in leaf axil. Flowers during summer. Fruit is flattened, diamond-shaped, orange to red.[2]"

"Australia's native range is centred on fruiting bracteoles, which includes two forms of A. semibaccata." This sentence is unclear, I think you are trying to say that with the native range in Australia there is differentiation within the species on the basis for fruiting bracteoles. What's a bracteole? WP is an encyclopaedia and we the editors should try to explain thinks simply, sometimes this means explicitly explaining what a bracteole, but we can also cheap and put in a link "Bract#Bracteole|bracteole" bracteole.

I'd stick names in a separate section personally, again the range of this species includes many areas where Aboriginal languages are still very strong, have I advised you to look at ethnobotany, particularly the works co-authored by Glenn Wightman?

In distribution you should give native distribution first and then comment on areas where it has been introduced/naturalized. When you raise uses why not create a use section and discuss them there as well.

Ecology looks good.

Back to lead paragraph: summarize description, native range, introduced range, taxonomy, ecology, and use, then include a "teaser", some weird and wonderful fact about the plant, or how some cute or not so cute animal eats it or how it is (and I'm making this up as an example) it is an important mining rehabilitation plant or something.

Overall it is good piece of work for your beginning of editing, I think you have done well. Good luck with your studies, get vaccinated asap, and please if you wish, contribute more to WP. Brunswicknic (talk) 12:15, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi @Brunswicknic:,thank you for getting back to me. I plan on making further adjustments to this wikipedia page within 48 hours. Your information is informative and helpful for my assignment. I plan on writing an appropriate lead section soon. Once again thank you,Hippocrates1354 (talk) 12:26, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank You

As my university unit comes to an end, I would like to thank everyone [@Gderrin: and@Brunswicknic:] who made recommendations and suggestions to me, so that I could improve the Atriplex semibaccata article. Take care and best regards! Hippocrates1354 (talk) 7:39, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Teamwork Barnstar
	Great work! Fransplace (talk) 14:57, 31 May 2021 (UTC)