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Your username

Hi Grutness, just stopped by to say that I don't know why but I love your username. This word, Grutness, should be included in English dictionary and should mean the dogged determination to do something. Well, don't ask me why. I know it is just a weird thought. - DSachan (talk) 20:32, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi DSachan - glad you like it. It's actually a place in Scotland (see Grutness). I spotted it while looking through an atlas several years ago and started using it as the name of a small magazine I was editing. It sort of stuck, and now I use it both for my art (see here and as a username online, both in Wikipedia and elsewhere. Grutness...wha? 01:32, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Stubbing

Hi Grutness,thanks for the heads-up about the accepted convention.I actually thought stub tags should be added at the top so that readers can contribute if they can,on seeing a very visible tag.Guess I was wrong. :) EaswarH (talk) 08:14, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

FYI

You participated in a discussion, on which I have now made a proposal. Please see Wikipedia_talk:Stub#Lines_before_stub_template if you like. Debresser (talk) 16:56, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Removal of PROD from Jaz

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Hello Grutness

I saw your edit to Lisa Vidal and I told myself, "Wow, I haven't seen Grutness around here for sometime". I am sorry to learn about your health problems, but I can certainly understand how the stress created by a person's work here can affect someone's health. Anyway, take care of yourself because you are truly one of the great ones. Tony the Marine (talk) 00:54, 28 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

replied on Tony's talk page. Grutness...wha?

Southland

Perhaps the search term "Southland" returns many links to the "Southland Region" when you are using Google New Zealand (http://www.google.co.nz) but the US version of Google (http://www.google.com) returns many pages of links to the very popular NBC TV show Southland -- it is by far the number one item. I see no mention of the Southland Region of New Zealand until the sixth page, where the Wikipedia page finally shows up.

Leaflet (talk) 01:07, 28 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The US version of google seems to be the only one which returns the TV series first. And the article on that series has long been at Southland (TV series) simply because it wasn't the primary use of the term. In any case, as I said, over 90% of the links to Southland were to the place in New Zealand - the TV series wasn't even second on that list: The Southland, an area of Los Angeles, was. Grutness...wha? 01:15, 28 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Where can I drop a list?

I want to start putting 'entire list of templates ending in -stub' somewhere central for you guys. Maybe even having a DBR bot update it weekly. Where would the best place for this to go? –xeno^talk 18:10, 29 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please see this discussion which is related to a proposed change to {{Recent death}}. An example of how this change would appear is on this userpage. --Brian McNeil /^talk 00:16, 31 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Award

		The Kakapo Award
		In recognition of all your New Zealand-related work, I award you the Kakapo award. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:48, 9 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! I shall move it to a safe pace when I next archive here. Much appreciated! :) Grutness...wha? 01:39, 10 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Backlogs at WikiProject Stub sorting

Hello, Grutness. Since I recall you're active to stub sorting jobs per {{Korea-cuisine-stub}}, I'm drawing your attention to the backlogs at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals/2009/September. Thanks.--Caspian blue 16:44, 9 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your note.

It is very much appreciated. Rich Farmbrough, 09:55, 10 September 2009 (UTC).[reply]

Swaminarayan stubs

I noticed that you have recently removed Swaminarayan stub templates from various articles. Kindly note that I have reverted the same as it is important the stubs are marked for WP:Swaminarayan. If all these are marked as Swaminarayan stubs, then members of the WP can easily see which articles need expansion. Around The Globe^{सत्यमेव जयते} 11:19, 10 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry was unaware of all this procedure - this stub type was not created by me - I noticed it as v wer using it fr the WP. Around The Globe

^{सत्यमेव जयते} 11:33, 10 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, wil go thru tht with the other project members. Around The Globe^{सत्यमेव जयते} 11:39, 10 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Drei Schwestern

Are you sure Kuhgrat is part of the Drei Schwestern? I have a map which implies that whilst there are 3 peaks in a row east of Schaan it is the northernmost of these that is Drei Schwestern and Garsellakopf and Kuhgrat are separate mountains. This page certainly gives heights for the secondary peaks of Drei Schwestern that don't match the heights of Garsellakopf and Kuhgrat. JMiall ₰ 21:26, 11 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The "Delicious Tuesday"

This was an article dedicated to something recently invented by myself and a few friends. I felt it was explained clearly and was not "patent nonsense". I would enjoy some kind of explanation as to its removal. I remain with an open mind Enickx (talk) 01:20, 15 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest you read WP:NFT. That should provide all the necessary information for why the article was deletable. Grutness...wha? 01:26, 15 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Australian Open?

Hello, I did this to keep the chain unbroken in the infoboxes, which go look at the 1985 Australian Open and 1987 Australian Open, which no longer is connected! If you got a better solution, I would love to see it!98.240.44.215 (talk) 01:21, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, i can see the problem. Creating a stub just so as to say "this didn't exist" is definitely frowned upon in Wikipedia though. I've left a message on the talkpage of that template - hopefully someone will have a better solution. Grutness...wha?

Squash (sport) → Squash

You are invited to participate in a discussion at Talk:Squash Arteyu ? _{Blame it on me !} 17:18, 24 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Your concerns

I have made my points on Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Over-zealous NPPer. I hope that is ok with you. 13:28, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

botanic-garden-stub and arboretum-stub

Grutness, I just got back from a family shindig and saw your comments from this weekend on my talk page and WP:WPSS/P. As you have suggestions on wpss, I'll respond to them there. --Rosiestep (talk) 18:35, 28 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi

Hi (Glad to find a stub-sorter). Can you please determine if the Superman: Ultimate Flight article is a stub? I find it more than ten sentences, but at the bottom, it indicates that the article is a stub. Chevy Impala 2009 (Sign me!) 01:09, 3 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi 2

Hi,

Thank you for your support.

I just come to subscribe to the wikipedia program. I know that my article about this journalist doesn't cite any references. This is why I would like to add the external links that I have found, for writing my article. But the problem is: I don't know how to add them to the article.

I would like to add, also a picture of this journalist who died 10 years ago now. I am the owner of this photo. I have permission to post this photo. How can I do?

Thank you in advance, for your understanding,

Sarah —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sarah Dimanta (talk • contribs) 17:38, 3 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Template:PHHstubfooter

Hi, sorry, Template:PHHstubfooter was my fault, it is used for the page random content stubs to expand. And I was in a scheme to create this subpage, so I misnamed. Thanks for fixing. Cheers. Sebastian scha. (talk) 10:03, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I apologise for my obsession with duck stubs two years ago

Stephen J. Brooks (talk) 23:52, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No problem - to be honest I'd forgotten all about it. Ancient history -but thakns for the apology anyway :) Grutness...wha? 05:08, 10 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for 1979 Abbotsford landslip

On October 11, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article 1979 Abbotsford landslip, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page _{(here's how)} and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

JamieS93 21:28, 11 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

1500 views. Not bad, but no banana. Grutness...wha?

bethune's gully

i'm sure the controversial part was templated. nice filling-in you did! hope you have a great walk there soon - i'm a dunedin writer (for now) myself. Kasyapa (talk) 21:51, 20 October 2009 (UTC)kasyapa[reply]

viceregal rulers

I am not sure patriarchs of Constantinople are even "rulers"-- but if they are-- the Roman Pope is considered a monarch.
Regents are viceregal rulers, e.g. Category:10th-century viceregal rulers-- but let be know of any you find. Some monarchs were regents first. ^{Carlaude:Talk} 02:36, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Why are you deleting historical data?

Can you give a reason other than your personal stance on religion for deleting "# List of nontheists (surnames E to G) and

List of nontheists (surnames H to K)?

Rebturtle (talk) 07:50, 29 October 2009 (UTC) RebTurtle[reply]

Sure. Both lists were completely empty - there were no names on the lists. That's why they were deleted CSD-A3 ("no meaningful substantive content"). The entirety of the second of those articles, at the time of its deletion, was one line: "Atheists with surnames starting H to K, sortable by the field for which they are mainly known and nationality" plus a cleanup template.

As to my "personal stance", not that it's any of your business, I am a non-theist. Please don't make assumptions about a person's motives when none - other than the functionality of Wikipedia - are there. Grutness...wha? 09:41, 29 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

User:Alan Liefting

Hi Grutness, I note your posting on Alan's talk page: [1], do you think it is time to ask again? I would but I am not sure about what sort of criteria needs to be meet for a request for adminship, and I know you will! I would be willing to support a nomination :) Kiwiteen123 (talk) 08:19, 29 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Almost certainly worthwhile, and I'm sure Alan would meet all the criteria. By coincidence I asked another Kiwi today whether he'd reconsidered his earlier decision not to stand for admin, but I'd forgotten that Alan wasn't an admin yet. If you want to ask him, feel free (it's easy enough to nominate someone, and I'd definitely be keen toa dd my name to the nom. Grutness...wha? 09:46, 29 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Alan stood for adminship in 2006. I'd say that the main reason he failed was that he didn't give sufficient answers to the standard questions, and was absent from Wikipedia during the RFA, and so could not elaborate his answers to match criticism of them. I think it would have gone much better if he'd been able to respond to the first few opposes.

Undoubtedly he's a much more experienced Wikipedian now, but he does take a relatively strong deletionist position, and frequently nominates articles for speedy deletion which do not meet the criteria. He believes that the speedy deletion criteria are too narrow. I think any current RFA would meet opposition due to this; I think he would need to make an undertaking to be very conservative in deleting articles as an admin. He could campaign to change speedy deletion criteria, but he doesn't need to be an admin to do this.-gadfium 19:06, 29 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Forgive my butting in, but I agree with Gadfium's assessment. Alan makes CSD requests that are do no meet the current criteria. Frequently. Personally I agree with Alan that CSD should be widened to allow greater scope for disposal. Nevertheless in the current RfA environment any nomination of Alan for Adminship would, in my opinion, not be successful. Crafty (talk) 19:23, 29 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi all, I personally would still nominate Alan however I feel that the points you raise, Gadfium, need to be discussed in order to improve Alan's chances. Perhaps this should be moved onto its own page User talk:Kiwiteen123/Alan Liefting Nomination or similar?? But it could just stay here, I will have a look at his edits then reply to Gadfium's comment (not that I'm much of an expert), Kiwiteen123 (talk) 02:40, 30 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Closed Alan has stated on his talk page that he does not wish to be an admin. A real shame... But it's his decision! Kiwiteen123 (talk) 03:07, 30 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Usage and Abusage

Dated it is, but it is still a favourite of mine, along with Simon's Paradigms Lost. I first read the latter on a trans-Atlantic flight, chortling to myself at frequent intervals. The stranger in the seat beside me wanted to know what was so funny. I read an exerpt aloud, barely able to keep sufficient composure to form the words. When I finished, tears in my eyes, he stared at me for several seconds, then stood up, and walked towards the rear of the plane. I didn't see him again, not even when leaving the plane. True story. Thanks for the further explanation of "awhile" versus "a while"; mine lacked clarity. Bielle (talk) 02:33, 30 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Replied on Bielle's talk page. Grutness...wha?

Thank you

This troublesome paradox has now been defeated by a combination of wiki and logic. Now it is in fact correct. Many thanks. --Beligaronia (talk) 08:09, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Georgia (country) international footballers

Hi, you commented on the speedy rename nomination of the above category. I have now started a CfR to get proper consensus; the discussion can be found here. Regards, Giant Snowman 01:01, 10 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

-stubs / -stub

I thought I had moved all these, I'll double check though thanks. Waacstats (talk) 17:30, 14 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I forgot they left redirects, If these could be deleted I would be grateful. And congratulations to NZ on the 'Soccer' World cup Qualification. Waacstats (talk) 19:10, 15 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

AfD nominations

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Congratulations...

... on Caversham being today's featured article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Today%27s_featured_article/November_30,_2009 . Daveosaurus (talk) 06:05, 30 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, though it's a shame - I was deliberately holding off on nominating it until Otago Anniversdary Day - somehow it slipped through the FA process without me noticing it... Grutness...wha? 23:01, 30 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Seems that it's not only the article itself's viewcount which benefits from being on the front page - peripheral articles do too. Dunedin, the motorway, South Dunedin, Valpy, Berkshire's Caversham, the cemetery, Otago, the South Island... even New Zealand seems to have picked up some extra hits... Grutness...wha? 23:30, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not at all surprised. I quite often find myself randomly browsing things that look interesting after looking something up in Wikipedia. Daveosaurus (talk) 11:16, 2 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Southern Oscillation, Otago

Hey - I noticed your edit to the Otago page from May 10th (I know - it's been a while - I have no excuse). I was wondering if you could give me more information about how the SO yields a characteristic short cycle. I'm sincerely curious, but my initial reaction was to question whether the causality is correct.

Best, Ovis23 (talk) 20:48, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dunedin Town Hall

Dear Grutness,

I notice some changes to the article I posted about the Dunedin Town Hall. It's great to have the pictures and good to have things like the pound sign in place of the word "pound". I haven't been through them all yet to check what's happened. I did notice someone added a sentence: "The older part of the building is the only substantial Victorian town hall still in existence in New Zealand." This is sourced to a book, it's not just taken out of thin air, but I really doubt its truth. What about the Port Chalmers Town Hall for example? That's Victorian and I would have thought most people would consider it substantial.

It may be someone else put that there and I shouldn't be addressing this to you. If so, you may be able to work out better than I can where it came from.

Anyway, thanks for the contributions.

Peter Entwisle

Hello, Grutness. You have new messages at Template:Infobox building.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 16:52, 5 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've emailed a link to a smaller version of that plan to you. -- Avenue (talk) 00:39, 6 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

islands and islets

Your Grutness,

I understand you photographed Maria's paintings in Waitati today, I assume you'll send your favourite one to Nigel; if able, please send the lot to me at odtpix at same domain so I can catalogue them for Mrs Nankai (alias Maria) :-) -- Peter alias Nankai (talk) 08:05, 4 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Kosovo-geo-stub

Hi, Grutness! I just wanna ask you to unprotect Template:Kosovo-geo-stub. Vandals that reverted that are now blocked indef, and that template is last different, from all other Kosovo related templates. There are no need for protection of that now. I wanna change this () into this ().

For more, see Wikipedia:WikiProject_Kosovo/Templates, or talk to me!!

All best,

Tadija (talk) 17:55, 6 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, we will talk. Be good! Tadija (talk) 15:36, 7 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well, you are needed! :) Regarding Template:User WikiProject Kosovo, and this edit ([2]), User:IJA is highly pro Albanian, there are always problems with NPOV, we really need new WP:MOSKOS, we will see... Page talk is here (Template_talk:User_WikiProject_Kosovo). If you can, say few world about. All other templates are ok, but this one is one of the most used, protection is needed. Kosovo CoA is still there. If you have any posible question, talk to me, or to talk page! :)

Tadija (talk) 19:43, 8 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for fast reaction! I hope that this will be last one! :) All best, Tadija (talk) 00:07, 9 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sheer chance - you left the note just before I logged in for the day! Grutness...wha? 00:32, 9 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

New stubs

Could you respond to my question on creating the India-politician stubs -- here? cheers. -SpacemanSpiff 05:53, 7 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Merry Christmas

I'm going to be away for a while so....

Kiwiteen123 (talk) is wishing you a Merry Christmas! This greeting (and season) promotes WikiLove and hopefully this note has made your day a little better. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Happy New Year!

Spread the Christmas cheer by adding {{subst:Xmas3}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Thanks for your help this year, I look forward to working together next year. Kiwiteen123 (talk) 02:20, 14 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Talkback

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Talkback

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Hello

Hi Grutness. Can you help me, and say few words about kosovo templates here and here?

I have problem with one user that think that if i revert his pro-albanian flag, that i am his enemy. You know the situation, i will appreciate. All best to you, Tadija (talk) 19:06, 14 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

New York

Was there a few months ago - and forgot to get a piccie of the 'cafe wha' - I think I have a pamphlet - or it might have been entries in guideooks - memory confused - when i find it - will scan and send - cheers Satu Suro 23:44, 18 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

My apologies

I would like to offer my most sincere apologies for the incident regarding the bacon stubs category. I should've known that such inclusions need to be approved through discussion before they are created. I know that now. I just didn't know that at the time. I didn't even know that such a process existed and I would've followed the standard procedures had I known otherwise. And please understand that I wasn't actually accusing LadyofShallot of being a "busybody" (I purposely put in speechmarks for that reason), it was intended as a humorous response in reaction to the edit I linked on the discoveries page. I would NEVER otherwise refer to other editors here, especially not her, as a busybody. As of this posting, I am holding nothing against the Wikipedia policies and guidelines regarding the creation of stub categories and also never intended to go against them. I deeply apologise if it came across that way. I am also regretful of any inconvenience this incidient may have caused you. I know that the stub category team take what they do very seriously, are very good at what they do, and are highly under-appreciated for the work they do for Wikipedia.--Sky Attacker the legend reborn... 02:34, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No apologies necessary, and thanks for your kind words about stub-sorting. Stub work's a pretty obscure part of Wikipedia, and it's fairly common for stub types to be created "out of process". Most of the time it's fairly straightforward to put things right (I'd say over half of them are just accepted with no corrections or changes needed at all) - and yours certainly wasn't bad compared to some we've had over the years, so it's not a big hassle. As to the "busybody" business, yes, I later saw the quote on your talk page that started that - it's a shame it's so hard to spot when comments are tongue-in-cheek online! Grutness...wha? 04:28, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Merry Christmas

Hey James! I wish you Merry and Blessed Christmas. Have a great, happy and peaceful time, my friend and good editing in 2010. - Darwinek (talk) 14:28, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Skye Villages

You contested a proposed speedy renaming of Category:Skye Villages, so I have relisted it at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2009 December 25#Category:Skye_Villages. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:12, 25 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Politics of Kosovo

Hi, Grutness. Wanna ask you for protection of Template:Politics of Kosovo, as few users are constantly reverting versions of template. I send them notices, but no help. I think temporary full protection will end problems. And all other kosovo related templates are just fine...

All best, Tadija (talk) 15:06, 27 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

And, yes, Marry Christmas... :)

Tadija (talk)

Re: Perumal Nagar

Hi there Gruntness. I'm afraid my drone-work has declined in recent times due to other interests and lack of time. Thanks for the advice and the reference about positioning cat and stub templates. Keep up the good work yourself! - Gimboid13 (talk) 00:42, 5 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Irish maritime

Wondering why anyone would limit "This category is for articles that are directly connected to Irish Maritime." to "This category is for articles that are directly connected to the Maritime history of Ireland." particularly when many of the articles in the category are not "history"? ClemMcGann (talk) 20:14, 5 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

ok ClemMcGann (talk) 01:18, 6 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Adding coordinates for Walters Shoals

Hello, your Grutness.
Thanks for adding the {{madagascar-geo-stub}} to "my" Walters Shoals article. I also found some coordinates for the Walters Shoals here, and I tried to add them, but a strange red 'Unidentified Characters Detected' came up, so would you mind adding the coordinates for the article? --The High Fin Sperm Whale (Talk • Contribs) 02:22, 6 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Grutness...wha? 11:00, 6 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]