User talk:HelsKRW
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[edit]I'm concerned about your recent edits adding oral history links. Now I am a BIG supporter of getting woman on Wikipedia, but the new additions use external links in the body of the text. Lots of people would like to add external links (to their web site) which is why it is strongly discouraged. Your text also emphasies your employer and all the information that would be all in a well written reference where your employers name would be very relevant. The LSE and women's library are a shout out first class source of information about suffragettes (Woohoo!). Ive probably added 100s of refs to their work. The oral histories are very useful and very relevant but they are not a first class source of information (according to wiki). Can I suggest that you review your approach. You could use an external references section or tone down the mention by using a reference that would explain how readers could find out more. Roger aka Victuallers (talk) 18:42, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
- Hi Roger Victuallers, thanks for your message. As you’ll hopefully have seen from my talk page I’m relatively new to Wikipedia, was careful to declare my employer, and am keen both to learn and to do the right thing, so I’m very grateful to you for getting in touch.
- The Wikipedia edits have come out of this project I’m working on https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_LSESuffrageInterviewsProject to make the metadata for the suffrage interviews more widely available, more structured, more open to queries and hopefully more useful to researchers. I undertook the Wikipedia edits in the same spirit, thinking that mentions of the oral histories would be useful to those exploring individuals or topics, and that the links and references helped in providing easy access. My apologies that I’ve made some mistakes in how I’ve approached this.
- If I’ve understood correctly there are 2 concerns with my edits – firstly the external link in the main text, which I can certainly remove, and secondly the mention of my employer in the text, which again I can remove. That would make my references follow this template:
- Brian Harrison recorded x/an oral history interview/s with name as part of the Suffrage Interviews project, titled Oral evidence on the suffragette and suffragist movements: the Brian Harrison interviews. The collection also contains an interview with – mention any related interviews.
- The cited reference would remain as is.
- I'll begin making those edits so that the mistakes are removed asap, but do please let me know if this isn't a suitable way to proceed.
- I had been planning to contact Women In Red in January (just about to have 2 weeks off over Christmas) related to our Suffrage Interviews Wikidata project – would you be the right person to make contact with about that?
- Best wishes, Helen HelsKRW (talk) 09:30, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
- Update to say I've removed the external links and employer references as a matter of urgency. The interview mentions now look as if they could be made more useful by providing some further contextual information - but it is likely to be January before I can return to this in detail. HelsKRW (talk) 10:15, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
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[edit]Hi there, HelsKRW, and welcome to Women in Red. It's really useful to have an LSE librarian interested in women's voting rights as a member of the project. I see you have been spending virtually all your editing time on modifying articles drawing on the LSE oral interviews. While removing bare hyperlinks and including them in references is a step in the right direction, as an LSE employee I'm not too sure you should be spending so much time on them yourself. While I am not suggesting you should make any further changes to the articles themselves, I think it might have been better to draw the attention of other contributors to the usefulness of the interviews and a more suitable way of sourcing them. You will find more guidance on such matters in our essays, perhaps starting with the Primer. I see you have successfully created an interesting article on SHAPE but with your experience and sources you might now like to begin working on creating biographies. Throughout 2024, we have a focus on education (see below). There must be women associated with LSE who deserve to be covered. Please let me know if you run into any difficulties or need assistance. Happy editing!--Ipigott (talk) 10:20, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
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- Hi @Ipigott Thank you for taking the time to message with some guidance and provide some links. I have a list of 30 – 40 names that have come to my awareness as a result of the Wikidata work I’ve been doing with the suffrage interviews (a number of these are now pulling through to the WiR missing articles Wikidata suffragist list) and was keen to explore whether these names would merit a Wikipedia page.
- From what I’ve read in the links you’ve shared it looks as if my first step is to see what reliable secondary sources exist for these women, to determine notability criteria – I will begin exploring that.
- It may take some time around other work, but if I can determine that a number of the names meet notability requirements then I was wondering if WiR offered any opportunities for myself and a few colleagues to explore the option of learning from a more experienced WiR editor through a small Library-based editathon?
- I’m very conscious that I'm at the early stages of learning myself, but perhaps another route would be for me to share the WiR guidance with interested colleagues, in order for us to try drafting some Wikipedia pages, before asking for some feedback from a WiR editor so that we could learn together in a safe environment?
- HelsKRW (talk) 12:23, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for your detailed reply. You are right in thinking the basis of an acceptable biography is coverage in at least three independent reliable sources. With or without an editathon, I would be happy to help you and your colleagues to create biographies. You might also find it helpful to look through this guide to writing biographies. If you want to arrange an editathon, you could always contact Wikimedia UK for assistance. I would nevertheless suggest you first have a go at creating a biography yourself. It's really not that difficult. Why not start a draft in your user space as User:HelsKRW/name of article. You can let me know if you run into any difficulties or simply alert me when you think it would be useful for me to provide some feedback. Happy editing!--Ipigott (talk) 14:50, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for your helpful reply. Juggling around a lot of other work at the moment, but intending to return to this... HelsKRW (talk) 08:03, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for your detailed reply. You are right in thinking the basis of an acceptable biography is coverage in at least three independent reliable sources. With or without an editathon, I would be happy to help you and your colleagues to create biographies. You might also find it helpful to look through this guide to writing biographies. If you want to arrange an editathon, you could always contact Wikimedia UK for assistance. I would nevertheless suggest you first have a go at creating a biography yourself. It's really not that difficult. Why not start a draft in your user space as User:HelsKRW/name of article. You can let me know if you run into any difficulties or simply alert me when you think it would be useful for me to provide some feedback. Happy editing!--Ipigott (talk) 14:50, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
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