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BLP: curiouser and curiouser

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Gigs, Ther is/was a long debate during the recent discussion about whether the notification of the creator and/or major contributor(s) should/could/would/must/shouldn't/mustn't be done. Some editors i'm sure were just playing with disruptive semantics when the 3RRs started. One editor in particular who has entered, stage right, in the role of leading boy(do look this up) at the last minute of Act 3, Scene 3, to save the world from evil with a pompous package of new polemic. See Wikipedia:Proposed deletion of biographies of living people#Nominating/Nomination/Item 4 (Makes creator/contributor notification mandatory). I prefer the notification to be intoned as required, but at the end of the day, I think we should all just agree on one or the other and not end up with contracdictory statements in the policy or instruction for use pages!--Kudpung (talk) 15:12, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If we have a notification bot, then I don't see any harm in leaving the notification technically optional. Go put in the bot request and let me know when it goes up for bot approval. Gigs (talk) 15:17, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The point was that if the article is prodded by Twinkle, then the noticfication woiuld be automaticaly sent out anyway, but there is an unresolved matter as to whether the notification should/could/would/must/shouldn't/mustn't be done at all when the prod template is manually applied. Those who wrtte bots an/or automatic template fincyions already know about this, but have been left in so much confusion as to what they should be doing, they appear to have gone on vacation. I wouldn't know how/where to put in a request for such as thing, and it's not in my remit - no editor can be an expert in every aspect of the making of this encyclopedia.--Kudpung (talk) 15:32, 6 April 2010 (UTC) PS: you have a typo in Policy Work on your user page ;) --Kudpung (talk) 15:34, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
We'll get it sorted out. I pinged MzMcBride to see if he could add it to his bot that is already notifying users who create unreferenced BLPs. If not, we'll find another bot operator to take on the task. I've done one bot job through the approvals process before, so I have a little experience there. Gigs (talk) 16:04, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

re: BLP notification bot

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Working on it right now ;). I just created the user, StickyProdPatrolBot, a few minutes ago. It'll probably take me a few days to get anything out of the code. - Kingpin13 (talk) 18:57, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sweet. Let me know when the BRFA goes live. Gigs (talk) 18:59, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Will do. FYI, I've got the user-notifications side of things working to my satisfaction (see User:SPPatrolBot/list), except from that I need to sort out the bot's time zone. Once I've got the WikiProject listing sorted I will file a BRfA. - Kingpin13 (talk) 21:50, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/SPPatrolBot - Kingpin13 (talk) 12:28, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Argentina

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If "if someone more familiar with the material reverts me, then I will not make it again".

So, I have no chance of showing again that my position is correct.

Ok thank you for your justice and (impartiality?). —Preceding unsigned comment added by EPAMINONDAS FLIASIO (talk • contribs) 16:42, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's only semi-protected. It looks like you have an account now, so you can just edit it yourself. Keep in mind the policies about edit warring. Gigs (talk) 17:24, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Actually you may need to make a couple more edits before you are autoconfirmed. You can make these on your user page if you'd like. Gigs (talk) 17:30, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

IMDB

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I would happily delete every article sourced solely to IMDB, whatever the content. As a concession, I have been leaving articles sourced to IMDB if they contain only filmography. Kevin (talk) 00:27, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Don't ruin this for everybody. I know it's not exactly what you wanted, but it's progress. Gigs (talk) 00:32, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Warning?

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  • Comment. I'd like more specific information on why I was warned. When was the last time I've ever backdated any sources? All I do is copy the same source needs biographical information from articles I've posted weeks/months ago. Can you explain how that would be disruptive, or malicious? In the last two articles, I never even attached biographical tags about not having sources to them, so what are you even talking about? Please inform A.S.A.P, and provide more information next time you drop those kinds of accusations and warnings on my talk page.

Silver Buizel (talk) 01:42, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm referring to you including {{BLP sources|date=October 2009}} in recent articles that you have created. Sorry if my message was confusing. If it was only because you copy and pasted from an old article and you did not mean to mislead people, then I apologize. Regardless, please stop doing that. Gigs (talk) 01:56, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not even supposed to be here today

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(To borrow a line from Clerks)


The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
For you continuous efforts to build the encyclopedia, both directly upon editing articles and via prudent discussion on article talk pages, as well as through maintenance of our core policies -- Kendrick7talk 07:20, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! Gigs (talk) 12:27, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
No prob, of course you deserve it. Popping back in, I'm glad to see that consensus seems to have decided that the poor woman killed by that orca was a real person with a name and everything. People killed at Disneyland, not so much -- they were just anonymous drones apparently. But if you dehumanize the victims, it doesn't all sound as bad, does it? Oldest trick in the book, and not something we should stand for. Oh well, another moon and my wikibreak is over.... -- Kendrick7talk 04:36, 7 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It's good that it ended well. I agree that our obligation to human dignity when writing about people does extend to including their names when it's appropriate to do so. Gigs (talk) 13:07, 7 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Talkback

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Hello, Gigs. You have new messages at LiberalFascist's talk page.
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WP:GAN for Tortilleria

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I have placed the GA nomination for Tortilleria on hold. There are concerns to be addressed. You can see the review at Talk:Tortilleria/GA1. NativeForeigner Talk/Contribs/Vote! 00:17, 11 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the valuable feedback. Gigs (talk) 01:27, 12 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Al Azif

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Thanks for the notice that Al Azif was nominated for deletion, but I'm not really the creator of the article. Rather, I'm the creator of a redirect that someone later replaced with an article. See my vote for its deletion for more details. I'm not very active on Wikipedia these days, but I'm grateful to those of you who are, and are producing and maintaining such a fantastic resource. Cheers! DavidConrad (talk) 16:00, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy deletion of Portal:Book:Wikipedia-Books

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Hello Gigs, this is a message from an automated bot to inform you that the page you created, Portal:Book:Wikipedia-Books, has been marked for speedy deletion by User:Headbomb. This has been done because the page was created to test Wikipedia (see CSD). If you think the tag was placed in error, please add "{{hangon}}" to the page text, and edit the talk page to explain why the page should not be deleted. If you have a question about this bot, please ask it at User talk:SDPatrolBot II. If you have a question for the user who tagged the article, see User talk:Headbomb. Thanks, - SDPatrolBot II (talk) on behalf of Headbomb (talk · contribs) 18:46, 28 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Talkback

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Hello, Gigs. You have new messages at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/HJ Mitchell 2.
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~NerdyScienceDude (✉ message • changes) 16:55, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the talkback. I'm unswayed by appeals to AGF in this matter. Assume good faith has an implicit subtext, "Assume good faith until shown otherwise". It's an assumption, not a blindfold. Gigs (talk) 17:23, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

TGT

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The page was deleted, I had it on a list to edit, so I recreated a blank page inadvertantly. Rich Farmbrough, 13:18, 3 May 2010 (UTC).[reply]

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AfD nomination of Pit Bull

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An editor has nominated one or more articles which you have created or worked on, for deletion. The nominated article is Pit Bull. We appreciate your contributions, but the nominator doesn't believe that the article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in his/her nomination (see also Wikipedia:Notability and "What Wikipedia is not").

Your opinions on whether the article meets inclusion criteria and what should be done with the article are welcome; please participate in the discussion(s) by adding your comments to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pit Bull. Please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~).

You may also edit the article during the discussion to improve it but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion debate.

Please note: This is an automatic notification by a bot. I have nothing to do with this article or the deletion nomination, and can't do anything about it. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 01:06, 10 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Courtesy note

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You are receiving this note because of your participation in WT:Revision deletion#Community consultation, which is referred to in Wikipedia:VPR#Proposal to turn on revision deletion immediately (despite some lingering concerns). –xenotalk 14:14, 17 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

BLP1E

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Hello.

You raise a good point, one that I raised before.

There is inconsistency in BLP1E.

1. BLP1E has a link to the main article. It is explicitly stated that the main text is the notability guideline. 2. This conflicts with the fact that the policy references a guideline as the main text. 3. BLP1E conflicts with the main notability guideline. The notability guideline gives guidelines as to what to keep and what not to write. BLP1E basically says avoid one event persons.

The trouble with re-writing this is deletionist will protest. However, by protesting, they are supporting inconsistency. What should happen is that several editors should try to agree upon an idea. The guideline is the best idea. It is neutral and does not promote deletion or retention. The way it is now, the policy says nothing except John Hinckley. Suomi Finland 2009 (talk) 18:01, 17 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Sexasaurus PROD

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Thank you

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Hey, Gigs. I forgot to say thank you when I first was here on Wikipedia. Thanks a bunch for giving me that notice and warm welcome.

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70.89.169.161 (talk) 17:11, 28 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hello

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CamrynRocks! (talk) 17:14, 28 May 2010 (UTC)Sorry, wasn't logged in when i said thanks.[reply]

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Thank you

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Thank you for providing a third opinion, at Talk:Everybody_Draw_Mohammed_Day#Third_Opinion. I have responded there. -- Cirt (talk) 01:51, 30 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Not a dictionary

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Please check out Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lady. Thanks.Kitfoxxe (talk) 02:28, 30 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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dungloe

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Hi, could you take a look at discussion about Dungloe —Preceding unsigned comment added by Przemek27 (talk • contribs) 13:32, 4 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Gore Effect AfD

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You previously commented on Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Marknutley/The Gore Effect. A new version of the article has been created in article space at The Gore Effect and has been nominated for deletion. If you have any views on this, please feel free to comment at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Gore Effect. -- ChrisO (talk) 08:16, 9 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment at WP:BLPRFC3

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It may not be entirely clear to everyone which view you take in your comment. Can you add a clarifying note? Specifically this is my reading of what you have said:

  1. Subject specific notability guidelines (SNGs) are allowing articles to be kept that have no third party biographical sources, and likely never will.
  2. "The problem is that each of these guidelines supersedes the WP:GNG... The subject of a biography is the person, not the person's work. The current SNGs for people assume that a person who produced notable work is automatically notable, regardless of source material availability."
  3. The argument that SNGs merely provide guidance when the GNG is likely to be met is rejected, because in practice, meeting an SNG has been considered prima facie evidence of notability, regardless of availability of biographical source material.

In other words it seems the stated view is that BLPs should not exist based solely on "being someone with notable achievements and works" or meeting SNG's, but only upon "being someone who has been the subject of direct attention" (GNG). But it looks like some users, such as User:Ihcoyc (endorser #9) have written "endorse" then expanded giving a view that is diametrically opposite. May need to clarify if so.

FT2 (Talk | email) 11:51, 19 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the note. Yes, your summary seems to be what my main points were. Gigs (talk) 14:06, 21 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Revision of WP:BLPNAME

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The issue of whether WP:BLPNAME should be revised has come up again. As you participated in a previous discussion on this guideline, you are invited to contribute your views at "Wikipedia talk:Biographies of living persons#Concrete proposals". — Cheers, JackLee –talk– 13:41, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, I'm fairly new to editing Wikipedia but I'm interested in reviving a deleted page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/The_Friars_(musical_group)

I have compiled additional sources and information that I think will help meet the notability and citation standards and am looking for some help in getting the page back up. Any advice? Thanks Drewbo19 (talk) 17:58, 8 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Your edit on WP:BLP http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons&diff=350203695&oldid=350185577 removed a entire subsection on marital status. I didn't find a discussion of its removal in the WT:BLP archives for March 16, 2010. Was this deletion intentional or inadvertent? patsw (talk) 12:16, 12 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

MAKO Model - This is about IT Governance

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Hi there...why is my article being deleted. This is about IT Governance. My was developed through experience in IT Governance and knowledge of IT Governance. I can source the Wikipedia page on IT Governance. The MAKO Model is also similar to a RACI Model used for project management. Help me instead of deleting my article. I have never edited/added on Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Marccrudgington (talk • contribs) 19:08, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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THANKS

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hey, thanks Gigs. I never got a chance to say thank you for being the first to welcome me here. 72.161.99.61 (talk) 22:01, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

VPC

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— raekyT 23:59, 1 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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