User talk:Haider khan10

Seems like you have made unintentional negative edits to Swati(Pashtun Tribe). They have been stated correctly as who they are. Hope you won't let the page to the trash bin. Regards

March 2020

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Hello, I'm haider khan, will add reference also! Dua wassalam.. Haider khan10 (talk) 14:47, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

I have made some changes now,hope it'll be fine? Take care

Good faith edits to Swati page

You are constantly trying to make edits to the avove page without any knowledge that this matter was decided at scholarly board here. We won't report you this time but destroting facts on Wikipedia is against all norms. If you have nothing better to do leave it as it is. Regards. Azmarai76 (talk) 23:48, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Last Warning

I am reporting your ID and IP address for conflict resolution also. Don't show yourself I amnot protecting this page and many other Afghan pages but only due to the fact many non Afghans or non Pashtuns only speaking Pashto try to enlist themselves at Wikipedia as true Afghans claiming to be of Sarabani, Karlanri, Bettani or Ghilzai Confederates. The list is Kattanis, Swatis, Kohistanis, Nooristanis, Khors, Hindkies and Gujjars. Same is the case with Swatis who otherwise seem to have great pedigree but they deny and always return as Afghans. I hope you will appreciate someone who isn't a Swati has made you a page and be proud of who you are instead of trying to become something you aren't. Regards Azmarai76 (talk) 05:09, 16 July 2020 (UTC

Swatis are from bettani or Khilji tribal confederation and you are much more aware of it, but it seems to be like some personnel grudges with my great Pashtun tribe..Mr Azmarai Abdali pls let other people do some changes with proper sources or show me that Swatis are not in Ghilji tribal tree? i have seen you for so many times neglecting all other pashtuns like Ghalji Ghori Suri Lodhi Lohani and Swatis as Pashtuns proper !!! by the way i have already told you that I believe my self as pashtun not Afghan because there is huge difference....you afghan and me Pashtun. Regards Haider Khan10

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Swatis aren't Pashtuns good faith wrong edits

My friend you are either not well versed with what has been written about Pashtun or Afghan ancestry or something altogether different. The real Pashtuns are Karlanris while Swatis have never been recorded anywhere as Bittanis. If you are from this tribe you are just making edits making the ancestry of this tribe suspicious. I would suggest you give me some classic reference of this tribe being Pashtun or Afghan. It would be appreciated but history can't be written in modern times out of blue. Similarly, trans indus Swatis aren't Swatis but merely few artisans as recorded in Riwajnama. Are you tras indus or cis indus. Regards Azmarai76 (talk) 11:13, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

So how could you consider karlanis as real pashtuns, while he was an adopted son, Pashtuns are pashtuns by their language land traditions and customs, no matter if he is from krlan bitan ghorgasht or surbun.. conclusion: Karlanis are more pashtuns than any other pashtun.!! for now don't bother me anymore. Regards Abdali sab Haider khan10 (talk) 21:35, 8 August 2020 (UTC) Pashtun tribes

Please do have little respect

I guess Wikipedia has to be good info with credibility. You can't tell anyone not to interfere. Please talk sense you have almost started a childish debate. If there had been references to this effect that this tribe is Afghan and Pashtun I would have loved to share them here. I have put in all I could gather I myself. Regards Azmarai76 (talk) 11:41, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

I had told you that you are an afghan but me pashtun so don't mix them up or you will love to give some other names to pashtuns like rohilla sulemani pathan apgan !!! Regards mr azmarai Haider khan10 (talk)

No son it's about this particular type you belong to seem to have something wrong with your brought up. Swatis aren't Pashtuns like I told you before nor Afghans plus on Wikipedia even if you become so people know all about these tribes. If you want I put this in conflict resolution. What do you think,?? Azmarai76 (talk) 10:01, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

my dear grand son mr abdali now you don't have any materiel to prove so thats why you showing your back threatening me ... i had told you im not afghan but Pashtun only yes i believe you as afghan...you didnot reply my querry about karlani that they are more pashtuns than any other pashtuns even they were adopted....stop defaming my tribe any more and one more thing did you see bitani tribal tree !!!! ta ma na many za ta namanam !!! .. Regards Haider khan10 (talk) 10:22, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Where please quote the source of Bettani tribal tree I have seen it. I guess what has been written about you people in Hazara Gazetteer is correct as displayed in your way of communication and otherwise. I have threatened you nowhere rather have asked if you want we seek further help to improve this page from the editorial board. Regards Azmarai76 (talk) 10:50, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

If you are wannabe Afghan Pashtun or Bettani I don't mind in Afghanistan also many such tribes are still there who aren't Afghans but claim to be so haven't been accepted still. Seems like you guys are one of them. But why do you think if anyone would write you of Dehqan origins without proper research like I told you I will be glad if you can show me anything within historical framework of quality standard with Gazetteers, other classical work I will be the first to change Swati origin to Bettani based upon that. Regards Azmarai76 (talk) 11:06, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Furthermore, changing and distorting facts over Wikipedia or internet is the most immature thing one can do please don't do it let's talk it over and bring sources straight since the times history was being first recorded since Arab conquest of Afghanistan. Like I said I'm open to debate in a scholarly manner as your royal blood which you only claim is making you fight people without a reason while mine tells me to remain sober. Regards Azmarai76 (talk) 11:19, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

derogatory remarks for Abdalis no never, i just mentioned them as persian speaking people and thats a fact even it was in Ahmad shah abdil's time when he was in command, the main language of the country was the great persian not the great pashtu, he had a great chance to promote Pashto at that time but he couldn't .. Mr azmarai Regards Haider khan10 (talk) 20:30, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Lodhis Ghoris Suris Khiljis Swatis are in bitani tribal tree and you can't defined them at your own will, you will have to delete them all from the pashtun genealogy tree all of them or stop using derogatory remarks against any of them. One of more thing that if you omit all these tribes bitani or ghorgasht, you will have nothing in great Pashtun history because all of them were ruling tribes of Pashtuns or may you will have just a recent past history of Ahmed Shah baba of 18th century....Azmarai sab Regards Haider khan10 (talk) 20:38, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

you are wrong about gujjar brothers and others, gujjars have their own first mother language is called Gujri and for sheiks they are living almost all over in Pakistan and speak their areas dominating language like in sind they speak sindhi etc mr abdali sab .. Haider khan10 (talk) 20:44, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Swatis are Pashtuns but not afghans ... are you rohilla, sulemani, Khurasani or Pathan !!!!! you have half of dozen names mr ... Haider khan10 (talk) 20:47, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

According to Khan Roshan Khan in his book Tazkara meintioned Batani as the second largest Pashtuns tribe and took some names of the sub tribes like Lodhis Suris Swatis and Khiljis of batani confeferation... Abdali sab ka ta ma namany ... qasam khrum che za ba ta hiiis kala namanam ! Regards: Haider khan10 (talk) 21:02, 9 August 2020 (UTC

what can i do if you are just afghan and trying to be a pashtun like us mr abdali sab Regards Haider khan10 (talk) 21:14, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

You speak persian language only while i can talk and write Pashto, it seems to be like you are in some sort of inferiority complex ... Regards Haider khan10 (talk) 21:14, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Pashto my friend isn't what makes you a Pashtun but it's blood. Please do come up with some authentic source of Swatis being Pashtuns I won't have any problem. They are Pashtuns or something else isn't my point. My concern is just to tell you to make thing factual and not sentimental. As far as inferiority complex is concerned I was never thrown out of Swat like others who are now bent upon becoming Bettanis or in many cases Yusufzais. One can see that Macgregor wrote well about some, ," they have been reduced to such distress that they have forgotten their identity of race". Regards Azmarai76 (talk) 04:12, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

By the way are you guys now sure you aren't Yusufzais??? Earlier many would be here logging in anonymously to change themselves to Yusufzais. Regards Azmarai76 (talk) 04:14, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

If Bettanis please quote the Bettani sub tribe Swatis are from Regards Azmarai76 (talk) 04:16, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

see Tazkara by Khan Roshan Khan pulished first edition 1980 .. me azmarai Haider khan10 (talk) 08:54, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

I told you Swatis can't write a book or for that matter many books now and declare themselves Pashtuns. They are very respectable race but aren't Pashtuns. Regards Azmarai76 (talk) 13:59, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Disruptive Editing

My friend and comrade please do tell me which subtribe of Bettanis are Swatis from as I couldn't find any proof of them being Bettanis. If you have a source like I said before prior to 1970s or 60s that's been recognized officially please share with me. Don't become a laughing stock. Ghoris were Tajeeks while Suris were parthians from House of Suren. You are just taken it to a childish edit war you even claimed Swatis dewel in trans..indus areas also. Those claiming to be Swatis in that part are just artisans as recorded by all official sources. Do want to be equated with them??? I don't have any problem. Regards Azmarai76 (talk) 04:06, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Similarly, do let me know do you think Pashtuns are a linguistic group??? In that case without a pedigree table since earlier times you can't even call your own tribesmen now speaking Hindko language (indic language) as Pashtuns. Can you??? as all you have put forth so far is language spoken by half of your tribe so what about those who speak Hindko ?? Are they not Swatis as per your statement ?? Regards Azmarai76 (talk) 04:36, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Reference needed for Swatis being Bettanis

Please do give me some source in this regard. At least you would know which subsection of Bettanis are you from ??? Please if you really want it this tribe to become Bettani please proceed in this manner instead of changing and doing disruptive editing to the body of the article. Regards Azmarai76 (talk) 10:10, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

See khan Roshan Khans book Tazkara and Fazal mehmood khans book Swati pakhtun also ... mr patan Regards Haider khan10 (talk) 10:14, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Pashtun is Pashtun by their language land culture and customs thats all .... no blood line nothing mr azmarai ...when qais baba visited Madina with fourty or more people to accept Islam then where rest of the tribes people had gone, were they not pashtuns ... according to your folklores qais baba had four sons, one of them was an adopted one !!! Pukhto izda ka nu bya ba khabary kaum. Regards Haider khan10 (talk) 10:15, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

So why did you change this article a few days back yourself that Swatis are from the line of Qais Abdur Rasheed. Once I confronted it these have become folklore. Regards Azmarai76 (talk) 10:16, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Please tell me if you know the subsection of Bettanis you are from ?? I will search the rest myself. Regards Azmarai76 (talk) 10:18, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Please give me source for Swatis page

Brother tell me where should I look for you people in Afghan or Pashtun genealogy. Just give me an authentic source as changing it over Wikipedia alone won't make you Bettani or Pashtun. There are many books on this tribe you aren't the first in this tribe. Regards Azmarai76 (talk) 10:32, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

first we were not in bitani but then added by someone in tribal tree, thats what you meant !!! by the way i don't know who added us but we are in now, so that way keep your self away of my tribe ... laas che mat she ghary la razi mr.... Haider khan10 (talk) 11:08, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

What the heck is that after all this disruptive editing I thought you would give me some reference. Bro someone added you and I am saying you are still officially nowhere in that genealogy as Bettanis, Pashtuns or Afghans. I don't understand why do you people lie on your origins. Secondly, w the Wikipedia isn't one place but I protect many other Afghan pages here also. I have seen you many a time adding and readding Swatis to main Pashtun article page. Don't make it a joke. Regards Azmarai76 (talk) 12:15, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Reference for Swatis page

Really jogis are better than the ones who are Yusufzais for 5 years then Bettanis and then progeny of Qais Abur Rasheed and also call him from folklore. By the way I am a Pashtun nationalist myself but can't add anyone who is dieing like you guys to become Pashtuns. Regards Azmarai76 (talk) 10:38, 10 August 2020 (UTC)is a Pashtun tribe

Jogis are far better then you non pashto speaking people and claimed great pashtuns Regards Haider khan10 (talk) 11:13, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

don't go away of main topic now and that is karlani wasn't he adopted one or Khiljis were from turks prince !!!! you non pashtun race Regards Haider khan10 (talk) 11:04, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

where rest of the pashtuns gone when qais baba visited Madina, he had four sons or what, one of them was an adopted one and one was a turk then how could you go for a blood line, while where fourty or more pashtuns had gone who were with qais baba ... non pashtun race ..... Haider khan10 (talk) 11:11, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Now I am asking you the same ??? Why did you try to become son of Qais Baba yourself a few days back. History is deep it's not for immature so if you want to read instead of edit wars I can tell you what it means. Regards Azmarai76 (talk) 11:16, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

these are just four tribal groups only, i m not taking them fours sons of qais baba like you !!! do you know pashto if not let me teach you some say za pakhtun yum that way you will become pakhtun Haider khan10 (talk) 11:21, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

You are really leaving academic framework. You just said yourself Qais had four sons and now going back of it. Aren't you??? Azmarai76 (talk) 11:27, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

If you think Swatis are Bettanis why did you say at the same time they are same as Lodhis?? Do you understand now why did I used the word Pashtunized??? Regards Azmarai76 (talk) 11:59, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Who are Afghans and Pashtuns

Afghans are parthians with saka influences while Pashtuns are descendants of Pakta Dards and Sakas. Therefore, about all four of their clans and sub clans were recorded and they would serve the common cause. These are Karlanris, Sarbanris, Bettanis and Ghorghusts. Where are Swatis as you have been calling them Bettanis and Lodhis and Suris all at the same time to become Wikipedia Pashtun. Regards Azmarai76 (talk) 11:33, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Now if Swatis are Bettanis how have you been telling me they are same as Lodhis as Lodhis are descendants of Bibi Mattu and not Beit Neka. Is it like you are making Swatis Bettanis from mother's side even if we take them Lodhis for a second. Azmarai76 (talk) 11:36, 10 August 2020 (UTC

couldn't you see Swati in Bitani tribal tree, just type Pashtun tribes, even here you can fine it ... you azmarai Haider khan10 (talk) 21:52, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

just tell me one thing is karlani was an adopted son of qais baba or what???? secondly betan baba son in law wasn't a turk or what ???? ghorgasht according to you also are doubtful then where pashtuns are just your race Abdalis????

how much time gone, when these lineal trees have been explored or written, just in 17th century by Niamatulla Hirvi, in his book "Tareekh e Khan Jahani - Maghzan e Afghani", who himself was far far away from the land of Pashtuns. Infact Pashtuns were every where in Pashtun Khwa from the thousand of years that's why Herodotus mentions them as Pactyans, Righved as Pakat and Persian Osta as Bagad. Haider khan10 (talk) 22:38, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

You think Makhzan e Afghani didn't record you only and had enmity with you ??? Karlanri are Paktus Bettanis progeny of Shah Hussain a Tajik, Ghorghusts again adopted while Sarabanrs parthians but what was common amongst all these tribes was : "Serving the common cause" when was the war that Swatis participated in making Afghan coglomorate???? Rather you battles were against Pashtuns who revolted at Swat against you as you weren't their own. Regards Azmarai76 (talk) 04:00, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Please quote a book bro. Quote a source. Regards Azmarai76 (talk) 04:04, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Mentioned

An editor has complained about you at User talk:EdJohnston#Complaint about User:Haider khan10. You can respond if you wish. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 18:00, 10 August 2

Swatis are Pashtuns mentioned by majoriy of authors ... i had already mentioned two of them like Khan Roshan Khan and Fazal Mehmood Khan. Thanks, Haider khan10 (talk) 21:49, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Swatis are pashtuns according to authors like Sher Bahadur khan panni "History of Hazara", a book name pashtun tribes of the north west frontier of india prepared by general staff army head quarters india in 1910....if they were not pashtuns then why are they being discussed among pashtun tribes. Thanks Haider khan10 (talk) 22:20, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Swatis are Pashtuns according to Hazara Gazetteer 1907 compiled and edited under punjab govt of india. Thanks Haider khan10 (talk) 22:26, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Swatis are pashtuns a book namely "campaigns on the north west frontier", because all the campaigns are discussed against Pashtun Tribes only, written by capt H.L nevill in 1910 ......Thanks

a book pathan and biloch by edward oliver, Swatis are firmly discussed, if they are not pashtuns then there was no need to be discussed in pashtun name book. Thanks Haider khan10 (talk) 23:24, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Swatis were mentioned as pashtuns by a sikh author mehtab singh in persian book name "tareekh e hazara wa khurd buru singhan wa durranian " written in 1848 or 49. Thanks Haider khan10 (talk) 23:58, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

their main code of references are outsiders who dosn't know much about pashtuns so a book "imprerial gazetteer of north west frontier province" dradted by H A ROSE in 1900 or before if i m not wrong...tells us that pashtun tribes are mainly of iranian origin, but many of their sections are affliated clans of hindki or indigenous decent, others of saiyed arabian few possibly of turkish origin. Thanks Haider khan10 (talk) 23:37, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Now another point, how could one adopted son can take place of a real son, and their offsprings will trace their ancestor to Qais Abdul Rashid Baba? According to folklores, fables, an infant was found and adopted might be of some another race but defenitely not Pashtun ! Great Karalanis are more Pashtunic as compare to other Pashtun tribes, what makes you so confident about to accept Karlanis in that lineal tree ? Kindly don't see these great Pashtun tribes on behalf of your own likings and dislikings. Here is a Pashto proverb " che ta sok na manay - ta ba hum sok na mani " Haider khan10 (talk) 22:45, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Pakhtuns are defined by their language, their common culture, and their common heritage, and in the most orthodox perspective, by their religious beliefs (Islam). Blood to them only matters on the level of Khels (sub-tribes). Beyond Khel, blood don’t matter. Most Pakhtun tribes won’t allow their men or women to marry another Khel of the same tribe. That is where blood truly matters, when it comes to close family, or extended family. After that point, the definition is in a broader perspective (language, culture, heritage, religion). Then it is truly a matter of characteristics. You can be the son of Qais or Kanrani, if you don’t speak Pakhto, it will be problematic for you to marry a Pakhtun. Then you can speak pure Pakhto, but if you are not a Muslim, it will be difficult to marry a Pakhtun. Chances of that happening, are null. Sync2k5 18:31, 24 February 2006 (UTC).....these were the talks when we were involved to improve pashtun related pages 14 years back mr azmarai. Haider khan10 (talk) 23:02, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

The books you have mentioned above are very old. For example, 1910. These are among the 'raj-era' books that are not considered reliable for South Asian topics. Do you have any recent scholarly sources? For example, published in the last twenty years? EdJohnston (talk) 02:03, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Bro none of even these Raj Era books also have mentioned Swatis as Pashtuns. I am asking myself but bro is just upon making this tribe Pashtuns. Their Y chromosomal genetic lines are unlike Pashtuns. Similarly, none of these books haven't considered Swatis as Pashtuns. Regards Azmarai76 (talk) 03:52, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

This is tribe just like one other Tanoli who know they aren't Pashtuns but would enlist themselves as such. These have recently falsified their origin without any understanding to me. Regards Azmarai76 (talk) 04:07, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Pashtuns are a conglomerate of people but properly recorded since even before British Raj. I speak and write English today would that make me an Englishman as this user Haider Khan10 has learnt Pashto and that too only half of this tribe the other half speak Hindko. The way he has wrongly quoted books as have written them as Pashtuns and not Dehqans is itself very disappointing on his part. Regards Azmarai76 (talk) 04:17, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

1.History of Hazara by Panni has termed Swatis as probable Ghoris and Ghoris weren't Pashtuns. 2. Hazara Gazetteer and other GGOs available online even has termed you a race of non Pashtun origins. 3. Metab Singhs claim was limited to papers of the Sikh Raj afterwards cancelled by none else but Swatis while again accepting lands resettlement of 1872 by British. 4. Campaigns of north west frontier again says Swatis are non Afghan or non Pushtun race. 5. Dictionary of Pathan Tribes again says Cis Indus Swatis are Dehqans of race driven out of Swat by Akazai section of Yusufzais.

All these sources are a available online so please don't misqoute what they have said. Regards Azmarai76 (talk) 05:38, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

If needed I can paste online links to Hazara Gazetteer, Maj. Ravertys book, Dictionary of Pathan Tribes for all users to see for themselves that Swatis have been written non Pushtun and non Afghans. Regards Azmarai76 (talk) 07:55, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Btw for my brother @ Haider Khan Swatis are unlike Bettanis genetically also. Regards Azmarai76 (talk) 07:58, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Haider Khan10 bro you are time and again saying I have grudge against this tribe and I want to tell you I argued other editors to at least keep the title of this page Swati(Pashtun Tribe) as I know half you guys speak Pashto now but if would claim you are a Bettani or progeny of Qais Abdur Rasheed that you tried to change this article to, that would be wrong academically. Regards Azmarai76 (talk) 08:23, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

You claimed Hazara Gazetteer has recorded you as Afghan or Pashtun.... here is the link do you showing Ed Johnston and me where in this

https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.31463 Azmarai76 (talk) 08:28, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

You claimed Maj. Raverty has recorded them as Pashtuns or Afghans here is the link please show us https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.38715/page/n1/mode/2up Azmarai76 (talk) 08:41, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Swatis are respectable people but of non Pashtun or non Afghan origin. Some of them keep lieing about their race by calling themselves as Yusufzais, Bettanis, Bani Israel meaning Jews which everyone now knows isnot correct as all Jews even in Israel are Askenazis. Their mention in these books:-

1. HISTORY OF AFGHANS BY DORN B. 2. HAZARA GAZETTEER 3. THE KINGDOM OF CAUBAL BY ALPHINSTONE 4. MILITARY PAPERS OF THE BRITISH RAJ 5. OTHER GGOs

has been categorical as "non Afghan or non Pashtun race". However, they are always seen claiming over internet and even now through self written books since 60s as Afghans or Pashtuns.

The tribe was recorded however by all as Pasteurized race due to affinities with Afghans after their fall in Swat at hands of Yusufzai Afghans.

Why do they do it ??? I would call it self-hate or being shameful of their origins. Only half of their population speaks Pashto as a first language but the other half speaks Hindko language. Regards Azmarai76 (talk) 11:06, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Which Bettanis are Swatis

Tattha, Wraspoon and Dhana are the subtribe of Bettanis if Swatis are Bettanis bro please tell me which subsection of Bettanis are they from ??? Regards Azmarai76 (talk) 10:10, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Onething lies on race is something only ignorants can do but people watch. Regards Azmarai76 (talk) 10:12, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

don't you have books like tazkara of Roshan Khan or Swati pakhtuns by Fazal Mehmood Khan !!!! thats not my mistake or let me send you a copy but thats in pashto and you are unable to read it so keep calm brother abdali .... Regards Haider khan10 (talk) 10:13, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

in hazara gazetteer the topic was other pashtuns and under it swatis are mentioned !!! tell me one thing are you abdali or durrani??? take care Haider khan10 (talk) 10:15, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

keep in touch i will send you some other resources also to feel you comfortable about Great Swatis .. take care azmarai by the way may i know your name to call ?? Haider khan10 (talk) 10:17, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Abdul Ghani khan, a Pashto poet and philosopher (late) share the opinion. He considers the Pashtuns as a mixture of many races that came through their areas from central Asia. Suddum (mardan) , Khyber (Peshawar) and elum (swat) are the places, which resemble in names those of bani Israel. Mir afzal khan Jadoon is of the opinion that the features as well as the habits of the Pashtuns resemble those of the Jews. Apart from the clans of Karlanr and mati, Jadoons, Tanolis and Swatis are similar to the Jews in their dwelling and clothes. I hope, you would have heard about this. What would you say if we see Pashtuns from the theory of Henry Walter Bellew (1834-92), who had already connected Pashtuns from Rajputs? What were their crendentials for Pashtuns? What would be the case or to adjust Pashtuns if we had to believe in that theory or majortiy of tribes if the situation was otherwise? Pathan, Rohilla, Sulemani, Khurasani, Afghani are the names which we have been awarded already, but dejectedly to find Pashto speaking Pashtuns! They were here just to made distinction among great Pashtun tribes for their own incentives/targets/goals, they knew they couldn't subdue them ever, so let them divide and rule. A pashto proverb "Mula che sa wai hagha kawa - Che sa kai hagha ma kawa". Another one also, "Wai Cha Akhpala - Biya Gila Sala". I hope you must be a Pashtun, not Pathan. ~Thanks~ azmarai sab Haider khan10 (talk) 10:22, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Bro I asked one simple question to which you writing hundreds of words.... which Bettani subsection is Swati tribe from ??? Azmarai76 (talk) 10:41, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Mavlawi Sahib

I told you I am Azmarai Popal. Why do you keep asking the same thing again and again. Your speech and the way you argue without reason by becoming Pashtun which you aren't makes me feel that Qais is bad enough for you a folklore like you said that you become his descendant. But seems like you were educated by a Mavlawi Sahib or someone in your line must be from religious madras. Regards Azmarai76 (talk) 11:42, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

why are you hiding your identity your name, you must be a pathan of without pashto, i have told you to join pashto classes or be pathan rohilla khurasani etc ... stoop defaming madras now ... you azmarai fake Haider khan10 (talk) 11:45, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Well I did recognize you well right ?? Mavlawi Sahib Regards Azmarai76 (talk) 11:47, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Which Bettani subsection are Swatis from

I asked one question to your claim and start fighting. Therefore, tell me which Bettani subsection are Swatis from and do provide a reference also them written as from that part of Bettani Confederate. Tazkara by Roshan Khan is mute on which subtribe of Bettanis are Swatis from. Regards Azmarai76 (talk) 11:51, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Be proud of Pashto

Really be proud of Pashto as Yusufzais had struggled well to teach you this language. Regards understable.... Azmarai76 (talk) 12:01, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Edit warring at Swati (Pashtun tribe)

Hello User:Haider khan10. Both you and User:Azmarai76 have broken the WP:Three revert rule at Swati (Pashtun tribe) by making four reverts of the article within 24 hours. Can you explain why you shouldn't be blocked from editing Wikipedia? EdJohnston (talk) 15:29, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Well you are watching everything yourself user Haider Khan has been able to give us one single reason why Swatis are Pashtuns per se. All the books he quoted I have pasted their links verifiable online when this tribe has been mentioned as non Pashtun and non Afghan tribe. Plus his personal attacks level is there for everyone to see. Just ask him if he thinks Swatis are from Bettani Conglomerate please ask him to tell us which subtribe as each and everything in Pakistan has been added to official database. Regards Azmarai76 (talk) 15:49, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

He has just been telling me to accept without even answering once my question as to why exactly Swatis are Bettanis.

He mentioned Hazara Gazetteer has recorded them Pashtuns I provided online link to that.

He mentioned Maj. Ravertys Notes on Afghanistan and Baluchistan I provided online link to that also. Both these sources have recorded Swatis as non Afghans and non Pashtuns.

He earlier made an edit that Swatis are progeny of one Qais Abdur Rasheed. Afterwards he claimed they are Bettanis when I ask which clan of Bettanis he has no idea to it. Regards Azmarai76 (talk) 16:12, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Swatis are respectable people but of non Pashtun or non Afghan origin. Some of them keep lieing about their race by calling themselves as Yusufzais, Bettanis, Bani Israel meaning Jews which everyone now knows isnot correct as all Jews even in Israel are Askenazis. Their mention in these books:-

1. HISTORY OF AFGHANS BY DORN B. 2. HAZARA GAZETTEER 3. THE KINGDOM OF CAUBAL BY ELPHINSTONE 4. MILITARY PAPERS OF THE BRITISH RAJ 5. OTHER GGOs

has been categorical as "non Afghan or non Pashtun race". However, they are always seen claiming over internet and even now through self written books since 60s as Afghans or Pashtuns.

The tribe was recorded however by all as Pashtunized race due to latter affinities with Afghans after their fall in Swat at hands of Yusufzai Afghans.

Why do they do it ??? I would call it self-hate or being shameful of their origins. Only half of their population speaks Pashto as a first language but the other half speaks Hindko language. Regards Azmarai76 Azmarai76 (talk) 16:15, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

He doesn't make disruptive edits to this page but others like main Pashtun page, Bettanis page and others. If you ask him which subtribe of Bettanis do Swatis descend from with a reference verifiable online that would be wonderful. Regards Azmarai76 (talk) 16:18, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

I just want such editors from falsification as in Pakistan people use Wikipedia for promoting their point of view for further references to write books to make little money. Regards Azmarai76 (talk) 16:21, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

if this user azmarai wants to see swati bitani tribal tree then he should see a book of Khan roshan khan tazkara and another one Pakhtun Tribe Swati by Fazal Mehmood Khan....i dont believe in so called self made patrimoneal line written by niamatullah hirvi but as opponent insisted, i sent some references. pashtun will be consider pashtun if he is pashto speaking with same cultute traditions customs etc, these basics made nations, blood line only matters in khels like sections only....one progenitor of the whole huge tribe will not be even remote corners of the world.... . Thanks Haider khan10 (talk) 17:06, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Bro don't believe in nothing if you are really Bettani which subtribe are you from ??? I have seen Bittani subtribes and Swatis count nowhere in three subtribes they have. Regards Azmarai76 (talk) 17:44, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Do you know why I'm confronting you today as you have been falsifying Pashtun and Afghan pages since years. Regards Azmarai76 (talk) 17:48, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Edits of Swatis page

Bro answer just the few queries I have asked and then become Pashtun or Hazara or a anything but do enlighten us with your knowledge.

Which Bettanis are Swatis ???

Why do you whine all the time everywhere with answering questions???

I told you if you tell me answers to above two questions I am all for your stance. Regards Azmarai76 (talk) 17:41, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Hindko speaking Swatis

Do you mean Hindko speaking Swatis arent Pashtuns as you added yourself to the article that members of this tribe speak Hindko also. Are they Pashtuns or something else ?? Regards Azmarai76 (talk) 17:47, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Continued edit warring at Swati (Pashtun tribe)

thats unfair every body knows that Swatis are pashto speaking pashtuns even if some of them speak hindko they also speak pashto at homes as their mother tongue but azmarai even dosn't know a sigle word of pasto but classed himself as pashtun, without any culture customs etc......Thnaks Haider khan10 (talk) 21:18, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Roshan khan roshan a famour author of pashtuns mentioned them in batani list, nevertheless i don't beleieve in these fables !!! Haider khan10 (talk) 21:21, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 48 hours for edit warring. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions.

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Continued after my above warning. If this doesn't end soon, indefinite blocks should be considered. EdJohnston (talk) 18:16, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

ok thanks .... Haider khan10 (talk) 21:29, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

With this new August 13th edit are you continuing the previous edit war as to this tribe being Pashtun? Is it time to block your account indefinitely? EdJohnston (talk) 21:44, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

I thought after being unblocked i m free to edit with some reference ... Regards Haider khan10 (talk) 21:55, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Thats what i had written on Swati Pashtun's talk page ... Swatis are Pashtuns according to almost all authors, were being discussed on any book written on Pashtuns, some mentioned them as Pashtuns without any doubt, some reckoned them of turco-tajik tribes, some have the opinion from arabs aryans indians etc, who had assimilated amnog Pashtu speaking tribes so wud be considered as Pashtuns as same as like ghaljis and whole Bhitani tribes because the progenitor of ghalji was a turk prince..one cannot solve the same issue with two different scales...if we follow just follow patrimonial line for pashtuns then we will have to remove all Bhitani tribes out of pashtun list, because blood wise he was a turkish prince..another point is that karlani another son of qais baba was an adopted son, not a real one then how wud karlani be real pashtuns without any blood line...but today we can observed that Graet ghaljis and Karlanis are more pashtuns than any other tribes....there ate different views that who are pashtuns, tribes assimilated in them is tribal view is more convincing than lineal view .. Regards: Haider khan10 (talk) 20:20, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Famous author intellectual from Swat pervez Shaheen yousafzai wrote a book name "ancient tribe of Swat Swati Pashtun". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Haider khan10 (talk • contribs) 21:09, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Another book "Pashtun Tribes in urdu written by Kamran Ahmed Sohadarvi, he describes almost all Pashtun Tribes including Swati Pashtuns also....Regards Haider khan10 (talk) 22:10, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

If you don't undo your last change at Swati (Pashtun tribe) I am planning to go ahead with the block. EdJohnston (talk) 02:00, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

He won't as he destroys and don't understand why he makes edits all the time to pages like Bettani and even main Pashtun page.

The other editors have to keep undoing his changes. Seems like he is trying to make his case only for this tribe to be at least seen as Afghans over internet if not on ground. Regards Azmarai76 (talk) 02:51, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

@EdJohnston if you please undo his last edit yourself you have now seen his modus operandi yourself and it's not this page alone. Regards Azmarai76 (talk) 04:23, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

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Swatis aren't Pushtuns or Afghans

Yes why not omit them.... or not but this tribe isn't Pashtun. Swatis are half Pashto speaking tribe that is ethinically not Pashtuns or Afghans at all while you omit those tribes I would suggest to please place this article as it was before.... People with origins don't build identities on arguements rather they are recorded. Azmarai76 (talk) 14:25, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

Neemcha "Biddulph" and Denzil Ibettson " they try to hide their origins " which a bunch of you are still doing .... hahaha ..... shuma Afghan nesti.... chura Bettani waa Qais baba.... Azmarai76 (talk) 12:47, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Bacha e mosh sher naa shudi fehmedi ??? Azmarai76 (talk) 12:48, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Bacha .... meta av biraqsa.... qavara raaa shi ku to amadi wa dva afghani wa pushtoon boden Mekong....... tar bezan Azmarai76 (talk) 03:41, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

ya zama wrora ka sa kha dy owayal nu kush hala usy ao ka chry bud de ovail nu pa ta dy wapas shii..........Haider khan10 (talk) 05:28, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Limit yourself to what you agreed to and said yourself:" swatis are Pashtuns culturally only" I am expecting a reference to that???? No need to copy and paste the things you have already written. Azmarai76 (talk) 08:32, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Fiberlink won't keep you hidden and what you have been doing at internet by distorting the facts everywhere...... you aren't getting away with it this time. Azmarai76 (talk) 08:37, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Bacha e khar ....dar jama e Asp .... asp na shudi .....

Limit yourself to what you agreed to and said yourself:" swatis are Pashtuns culturally only" I am expecting a reference to that???? No need to copy and paste the things you have already written. Azmarai76 (talk) 08:46, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

To bachagak e qomandan asti .... dega .... uora khush Mekona .... ijtibaah koni kaa tu shamil shudan dar Afghanha was Pashtunha faqat Daroghgoi dari. Azmarai76 (talk) 08:53, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Remember you admitted

1. Swatis aren't Bettanis

2. Aren't descendants of Qais as you say he is a fable.

3. Swatis are Pashtuns only culturally.

Therefore, find us references to point 3 above only. Azmarai76 (talk) 10:20, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Mr. Neemcha as Biddulph called you, now you want that Hindko speaking ones amongst you should be termed non Swatis????

You have lost it....... Bacha e qomandam...... tar bezan shuma peeda chakidar sho . .. hich pashtun chakidar misal e to pashtun Boden e to ijaza nameti...... Azmarai76 (talk) 13:12, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Fehmidi yaa ney Azmarai76 (talk) 14:35, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

pls brother try to understand that i beleive in tribal view which contains language customs land etc. Haider khan10 (talk) 20:58, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

It's not about what you believe in and what you want...... it's all about facts....... tar bezan.... va ijtibaah Mekona kaa tu Afghanha vaa Pushtunh ast ... qawara raa sahi ku ... Azmarai76 (talk) 05:19, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Remember you admitted

1. Swatis aren't Bettanis

2. Aren't descendants of Qais as you say he is a fable.

3. Swatis are Pashtuns only culturally.

Therefore, find us references to point 3 above only. Azmarai Azmarai76 (talk) 05:12, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

I have even started doubting that "serving the common cause" is what Pashtuns revolve around. I hope you know the meaning of it. Azmarai76 (talk) 19:05, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Bacha e qomandam shalwar raa sahi ko chura Zarad khu naa shudi??? Pashtun hahaha..... Azmarai76 (talk) 19:28, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Qavarat raaa saahi ko kuja pashtunhaa av khujaa to bacha e saag Azmarai76 (talk) 20:13, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Don't you have a paternal line nor you believe in paternal lines .... Azmarai76 (talk) 10:51, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

I had asked him questions like what's MDS Analysis???? He didn't answer as he couldn't which subtribe of Bettanis are Swatis from.... I still hope I will get answers to those questions. Pashtuns are people with nice recorded conglomerates not anyone who learns Pashto can enter them especially who doesn't believe in paternal lines.... as you admitted yourself.... but I want people to get credible info on Wikipedia. Azmarai76 (talk) 16:13, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

Not going anywhere..... whine Azmarai76 (talk) 16:17, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

are you sure there was no Qais and it's a lie as you are saying and now from Yusufzais you have finally decided you are a Bettani after 15 years because Bettanis are well recorded tribe and believe in paternal lines and not like you don't...... Azmarai76 (talk) 14:10, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

and now within three days your plans are to become Ghizai in future... .. Azmarai76 (talk) 14:11, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Madarat khu para para shavi o bride khiyal ku .... if mekhawahi Pashtun shudi shu Pashtun bar oo begir..... Azmarai76 (talk) 07:58, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

I will suggest him to don't make an unknown man father, please be happy with your own real father "friend "..there is no evidence of qais baba in any hadith or history book ever gone to Mandina to see prophet, if no where in Hadith then rest of the story would be so fable, just imagine, do he has any answer of it?? Without Pashto his so called father can't make him pashtun, yes he can be an afghani but Pashtun never. As far as Swati Pashtuns concerned, they are in millions speaking Pashto and follow pashtunwali, not like my afghani friend who has nothing left but just a co-called unknown father!! Insha Allah I will never allow him to make discrimination amongst Pashtuns like as he did for so many times!!! Cultural view about great Pashtuns is most accepted view in academic circles and no one can ignore the importance of it...more to come.......... This is what you think of Pashtuns and Qais ...... Azmarai76 (talk) 12:21, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

If you believe as above why do think Swatis are Pashtuns???? Azmarai76 (talk) 12:22, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

Haider khan10 Well Qais is our ancestor but why did you make him ancestor of Swatis ??? A few days ago. Azmarai76 (talk) 12:33, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

SOR META QOMANDAN BACHA AV SHOY PASHTUN BEGIR BAR KAY PASHTUN JOR SHAVI.... HAZAR MISL MA HUZUR DASHTI KAY TURA PUSHTUN MEKONI Azmarai76 (talk) 16:10, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

pidram mosh maa sher hahahaha...... I don't believe in any lines.... Azmarai76 (talk) 16:48, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

Ter bizaan ..... Azmarai76 (talk) 16:49, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

You will get all the chance to defend you stance in front of professionals in dispute resolution so wait for it and I will also be there to defend my stance now let's see what they make out of it. Azmarai76 (talk) 03:47, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

Sorry bro we can't make you a Pashtun as you aren't Sarbanrs, Karlanris, Bettanis and Ghorghusts which you do try to be ..... I hope you remain a Swati as you are born. I am happy you have admitted you aren't related to Qais or any of his ancestors. I am also happy you don't value the books that have presented wrong info on this tribe.... Great.... Azmarai76 (talk) 15:10, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

It just takes you two seconds to call a person "unknown ancestor" and " Qais baba" ????? What manners what nice Indic culture.... Actions really speak louder than words.

Azmarai76 (talk) 15:59, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

Are you dardic (kohistani)

I just saw your comments on Swatis page and edit wars.... due to your nosey nature they have put dardic (kohistani) to swatis and chances for you to become an Afghan has gone done to zero now. Your edit war brought bad name to this tribe and if I were you and had little I would now try to get it corrected. But sadly you won't do it people like you can just bring bad name to their tribes. Putting 'or' is enough for people with good knowledge of English which I am afraid I don't see in you what 'or' means...... shame on you 182.177.187.111 (talk) 19:37, 5 October 2022 (UTC)