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FalkirksTalk 23:19, 13 June 2013 (UTC)Your submission at Articles for creation
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Hi Heather
[edit]Welcome to Wikipedia. I felt I should say hello and give you some small guidance. You user page has information that might lead editors to perceive you page as to promotional an/or possibly to "social networking" like. It is suggested that perhaps you should emphasize you contributions and improvements to Wikipedia and still mention your real life stuff if you are comfortable with it.--Amadscientist (talk) 20:30, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
- Thank you, I have taken your advice! Or rather I'd like to thank you, but I'm not sure how to do it. Perhaps this will work.HeatherBlackHeatherBlack (talk) 20:57, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
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""I made some additional comments and moved the article into mainspace as France Jodoin. DGG ( talk ) 00:55, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
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DGG ( talk ) 00:56, 2 August 2013 (UTC)Your submission at AfC Ingo Hessel was accepted
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DGG ( talk ) 00:58, 2 August 2013 (UTC)Some advice
[edit]I'm an administrator who does a lot of work here with similar articles, and I have some suggestions:
- Do not use a Who's who to substantiate even routine material if you can find anything better. If possible, the person's official web page at an institution is best for routine facts.
- Try to provide the basic bio information of Date and place of birth, what high school and college and art school they went to, when they graduated and with what degree, and with what notable people they may have studied. (They can then be added as notable alumni to the articles on those institutions, but don;t do it until the article is established. )
- The basic criterion for visual artists is having work in the permanent collection of a major museum, and this is best documented by the museum's publications. It is also sufficient to have several substantial reviews or discussions of the work from 3rd party independent published reliable sources, print or online, but not blogs or press releases, or material derived from press releases, or gallery publications. Local newspapers are not considered reliable for establishing notability, though they can be used as supplements. It is considered unacceptable to ever use one's own articles as references, and in your particular case, I would try to avoid using anything from your own newspaper. The only way to get one's work used as a reference is to suggest it as a reference on the talk p., and let other people decide whether to add it. I've done it that way myself for published articles I've written.
- To describe an artist's style, try to use a sourced statement from a review. If not available, use a published statement by the artist, saying something like "She describes her work as .... " Do not leave any such statement unsourced, or rely on the write up in a gallery show. (write-ups in even museum exhibitions are sometimes derived from what the artist says; if they are actually signed by a curator, that's great, and the curator should be given as an author)
- Avoid any adjectives of importance. The description of the art and the references to the reviews & museums will establish that.
- The articles on galleries are a more difficult matter. It is often judged here that a list of notable artists does not make a gallery notable in the Wikipedia sense. What's needed for these are very strong references about the importance not just of individual artists or individual shows, but the gallery.
I'm always available to answer questions, on my talk p. or by email. Elsewhere on WP, I will unfortunately probably not see them. DGG ( talk ) 03:43, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
additional: For France Jordain , all that is necessary is to add references for the paintings in museums. (And you might use longer paragraphs, while you're at it) Then let me know. DGG ( talk ) 20:54, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
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Nomination of Jennifer Hornyak for deletion
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Thanks David, I will look into this and see if I can make improvements.HeatherBlack (talk) 13:06, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
'Glad Jennifer Hornyak survived AfD
[edit]Hi again. I wrote several responses to the fellow editor's last response in the AfD, but decided to not post any of them, as sometimes pursuing an argument is the bad choice. Anyway, I'm posting my last draft response here on your talk page. Please feel free to delete it. I know it's long. The one thing that keeps sticking in my mind when I think of the IMO GROSS systemic bias in WP is the notability standard for musicians, Wikipedia:Notability (music)#Criteria for musicians and ensembles. We're talking like one song on the country's music charts; it c/b a country of 1.2 billion people or 300,000 people. IMO, one could analogize to art and argue that standard isn't or shouldn't be all that high. Still, I would recommend trying to beef this up as much as possible.
My last contribution that never made it to the AfD as I thought it would not be helpful there:
I think to some extent it comes down to individual Wikipedians' personal philosophy and vision for what Wikipedia is or should be.
Firstly, WP:Single purpose is NOT Wikipedia policy but merely some editor(')s(') opinion. (Does s.o. have any knowledge or evidence that this author is "edit[ing] for the purposes of promotion or showcasing [her] favored causes" rather "a well-intentioned [editor] with a niche interest," something apparently blessed by the essay writer(s).) And I see no violation of actual policy cited that based on the info at hand can be laid at this author's feet. Adding sourced well-written articles about nationally recognized Canadian artists as far as I can tell is not impermissible advocacy. In fact it helps counter the IMO deep and disturbing systemic cultural bias along national lines (also, granted not WP policy) that pervades English Wikipedia. Unless there is some evidence that this author is promoting Canadian artists in a way that personally benefits her (for example, if she owns a local gallery that sells primarily one or more of the artists she's writing on), there doesn't seem to be any basis for an assumption or belief in her having a conflict of interest.
From what I can tell, this author is an articulate, well-organized writer who carefully sources her articles. She's taken a lot of time to expand Wikipedia in the area she has chosen. She deserves the community's support for her efforts to expand the project, NOT THIS.
We (Stalwart and I) agree there's a problem with this article--rel establishing or clarifying notability. As mentioned above, IMO the AFD is premature. And the author should not be under the gun to "fix" her article in a week OR ELSE. She should have been given constructive input on the talk page and cite tags should have been added and then allowed to season a suitable time before an AfD was considered. As I noted above, there were sufficient facts stated in the article--i.e., exhibits at major Canadian venues to at least ask for clarification on those. The local gallery stuff is not logically evidence of non-notability; it's just a red herring.
Best, Paavo273 (talk) 04:14, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
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[edit]I found https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:HeatherBlack/Consignor_Canadian_Fine_Art Any reason this can't go to mainspace? Legacypac (talk) 23:20, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the reminder. I had it almost done when there was talk of merging with another firm, so I left it and then completely forgot about it. Will double check and update info on the weekend. Cheers HeatherBlack (talk) 22:44, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
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[edit]Hi, thanks for changing the references. Have removed the tag. All the article needs now is an image or two if possible, thanks Atlantic306 (talk) 23:57, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
Thank you! I'll try to get images. HeatherBlack (talk) 00:22, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
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