User talk:Heaven As Earth

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Speedy deletion nomination of Draft:TheGx Forum

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A tag has been placed on Draft:TheGx Forum, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, group, product, service, person, or point of view and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. Please read the guidelines on spam and Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations for more information.

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What parts of my page were unacceptable in your opinion…? I’d like to redo the page so that it is less objectionable… Heaven As Earth (talk) 19:22, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I'm Deb. I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions have been undone because they appeared to be promotional. Advertising and using Wikipedia as a "soapbox" are against Wikipedia policy and not permitted; Wikipedia articles should be written objectively, using independent sources, and from a neutral perspective. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about Wikipedia. Thank you.Deb (talk) 17:08, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Deb, I’ll redo it the page to make it more neutral, can you specify what part of the page was not neutral enough? Heaven As Earth (talk) 17:28, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Deb can I retrieve the deleted material for my own personal future referencing and improvements? I spent a significant amount of effort working on it… Heaven As Earth (talk) 17:38, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please see WP:UDP, though Deb, as deleting admin, is well able to guide you and is very experienced. They may not have seen your plea for help, so I have pinged them. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 19:58, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ok thank you. Heaven As Earth (talk) 07:46, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to Wikipedia: check out the Teahouse!

Hello! Heaven As Earth, you are invited to the Teahouse, a forum on Wikipedia for new editors to ask questions about editing Wikipedia, and get support from peers and experienced editors. Please join us! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:18, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Heaven As Earth,

If you have questions about draft creation, editing on Wikipedia or its policies, I encourage you to bring them to the Teahouse. Good luck! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:19, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ok I’ll have a look thank you🙂 Heaven As Earth (talk) 19:19, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

COI

You declared a COI, what is the nature of it? 331dot (talk) 20:50, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes I am the owner of the website I wrote the article about. Heaven As Earth (talk) 07:47, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If you derive income from your ownership of the website, you should declare as a paid editor, which is a Terms of Use requirement. 331dot (talk) 10:10, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I can see your deleted draft, it was unambiguously promotional. Wikipedia is not a place to merely document the existence of a company and what it does. A Wikipedia article about a company must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the company, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable company. "Significant coverage" goes beyond merely telling about the activities of the company and goes into detail about its significance or influence as the source sees it, not as the company sees it. Press releases, interviews, announcements of routine business activities, and other materials from the company do not establish notability. 331dot (talk) 20:54, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ok…but I see own deleted draft again for my own future reference? I understand what you’re saying about being a notable company…but does that mean all the unnotable companies have to keep waiting for others to write about them? Can’t unnoticed companies like myself have a neutral wikipage explaining what their company is? Heaven As Earth (talk) 07:52, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Basically, yes it does. No, we don't offer free advertising to non-notable companies, charities or anyone else - we don't advertise anything, ever. And no, I won't restore the draft because that would mean that advertising content was on Wikipedia and that is contrary to our purpose. Deb (talk) 09:27, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

As Deb said very well. We don't have "wikipages". We have articles. This is a subtle but important distinction. The vast majority of companies do not merit articles, and will never merit articles. Would you expect to read about your company, as it is now, in an encyclopedia 100 years from now? If you want to explain what your company is and what it does, that's what social media like Facebook is for. There are also possibly other wiki type websites or other forums with less stringent requirements where you are permitted to just document the existence of your website or company. 331dot (talk) 10:08, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Actually I would expect to see something in Wikipedia about my unnotable company 100 years from now like you said because I expected Wikipedia to have an article about everything not just the notable stuff…many times I’ve tried to look something up on Wikipedia and was disappointed when there no article yet because I thought Wikipedia should have an article on everything…never thought it was for just the notable stuff…oh well that’s disappointing to find out…this policy really is too stringent because companies willing to spend money can just fabricate all the notability needed to have articles here just by paying others to write… Heaven As Earth (talk) 11:23, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Just for your information - no, they can't. Paid editors need to be very skilful indeed to avoid detection. If they are detected without having declared an interest, they are blocked. I do several such blocks every day, because there are a lot of would-be spammers out there, and most of them are pretty clueless. Deb (talk) 19:54, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No, we don't have an article about "everything". There isn't one about me, or you, or my corner store. There are likely projects out there with less stringent requirements, I know for people there is an "everybody wiki". 331dot (talk) 22:35, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That really is too bad since the word wiki is synonymous with the “everything”…that somebody chose “everyone wiki” knowing people would automatically associate “wiki” with having everything in it… Heaven As Earth (talk) 12:10, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The "pedia" part of the word is a bit of a giveaway. We only include things you'd expect to see in an encyclopedia. See also Wikipedia:About and Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not. Deb (talk) 16:39, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Is there any way for me to get a copy without others being able to see like through email etc? Heaven As Earth (talk) 11:16, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I would email it to you if you agree to abandon efforts to edit about your website/company. You will need to add an email address to your account preferences and enable the "allow others to email me" function. This does not reveal your email address unless you reply to emails from Wikipedia(do not post your email publicly). 331dot (talk) 11:21, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ok thank you I’ve already abandoned creating articles and I won’t repost it. Heaven As Earth (talk) 11:25, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I confirmed my email now… Heaven As Earth (talk) 11:31, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I received the email thank you, Heaven As Earth (talk) 11:46, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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