User talk:Gurther

Greetings, fellow Wikipedians

Just like many other users, we have a few ground rules for those who wish to comment here, if you violate those rules your section or post will be deleted and probably ignored, the rules are:

Proper grammar - Usually i dont judge people for grammatical errors but if you have lots of grammatical errors it will be a diffucult reaching anything or discussin' 'bout issues.
Assume good faith - If i make an edit that you don't like, make sure to remember that we all make mistakes, and that we all have diffrent views and opinions.
Spam - Nobody likes getting spammed, especially in their talk page.
POV - If you make sections all because your POV isn't satisfied or you want to promote your theory more then others, it will be deleted
Unrelated - If its about an article issue, then its better to contact me in the articles talk page, not here.
Accusation, threats and other similar things - Creating sections to threaten me is forbidden and might be reported for harrasment.

Note: If you made a section and i add a new rule and your section violates it, it will still be kept and archived since nobody can see the future.

Archives

Archive 1

This page has archives. Sections older than 90 days may be automatically archived by when more than 5 sections are present.

May 2023

Your recent editing history shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war; read about how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you do not violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. Jingiby (talk) 09:19, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop your disruptive editing.

If you are engaged in an article content dispute with another editor, discuss the matter with the editor at their talk page, or the article's talk page, and seek consensus with them. Alternatively you can read Wikipedia's dispute resolution page, and ask for independent help at one of the relevant noticeboards.
If you are engaged in any other form of dispute that is not covered on the dispute resolution page, seek assistance at Wikipedia's Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents.

If you continue to disrupt Wikipedia, you may be blocked from editing. Jingiby (talk) 09:28, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please be careful about what you say to people. Some remarks, such as your addition to edit summary can easily be misinterpreted, or viewed as harassment. Wikipedia is a supportive environment, where contributors should feel comfortable and safe while editing. Thank you. Jingiby (talk) 10:45, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Notice of edit warring noticeboard discussion

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring regarding a possible violation of Wikipedia's policy on edit warring. The thread is Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#User:Gurther reported by User:StephenMacky1 (Result: ). Thank you. StephenMacky1 (talk) 13:51, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Indefinitely blocked

I've indefinitely blocked you for disruptive editing, including edit-warring at multiple articles, most recently at Dimitar Vlahov based on a report at WP:AN3, personal attacks (calling other editors racist and vandals), and the inability to collaborate with other editors. See WP:GAB for your appeal rights.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:04, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

UTRS appeal #82650 is closed.

As it sits, this is better than most I see. You will need however need to post it to your talk page. You could probably just copy this over and put it in an unblock template. That is to say, please place the following at the bottom of your talk page, filling in "Your reason here " with what you posted here

{{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.

Best, -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 20:19, 21 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Appeal

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Gurther (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

I originally send an appeal through the ticket boot but an administrator had insisted i send it here, so thats where i'll be placing it, I was banned on 25 May, 2023, for the reason of violating the 3RR rule and personal attacks, that was nearly half a year ago and since then i've practiced my editing skills in my native language Wikipedia and have done over 2000+ edits and i've learned the problematic behaviour i had in my days on the english wikipedia, most of my edits were rough and somewhat problematic, but since then i've learned how to properly manage heated discussions and how to discuss with users in a more friendly and open fashion, i've changed for the better and i vow to the administrator of Wikipedia that i've improved and would never repeat such problematic actions. I would also like to apologize for all my past actions and to any user who felt wronged by by edits i sincerely apologize to them aswell. Hope the administrators can overlook my troubling past and perhaps give me a second chance, thank you. Gurther (talk) 20:19, 21 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Decline reason:

Per the discussion below, you have not shown you have significantly changed your behavior. - UtherSRG (talk) 14:55, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

Sorry to intrude before the admins. As I follow the edits of this editor on Macedonian Wikipedia from time to time, I do not find any change in his style and behavior. Not only that. For example, in his Sandbox 3 on Wikipedia Simple English, one can see the preparation of an article on the Internal Macedonian Revolutionary Organization. For example, there is such claim: Despite the organization being pro-Macedonian and advocating pro-Macedonian ideals many Bulgarian historians consider it as Bulgarian, this is mostly due to the anti-Macedonian opinion in Bulgarian media created by the known xenophobic dictator Todor Zhivkov. The article is in his biased style that he had before and has nothing to do with the article on the English Wikipedia - Internal Macedonian Revolutionary Organization. The article here claims something completely different: The organization was founded in 1893 in Ottoman Thessaloniki by a small band of anti-Ottoman Macedono-Bulgarian revolutionaries, who considered Macedonia an indivisible territory and all of its inhabitants "Macedonians", no matter their religion or ethnicity. In practice, IMRO was established by Bulgarians and most of their followers were Bulgarians. Thanks. Jingiby (talk) 21:32, 21 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Jingiby I've changed my activities, but the the sandbox that i've been preparing sticks to the sources present in the books and literature i could access, my main reason for being banned was due to terrible behaviour and violating 3RR, i've improved on that aspect and now im in a more better manner, if you dont like the style of the article please make sure to send a petition or contact me so we can correct it and make more better quality articles, thank you for co-operating Gurther (talk) 21:49, 21 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not convinced about that at all. Your last edit from December 15 in the article in question about IMRO is far from any objectivity. It is said that Hristo (Tatarchev) the founder of the organization made it very clear that autonomy was only the first step of freedom for the Macedonians and that underneath the autonomy plan was a secret plan for creating a free Macedonian state. In fact per Hristo Tatarchev, their demand for autonomy was motivated not by an attachment to the idea of Macedonian national identity or the like, but out of concern that an explicit agenda of direct unification with Bulgaria would provoke other small Balkan states and the Great Powers to action against Bulgaria. Macedonian autonomy, in other words, can be seen as a tactical diversion, or as plan of subsequent unification with Bulgaria. For more see: Ipek Yosmaoğlu, Blood Ties: Religion, Violence and the Politics of Nationhood in Ottoman Macedonia, 1878–1908, Cornell University Press, 2013, pp. 15-16. Jingiby (talk) 08:34, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Jingiby, I'm sorry to tell you this but this is not at all related to the current appeal, please open a discussion on this matter on the talk page of the article or contact me on my talk page of the wiki, secondly this is in a completely different language Wikipedia. This is about my unblocking not about the article, if you do have any further comments regarding my unblocking appeal please state them. Gurther (talk) 09:06, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Finally, on the Macedonian Wikipedia, has continued your disruptive editing style aiming to removе any ties with Bulgaria of people who were undoubtedly related to it on a personal level. This is the same, you was doing here before you was blocked. For example, with this edit from December of the article about Venko Markovski, you have deleted the text describing him also as a Bulgarian poet. This is given that most of his work is written in Bulgarian language. I think you didn't change anything in your editing style on Macedonian Wikipedia. Greetings. Jingiby (talk) 09:30, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Jingiby Please calm down, those acts were more then 3 months ago and once again completely unrelated, the edit regarding Venko was removed due to those poems not being written in literature Bulgarian, if you were to see his poems (which he published in Illustration Ilinden) you could notice how they lack Bulgarian literature but infact are more of a mix of Macedonian and Bulgarian, the only thing he did in Bulgarian was Goli Otok if you would check my profile on the Macedonian Wikipedia you would notice how most of my edits are reverts of vandals. You seem to have a negative view towards me for past actions, which although i disagree with i understand, but that was in the past, it is now time for the now. Gurther (talk) 09:40, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

What I see as one of your last edits on Macedonian Wikipedia is disruptive one, as there is not even a comment on your actions. Just blind revert. Jingiby (talk) 10:42, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Jingiby, this is minor nitpicking, if you were to see what i reverted you would notice how its a programming error left by the user who accidently forgot to add a border using the source editor, i don't understand your point here, i think anyone who was viewing my edits can clearly understand why it was reverted. Gurther (talk) 10:46, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing of the kind. Jingiby (talk) 10:50, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Jingiby, here is the version of the article when that user edited and here is my revert his mistake sticks out like a sore thumb. I would like to ask as to how is this evidence that i have not improved? Gurther (talk) 10:54, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I don't unblock users at UTRS cause there needs to be community visibility, and sometimes input. I'll ping the blocking admin, but as you cited your edits on another project and those edits seem problematical as well... . Well, we'll see. That this has languished so long shows I was right to defer it here.

DFO waves at @Bbb23:, ducks, runs, and hides. No, seriously. Does this even come close? (Drat, I'm tired. I broke the ping.)-- Deepfriedokra (talk) 01:10, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, take a look here, please. On Macedonian Wikipedia Gurther has reverted my edits, I have done after the conversation above. This, without any reasonable edit-summary. He has deleted even the external links I have added there, containing the opinion of the Macedonian historian Academician Ivan Katardžiev, having claimed illogically and without any reliable source in the corresponding Macedonian article, the first statute of the IMRO was allegedly a forgery. This is a grotesque censorship. There is no change in the disruptive editing style of this editor. Jingiby (talk) 03:42, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Jingiby, Katardzhiev would later go back on his opinions, this is mentioned in the article, this is minor nitpicking for no reason. Gurther (talk) 15:04, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User Jingiby has a troubling history regarding the Macedonian wikipedia, he has been banned multiple times for disrupting admins and threatning them while also vandalizing multiple articles. this user has developed anti-viewpoints towards the Macedonian Wikipedia, even in some messages falsely claiming that the Macedonian wikipedia is owned by the Macedonian political party VMRO-DPMNE or that some of the admins are directly payed by the party [1], this user also often discriminates towards other Macedonians especially in the Bulgarian wikipedia, for example, he threaten to ban me purely because i used Macedonian on my talk page in the Bulgarian wikipedia, despite the fact that the Bulgarian wikipedia considers Macedonian a "Bulgarian dialect". I believe that this user should not be further mixed into this matter since he has some form of prejudice. I want neutral figures to review my appeal, not someone who has clearly been misbehaving. Gurther (talk) 15:09, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

On the Macedonian Wikipedia, almost all Bulgarian editors have been blocked sometimes due to their special treatment there. But for the first time I saw a Macedonian editor being blocked on the Macedonian Wikipedia for bulgarophobia. This was you and this is an unique case in the last 15 years. Jingiby (talk) 17:47, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Jingiby, you are now claiming that the Macedonian wikipedia purposefully bans Bulgarian editors due to their views, you are spreading fringe views in a conversation completely unrelated to the topic, you have a incorrect bias towards a wikipedia which you think is problematic solely on the matter that they do not go along with your political views, this is not how Wikipedia users should behave, this is a pure propaganda campaign from your side. My ban was perfectly reasonable and no where has it been stated that it was bulgarophobia, you seem to add terms to go along with your fringe theory and it should be corrected. Either stick to the topic or ill start deleting completely unrelated messages to the subject. This is my final warning. Gurther (talk) 18:29, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]