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Bill D'Arcy

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I would like an administrator or someone of authority to check the following edit entry which I think is good but, as there are strong opinions for and against the guilt of D'Arcy I would like it carefully checked. (Marie Doyle has since died, Bill D'Arcy is still alive strongly maintaining his innocence.)

On May 24, 2004, in the District Court of Brisbane, Bill D'Arcy was tried and convicted of three sexual offences against a student at the Logan Village School in Queensland while a teacher there in 1971. D'Arcy pleaded not guilty.

Since the trial, D'Arcy's fellow teacher from August 1970 to November 1971, Marie Doyle, has made a public statement that she believes D'Arcy to be innocent, that the actions of which he was accused were impossible, and that the police strongly pressured her to give false evidence against Bill D'Arcy.^[1]^[2]Gladiator-Citizen (talk) 07:20, 17 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The sources given are not independent reliable sources. 331dot (talk) 08:27, 17 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sam Newman

I have restored the names of the children. There are various claimants to a relationship with Sam Newman who, in Australia, is a famous personality. Correct information is important for the media and the general public and should be correct in Wikipedia.

Someone changed the correct name of Geordan back to "Jordan" . "Geordan" is correct - checked with the family

Please see WP:BLPNAME for the reason why the children's names should not be there. And note that new entries on Talk pages normally go at the bottom of the page. This is less important on your own Talk page, but still the lost common convention. HiLo48 (talk) 09:33, 29 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Dr Val Noone

I added photo of Val Noone but there is much more work still to be done.

Bill D'Arcy

28-4-2019. I added external links which I studied but have generally not included in the entry (Being careful!) There is a great deal of material in these external links I have added but I have decided not to expand the entry as some of the sources may be contentious. I have also decided to fix the disambiguation on William D'Arcy which does not include the subject.Gladiator-Citizen (talk) 23:16, 27 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Bill D'Arcy

I have done the research and expanded, I believe, an encyclopaedic balanced view. The main anomaly was the omission of the civil proceedings, and the conclusions of Judge HWH Botting which were extremely significant.

Jenny Hocking

This woman is a really distinguished scholar and I agree that the entry was not written properly and really was not worthy of her. I am slowly trying to improve it. I started on the Books section because sources and encyclopaedic information was available to me. I have made a number of other small improvements and will continue to improve it as I get more reliable information. Gladiator-Citizen (talk) 21:35, 26 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Today I edited and added references to the Introductory paragraph. Gladiator-Citizen (talk) 21:22, 28 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Today added Infobox for a writer. I think the site is much improved. Be grateful fora anyone's suggestions.Gladiator-Citizen (talk) 01:21, 31 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Just bravely and courageously removed "multiple issues". Pretty sure it is now out of that category - correct me if I am wrong.Gladiator-Citizen (talk) 01:33, 31 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

There are a few references to be finished, and I am working on it.

Celebrant (Australia)?

I have done a huge amount of work on this entry - verifiable etc Can anyone tell me how I get rid of that 2007 remark "This article has multiple issues" It would greatly improve the encyclopaedia if this 2007 warning was removed. It does not have multiple issues any more so I do not think it is fair to keep it there. Gladiator-Citizen (talk) 06:19, 25 June 2014 (UTC)Gladiator-Citizen[reply]

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Hello, I'm Quenhitran. I wanted to let you know that I undid one of your recent contributions, such as the one you made with this edit to Celebrant (Australia), because it didn’t appear constructive to me. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. ALittleQuenhi (talk to me) 06:27, 25 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

First of all, sorry for the experience you encountered. The caption you added was too long which raised the concern of misleading, and you also wrote "(Forgot Rugby League !!)" which doesn't sound encyclopedic. If you believed I was wrong or you had corrected your mistakes, it's OK to undo my edit or remove the above message. Thank you. ALittleQuenhi (talk to me) 07:23, 25 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Bill D'Arcy

The article on Bill D'Arcy was well researched with sources quoted for every factual report. My research revealed that the history of Bill D'Arcy since his incarceration has been the rising movement to chronicle the mistakes made in the Criminal Trial - the contrary conclusions of the Civil Proceedings and the increasing number of people who wish the process certified as a Miscarriage of Justice. This is the story of Bill D'Arcy. It is not a facile entry.

Hi, Gladiator-Citizen! I appreciate you are a new user to Wikipedia (not perhaps in terms of years but certainly in terms of the extent of your contributions). And I am guessing this is why you are confused about some things. On my talk page, you are asking me to restore your contributions as if I had removed them; I don't believe I have. You seem to be complaining that I have called your contributions a "mess" and/or "facile"; yet I do not believe I have said that either. If you want to see the history of the Bill D'Arcy article, it is available here (or click on the History tab at that top of the article). As you will see, my only change to this article was a formatting change to the navigation box, a "housekeeping" action I performed on a couple of hundred articles to standardise their presentation. It appears to be an anonymous editor who has most recently removed your contributions. But having said all that, it is evident that a number of people are concerned by your recent contributions, in particular that you are pushing a particular "Point of View", which is contrary to Wikipedia's policy of neutrality. Please read Wikipedia:Neutral point of view to understand this policy better. Now "point of view" can be somewhat subjective; one person's "truth" can be another person's "conspiracy theory", so to help us write articles, we have the principle of giving appropriate weight to different points of view based on the extent to which they are held and can be supported by "reliable sources". Now I have no opinion whatsoever on the subject of Bill D'Arcy and his conviction, but what I can say is that the changes you made gave far too much weight (i.e. space in the article) to the opinion that he was wrongfully convicted. Right now, in the State of Queensland, he is deemed guilty of those offences through a judgement of our highest court, which I gather rejected an appeal back in around 2004/5. The latest news on Bill D'Arcy that I can find is that in 2011 he said he was going to launch another appeal, but I can find no mention that he has done so. If he has done so, I don't see a problem briefly stating the grounds for his appeal in the article (with appropriate citations). If he hasn't launched an appeal, then I think the article should not go beyond stating that he maintains his innocence (with citations). The place to decide the substance of this matter is in the courts, not in Wikipedia. In that regard, I encourage you to read Wikipedia's policy on No Original Research (WP:NOR). Other Wikipedia policies I would encourage you to read are the policies relating to writing about living people WP:BLP which relate not just to what you say about Bill D'Arcy but about other people you mention including those who made allegations against him. Also, the policy on Verifiability (WP:VERIFY) and its discussion of what constitutes a reliable source. I don't seek to discourage you for campaigning for what you believe in, but can I suggest you create your own website or blog for that purpose. Here in Wikipedia, you have to limit yourself to what the policies allow and it seems an increasing number of people (myself included) feel what you have written went well beyond what is acceptable under Wikipedia's policies. However, this is just my opinion. If you want to gather a wider range of opinions, then you might like to seek advice at the Wikipedia:Australian Wikipedians' notice board. Or there are processes for dispute resolution (Wikipedia:Dispute resolution) which you might like to pursue if you disagree with those who have deleted your contributions. Kerry (talk) 21:04, 18 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Kerry Raymond, for your helpful reply. You raise a lot of issues - in the week that David Hicks wins his battle to have his innocence declared. But I am grateful for your engagement and if you don't mind I will get back to you shortly. I can see you are very experienced. I would be aprreciateve of your further advice before I take this to dispute resolution.Gladiator-Citizen (talk) 22:54, 19 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Dabinks!! I guess the only way to not do this is to open the page and check it. Did not quite understand all the references but I am half way there!Gladiator-Citizen (talk) 16:18, 11 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Messenger

Thank you for the Barnstar.

If by 'the book on the rowers' (including Messenger) you mean my 'Port Jackson Pullers', you can buy a copy here:

Port Jackon Pullers

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Dear Elizium23. Thanks you for your courteous correction. I would have thought that the cross reference to the actual article on Dally Messenger, which has a number of sources and citations stating the fact that he was a priest, would have been enough. But I do not know the rules regarding lists. Obviously that is not enough. I am actually working on the life of another priest, Michael Costigan, so I will pick one of the sources, when I put him on that list. Much thanks. Gladiator-Citizen (talk) 04:48, 24 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Elizium23 I have a source ^[3]. I tried to restore the previous entry from the history page but it did not happen. I would be greatly obliged if you would explain what the exact procedure is and which entry is the correct one to work on.Gladiator-Citizen (talk) 04:34, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Gladiator-Citizen, when I followed the link to the Dally Messenger article, I found that there were zero sources which corroborated the assertion that he had been laicized. It would be important for your source to treat this fact, as it were. I can find no evidence, in the "snippet view" afforded to me by Google Books, that the Parer book includes evidence of his laicization either; in fact it would seem to be negative evidence that Messenger asserts his freedom to marry despite a promise of celibacy? Elizium23 (talk) 05:02, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Much much thanks IVORK ! I am learning all the time. Peter Wright is just right! Gladiator-Citizen (talk) 02:58, 26 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Much thanks Bot ! all fixed Gladiator-Citizen (talk) 00:22, 2 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Fair enough - I forget to make those summarise all the time. Its a fair criticism - Gladiator-Citizen (talk) 03:32, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi User:Gladiator-Citizen. I notice that, based on the articles you edit/create, you seem to have a close personal connection with Dally Messenger III and Remi Barclay Messenger, and with Bill and Lois D'Arcy. Could you please confirm what that relationship is, as required by Wikipedia's conflict of interest policy? ITBF (talk) 10:29, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dear ITBF,

when I first became an “editor” in Wikipedia, I made many mistakes. I actually knew the identity of a fellow editor, and by mistake I almost revealed it. I was politely admonished.

It was explained to me that the anonymity of registered editors is a very strict rule. The reason is justifiable and excellent. Every entry must be judged on the quality of the entry itself.

Is it encyclopaedic in its language?

Is it sufficiently notable?

Is it objective and dispassionate in its reporting?

And, especially, is it backed up by reliable and respected sources?

So I ask you please read the reliable sources I have quoted carefully. They are are all easily accessible.

Sources include Senator Judith Troeth in a speech in the Federal Parliament. It includes Moira Rayner, the renowned feminist, lawyer, and former commissioner for equal opportunity. It includes Lawrence Money, lifelong journalist and second page columnist in The Age. It also includes Tony Gelme, inter alia, one time nominee for Australian of the Year. And others. I honestly don’t think I have written a sentence which cannot be justified by these eminent sources and more.

If you have a difficulty with anything I have written, isn't the proper procedure to dialogue with me in the talk page in a polite and respectful manner? I believe I have an excellent track record of achievement, including at least 15 entries which I have created from scratch. I believe these and all my other improvements and corrections to be really good contributions to various aspects of history and knowledge. I believe I deserve the respect that Wikipedia requires of dialogue between editors.

This historical segment is almost 20 years old. There is no conflict of interest involved.

I am pleased to discuss any wording of the segment. I ask you to revert both this entry and the Bill D’Arcy entry which is also strictly historical. (I actually had it checked by another editor.)

Regarding the American entry no part of its basic creation came from me. But as it mentions a history in which I am interested, I attempted to de-advertise it. Didn't have the time to do anything further.Gladiator-Citizen (talk) 01:40, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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^ Doyle, Marie. "Marie Doyle defends fellow teacher Bill D'Arcy". Youtube. Dally Messenger. Retrieved 17 November 2019.
^ Bill D'Arcy Support Group. "Bill D'Arcy". A Personal History/ Bill D'Arcy. International College of Celebrancy. Retrieved 17 November 2019.
^ Parer, Michael Stanislaus (1971). Prophets and losses in the priesthood; in quest of the future ministry,. Sydney: Alella Books. p. 33. ISBN 0959987924.

[1] Doyle, Marie. "Marie Doyle defends fellow teacher Bill D'Arcy". Youtube. Dally Messenger. Retrieved 17 November 2019.

[2] Bill D'Arcy Support Group. "Bill D'Arcy". A Personal History/ Bill D'Arcy. International College of Celebrancy. Retrieved 17 November 2019.

[3] Parer, Michael Stanislaus (1971). Prophets and losses in the priesthood; in quest of the future ministry,. Sydney: Alella Books. p. 33. ISBN 0959987924.

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