User talk:Henni147

Development of Hanyu's page series

@Yolo4A4Lo, ErnestKrause, and Marika yuzu: Now that we plan to brush up Hanyu's main bios page, I've made some brainstorming regarding the possible development of his professional career, and with that the expansion and mainenance of his page series here on Wikipedia. I expect him to produce more shows like Continues with Wings or Prologue over the next years, and with the new membership system on his YouTube channel he will probably upload more content there as well. So the section about his professional career will likely blow up within the next years (no matter how much we try to condense it).

My suggestion for a flexible expansion of his page series is that we create another sub-page about his self-produced shows with the title "Ice shows produced by Yuzuru Hanyu" or something similar. This has the advantage that we can compile summaries of his shows there, even if they have different names, and give each one its own section. If the page blows up in ten years or so, it can be split anytime. I also suggest to create the draft during Prologue, collect all sources and compile the most important infos as long as the memories are fresh. This would relieve the pro-section on his bios page from the beginning.

So his page series would look like this:

• Main biography (to-do list here)
• Olympic seasons (completed, maybe add info about 4A if he lands one but that's it)
• Self-produced ice shows (in the making)
• List of career achievements (mostly completed, only accolade section may further grow)
• List of programs and publications (in the making)

I think, this would cover all important topics and sufficiently unburden his main bios, at least for the next decade. It definitely has the potential to become a really great series, maybe also get promoted to a featured topic.

I will record a spoken version of the Olympic seasons article this week. If you agree with the structure above, I will also set up a draft for the ice show sub-page that can be expanded during Prologue and moved to the mainspace, when the shows in Hachinohe in December are finished. Henni147 (talk) 10:58, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

I think this is a fine plan. I so admire the work what I've come to call "the Hanyu team" has done. It's so impressive; you all should be very proud of yourselves. Even though I'm disillusioned about the FAC process of late, I agree that you should go for a featured topic; see WP:FT. Not only will it help you with your goal of improving articles about Hanyu, it will help you improve your editing skills. As always, let me know how I can assist. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 14:59, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

@Figureskatingfan: Thank you very much for your continuous help and support.

I have looked up the current featured topics in the category sports and recreation, and realized that there is no FT about an individual athlete yet. We have the Quietly Confident Quartet of Australian swimmers, but that's it. There is also only one winter sports-related FT about the 1952 Winter Olympics, nothing else. So bringing Hanyu's page series to FT class would be really special in many ways, and looking at the current assessment status of his pages, this goal is definitely within reach at this point. Henni147 (talk) 15:19, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

@Henni147, I think the structure you proposed is a good one. I agree with your suggestion to create a sub-page on self-produced shows and start collecting information on Prologue. Thanks very much for identifying clearly what work still needs to be done on the other pages. Marika yuzu (talk) 16:11, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

I think this is a solid plan. I think we can go for FT after List of programs and publications and Main article has been finished. I'm planning to contact my acquaintance again on the translation of Hanyu's quote on quads (she was sick so I don't want to rush her) and assess which parts of the old Key events I'd like to include in the main article this weekend/next week. - Yolo4A4Lo (talk) 00:44, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

@Yolo4A4Lo: Sure, there is no need to rush things. I stored all three former key event sections with all required references in my sandbox. Feel free to use the space above the collapsed sections for experimenting if needed. Henni147 (talk) 07:34, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello Henni147, thank you for all your work and happy Pro Yuzuru Anniversary!

If Yuzuru Hanyu's modelling activities are likely to be developed in his Wikipedia series, this Oricon article is the only one where I read the non-official nickname "Bamboo Prince" mentioned (as coined by fans) for the celebrated SEKKISEI Miyabi photo shoot in light green kimono:

https://www.oricon.co.jp/news/2336682/

October 2022

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		That is a nice reading of the newly promoted Hanyu article. You should have the Biography Barnstar. ErnestKrause (talk) 16:33, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you today for the article, done in collaboration, "about the mens ice skating champion Yuzuru Hanyu's Olympic seasons. He has recently retired from competition and completed his career of competing at the Olympics; this article covers his medal winning three appearances at the Olympics."! ... and then I forgot to sign.

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Thank you for quality articles around figure-skating, such as Yuzuru Hanyu Olympic seasons, Fantasy on Ice, List of career achievements by Yuzuru Hanyu, for creating a task force Yuzuru Hanyu, for reviewing and working in collaboration, - Henni, you are an awesome Wikipedian!

You are recipient no. 2781 of Precious, a prize of QAI. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:05, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: Thank you very much. I feel very honored to receive this prize, and I will try my best to keep contributing more quality content in the future. My current focus is on the Yuzuru Hanyu task force, a collaborative effort to expand and improve Hanyu's article series to a featured topic. I also have other planned projects in the scope of figure skating, and I will try to regularly join new FAC reviews as well.

Best wishes Henni147 (talk) 09:17, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

You are welcome, and thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:56, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

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On Yuzuru on Wiki

Hi, Henni. I finally have a free time between job and IRL to message you. I have done a lot of thinking lately. Given how little the time I have for these past months that I unable to update Wikipedia except for the quick updates, how you have established the Yuzuru task force with a number of people in it, and I have other subjects that only have myself as the regular editor and they need real-time updates as well, I think it will be better if I step back from the development of the current Yuzuru articles now. I would only delay the progress for the team given my sporadic free time.

Of course, I will always welcome you and other members of the task force to ping me or to go to my task page if you need some suggestions, opinion to solve dispute, or need a co-nominator or review for GA or FA, etc. and I'll still watch over the articles to prevent vandalism and do quick copy-edits. You have flourished as a Wikipedia editor, and I think you even have wider knowledge on Wikipedia now. It's very wonderful to witness. So, I hope you'll understand.

(My only request is to co-nominate the main article to FA when the time comes if it's okay with you? Thank you) - Yolo4A4Lo (talk) 09:43, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

@Yolo4A4Lo: Thank you very much for your message! First of all, I have full understanding for your situation. Currently, I have a bit more freetime (until new year at least), then I might be more occupied by my job as well. That's the main reason why I set up the task force, so that others can dive into the project and continue the work on Hanyu's series in the case that we no longer have enough time and capacity ourselves. I will try my best to contribute as much as I can this month and prepare the two new sub-articles for the main space.

When Hanyu's main biography is ready for the FAC nomination, we will of course list you as a main author and also ping you about the progress. Your work on the biography was excellent, and we will do our best to realize your visions for its final content and structure. Best wishes Henni147 (talk) 10:11, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

Links to user pages and sandboxes

Please do not introduce links in actual articles to user pages or sandboxes, as you did at Yuzuru Hanyu and Ice shows produced by Yuzuru Hanyu. Since these pages have not been accepted as articles, user pages, sandboxes and drafts are not suitable for linking in articles. and such links are contrary to the Manual of Style. These links have been deleted, please do not re-add any such links, thank you - Arjayay (talk) 22:20, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

@Arjayay: sorry, I forgot to change the link name after the move to the article mainspace. The issue should be fixed now. Henni147 (talk) 22:40, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

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On 4 February 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Ice shows produced by Yuzuru Hanyu, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that with his self-produced solo ice show Gift, two-time Olympic champion Yuzuru Hanyu is expected to become the first ice skater to perform at the Tokyo Dome? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Ice shows produced by Yuzuru Hanyu. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Ice shows produced by Yuzuru Hanyu), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Ice shows FAC

Henni, so sorry about this failed FAC. I'm inclined to state that it's yet another instance of the higher scrutiny fs articles commonly experience, but I think that the reviewers had a point, at least about it needing a copyedit. Anyway, I made these points at its FAC, as you'll see. Had to be said, ya know? Best going forward, let me know how I can help as always. I'm thinking about submitting Robert Jones (artilleryman) to GAC, since he's kind of important in fs history. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 17:50, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

One more thing: you might want to submit this to GAC first; it's not required that articles are promoted to GA before FA, but nominators at FAC value that it's been done. GAC takes horribly long due to its long queue, but it'll give you time to work on it more and get additional feedback. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 18:22, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

@Figureskatingfan: Thank you very much for your supportive comment. I agree with you and also with Wolfson's comments that the ice show article needs more context to work as a stand-alone article, so we plan to add a proper introductory section with important background information. In that sense, I am not sad that this FAC nomination failed. I plan to submit it for a copy-edit and yes, a GA nomination might be smart for this article. We will keep working hard to get it to FA class one day.

I am very happy about your plan to nominate Robert Jones' biography for GA class. He is indeed an important and often overlooked historian in figure skating. If you need feedback, please feel free to ask. I hope to find the time to read it next weekend. Best wishes Henni147 (talk) 16:14, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Awesome! This afternoon, I'm going to do a go-over of the sources and then submit it to GAC, then I'll ping you and others on the FS WikiProject page. It should be pretty easy, although I'm sure the reviewer will have problems with some of the sources, so I'll have to defend them, I'm sure. I don't think Jones' bio is long enough to warrant an FAC, though. Very interesting dude and fun to learn about him and the English royal court in the 18th century. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 21:46, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Yuna Kim

Hi Henni, I finally noticed that you removed the sources I had added to the Detailed results in Yuna's bio. I was asked to add the sources here Talk:Yuna Kim/Archive 1#Potential split and here Talk:Yuna Kim/Archive 1#Potential split (cont.). So I wondered why you did that. At any rate, I've restored the sources. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 16:47, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

@Figureskatingfan: Please refrain from adding ANY inline citations to single table cells. They mess up the table templates regarding display and accessibility. Please only use the designated |ref= parameters to add bundled sources for tables. Nothing else. Other sources should be added to the prose text of the article only. This also goes for the tables on List of highest scores in figure skating. If possible, move inline citations from single table cells to a prose section above the table. Henni147 (talk) 11:02, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Gosh, I wish that you or someone else had brought up this issue before. I've never been very good at handling and managing tables, so could you explain how including inline citations does this? Also, how could we fix them, other than removing the refs? Maybe add another column to the template with the ref parameter? I'm not sure that your suggestion of adding them to the ref parameter would work, since it wouldn't be clear what the source supports. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 16:25, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

@Figureskatingfan: I genuinely don't see the point of sourcing each score in the table one by one, when there is already a bundled source for everything in the table caption. No other skater's detailed results section is doing this. The only useful thing to link is the official ISU competition results pages like we did for Yuzuru Hanyu and Nathan Chen. Sources from newspaper articles should be used in prose parts, but not in statistics tables. Henni147 (talk) 07:27, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Henni, I direct you to the talk pages mentioned above. We thought it would be a good idea to include reliable secondary sources for scores when possible, since the ISU sources are primary. Those involved in the discussion seem agree that this would generally be a good idea for all skater bios. I would think that integrating reliable sources in detailed results sections is something we'd do gradually, as is already being done with the recent changes to tables. I'd like to hear how you think we can accomplish this without removing the sources out of hand. There's no reason why both the ISU sources and secondary sources can be included in both the tables and the prose sections. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 17:14, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

@Figureskatingfan: I have three strong reasons not to include newspaper sources in data tables:

1. You either source all scores one by one or none. It looks grossly odd if only some scores in the table have an inline citation and others not. And you will not find newspaper articles for all scores in the table, especially for lower-ranked skaters.
2. Referencing all scores one-by-one exponentially blows up the reference section and leads to (a) ref template overload and (b) too large article sizes.
3. Like I mentioned before, it messes up the accessibility of the table templates, so the articles may not pass FAC reviews.

I have checked multiple sports articles in other sports like snooker, which have many FA and GA articles. None of the result tables use newspaper sources for each placement or score. I don't see why figure skating should do so. Sorry but I have to oppose this suggestion.

Addition: The main purpose of secondary sources is to show the encyclopedic notability of an information in general, in this case the notability of scores achieved at international skating competitions and national championships. You do this in the career summary of the article's prose part. For the statistics tables, what is important is to have a bundled source that lists ALL relevant scores for the skater, so that readers can check if the list is (a) complete and (b) correct or not. Scores are unshakable facts; they don't become more true just because they are mentioned by the New York Times or the Guardian.

The only case where a newspaper source might be important is if a skater has been retrospectively disqualified because of a positive doping test or something similar. This is an information that you may not get from the ISU database. Henni147 (talk) 17:59, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Henni, I have responses to all three of your objections, but I suggest that we take this to WikiProject Figure Skating for discussion. I don't think that we need to take it to a vote, since consensus feels like the best choice. Let me know and I'll go ahead and bring this over there. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 16:08, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

@Figureskatingfan: Yes, I agree that this issue should be discussed on the project page, so that everyone can contribute and is informed about the latest decisions. Thank you very much for your suggestion :)

Note: I am currently busy with the new article of Satomi Ito, so I may not be able to respond immediately today, but I hope to join the talk tomorrow. Henni147 (talk) 16:47, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

Very good. I'm busy too, working on Kim's bio and I wanna watch Skate Canada this afternoon. ;) Good work with Ito's bio; I'm putting her on my watchlist. I'll start the discussion tomorrow or Monday. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 16:58, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

@Figureskatingfan: Perfect, thank you very much! Also very big thumbs up for your work on Yuna's bio. You are doing a fantastic job.

When I'm finished with Ito's page, I will try to complete the revamp of Hanyu's main bios (finally) and update his ice show sub-page with the new RE_PRAY solo show, which will be held in Saitama next week. Parallel, I'm working on a new article about professional figure skating (history of pro competitions and ice shows). I think, it's long overdue that we have a proper article on that topic, and I found many fantastic sources.

Wish you a great time with watching Skate Canada :) If time allows it, I will take a look at the competition, too. Henni147 (talk) 17:12, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the kind words; I've always respected how much work you've done for Hanyu. I'm trying to juggle the skating articles and bios with the Women in Religion group mentioned below. We have a conference next month in San Antonio for an editathon and to hopefully promote the book we've produced. Plus, there's a bio for a women in religion I want to create. There's so much to do! ;) Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 17:37, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

Different request

Hi again Henni, now for something completely different. ;) I'm helping a fellow editor with a draft (Draft:Ulrike E. Auga), through the other WikiProject I'm involved in, WikiProject Women in Religion. Auga is a German academic; I thought that since you know and move about in German WP, that you might be a good resource for assistance. There are all kinds of problems with this draft. It was created by a relatively inexperienced editor, who got it translated from German WP. My biggest concern is that the subject is probably not notable enough for English WP and since I don't know German, I'm unable to evaluate the sources or find other sources that would support her notability. If you're not able to assist, I understand; you're pretty busy. Thanks, Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 17:12, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

@Figureskatingfan: Yes, I'm quite busy atm, but I can take a quick look at the page and give a feedback on the used sources. Henni147 (talk) 17:14, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks so very much! Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 17:32, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

@Figureskatingfan: Yes, it's true that the cited sources on the draft page are almost exceptionally primary sources. The few secondary sources either don't mention Auga at all like Britannica or only marginally. My main issue with the article is what you said as well: lack of encyclopedic notability. The lead mentions many things about Auga's studies and what influenced her in evolving as a professor. But there is little to no information about how her own works have notably influenced science and society, which is the crucial part of a Wikipedia biography. Personal life shouldn't cover more than a section at best, but it must not make up the majority of the lead section. I haven't checked the German article yet, but I can do that tomorrow if needed. Henni147 (talk) 17:49, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

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@SunDawn: Thank you very much for your kind comment! The article is still in the making, but our team is trying their best to brush up its quality to GA class soon (hopefully FA too). Best wishes Henni147 (talk) 14:39, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Evgenia Medvedeva

The flagicon for OAR (Olympic Athletes from Russia) does not render on Evgenia Medvedeva's medal template. Please advise, and thank you as always for all you do! Bgsu98 (Talk) 16:43, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

@Bgsu98: Hi! You may try the country code "IOC". That should at least give the right flag. I will try to figure out how to get the mouseover text changed to "Olympic Athlete from Russia".

UPDATE: I created a new template for the code "OAR". That should resolve our issue ;)

Note: {{OAR}} renders as  Olympic Athletes from Russia and {{OAR|short=yes}} renders as  OAR

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Meryl Davis and Charlie White

I am updating this article with the Figure skating detailed results template. Look at the 2007-08 season: would small medals have been awarded for the CD as well as the OD and FD? Bgsu98 (Talk) 14:52, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

This is a very good question. I will look it up tomorrow Henni147 (talk) 20:13, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

@Bgsu98: Hi!

Sorry, it took a bit longer than expected to find something about small medals. I managed to dig out this article from 2009, which states:

"We got our small medals (for being first coming into the free dance) and now we want to fight for the big ones."

I guess from this wording that there were no separate small medals for the compulsory and original dance but only a bundled one for both segments. But I will try to find official confirmation. Henni147 (talk) 06:05, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

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Oh, thank you so much for this! Henni147 (talk) 06:00, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Yuna Kim A-class assessment

Hey Henni, would you mind assessing this bio? I'd appreciate it if you did, here's the link: Wikipedia:WikiProject Figure Skating/Assessment/Yuna Kim. Best, Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 17:39, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

@Figureskatingfan: Yes, I would be happy to do that! I am a bit busy this week because my dad has surgery on Friday. But I hope to be able to tackle it on Sunday/Monday if that's fine for you. Best wishes Henni147 (talk) 05:59, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Of course! Best wishes to you, too, and for your father's health. Sending positive thoughts that the surgery is a success. I appreciate the assistance, as always. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 16:17, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your kind wishes. I also hope that everything goes smoothly. Henni147 (talk) 18:10, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi Henni, I was a little worried for you for a while, 'cause you disappeared for a bit. Plus, there was your dad's surgery. Hope it went well and that he and your family are recovering. Since you're back, would you mind finishing your review of Kim's article? Thanks and best, Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 16:16, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Third Reviewer for Yuna Kim A-Class

Hi Henni,

Do you have any idea for who could be the third reviewer? Editor120918756 (talk) 09:46, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Error at Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Figure skating terminology

Hi. The last edit you made to Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Figure skating terminology, on 23 May, caused this error to appear in the footnotes: "Cite error: The named reference "TES & PCS" was defined multiple times with different content". Are you able to correct that please. Thanks. Nurg (talk) 05:47, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

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