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WWE Fantasy

The clue is in the name "Fantasy" just cus a move is listed there as a finisher doesnt make it so. we live in a little place called reality when they use a said move to finish a match it becomes a finisher --- Paulley]

lol i wouldnt worry about him, some of the ppl he is complaining to are the Wiki wrestling authorities.... and as for the fantasy thing i know it is a WWE thing but until moves are actually used as finishers (in real matches) they shouldnt/will not be bolded --- Paulley

WWE:Diva injuries

When placing these items, please date them. Otherwise there is no way of knowing if this is a tally of months missed so far, or if it's what a doctor or announcer has said will probably be the length of time they will be out for.. Lsjzl 03:36, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Reverts

Would you care to justify your reversion of my edits here? I do not appreciate having my work arbitrarily reverted to a version ridden with errors. Furthermore, your comments in edit summaries - "This is it, keep it that way", "As far as I am concerned" - are needlessly provocative; I think you would benefit from reading Wikipedia:Ownership of articles. Thank you. McPhail 16:14, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Sign your posts

Start signing your posts so it's easier for people to know who you are instead of them having to go into the history. It's not that hard, all you have to do is put ~~~~ at the end of your posts on talk pages, and it'll show up like this---> Bsroiaadn 21:44, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Plagiarism

Much of the information you added to the Personal Life section in the Sherri Martel section is word-for-word from http://www.wrestlingepicenter.com/shows/SherriMartel/

Adding information is great, but it needs to be rewritten into different words and cited. GaryColemanFan 19:45, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

WWE roster

The current wording of why the superstars are inactive is unclear, and there is no evidence that they have been suspended like you said. WWE nor any media has stated the names who were officially suspended and it is not your place to speculate. Please refran from making comments that could potentially in violation of WP:BLP against these individuals. — Moe ε 07:47, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

MOS on fiction.

I just want to point you towards MOS on Fiction. Your recent contributions on SC articles have been very useful, but can you be just familiarise yourself with this so you get it in the right style: namely, events in the fictional universe should be written about in the present tense, not the past. Also, please refrain from copying text from sources, as was done for a number of sections in the minor characters article. Thanks. -- Sabre 08:51, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Your recent edits

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Three revert rule and revert wars

I'm following up a report on the three revert rule report board about the editing on Stacy Carter. Your editing broke the three revert rule by undoing changes by other edits more than three times during a 24-hour period. I have decided not to block you from editing because the report was made a day after the edit dispute and you did stop after another editor contacted you, but please be aware that blocks can and do follow three revert rule violations.

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F*** you Aladdin Zane/Rogue Gremlin/whatever

You bloody sock-puppeting hypocrite and big time wikipedia playground bully. :) Here's my little memorial for you.

User:Haleth 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Your edits made on November 30, 2007 (UTC) to Eve Torres

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did to Eve Torres. Your edits appear to constitute vandalism and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. 141.156.234.101 (talk) 10:13, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Tofu skin

Category:Tofu is already a subcategory of Category:Chinese cuisine, so that one isn't needed at Tofu skin. Badagnani (talk) 05:32, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I rethought that. Category:Tofu includes tofu dishes from non-Chinese cultures, so it's probably a good idea to keep the Category:Chinese cuisine category. Badagnani (talk) 05:33, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Krissy Vaine

I saw it on a wrestling website long time ago....I don't remember but she is retired

Daizee Haze and TNA

Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. We don't know if that was her only appearance. You are not a source so you are not qualified to make judgments on her status. You only have an opinion. She appeared on television, was named by TNA, and wrestled in their ring. So it's best just to leave her as an active part of the roster until there is a verifiable source that states she is done with TNA. If you have any questions on this matter please use the talk page. Otherwise please refrain from making future edits. Thank you. Sid122 talk 19:46, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't think you understand. Wikipedia is not a crystal ball means you can't see into the future and determine her future with the company. The average fan siting at home knows nothing of whether or not this person is contracted with the company. You are speculating on something you don't know about. To anyone's eyes, someone named Daisy Haze justed wrestled on TNA and it was on television. This is far different than when WWE brought in a SHIMMER wrestler to play Hilary Clinton. Daizee Haze is neither contracted to TNA or ROH. She is an independent contractor. The verifiable source is anyone who watched Impact on Thursday. Her appearance on Spike TV was enough of a source. Her contract status is irrelevant and not important.

If any other objecting editor has a problem then they may take it up with me on my talk page. I have no problem going to arbitration. But right now it just looks like you. Sid122 talk 21:43, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

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List of WWE employees

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Edit summaries

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Please do not add content without citing sources

Please do not add unsourced or original content, as you did to Koreans in Malaysia. Doing so violates Wikipedia's verifiability policy and the content is removed. If you continue to do so, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. cab (talk) 06:19, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Malaysian cuisine

Hello! Reference to the image of the western variation of a Malay dish, it is relevant to the article for two reasons:

1. Malaysian food itself is a "portmanteau of food" from the surrounding cultures and its own.
2. As Malay people came to the US, they continued the tradition of incorporating other cultures' styles into their own. The image shows the result of such incorporation and is a natural evolution of the cuisine.

As the dish does not represent traditional Malay food, it should be characterized as such. If you feel that strongly about the subject, the image can stay gone. However, in the future it is advisable not to remove, then re-remove content (unless it is a clear violation of WP policy). The best course of action is to first assume good faith and bring the issue to the opposing editor's talk page or the article's talk page. If the issue can not be resolved there, a non-involved administrator would be happy to resolve the dispute. If you have any questions about anything, please feel free to contact me on my talk page. Cheers!--It's me...Sallicio!^{$\color {Red}\oplus$} 17:58, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

National dish article

Apologies for my improper edit summary remark. I don't have to tell you that this article is mostly (if not in whole) based on wp:OR and therefore hard to keep somehow reliable and true without purging 90 percent of it. BTW, I'm surely not your enemy and far from starting an edit war over this (article). You say you're on this (article) for quite some time? So I'm wondering if you could add some sources as this article up to date still lacks of citations (and so it's basically just about opinions). Although I just try to keep silliness and more unsourced additions out of it (or reverse "blanking" of potential legitimate entries) and have no intention to spend too much of my time on this, I might be willing to search for citations within the next few weeks. One thing is crucial thou: As we should first determine and agree on what should be covered under "national dish" in regards of each country's history; and if we want to include more recent additions. That is what makes it so difficult to have a list without further explanation. A good example for my point would be Chicken Tikka Masala as an English/Britain national dish. Furthermore, you purged doner kebab in the German section (which I did too in my edit) but also Spätzle and Knödel which are as common as the bun that goes with a burger at least in southern Germany and in part of eastern Germany in regards to "Knödel". Should we include "curry wurst" but exclude Spätzle even so the first is a more recent dish (snack or "fast food" to be precise)? It's just not as clean-cut as it might seem.The Magnificent Clean-keeper (talk) 22:05, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Well, since you didn't respond yet I assume you're off-line for maybe another week or two and therefore I will change at least the German entry back. Give me a line when you're back. Looking forward to work this out with you for the good of the article. Thanks, The Magnificent Clean-keeper (talk) 21:41, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

World Languages

See world languages:talk. You need to reliably source a link between 'UN language' and 'world language'. Until then this is original research and not permissable for inclusion in the article and as justification for defining languages as world languages.Utopial (talk) 02:05, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. By big language I mean most number of speakers, which there is a page for and which has nothing to do with being a world language.

Take a world language such as french or portuguese and you will find official international associations entirely founded due to linguistic connection (CPLP, CPLP Games, Lusophony Games, flag of CPLP, TV CPLP, PALOP, FETCCP, International Lusophone Markets Business Association (ACIML), etc). Languages such as bengali, japanese, hindustani and mandarin lack these organisations because these languages are spoken by the same broad ethnic group and within 1 region of adjacent nations. There is no world connection based on these languages. With no world connection, how can a language be a world language?

Given that over 90% of the PRC is Han Chinese and there r other languages spoken there, this would suggest that very close to 100% of mandarin speakers in those countries are Han Chinese, and the remainder are very closely ethnically related (just like for bengali). There are various 'ethnicities' in Japan as well. Ethnicity can be measured at various levels, like languages and dialects are grouped into families at various levels. The ethnicities of Japanese, Bengali and Mandarin speakers are so close and related that it has to be said that they are all defined on ethnic lines - literally, u can define the ethnicity of one of those language speakers as either of 1 ethnicity or a very closely related ethnicity. There is no such possible definition with English, where there are huge & arbitrary disconnections in the ethnicities of speakers, not just smooth transitions to closely related ethnicities like Scotts & Celts. So those mentioned languages fail the criteria for not being defined based on ethnic lines.

Aside from there being no link established through reliable sourcing, personally I don't see any link between what you posted about the UN languages and categorisation as a world language. The UN languages are the languages of the permanent security members + arabic & spanish to cover off the majority of the rest of the world. Indians officially speak English, Portuguese speakers understand Spanish (and/or dont number enough) and the other languages are too small. The languages are used to ensure that as many people as possible can read the UN materials. Status as a UN language appears to depend more on (1) economic/military/political power to become a permanent member (2) or number of speakers who can't understand the existing languages. Not world language criteria.

Linguistic 'prestige' is subjective.Utopial (talk) 15:06, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

See Talk:World_language#Other_super-regional_languages. Our discussions are silly, endless and pointless. Let's allow the experts to decide via sources.Utopial (talk) 05:47, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Sources gathered and compiled: Talk:World_language#Sources Utopial (talk) 10:49, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Edit summaries

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Zeratul

Hello, one of your edits to the article Zeratul introduced a ref named "TerCamp" without including a source. (Several of your edits there introduced refnames without sources, but I located the others in the article Characters of StarCraft). Would you please revisit the article and add in the reference you intended? Thanks. - Salamurai (talk) 22:57, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Berbere

Greetings, you added nigella seeds as an ingredient in berbere. Perhaps it is an ingredient, but it wasn't mentioned in either of the cited sources. Can you point to a source that mentions its inclusion? Thanks, -- Gyrofrog (talk) 15:12, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

P.S. See also: Talk:Berbere#Ingredients. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 15:13, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

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challenge

Here is a challenge. If you really do believe they are archenemies. Why don't you put it on the Wikipedia page of that villain article (which never claims such). Maybe if you put it there people will actually believe the ridiculous claim that they are archenemies. After all Wikipedia articles really should be consistent with each other. If one article stated such then the other article really should back it up. Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 15:36, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Seriously go on the Joker (comics) page and state that he is "one of the archenemies" and go to the Ra's Al Ghul article and state the same thing. I ain't going to revert you. After all you are going to use you're "reliable sources" aren't you. I will give you a cookie if you do it man. Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 15:43, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

I could, but then...it sounds rather childish to me, don't you think? There are plenty of other wiki character pages, where the term "archenemy" and "nemesis" or whatever is tossed around (see for instance, the Atom villain Chronos) and there are no sources whatsoever to back them up. Why don't you go and remove them, since you're passionate about making sure information of dubious quality and reliability get off wikipedia pages?

FYI, I added the IGN entry about Dark Phoenix being ranked as a top 10 comic book villain on the Jean Grey page complete with the citation months ago, and so far no one has bothered to remove or reverse it. I was also the one who added the link to the same IGN villains page for Ra's al Ghul. Mind you, Jean or at least one of her personas being branded a "villain" is an unpopular sentiment. Maybe because people like the fact that I actually cite what I write? Haleth (talk) 16:22, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Oh, actually I don't need to. Have a closer look at Ra's page. It says there he is "one of Batman's greatest enemies", without a citation. Sounds or more less like what an archenemy's role ought to be. :) Haleth (talk) 16:29, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Greatest enemies is not archenemy. Riddler is one of Batman's greatest enemies too. We are getting nowhere with that statement. Totally different. Also who cares about IGN's top 100 villains. That has nothing to do with archenemy. Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷

The Chromos statement should probably be removed. It was just a suggestion.I just feel that we could invite more opinions on pages like that because let's face it the archenemy article is not active compared to the fictional character articles and I really want to hear more opinions on other editors that know the source material. Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 17:10, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Who cares? So why bother differentiating between reliable sources then? Do you believe that the prevalent PoV out there that Joker or Luthor are objectively considered "quality" villains, because people are taking at face value that they are the franchise protagonist's archenemy because the publishing company promote them as such? Marvel tried that with Romulus after killing off Sabretooth and it appeared to have failed spectacularly. Someone's archenemy is always counted among their "greatest enemies", but you're right, a "greatest enemy" list is not quite the same as an archenemy list. I could re-word it as one of Batman's archenemies, but I can assure you that no one would bat an eyelid, and it's all just semantics in the end. Remember, even that claim is left unsourced, which means most readers appear to take it for granted that Ra's al Ghul needs no further validation when it comes to his status in the Batman IP.

My point remains, that some characters and their enduring popularity means that they will inevitably have a large supporting cast and an extensive rogues gallery. And out of that extensive gallery, there will be at least one character that stand out in terms of being a memorable and compelling antagonist, thanks to the accumulation of critically and popularly acclaimed stories and characterization by the writer (along with a healthy dose of nostalgia and hindsight). That is what makes them arrive to this point, this archenemy "pedestal" for a lack of better word. If blog posts by people who appear to know their stuff are not good enough, then you can't ignore websites like Yahoo or IGN because of credibility and name recognition. It's a popular sentiment to think of Joker as the only archenemy worth mentioning when it comes to Batman because of Heath Ledger, the animated shows and recent comic book arcs cooked up to cross-promote. But I had a cursory glance at what's happening right now with the story arcs and it's clear that Ra's and Talia are staking an almost equal claim with Joker, taking that history of antagonism to a deeply personal level beyond Ra's abstract idealogy. The quality of the characterizing and storytelling plays a huge part in the relevancy of the character's antagonistic relationship with the protagonist, because the longevity and quality of the relationship is what the concept of "archenemy" is based on.

Personally, I am of the view that as of 2013 and going through Batman's entire character history, Ra's comes just under Joker when it comes to their significance and they have no peer within the rest of the rogue gallery, based on what I do know about the Batman franchise and opinion pieces I have read which discusses the franchise at length. I also think Braniac (instead of Darkseid) have an equally good claim to being Superman's archenemy alongside Luthor because of the sheer amount of anguish, challenge and pain he's dealt to Superman over the decades, but I can't overlook that About.com citation about Darkseid.

Regarding Chronos...it shouldn't be hard to find a reliable source which describes his relationship with Atom with some authority? I'm more knowledgable about the X-Men franchise compared to the others. Haleth (talk) 17:29, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

This is why we need to get rid of the list all together. You wanted to find the sources based your long opinion that you had to write about and it's apparently clear that it's easy to do that. Archenemy is a subjective term. Nothing more, nothing less. Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 17:43, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

If you insist on throwing the baby out with the bath water because you are unable to convince me to switch to your PoV, then...be my guest. Just calm down. Haleth (talk) 17:56, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

We are both guilty of that dude. Don't throw the first stone. I am not trying to change your mind at all. That was actually what I meant. This whole who is archenemy is getting POV from either and any side and that' s why the list is dangerous. Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 18:16, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

I don't think so. Adding or subtracting from the page doesn't add or subtract any value or quality from the IP's themselves, just the wikipedia entry itself. As you said, there will always be casual comments thrown around about say, General Zod being a more significant character then he actually is or Henry Pym being a pathological wife-beater. But, unless they have Scarlet Witch powers, repeating said opinions doesn't make it reality. So...I wouldn't worry about it. More relevant information (with citations) is always a good thing. Haleth (talk) 18:29, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

In all honesty books are a better citation for this particular subject than news site or maybe the fictional character creator.. Archenemy is getting overused to writers who may not know the source material. But do what you want, man. I am hardly as active as I used to be anyways. Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 18:39, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I agree. I go straight for book sources if I can find it or identify the specific, relevant passages. Haleth (talk) 18:50, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

A cookie for you!

Here's that cookie. I decided to give it to you anyways. Jhenderson 777 19:07, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Just trying to be welcoming and get along.Sorry if I had made you upset. If had known that would happen i wouldn't have done that. Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 15:12, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

No I'm not upset at all. Just a bit confused after our little spat. I thought you would be a lot more upset about what I did. Haleth (talk) 13:13, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

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Hello Haleth, I'd appreciate it if you could help our distressed Swedish friend out over here with me.

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Hafspajen had a bad experience at svWiki yesterday, where several of the admins from here on enWiki were blocked (by svWiki admins! cross-wiki wheel-war... kinda) whilst defending Hafspajen's user-talkpage. They are a bit on edge today, hence the imperious edit-summaries. WP:IMAGINE, if you don't mind.

As you said earlier on your talkpage,[1] the best approach is a calm one.  :-)   I'll do my best to help out, in finding sources and stuff (or formatting wiki-markup if needed), but otherwise will try to maintain a low profile. 74.192.84.101 (talk) 00:19, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for helping out. Whoever you are, though. Haleth (talk) 14:26, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

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Hey! Thanks for expanding the Malaysian cuisine article especially the East Malaysian cuisine section, you did a good job here! :) — "ʀᴜ" ɴᴏᴛ ʀᴜssɪᴀɴ ᴡʜᴜᴛ? 12:02, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

You're more than welcome. Yup, I'm from Sabah. Nice to meet you. :) — "ʀᴜ" ɴᴏᴛ ʀᴜssɪᴀɴ ^ᴡʜᴜᴛ? 14:58, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Ehh, you're from Sabah too? No problem, actually I want to create many more Malaysian food articles which you can see the red links on the template, but due to lack of reliable sources on the internet I need to postpone it at the moment. ;) — "ʀᴜ" ɴᴏᴛ ʀᴜssɪᴀɴ ^ᴡʜᴜᴛ? 15:09, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, same here. At first when I heard about the "Kuih kasturi" in Peninsular Malaysia, I really don't know what type of kuih is that, but when I do a lot of research on the internet, it actually a same kuih which also available here. Our local peoples here called it as "kuih kacang hijau". Same to kuih sepit, sapit or kapit, it actually a same kuih, but when I met a Sarawakian friend, many of them called it as kapit which different from us here in Sabah who called it as sapit. Lamban and Kelupis were also same due to made from glutinous rice, but the name were different because of the use of a different type of leaves. :D — "ʀᴜ" ɴᴏᴛ ʀᴜssɪᴀɴ ^ᴡʜᴜᴛ? 15:42, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

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Asian cuisine / List of Asian cuisines

I note that you are a significant editor of Asian cuisine. Last year List of Asian cuisines was created, which duplicates the content and purpose of the Asian cuisine list article. Do you see any value in keeping both? The Asian cuisine list article is in a poor state with little information other than unsourced opinion, and is cluttered with too many images, and red links, while List of Asian cuisines is sourced, informative, and better organised. My feeling is that there is little content to be saved in Asian cuisine, and that it might be more useful to redirect the title to List of Asian cuisines (or vice versa). Essentially, keep one article, and work on that. What do you think? SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 18:42, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

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First thing first. Welcome to Wikipedia. I came here by wanting to help out on navboxes etc. just like you. We seem to be having a disagreement with the Superman and Batman templates on adding each other. I am sure we can agree they are big time characters who have their own set up within the bigger DC Universe where they can crossover. To be honest if we can add characters like Batman on like a Superman navbox. Then where are characters like Lobo and Robin. The quick answer for that is they shouldn't be on there...because they are characters by themselves. The Dawn of Justice is sort of a set up film...where both Batman and Superman can have their own film and characters that are part of the Justice League will be introduced. That's where they belong together at. In Template:Justice League. Not their own navbox. I will be the first to admit that Superman/Batman is a very common crossover. So much so. That I may be thinking on creating an individual navbox on the media that depicts that. Are you willing for that? Maybe that can be a compromise over the silly idea of putting Batman and Superman into the same navbox. Also I agree with you on Chloe Sullivan. She is fine the Smallville navbox and that's it. I missed her being on there. Also I don't know if you read comic books. But Talia Al Ghul is a love interest and is totally an anti-hero unlike The Dark Knight Rises. I only allowed her as a villain because we got one source (IGN) telling us that she is a villain (along with Catwoman). Sources are usually number one here in Wikipedia than opinions. But honestly she is more good not bad and a love interest.Love interest can count as a supporting character. Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 17:55, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

Doing some research on Deathstroke. He appears in a lot of stuff. He is just that major of a villain. He is in Smallville. But we obviously know he isn't a Superman villain. That being said Deathstroke is sort of involved with Batman being a Robin antagonist. But that's mostly when he is affiliated with Teen Titans where we get that notable rivalry. So I don't think I am ok with Deathstroke considered a Batman villain. I know they tussled. One of Batman's worst rivals as Deathstroke is just as skilled as Batman. That's one reason why I think he chosen as a perfect antagonist for the video game...but not enough to be part of his rogues gallery. Would you see him being together with Joker, Riddler, Two Face. Poison Ivy and Scarecrow wrecking Gotham. I don't see the connection. Also they fought more so in a comic that isn't always individually Batmans. Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 18:50, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

BTW that Superman / Batman crossover navbox I said I might do. I tried it out. This is what it would look like.

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The main difference between Catwoman and Talia is that after many years playing the antagonist, Catwoman has more or less been welcomed into the Batman family and she even joined his war on crime willingly. Talia was always neutral in alignment, sympathetic to Batman's cause in the best of times, but she was never truly an ally per se especially when half the time she was obediently carrying out her father's plans which were in direct conflict with Batman's goals, and sometimes she'll sabotage them because she changes her mind due to her soft spot. It's always been a complicated relationship, rendered even more so when in recent years in the comics, she's finally being depicted as a character with her own agency, and she chose to cement her status as a villain in her own right by starting Leviathan. She had her own son with Bruce killed, and she was determined to bring down Batman Incorporated, which Catwoman had joined sometime ago out of her own volition. Talia was never an anti-hero, more the (reluctant) anti-villain because for much of her character's history she lacked agency and her actions were often swayed by either her father or Batman, whereas Catwoman is without a doubt an anti-hero. I mean Penguin acts as an informant from time to time, and pre-Two Face Harvey Dent was also a staunch ally for Batman which was well established in the comics, they are far from the only villains to aid Batman from time to time (especially when Dent got moments of sanity back to him), but surely you don't think they are also considered Batman supporting characters too? BTW Catwoman should still be included under the villains tab, simply to acknowledge the many decades the character spent being a member of Batman's rogues gallery.

And why are the live action movies even relevant to the discussion? I'm not even considering Talia's role in the Nolan movies. Please understand that my reasonings behind editing the templates as I did, have nothing to do with how some of the characters are being depicted in a movie, which always deviate from the source material anyway. It's all to do with how prevalent their presence in the franchise's media portfolio.

PS would I see Deathstroke wrecking Gotham? Sure, if he's well paid enough, the guy has no conscience whatsoever and only follows the money trail. Note that Talia paid him to take out her son, if Talia pays him enough to bomb or destroy Gotham's major infrastructure you think he wouldn't do it? But he is also a spiteful and petty guy who can't stand others upstaging him or besting his skills, and its established in comic canon that he hates both Batman and Green Arrow almost as much as Dick Grayson. Most of Batman's villains aren't even out to wreck Gotham, because it wouldn't make sense: why utterly destroy the city when their primary motive in life is to steal and eat the fat from said city? This is not Superman's rogues gallery we are talking about. Haleth (talk) 00:15, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

If being a love interest is enough to count as a supporting character, then where's Wonder Woman, Sasha Bordeaux, Julie Madison, Zatanna and Bruce Wayne's whole bevy of flings and romantic interests on the template? You can't cherry pick what you liked from comic book arcs and specific interpretations of certain characters at certain points in time to support your points and arguments. Haleth (talk) 00:18, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

I don't care about Talia's placement at all. I am fine with more additions of villains like Firefly (outside of Deathstroke). I can tell you are a fan of the comic books and all. But there is got to be more reasoning than a character is "Batwoman's love interest" or "Batman's love interest" on something beside a Superman and Batman centric comic book. The point is I am not the one that made the rules of making a consensus on the next additon on the Batman article. A couple administrators did. Are any of these Batman comic books? Not from World's Finest Comics, Justice League comics and other crossover comics. Is Maggie being a love interest of Batwoman even in a Batman comic book. (I am asking this one because I literally didn't know). Is there a list determining top Batman villains and top Batman supporting characters. All you are saying that the DC Universe is the same universe and that two mascot DC superheroes are friends and even love interests. That's no surprise. That's why I showed example of this navbox and you are still not satisfied. Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 14:46, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

Let me try to sum up my requirements of what you call "cherry picking". Must be recurring (probably still recurring). Media adaptions are very important. Along with the specific media that the character is on. Although characters like the new Batman family I allowed because one article proved notability on how much reliable sources the character has. That helps too. The proving of notability. Not in-universal reasonings of why the character is this or that in the comic books currently or back then. If notability isn't proved good on the article. Then media adaptions are my alternate basic source. A navbox like Template:Spider-Man determines adding by how many alternative takes and media adaptions who can go in. That works too!

They can't go in if it's not an article. You are wanting a character that you link New 52 on. That's a no-no. Navboxes are for navigation. You break the purpose of it being a navigation tool for a reader doing that. Also if one character doesn't have an article. Then notability is too much in question anyway. New 52 is too recent IMO. Which is something Wikipedia can be against as well. This is not Wikia but Wikipedia. We just summarize the common knowledge without knowing the backstory

Regarding supporting characters. They must appear constantly on the character's comic book. Like Wonder Woman appearing regularly in the Superman comic book or Batman comic book compared to Lois Lane or Catwoman. Sure there are comic books that can focus on both. They team up obviously too. The navbox I have here is proof of that. But they are still their own characters that don't need to be described as "supporting characters". If anything they would belong on see also. But even that seems unnecessary. They have their own navbox. The reader already knows how the connection works and doesn't need a navbox to tell them that Wonder Woman is on a Superman navbox because she was a love interest of Superman. That's not the point of a navbox whatsoever. Let the supporting character article talk about that. Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 16:04, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

This is a complicated topic, but my general thoughts are that Jhenderson777's Superman/Batman crossover media is a sensible construction. I would not include supporting character there at all, unless there is a supporting character that is exclusive to Superman/Batman crossover media and not appearing elsewhere. Otherwise, it's just a general character and not a specific part of Superman/Batman crossover media. --Tenebrae (talk) 17:06, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

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You do have a point, yes. My apologies if you were offended by the remark. The working relationship between the two characters would be evident to people who follow the recent Batman-centric story arcs. It's not strictly Justice League business or Brave and the Bold style random teamup because they do have personal history together, retcon or otherwise. Whenever Batman wanted magical backup, it's usually Zatanna whom he consults. Hence DC made a big deal out of the relationship souring because of Dr Light's mindwipe years ago. But it's not a big deal if you insist on removing it because it doesn't exist in the current New 52 continuity...just wondering why you removed Constantine as well. Are you of the opinion that Zatanna in the comics have no stable working relationship with anyone past or present?

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Why should Dick Grayson be a supporting character of Batgirl and the Birds of Prey?24.38.188.96 (talk) 03:33, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Because Dick Grayson has made multiple appearances (I'm talking about at least well over two dozen) on both the Batgirl (which starred Cassandra Cain and Stephanie Brown) and Birds of Prey issues in the past, in a supporting role. He did not however, work as closely with them compared to Bruce Wayne or with his Robin successors in his own title or the main Batman titles. He did have very close ties with Barbara Gordon whether in her Oracle or Batgirl (Babs never actually starred in her own ongoing Batgirl title until New 52) guises, then he did with her Batgirl successors so I listed her as a partner. I listed Starfire as well because they had a well documented relationship and their past closeness with each other were repeatedly mentioned, even in the New 52 Red Hood title.

Also I re-iterated what I said about Aqualad. He is a made for TV character who was adapted for the Brightest Day story arc, but has made no other comic book appearances since then. He was an ally of Aquaman, but never his protege because of the New 52 reboot which put a stop in any future developments. His most notable appearances are still in the Young Justice TV show, his relationship with Aquaman and the YJ team (they aren't even called "Teen Titans") is not considered canon for the purposes of the wikipedia article. Haleth (talk) 03:43, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

That could be the same said for Batman. He was a supporting character of Batman as Robin.24.38.188.96 (talk) 03:45, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Then that belongs to the Robin page, not the Dick Grayson page, because Dick Grayson himself never headlined as Robin in a Robin comicbook title. Mind you though...the relationship between Batman and Robin is more of a partnership anyway, which implies a shared limelight in the comic books as opposed to a supporting role where one character is to play second fiddle to another. Haleth (talk) 03:48, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Okay.24.38.188.96 (talk) 03:50, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

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No worries, I'll open a discussion on the talk page soon, and leave it at that. I have no intention of getting into an edit war with him if he persists on reverting my edits, and I was not sure if the other editors feel strongly about this issue to intervene anyway. Thanks for the words of encouragement. Haleth (talk) 07:16, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

Sure thing. I think your rationale for removing the block was sound and your explanation was far clearer. It's just one of those things where good editors can get caught up in an edit warring block entirely by accident. I'd hate to see that. Take care, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 12:47, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

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Blaze and Satanus

I feel we should have a civil discussion here if we do have disagreements. Out of curiosity though which one of them in the New 52? Also which comic book issues? I didn't know one of them appeared. Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 15:59, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

"which btw, a lot of these characters even when adapted to other media did not even appear in Superman-centric stuff". Which characters? Not all these characters I may agree being on there. Neutron for example. I didn't say they had to appear in Superman media. Just media. They can be Superman centric within the mainstream comic books as long as they appear in other media including Justice League/Justice League Unlimited and Legion of Superheroes. Superman hasn't had many media that is just his like Batman's. Also I am not picking at you or spiting at you at all. This is what I can't stand about you so far at all. You are taking every revert or removal you added as personal. I even advised to let's talk civil. But you assumed bad faith of me again. Undoing edits is a normal part of Wikipedia. You need to stop being offended of it and take it personal and you also need to discuss more often. You either give up discussing it or you talk negative about me. Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 16:44, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

I have had editors like User:J Greb do the same thing like you did to me constantly when I was starting off. But did I ever accuse him of spiting me when I got reverted. No. I knew he was a reliable editor when active who knew what was the best for the navbox when he was active as an editor. So I kept on discussing him about what was best for the article. I never discussed my personal opinion on my feeling that I am always someone he targets to revert or someone who acted like the boss of comic book related articles/navbox. I even felt that way sometimes! But I knew talking personal wouldn't get what I wanted on the addition of an navbox. Maybe you can be like that to me too. I don't think you are a bad editor even if I don't think the inclusion necessary.

Sometimes I wonder if navboxes are necessary. Definitely since Mobile Wikipedia where you can't even see them. Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 17:03, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

I am not even sure I want to bother reading all that. I was planning on other edits. I am sure you seeing Deathstroke appearing in many Batman-related media. Why I didn't let that appear? I already told you the comic books are what tells you who the character is a major villain if they have established themselves as an recurring villain from stories that are centric of the superhero that has their own navbox. The media adaptions do not. Although the media adaptions is pretty much something that helps tells us if they are major enough for a navbox for the big superheroes if they are already established enough to be one in the comic books. For example: Boomerang (comics). He hardly appear in Spider-Man related media. But it's pretty obvious in the mainstream comic book universe they are centric to Spider-Man related comic books and alternate Spider-Man comic books and they have appeared in multiple media. (As the hidden notes said they must have). But I am sure you find an issue with how that works too. Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 17:28, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

No I didn't contadiict myself. just said they still have to have media adaptions. Media adaptions just don't tell us whose villains they are. That is all! The comic books do. The media adaptions can count as "popular culture" for the original comic book character.Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 18:09, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

But still not helpful since this discussion is about navbox additions or omissions. It only means their pages are notable enough not to be deleted or redirected Haleth (talk) 18:11, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

That's the only characters we need in the navbox in the first place. Also that stil doesn't prove notability. But sometimes that's our next big guess. Although sometimes a character can be big deal because of a storyline like Anti-Monitor but still hardly be part of a rogues gallery outside of being a Sinestro Corps member. Beyonder can be considered a major villain too but not be part of someone's rogues gallery to be in a navbox unless there was a Secret Wars navbox and already there is a cosmic entity navbox. My point is Blaze and Satanus are probably major enough antagonists of DC to still have their own article but that doesn't make them a commonly known Superman villains in the navbox. There is still Terra-Man, Conduit and Blodsport that have their own article but aren't in the navbox too. They even had media adaptions. But they also have been kind of inactive too. The New 52 can maybe bring them back but with Satanus I don't see him being a major antagonist before New 52. You kind of have to be both. The classics need to be included too. They were major characters in a notable storyline though to maybe have their articles kept at least.

Also bringing to life a Superman villain does bring an impact in the DC but for the Superman navbox too? I personally don't think so. That may be IMO but still one of the articles even place them as as less common foe. Also I didn't even notice them on DC database's navbox or on a list of greatest Superman enemies. Etc. Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 18:43, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Here's the deal. I read your entire sentence. I couldn't real all of it because I had other Wikipedia plans. I am a little ADD sometimes. That being said. I shouldn't have read your comments because they sound like someone in a bad attitude ironically accusing me of having an bad attitude. Which in am not. I am cool, calm and collective for now. Maybe you are not either. But if so you have no right to accuse me (an experienced editor) as victimizing you and of assuming bad faith. I take offense to that because I am against that kind of behavior in the first place...and you accuse me of doing that. Harsh! You do realize you reverted first? I took away Blaze and Satanus. I didn't undo a edit. I didn't know or care who added him at first. I just removed and then I was undone by you with a plead. So tell me is that an editor who is "spiting" you or whatever it is you accused me of doing.

Who gave you Wikilove? I did! Did you give me Wikilove? Or are you just going to point out all the negative of everything I did to somehow make a point of your inclusions. To say I assumed bad faith to you is crap. Plain and simple. Like I said it didn't matter who added the duo characters. I felt they had to be removed. I feel that you are a decent editor. I didn't even say anything bad about your inclusions. They were good faith edits. Next time I will just call them "good faith edits" if it happens. I didn't think I needed to but apparently I do because you are calling me out on assuming bad faith on you. None of that is assuming bad faith. Accusing me of victimizing or targeting you is ironically assuming bad faith though.. If you weren't doing that then I apologize for assuming bad faith. I seriously even tried to reason to you even.. but just ignore that part I guess. I didn't want to bite the newbie after all. But are making it hard when you act as I am a bad editor just because I removed things you don't want on there. Since when did I call you a bad editor anyways?

If you write an entire sentence to me again. May I recommend you to stop being negative. Because it feels like you're trying to get personal and provoke me to get hot under the collar. But it ain't going to happen. No matter how offensive you get. I am not in a bad attitude and I never was. Definitely not at you. Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 00:36, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Also read WP:Civil and tell me how I am being uncivilized? Last time I checked, none of us were being uncivil but since I am being accused of being it then I want to know what made you to think so so I can stop. I don't want to come off as that at all and if I somehow do then I would of course apologize. Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷

Marvel

I thank you for coming to discuss it. I would say that the lead is very much not "to be from Marvel's PoV" — it needs to be a neutral, disinterested list of what are historically the most important characters, which the article body should support (given that we generally don't footnote non-contentious claims in leads or infoboxes). The article supports Spider-Man as being the most historically and commercially important character; after that consensus has more or less emerged — no one would argue that the Fantastic Four, Captain America and Iron Man, for example, would not merit mention in the lead — and I'm not sure one could argue that Ms. Marvel, virtually unknown outside of comics fans, belongs there.

Individual editors have added their favorite character over the years, as I think you were noting, and generally these have been removed. Is the daredevil enemy Bullseye worth mentioning in the lead? To a Daredevil fan, yes. In terms of giving a major example among five or six villains, doubtful. In that respect, the lead has been as stable as these things get, what with hit movies making one or another character notable to the general public.

Still, you make a point: It can seem arbitrary if you feel the article body doesn't support the examples given. In terms of following WP:BURDEN and other applicable guidelines, why not suggest a list on the talk page for editors to discuss? That way a talk-page consensus will be reached — if it hasn't been already; you might want to check the talk-page archives — and the outcome will be as representative and precisely chosen as can be.

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Attitude Era

You seem to have been removing hidden notes and adding a bunch of unreliable sources like bleacherreport to the article as well as odd heading. I would wish that you stop doing that since it doens't improve the article any.★Trekker (talk) 00:27, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

I only removed one, and that wasn't a hidden note. You actually wrote and claimed that the Attitude Era isn't WCW-exclusive. Where's your source? The Attitude Era is a wholly WWF-made trademark and product, much like the entire nWo run was an asset of WCW's.

I didn't add most of the other headings, it was already there long before I started editing the page, which certainly require a lot of improvements.

Could you provide a wiki policy guide which specifically says that the entirety of the Bleacher Report is unreliable? I note that Bleacher Report even has its own article on wikipedia. '

The term seems to almost universaly be used by fans and publications to refer to the entire late 90s wrestling boom in general, and even if we stick to only WWF's content why is there no mentions of how WCW's product affected WWF's? By the article you'd get the impression that everything just happened spontaneously. That's not very informative and makes for a rather poor read. I've reworded the reasoning to please you so stop removing it, there should always be a motivation/explanation in a template like that.

Sources are not reliable by being notable themselves, Bleahcer Report is user generated, therefore not an acceptable source in almost all cases. I recomend you read up on wikipedia guidlines as well as the wrestling projects own list of reliable souces.★Trekker (talk) 01:02, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

Not really. I have seen multiple wrestling sources which refer to how the products between the companies influenced each other as part of the Monday Night Wars which has its own article. WCW's equivalent product also has its own article, the nWo which ran all the way until WCW's closure. People who tend to lump together both the WCW and WWF product into the "Attitude Era" umbrella tend to be from the casual audience who don't pay much attention to wrestling outside of that time period and probably can't tell the difference between the companies (which makes it all the more confusing for them since WCW was bought out by its rival in 2001).

Well that's your experience that doesn't coincide with my experiences, whatever, I've already compromised my summary to fit you. By the way, first it's a trademarked name and now it's just an expression? Nice one. How come your idea that you've seen a bunch of stuff in souces is what to go by when you don't even know what makes a relibale source. Also, please learn to format your comments and sign them, it's hard to have a conversation otherwise.★Trekker (talk) 01:27, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

I have forgotten how to format and sign my comments. It's been a while since someone got worked up enough to leave comments on my talk page.

The actual trademark is WWF Attitude, as you can see from that logo on the front page. I am not sure WWE has actually trademarked "Attitude Era", but it appears to be a term everyone from wrestling fans, wrestling journalists, mainstream media and the company itself uses to refer to the WWF product during that time period, and not WCW's television programming or PPV content which was mostly dominated by the nWo angle which itself is edgy and crass in style. The actual head to head rivalry is called the Monday Night Wars.

We or someone else should probably add more commentary about how Vince Russo brought the WWE Attitude style to WCW when he got recruited by them in their final days. That would be the influence you were talking about.

Thanks for the jab at my spelling, sorry we can't cure dyslexia yet. I'm feel I'm going to quit even trying because this is giving me a headache by now. Do what you want with the article as long as you find a relibale source.★Trekker (talk) 01:41, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

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