User talk:Geraldo Perez/Archive 26

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WP:ABOUTSELF question

So, we've established that acting cast aren't good enough sources to establish that, say, a TV show has been cancelled or renewed. But is something like this good enough to establish a character name before a project is released? Or are character names another thing where we actually need somebody in production to verify it before a project is released, or we have to wait to see the project's eventual credits?... Thanks. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 20:58, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

@IJBall: Strictly by the rules there, no. She isn't talking about herself, she is giving information about a project she is in. WP:SPS might apply as she could be considered an expert on a character she portrays but still she may not know exactly how the character will be credited in the show. Also SPS prefers better sources. In this case, until the credits can be viewed, there is one at https://deadline.com/2021/05/independent-wrestling-drama-heels-sets-series-debut-date-on-starz-1234747975/ the first reference at the series link that does give the full name. Geraldo Perez (talk) 21:42, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Showbuzz Daily

@MPFitz1968 and IJBall: Are you guys getting the same "error" page? A my blog WordPress page: http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/ Archived 2015-06-09 at the Wayback Machine I first noticed issues yesterday when it led to an error page when trying to post comments, though I was able to a post comment in the Wednesday preliminaries earlier in the day. In addition, Wednesday finals and Thursday preliminaries were never posted yesterday afternoon and this morning, respectively. Then a couple hours ago, it switched to the aforementioned page. Perhaps a hosting issue? I know redirecting to a parent page like that usually means the server host wasn't paid or some kind of other issue. Amaury • 21:32, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

@Amaury: Same for me. Looks like didn't renew domain name and hosting service took it over. May be temporary until the owner can get it fixed. Or the owner ran out of money and just let it lapse. Geraldo Perez (talk) 21:36, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

Hopefully a temporary issue, regardless of the cause. It's like the only source for ratings we have now. TV by the Numbers no longer posts ratings, and Programming Insider appears to only be posting broadcast network ratings, for the most part. Also, it seems to take longer to post the final ratings, whereas Showbuzz Daily posts the broadcast preliminary in the morning and then the broadcast finals and cable later in the afternoon, with the exception of Fridays–Sunday in the case of finals since finals are only posted on business days. Amaury • 21:47, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

I'm hoping so, too. Since so many of the articles for recent Disney Channel and Nickelodeon programs we're watching use that to support the viewership numbers, we would need to find archives of all the pages, or {{dead link}} for those not found. Probably will need someone to use a script to handle this massive kind of update. MPFitz1968 (talk) 22:34, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

Actually would affect more than just Disney and Nickelodeon series, if Showbuzz was used to support viewership numbers across the entire set of TV articles, both for cable and broadcast TV. I'm thinking WT:TV may need to be informed. MPFitz1968 (talk) 22:43, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

@MPFitz1968: Since this happened today—although based on what I said above, it probably started yesterday—I'd say wait and see if it gets fixed next week before doing that since it is the weekend. Amaury • 22:51, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) Based on their unofficial Twitter account Showbuzz Daily (it is not verified, however, it seems to be its real Twitter account as it only posts Showbuzz Daily ratings, its update information, and delay ratings information), they are having technical issues and will probably not get resolved until Monday. — YoungForever^(talk) 23:03, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

@YoungForever: That explains that. Amaury • 09:17, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

It is Tuesday late afternoon and they still haven't fix their website. I have been checking website and the unofficial Twitter account. — YoungForever^(talk) 23:45, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Update: The Showbuzz Daily website seems to be working right now. — YoungForever^(talk) 02:04, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

https://mobile.twitter.com/ShowBuzzDaily/status/1394841171680141314 Depending on where you are and what browser you use, the pre-shutdown version of http://showbuzzdaily.com may have reappeared. Don't get excited just yet, we can't add new content at this point. But it's a step in the right direction. Amaury • 03:11, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

Based on this tweet (posted this morning today, 5/24), it may be the end for them. — YoungForever^(talk) 20:54, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

It has been over a week and still no update sadly. But, website is still live though. — YoungForever^(talk) 23:08, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Block user

You can block this user:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:MinecrafterDE15

He kept adding some false information about television channels. --162.222.81.217 (talk) 19:56, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

I'm unable to to that. See WP:AIV for process on how to request blocked for vandalism. Geraldo Perez (talk) 19:59, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) (talk page watcher) Geraldo Perez is not an administrator. Report this at WP:AIAV or WP:ANI. Amaury • 20:00, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Um.... User:Geraldo Perez.

--IJBall (contribs • talk) 20:03, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

@IJBall: That refers to another account I have but generally don't use - for lots of personal reasons. On this account I can't do admin stuff and prefer to use the normal channels to request active admins to do admin actions. Geraldo Perez (talk) 20:10, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

I acknowledge all of that. And you are way down the "list of Admins" I would contact about Admin stuff. But it's also not accurate to say that you are "not an Admin" – it's more accurate to say you're more like a "lapsed or non-practicing Admin". --IJBall (contribs • talk) 20:23, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Chuckle. More to the point "Geraldo Perez" is not an admin. Geraldo Perez (talk) 20:27, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I mean, if we want to be really technical, the account Geraldo Perez does not have administration tools, so saying Geraldo Perez is not an administrator is by technicality correct. It's his other account, which he won't reveal the name of here for obvious reasons, that has administration tools.

Amaury • 20:28, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

I had a very unpleasant experience with some disgruntled editors who actually tried to find out personal private information about me in order to cause me harm. Left a very sour taste about the whole experience and almost got me to stop editing Wiki completely which I did for a while. Created this account to restart fresh as I generally enjoy editing here. I keep the old account for the rare cases where I am not involved and normal admin processes can't handle it. Geraldo Perez (talk) 20:45, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

They were clearly mad, to say the least. Amaury • 21:16, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

I did learn one very important lesson about not reusing user names on multiple sites. When I first started I used a name I used pretty much everywhere for my online activity. A motivated person can put together a lot of information by looking at different sites looking for the same user name. Each site may have limited info, but combined too much can be revealed - and was. Geraldo Perez (talk) 21:25, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

I reported on WP:AIAV, but no answer. --162.222.81.217 (talk) 22:50, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

The next step if AIV doesn't act on a report is to use WP:ANI process. It is more open to more than just vandalism. Geraldo Perez (talk) 23:40, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

For what it's worth, I see nothing in the IP's contributions relating to a report. Something seems fishy here. Amaury • 23:44, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Check it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#User_report --162.222.81.217 (talk) 00:16, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

I've commented on ANI; MCDE15's edits are all proper and fine; they're just clearing up that since Switzerland is a four-language country, they get multiple language version's of kid's networks. No block needed, all edits I see are fine. Nate • (chatter) 20:54, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

But not the French version on NIckelodeon and others. --162.222.83.108 (talk) 01:36, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

Again, Swiss cable systems carry the French and Italian versions of many networks, along with a domestic or German version. The country has four official languages. This isn't vandalism nor 'false information'. Nate • (chatter) 04:52, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

These channels are not airing in Switzerland, they are just received by satellite antennas in Switzerland, that's all. --162.222.83.250 (talk) 18:52, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

Enough....you're beating a dead horse now. I've told you twice that their edits are not vandalism, and the networks are on Swiss cable and satellite systems, so their inclusion is A-OK. They're not getting blocked. Nate • (chatter) 19:36, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

But he can't say that TF1 is a Swiss channel. TF1 is a French channel, but this channel has a Swiss version called TF1 Switzerland. Nickelodeon Cartoon Network (Italy) is in Switzerland, but he must not write Switzerland on the country section of the model. --162.222.83.250 (talk) 23:08, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

(sigh) If it's carried in Switzerland, it's fine. There are no issues with their edits. Stop persisting. Nate • (chatter) 23:52, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

"Untitled Spider-Man: Far from Home sequel" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Untitled Spider-Man: Far from Home sequel. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 June 6#Untitled Spider-Man: Far from Home sequel until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. UnitedStatesian (talk) 18:09, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

List of Handy Manny episodes

IP vandal here – need back up. Thanks. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 02:26, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Question

This is a case where the "cure is worse than the disease", right? IOW, replacing with likely WP:COPYVIOs should just be reverted? --IJBall (contribs • talk) 05:45, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Airdates have been changed too by this editor. While I don't trust the original dates, I don't trust these claimed Amazon Prime air dates either. The only source I do trust is the LA Times source which reports a July 4, 1991 premiere date. I'm not sure we can trust anything else... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 06:36, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Yep, this contemporary source also confirms a July 4, 1991 premiere date: [1]. Dunno what to do here – I don't think it's worth reverting, but I do think the new airdates are also wrong and should be removed. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 06:43, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Reception Wikis

Hello there,

I know I never discussed this topic in a hilariously long time but you may not be familiar with these sites from a wiki farm named Miraheze whose insignia is modeled after a beehive’s honeycomb. Here are several communities it currently hosts colloquially nicknamed “Reception Wikis”:

Positive

Best TV Shows (and Episodes)

Greatest Movies

Fresh Websites

Awesome Characters

Negative

Terrible TV Shows (and Episodes)

Awful Movies

Rotten Websites

Abysmal Characters

Every layout of those bears resemblance to this very wiki except with a Videos and Comments subsection. Bonus points that they run in the same software engine MediaWiki. Additionally they even have an article devoted to themselves. Are the sites not reliable by any circumstances since they’re user generated? If it weren’t for Packaged Reviewer’s evaluation I would not have discovered them instantaneously.

67.81.161.226 (talk) 17:39, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Any site that is WP:USERG is not considered a reliable source. Geraldo Perez (talk) 17:44, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Template:Henry Danger

@IJBall: May be having similar issues that we had with the ~~Girl Meets World~~ Boy Meets World and ~~Raven's Home~~ That's So Raven templates, and most recently with the deleted Jessie category. Episode and character lists shouldn't be included. However, even if it were to include them, though they are contentious to include, that's still only four links. So the template should probably just be deleted, anyway. Not enough links. Add: Honestly, I don't know if season pages even belong, which would mean the Boy Meets World template should in theory also be deleted. The That's So Raven template is the only that would survive even after being pruned of those, as it would still have seven links. Amaury • 17:46, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

@Amaury: Those little navbox templates are somewhat useless. Everything in the navbox is linked in the main article in the infobox or listed as sub articles so it doesn't add any real value. Might be worth a WP:TFD as that seems the only way to delete them. Geraldo Perez (talk) 18:22, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Geraldo and IJBall: Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2021 June 21#Template:Henry Danger. Amaury • 00:17, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Yes, or no?

In regards to these edits. I suspect there's a guideline somewhere I don't know about, but I'm pretty sure we're not supposed to link fictional characters to the historical or literary figures they are based on in articles on adaptations like this, right?... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 03:53, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

I don't know of the specific guideline, but I agree we shouldn't do it. I've reverted. That would be like a television series having "John Smith as Apple Cider" for one if its cast and characters, with a link to apple cider. It would be wrong, since in that case Apple Cider would be the same of the character, not just simply the drink. Amaury • 04:01, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @IJBall: Actual historical figures, unless it is a documentary or historical fiction specifically about them, I'd say no. Literary figures in similar works if a variation or retelling of that work I'd say is OK. Robin Hood, for example, in any work of fiction derived from the original fiction seems reasonable as background for the character. Geraldo Perez (talk) 04:02, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Poorly Referenced Birthday (not sure how to send a message on here)

Does an instagram post count as a valid reference for confirming a birthday if it is from the person's mother? https://www.instagram.com/p/CQKYfoAjZJJ/

If so, what would be the proper way to reference it?

It only counts if it is from the subject of the article per WP:ABOUTSELF. We can't use social media sources for information about other people. Geraldo Perez (talk) 04:50, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

For the record, not trying to argue just generally curious. I can guess to the reasons the WP:ABOUTSELF policy is written that way. it seems that once the birthday for anyone is established its hard to change if it is fact wrong, but other sources cite it.

Correct me if I am wrong, but these three source examples would not work change the person's birthday.

1) If in her IG, she included post from other people wishing her a happy 21st birthday. (I am assuming that because she didn't post herself it doesn't count.)

2) If she herself put it in her IG Story (I am assuming that because it would be gone in 24 hours and then un-citable, it also wouldn't qualify)

3) In this article: https://www.glamour.com/story/meet-natalie-emily-and-alyvia-alyn-lind it says she is 17 years old in 2017 (I am assuming that without actually stating her birthday it doesn't override a source that doesn, even though to be 17 in October 2017 with a June birthday she would have to be born in 2000.)

This WP:ABOUTSELF must apply to all kind of information from the infobox, birthday, birth city, height, college, college decree, etc. etc.)

She has to state it herself in a social media account that she controls and is verified to be hers. It should be clear and unambiguous. WP:BLPPRIVACY is another reason as we generally want to ensure the person is OK with releasing the information or it is widely published in reliable sources. Some people want to keep it private and we respect that. We used to use the Glamor article as a source (see here) but that gave a range of 1999/2000 for the year based on the template calculations. WP:ABOUTSELF permits us to use certain information a person says about themselves in the article but we always prefer to use reliable secondary sources over primary sources saying the same thing when we have them. We would likely go with what the person says over a source if there is a conflict though although sometimes people aren't always truthful about their personal information. Geraldo Perez (talk) 05:29, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Creator, writer, etc. credits

You've explained this a few times. Ampersand means a duo who always works together. A comma, line break, or "and," which all mean the same thing, means that they worked together for that episode, but generally don't always work together. Regardless of how the credits appear in the case of the latter, it's okay to use any of them. I prefer "and" as it avoids a cell looking unnecessarily fat, like over on the episode list for Raven's Home, but that was a compromise you came up with. Anyway, to the point, when it comes to the ampersand, we absolutely should use that in the infoboxes and episode tables, but in prose, should we still use it or is "and" okay there? For example, Henry Danger. Should it stay as is (...series created by Dan Schneider and Dana Olsen that aired on Nickelodeon...) since it's prose or should it also be (...series created by Dan Schneider & Dana Olsen that aired on Nickelodeon)? Amaury • 06:50, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

@Amaury: Avoiding ampersands in straight prose looks better and WP:& will lead people to "correct" it anyway. Strictly speaking & is appropriate when part of a proper noun which is what the name of a writing team is, but it still looks awkward in straight prose. Also in this case we really are talking about the two individuals, not the team name. Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:41, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

That's what I figured. Thank you kindly. Amaury • 16:43, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Cat's question

Geraldo, you know more about categories than I do – do you have any thoughts on what I am saying in this edit summary? Thanks. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 20:44, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

FWIW, I added the children's category there and on Mech-X4 when I went through all of my watchlist articles and cleaned up the categories. A series on a kids' network that features children, especially as main cast members/characters with major plots revolving around them, is by definition a children's series. So everything on Nickelodeon and Disney Channel is a children's series. On the other end, though, none of the series on the broadcast networks would be considered children's series since they are more adult oriented. The one exception I would say would be Young Sheldon, but even that's more oriented toward adults, though the major plot of the series revolves around Sheldon. Amaury • 20:52, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

@IJBall and Amaury: I go by WP:CATVER. If the article doesn't describe it as such, it shouldn't be a category. I don't like making WP:OR evaluations about the production's target goals for anything and would like to see it made explicit with sources. In my mind a children's show will have little interest to anyone other than children (in the developmental sense not the legal sense, generally preteen). Wide interest shows are generally considered family targeted, not child targeted. Geraldo Perez (talk) 21:14, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

I agree with that – it should not be under "children's series" unless RS's specifically call it that, and usually they only do for TV shows that are "preschool"-age focused (and certainly not with "tween" shows). But I was actually asking about the WP:SUPERCAT question. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 21:19, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

@IJBall: It is a WP:SUPERCAT if you follow the category list at the bottom of the category, and also the list for the next one higher, it shows that. Geraldo Perez (talk) 21:23, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Completely different question...

Geraldo, I believe there is a WP:BLP article that you sometimes edit which lists two different birth years (with a note) for the subject (I want to say the years are "1969" and "1970") because WP:RSs differ on what is the correct birth year for the subject. I can't remember which BLP article this is – do you remember?... I ask, because something like this recently came up at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers#Disha birth year. TIA. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 21:24, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

@IJBall: I can't think of one right now. I do remember seeing this situation show up occasionally when we have conflicting reliable sources and the solution is to list both with an explanation of why it can't be ascertained which is correct. Category:Date of birth uncertain has a list that may help. Geraldo Perez (talk) 21:35, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

I remembered who it was: it was LisaRaye McCoy. But apparently the different birth years was removed in this Sept. 2017 edit. (FTR, I'm not sure that should have happened without a Talk page discussion, but whatever...) --IJBall (contribs • talk) 23:49, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

@IJBall: Interesting that the person who made the change, User:Vidal 1077, was blocked as a sock. I'm not sure about the undiscussed decision to pick one of the dates. Geraldo Perez (talk) 00:20, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

WP:TfD question

Geraldo, what's the guideline that states a navbox-template can/should be deleted if it has only 3 links or less? I can't find it... TIA. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 02:33, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

@IJBall: WP:Navbox. I can't think of a guideline beyond that other than just general pointlessness of having a navbox template with that few entries. This argument seemed to work though although I don't think the 12 link minimum is supported. Geraldo Perez (talk) 02:53, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, I checked that but it makes no mention of a "minimum number" of links. But I know I've seen that argument made in Navbox deletion discussions – I think the min. is 3 or 4 links. I wish I could find it. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 02:55, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

@IJBall: Wikipedia:A navbox on every page, essay, suggests 10 to 100 links. Wikipedia:Avoid template creep suggests 5. I think a key point is what those links are and if it adds value to have a navbox, a judgement call basically. Geraldo Perez (talk) 03:04, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

74.122.92.127

Whoever this editor is, I think they've been doing the same vandalistic edits for several days now. I assume they are operating on an IP range? I think other IPs have recently been blocked for edits like this. Probably time to figure out what's going on here. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 05:26, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

@IJBall: I checked the 74.122.0.0/16 range for the last 2 months, this is the only obvious vandal I found. Geraldo Perez (talk) 05:48, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

OK, well that's disturbing, because I know I've seen other edits like that previous to today, that were reverted by other editors. (But I don't remember details...) Means this editor may also be operating on an IPv6, and maybe other IPv4 ranges. Will need to keep an eye on this – will update, as warranted. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 05:51, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Also edits as 199.83.193.173. Same rare geo location - Grenada, same noise edits. Geraldo Perez (talk) 23:11, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

And editing 5 days ago too. That is some progress – esp. the geolocation. And I think remember others noticing the subways cars (e.g. R188 (New York City Subway car)) being a recurring theme. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 23:44, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

OK, see also: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Rgalo10. It may not be related (this SPI's IP's seem to geolocate to NYC (unless they're currently on vacation!!), and I don't see any of this SPI socks hitting WP:BLP articles like these two IP's do). But the overlap with the New York City Subway car articles may not be a coincidence. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 23:54, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

More convinced that it's not a coincidence. First, check out Ejmanalo616 – note that this account also edited Sabrina Carpenter and some TV related articles (though this one seems to have escaped the notice of the SPI CheckUser searches). And this IP, Special:Contributions/151.204.159.65, seems to tie it all together – geolocates to NYC, and edits both NY Subway car articles, and article of WP:BLPs and television. I think the odds are good these Grenada IP's are the same editor as the NYC SPI case. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 00:01, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

The geo location argues against being the same person. Also the type of vandalism seems different. He could be using a VPN with outlets at Granada, though. Geraldo Perez (talk) 00:08, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Also at 74.122.90.229. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:15, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

@IJBall: So far, given IPs used, looks like ranges 74.122.88.0/21 (88-94) and 199.83.192.0/21 (192-199) in Grenada. Also Special:Contributions/151.204.159.65 in Brooklyn seems like same person. I'm watching the ranges for additional vandalism and will put in for a range block if another one pops up. Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:51, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

And now at 216.110.118.18. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 02:49, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

@IJBall: I saw and reported to AIV. This is potential IPs from Grenada he could use. Like playing Whac-A-Mole. Geraldo Perez (talk) 02:54, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Acceptable source?

Geraldo, is this an "acceptable source" for something like this? (I say "no".) TIA. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 14:08, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

@IJBall: That just goes to a list of names of students. Names are not unique, nothing says this is the Madison Hu the article is about. Presuming that is WP:OR. Geraldo Perez (talk) 14:32, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks – I have reverted. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 14:36, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

@IJBall: I am also dubious of the need for the Chinese version of her name to be in the article. She is American not a Chinese national, was born in the US and named Madison Hu at birth as far as I can tell. I looked at the source and they switch between a Chinese version of her name written in Chinese characters, and her American name. I am dubious of the translations being in any way official. Geraldo Perez (talk) 14:57, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

I tried removing that, on exactly that basis, but was reverted. It wasn't worth fighting over. Might be worth a Talk page discussion about – there may not be consensus to justify its inclusion... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 15:00, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

The Mr. Men Show (1997 TV series)

I'm concerned about this article. First off, the two checkable sources at the article refer to the show as just "Mr. Men", not "The Mr. Men Show". Second, there's a lot of unsourced content at the article that I don't trust. Thirdly, it seems to be one of those article that attracts IP editors of questionable skill and/or intent... I don't know if anything can be done, but I thought I'd bring it up. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 18:52, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Even more concerned here now – there is no IMDb entry for this "TV show" (which means edits like this can't even be properly verfified). Lack of an IMDb entry is usually a sign that it's not real/is a hoax (or, at least, that something is not notable enough for it's own article). It may be that this is simply a North American-dubbed version of the 1995–1997 Mr. Men and Little Miss – if so, any relevant material should be merged back to that article. But I can't even be sure that this is the case – this article may just be a straight-up hoax. Any ideas on how to proceed here? I'm tempted to merge and convert to a redirect, but if it's a hoax there shouldn't even be a redirect! Another option is WP:AfD? Really not sure what to do here... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 18:24, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

@IJBall: I'd suggest starting with a WP:PROD giving justification you stated above. If the PROD is removed, then AfD. Geraldo Perez (talk) 18:44, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Image question

For this, I definitely don't believe the "own work" claim. But is it a WP:COPYVIO?... I'm guessing it should be tagged on Commons one way or the other. (On my end, I'm bothered that it doesn't indicate when the image was taken...) --IJBall (contribs • talk) 01:01, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

@IJBall: I searched for the image and it looks to be from Nickelodeon Kids' Choice Sports Awards 2017 where he is dressed the same and background matches. There are other uses of this image on the net but they look to be from Commons. However I couldn't find an image where this was extracted from, looks like screenshot from a video interview possibly. I tagged the image on Commons as being suspicious. No way the person uploading the image owned it as claimed. Geraldo Perez (talk) 01:49, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

Erica Mena and Safaree Samuels new son

Hi! I see that you reverted my edits. Why would the name of their son be less notable as their daughter? If Safire's name is on both of their pages and if her other son's name is on her page, why would it not apply to the new baby? They are all notable, as they are all celeb kids. Am I missing something here? No harm intended, I am trying to be constructive. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.22.226.170 (talk) 16:17, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Minors and persons judged incompetent strongly discourages naming non-notable minors for privacy reasons. There is no need to invade their privacy and we shouldn't. Even if their parents give out the info we don't need to report it in an article not about the child. Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:25, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Responding to another of the IP's assertions. They are all notable, as they are all celeb kids. This is not true, per WP:NOTINHERITED. MPFitz1968 (talk) 16:29, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Then, all 3 kids names should be removed, under that principle, am I correct? There's King Javien Conde's name that is still there, he is also a minor.

Yes they all should be removed when all they did was be born to some celebrity. Sex and year of birth is usually sufficient for an article. If the kid is notable per WP:GNG in their own right as some are, then they could generally have their own article and it would be appropriate to mention in other articles. Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:50, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for helping with Infobox television

Hey, I've seen that you are cleaning issues with {{Infobox television}} which is great! I've created now a tracking category for flag icon usages at Category:Pages using infobox television with flag icon. Hopefully that helps. I've also noticed that you are adding the {{Start date}} template, even better! However, some of your additions were text date ("August 20") instead of values as that template asks for. If you are adding that template, please use it with numbers so the template works correctly. Thanks! Gonnym (talk) 08:17, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

@Gonnym: Thanks for the tracking category, that's useful. For the start date template, it appears to parse the text dates and correctly extract the year, month and day values if they are spelled correctly so the infobox template can do the proper display. Is that a hidden feature that is deprecated, or am I incorrect in my observation? Or should I be using the {{start-date}} template for that? I'll go back and fix what I added when I get a chance. Geraldo Perez (talk) 15:16, 14 July 2021 (UTC) Now fixed. Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:26, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

I'm not sure how the template extracts the information when it's given as a single date. It might just output what was given (so there will always be something to show), but that is less helpful at the end. Regarding {{start-date}} that shouldn't be used as usages should be consistent and the infobox templates ask for the other one. Anyways, if you don't want to work too hard, just leave it alone or just add the missing year. There is a bot that can fix these but stopped working, but can always restart and fix new issues (which is why the missing year is helpful here). Gonnym (talk) 23:45, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

@Gonnym: I was just curious about how the template worked. Anyway, easy enough to do it right. I'm finding the tracking category helpful but, of course, slow to update. I've cleaned it out, but new ones keep showing up as people edit article for other things - I know that is normal behavior but means need to keep watching it. Geraldo Perez (talk) 23:52, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Sierra McCormick

There's been a persistent addition of an unsourced role she has in American Horror Stories, but I am seeing that the series has just premiered on FX on Hulu. Was curious if you, IJBall or Amaury have that particular network/streaming service. As the series has now started, the credits there should serve to source McCormick's role, of Scarlett (the role persistently added to her article), I'm hoping. (I did one last revert of an IP in the last few minutes, primarily because they didn't add the information correctly, and I've requested semi-protection of the article.) MPFitz1968 (talk) 06:16, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

@MPFitz1968: I have Hulu. So far, only the first two episodes of American Horror Stories has been released: "Rubber(wo)Man: Parts One and Two". I have not watched these episodes yet. According to IMDb, McCormick is in both of these two episodes, but they list her just as "Scarlett" – I am going to change the Filmography entry to reflect this. If I end up watching the episodes, and the crediting is different, I will revise further at that point. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 14:24, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

@MPFitz1968:, Sorry to interrupt, but I can confirm she is in it and plays a big role. Secondary sources can also confirm that eg: TheWrap.— Starforce¹³ 14:56, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

I'm sorry

Hola colega:

Te escribo en español por tu nombre de usuario, supongo que entenderás lo que escribo.

Ante todo perdóname si hice una edición errónea, solo hice eso porque en el artículo en inglés "Che Guevara" aparece como nacionalidad ARGENTINO y como ciudadanía CUBANO y ARGENTINO. Y se especifica que "nationality" es el lugar de origen de la persona o donde ella nació.

Si pudieras responderme para aclararme esa duda, te lo agradeceré mucho. De antemano, muchas gracias. Tomas Fernando Camargo (talk) 18:41, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello colleague: I write to you in Spanish by your username, I suppose you will understand what I write. First of all, forgive me if I made a wrong edition, I only did that because in the article in English "Che Guevara" appears as ARGENTINE nationality and as CUBAN and ARGENTINE citizenship. And it is specified that "nationality" is the person's place of origin or where they were born. If you could answer me to clarify that question, I will appreciate it very much. Beforehand thank you very much. Tomas Fernando Camargo (talk) 12:41 pm, Today (UTC − 6)

I prefer English for this page. In the US nationality and citizenship mean the same thing, in Mexico they have different legal meanings but for most Mexicans don't differ. Generally per template:Infobox person/doc the citizenship attribute is rarely needed as usually a person's nationality and citizenship are the same. In the case of Selma Hayek she has Mexican citizenship and nationality by birth, and obtained US nationality and citizenship by naturalization. Geraldo Perez (talk) 18:57, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

216.110.118.18 Is Back

Still unclear if this is related to Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Rgalo10, but this IP will need to be blocked again. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 19:38, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

@IJBall: I'd expect admins would skip to longer blocks than the slow escalation they are doing now. Expect him back in a month. Geraldo Perez (talk) 19:50, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

@IJBall: Now at 216.154.16.1. Amaury • 19:26, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

@IJBall and Amaury: Geolocates to Toronto instead of Granada like the other. Geraldo Perez (talk) 19:34, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Thank you Geraldo Perez

I updated the berenstain bears 2003 wikipedia with an added airdate, please let me keep this way, please leave a message. Fixingeditsperson (talk) 01:01, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Threat

I don't know if you saw it or not but I removed a death threat from your page from User talk:TrainTown2002. I figured you should be aware of it. If you want to see the content let me know and I can e-mail it to you. HighInBC ^{Need help? Just ask.} 04:38, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for removing that. I don't need to see it. Geraldo Perez (talk) 04:40, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

Johnny Test

Similar to the iCarly issue above, I'm seeing editors (IPs more so at this point) considering the start of this show's revival series as the seventh season of the original. I'm assuming this is also incorrect, and more eyes are needed. Also, the LoE is including the start of the revival as season 7. MPFitz1968 (talk) 16:44, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Keep them strictly separate. Too few episodes for a split from the revival article and calling it season 7 is incompatible with the original split discussion and result. Hat notes and appropriate mentioned in the articles are sufficient to link the two series. Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:56, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Jenna Ortega

Need more eyes on the article, as there's disruptive editing, if not vandalism, being done by one newly registered user. I've already reverted them twice. MPFitz1968 (talk) 16:27, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

@MPFitz1968: A fan adding own name likely per user name and name being added. Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:45, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

List of The Thundermans episodes

@IJBall: Need help here. At work, so can't do much now. Tried to request protection as per the user and IP clearly being the same person. I also suspect the user is a sock themselves. However, it gave me an error. Amaury • 22:19, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Also need more eyes on Nicole Eisenman. Amaury • 22:20, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

There appears to be a problem on the WP:RPP page. Don't know exactly what, but hardly any requests there as of my post. MPFitz1968 (talk) 23:16, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

@MPFitz1968: Look at the talk page for the RPP page. There does seem to be some problems they are working on. Geraldo Perez (talk) 23:21, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Just did. A bit technical for me, but hopefully whatever is going on with the bot(s) involved, that it does get remedied soon. MPFitz1968 (talk) 23:23, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Andi Mack

Is this WP:DEFINING? Andi is Asian-American, but the series isn't revolved around it. She just happens to be a character who's Asian-American. It seems to make more sense having the Latino categories for something like Stuck in the Middle since the series revolves more around Mexican/Latino heritage, but on Andi Mack, it's just a character who happens to be Asian-American. Amaury • 22:42, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

@Amaury: Seems incidental to the series and therefore not defining. Only mention in article is a review. One episode revolved around it otherwise seems minor. Geraldo Perez (talk) 23:27, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

iCarly

An editor is changing the end date of this series - the original, as opposed to its revival - to "present", which is incorrect ([2]), and has now done it twice, so I gave them a warning for disruptive editing. More eyes needed; pinging IJBall and Amaury. They have also changed the image of the logo to the one for the revival ([3]), which violates fair use policies. MPFitz1968 (talk) 06:47, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

And has crossed Magitroopa elsewhere with edit warring. It looks to me like this editor is likely heading towards a block... Let me know if more backup is needed at iCarly, as the 2021 revival series should continued to be considered a separate TV series and not a "new season" of the original show. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 06:50, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

I have now given the editor a level 4 warning for the continued disruptive editing (diff) I mentioned in my original post. MPFitz1968 (talk) 11:04, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

Will also note myself that this may (???) be a WP:CIR case- they don't seem to know how to space things properly, such as this, this, this, and many other edits of theirs. Magitroopa (talk) 06:23, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

FYI, more problems have surfaced regarding this user- I've just opened an ANI, Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Possible WP:CIR user. Magitroopa (talk) 17:15, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

WP:DE at Chicken Girls

Geraldo, can you please tell me the IP range that has been engaging in WP:DE (ignoring WP:TVCAST) at Chicken Girls – one of us needs to report this to WP:AIV. Thanks. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 14:43, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

@IJBall: I requested a page protect but admin range blocked the IP instead.Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:11, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

OK, so it was 2601:181:4600:B90:0:0:0:0/64 – would never have figured that out on my own. Also, worth noting that this IP seems like a WP:SPA – edits only on Chicken Girls and other Brat TV content. Doesn't look to edit any other topic. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:32, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Bunk'd

@IJBall and MPFitz1968: Going to need more eyes here, or closer eyes if already watching, given what's happened in the past when people insisted the second, third, and fourth seasons were the last. The only thing we have is that today was the season finale. Nothing about the series. Amaury • 05:52, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Carolina IP "resolution" vandal

This one is back, most recently at 174.253.128.89. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 04:12, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

@IJBall: That is just one of the very many Verizon cellular data IPs he continually uses. I am watching the range it is in and noticed your revert. Geraldo Perez (talk) 04:19, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

My Babysitter's a Vampire (TV series)

Yes it does FremantleMedia use to produce and distribute the show, until its kids and family division was brought by Boat Rocker Media in 2018.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Nabasile (talk • contribs) 17:04, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

@Nabasile: Looking at the end credits, all I can confirm is FremantleMedia as the explicitly named distributor. FreshTV is well-covered in the article as the company that produced the series. Teletoon is also mentioned in the credits but no role is given. It looks like Fremantle's only involvement is as distributor and Teletoon committed to buy the series. Geraldo Perez (talk) 18:04, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

I know it was, but from 2018 onwards the show is now distributed by Boat Rocker Media. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nabasile (talk • contribs) 18:14, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

@Nabasile: That may be but all that goes in the infobox is the original airing information as credited and sourced. The series ended in 2012, changes after that have little relevance to the article. Geraldo Perez (talk) 18:25, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

@Nabasile: Also looking at the Boat Rocker Media article, it look like they are more of a holding company with a lot of divisions and sub units. It is most likely that the credits going forward will be to the named sub units, and not to Boat Rocker proper. Geraldo Perez (talk) 18:37, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Another IP adding cats to lots of articles

We still have an IP editor adding (likely WP:NOTDEFINING) categories to a lot of articles: today at 2600:6C64:727F:EBE1:AC4D:4C6C:BCEF:EA3F and 2600:6C64:727F:EBE1:EC76:B3A9:F9AD:CC5A. But it feels like this has been going on for several days now, and didn't the last attempt lead to a block?... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 23:48, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

@IJBall: The IP Special:Contributions/2600:6C64:727F:EBE1::/64 you identified, looks like same person as Special:Contributions/174.79.153.20 and Special:Contributions/2603:7080:6E03:CE00::/64 both currently blocked. Geraldo Perez (talk) 23:59, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

@IJBall: Now blocked for a week - I was hoping for longer. Geraldo Perez (talk) 02:02, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Dunno if it's the same editor, but we've got 12.207.135.194 also doing lots of unexplained category changes. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 06:38, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

@IJBall: Not the same person. 12.207... seems to be making good faith attempts at updating categories, ones I checked weren't blatantly wrong but I didn't analyze them fully, I'll let someone else validate them for WP:CATVER and WP:DEFINING. Other IP was adding "set in xxx" categories not supported by the article and sometimes laughingly wrong indicating no attempt to even try to get them right. Also geo locates to opposite sides of the country. Geraldo Perez (talk) 15:26, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

This is an example of adding/changing cats based on questionable genres – this is one of the most disruptive types of category edits by IPs, and does not inspire my confidence. I would advise scrutinizing every edit from this IP for stuff like this... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 15:31, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

@IJBall: That violated CATVER and should be reverted and the IP warned. I'll make a pass over the edits when I get a chance. Still seems good-faith but over eager and doesn't understand the rules. If continues after rules explained, then should get reported. Can't do anything to IP until there are sufficient records of instructions and warnings on IP's talk page. Geraldo Perez (talk) 15:37, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

@IJBall: I also note that he is correctly pruning some categories as well. Indicates to me that he is actually trying to improve the articles and is making some sort of due consideration of what he is doing. Does have the feel of an experienced editor on a dynamic IP though. Geraldo Perez (talk) 15:46, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

Showbuzz Daily

@IJBall, MPFitz1968, and Starforce13: We’re as Surprised as You Are. They do have intentions on posting the finals—just as text, no charts—from May 12 through the present day at some point as well, which means we'd be able to source many of our ratings since some people don't think SpoilerTV is reliable for the ratings part of their site, which come directly from Nielsen, but whatever. Everything current will be in the pretty charts, though. Amaury • 18:21, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

Disruptive editing

Hello. This is a message to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions did not appear to be constructive and have been reverted. Please take some time to familiarise yourself with our policies and guidelines. You can find information about these at our welcome page which also provides further information about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. If you only meant to make test edits, please use your sandbox for that. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you may leave a message on my talk page. Thank you.TheHotwiki (talk) 00:44, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

@Hotwiki: My issue is with the unsourced data and the divergence from the infobox instructions which are fairly clear. Specifically avoid using SDTV as a format as it is ambiguous. I just modified your last revert of my edit to make it conform to the infobox instructions. It also is more accurate as to what was being broadcast at the beginning of the series. Geraldo Perez (talk) 00:58, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Most Tv articles in Wikipedia don't have a source for the aspect ratio/picture format. You kept deleting it as if the program was never upgraded to SDTV and HDTV - which is misinformation. Wikipedia doesn't have a rule to mention only 1 picture format. What picture format did the show used then in the five decades its been on television?TheHotwiki (talk) 02:51, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

@Hotwiki: Most shows that list multiple formats list the dates the formats were used which is actually useful information. Series started in 70s and Philippines used NTSC then (one of few countries outside US/Canada which did), DTV stuff came later. Anyway nothing in article about this so it is still unsourced, most of the info is in the linked network articles but not specific to this particular show. Also suggest reading the instructions at Template:Infobox television for that attribute. I was trying to make it conform to that. And also WP:V. The other articles that list unsourced formats should be sourcing where they got the info. Different shows transitioned at different times and a lot of editors are just making assumptions when adding formats, and a lot of it is wrong when checked. Looks like boilerplate text additions with no consideration in a lot of cases, see the exact same wiki markup text. Geraldo Perez (talk) 03:08, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

I don't think I can track down the exact year in which the show changed its picture format. But the article has a link to its YouTube account, located in the opening paragralh (in which full episodes are uploaded), in which should provide its current picture format.TheHotwiki (talk) 03:14, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

@Hotwiki: Usually the information is from the network itself and it is fairly common for networks to transition formats for all major shows at the same time. I know little about Philippines (just that originally used NTSC and likely currently use HDTV 1080i - what is in the middle I don't know), mostly familiar with transition dates in US and it is complicated with different networks doing different things. Still, if you can find the dates it would improve the article. Geraldo Perez (talk) 03:23, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

I would add a reference when I saw a reference for it. I just hope you know, I reverted your edit because, I found a reference backing up the 1080p picture format for the TV show Kapwa Ko, Mahal Ko - the show's YouTube channel reference is in the opening paragraph of the article. It just wasn't seen in the infobox. TheHotwiki (talk) 03:49, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Here we go again...

@MPFitz1968, IJBall, and Magitroopa: If you're interested, Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2021 August 26#Template:Danger Franchise. Amaury • 15:57, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

When Is It Appropriate to Add Categories to Redirects?

Asking as the header says – when should cats be added to redirects? Thanks... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 13:46, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

@IJBall: Generally for article-type categories, only on redirects tagged with, or could be tagged with, {{R with possibilities}} "redirect from a title that potentially could be expanded into a new article" - basically placeholders for potential future articles. There should be sufficient info at the redirect target to support WP:CATVER. I see this done for character names that point to a section in a list of characters article and it would be nice to have all the character names in the category. Usually where there are articles for some of the characters and a redirect into the list for others and it is desired to have the same categories for both. Shouldn't ever be done for alias type redirects as only the primary article should be categorized. Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:21, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm thinking for something like High Strung Free Dance it would be useful to add some categories to that even though it's just a redirect to the original film, High Strung (2016 film). Occasionally you see redirects for movies that don't have standalone articles (and may never) that should still be included in some of the film categories... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 18:08, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

@IJBall: That looks reasonable to me. Particularly since it is a redirect to a section that directly covers the topic with some detail more than just a mention. Geraldo Perez (talk) 18:14, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

For Better or Worse (TV series)

Going to need more eyes here. I requested page protection the other day, but clearly it hasn't gone through. See page history. Amaury • 17:53, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Looking at the archives of RFPP, it looks like the IP was blocked, though I see no signs of it, and it's clearly still an issue. Amaury • 18:06, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

@Amaury: You should contact the person who said the IP was blocked and ask what happened. It looks to be a fairly large range and I couldn't find a block with a short search of different ranges that included the ones adding that one appearance character to the main cast list. Geraldo Perez (talk) 18:20, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

@Amaury: Special:Contributions/2600:8805:309:9500::/64 was blocked which got a lot of them. The range is too small for all IPs used though. Would need to block Special:Contributions/2600:8805:300::/44 at least to cover the range used. Geraldo Perez (talk) 18:24, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Pinging blocking administrator El_C. Amaury • 18:25, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

I have no memory of doing that, but I guess I did. Anyway, I'd rather semiprotect this page for a while than block the /44 due to collateral. But what's the issue with adding Bobbi Kristina Brown? I checked the great RS that is IMDB, and she's listed there. Note: Ctrl+F "brown" on the cast page produces so many results! El_C 19:20, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

@El C: The IPs make no mention of this other than "I added her to the list," which tells me nothing. Plus, IMDb is WP:NOTRS. It can generally be correct, just can't trust it. Amaury • 19:24, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @El C: The name is being added to the infobox starring list which is the principal cast as shown in the credits. Person being added had a single appearance on the show and is not and never was part of the main cast. Geraldo Perez (talk) 19:26, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

@Geraldo Perez: ah, I see. Right, she played "Tina" in ep 1. Man, this series looks painfully dull. Anyway, sprotected for one month. El_C 19:33, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

@Amaury: the great RS that is IMDB + Plus, IMDb is WP:NOTRS = joke fail. El_C 19:40, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

SDTV picture format

SDTV stands for Standard Definition TV and has nothing to do with Digital Television (DTV). All old programming from the era of 4:3 screens and either 525 line NTSC or 625 line PAL pictures is retrospectively labelled SDTV as opposed to HDTV. Please kindly revert all your deletions of picture formats from articles for programmes made in Standard Definition. 2.24.70.193 (talk) 23:54, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

See template:Infobox television and the writeup for picture format. Use of SDTV is discourage completely because it is ambiguous and generally incorrectly used. The acronym didn't exist until digital TV was created and HDTV and SDTV were defined as two of the formats for that. It was never used before then. The recommended formats for analog TV is PAL, NTSC and SECAM, not SDTV. Geraldo Perez (talk) 00:03, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Alyson Stoner

Going to need more eyes on this article – IP engaging in WP:DE/WP:Edit warring and ignoring Talk page conversation. I'm the only one watching it, and I've reached my limit. Thanks --IJBall (contribs • talk) 01:42, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Asher Angel

Doesn't this seem redundant with the American child male actors category above? Amaury • 18:47, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

@Amaury: They are separate. "child" "film" "television" are separate modifiers. If it were "child film" and "child television" they would be subcategories. Geraldo Perez (talk) 18:56, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

D'Ambrosio Twins

@IJBall: Pretty sure this fails WP:BASIC and WP:NACTOR. And whether it meets those or not, I'm pretty sure it should be two separate articles, just as we have two separate articles for the Sprouse twins since they're still two separate people. Amaury • 19:56, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

@Amaury: NACTOR dubious right now, no significant roles and no significant coverage, only passing, in reliable sources, although 1 did get a daytime Emmy for younger actor award for a guest role. WP:TOOSOON in my opinion. If the starring vehicle pans out they'd likely meet NACTOR for that. As for treating as a duo, they have done nothing separate and most bio info is identical. Makes sense to combine for now. Geraldo Perez (talk) 20:09, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Geraldo and IJBall, I've moved it to draftspace: Draft:D'Ambrosio Twins. Although I forgot to lowercase "twins" since that shouldn't be capitalized, as we don't use title case for our articles. IJBall, could you move it so "twins" is lowercase without leaving a redirect? Thank you. Amaury • 19:15, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

Done – moved to Draft:D'Ambrosio twins. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 19:19, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

User:Mortaylor26

Another editor adding unsourced, and in some cases erroneous, entries to the 'distributor' (and in some cases the 'network') parameter of the infobox. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 02:40, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

Another editor has popped up with similar edits- User:Moviefan0902. Magitroopa (talk) 02:26, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Another questionable image

This image is claimed to be "own work", but I am highly skeptical. (FTR, I'm also skeptical it is of the subject claimed – I'm not sure it's Munro.) As always, I will leave it to you, as you know the next steps (if necessary). --IJBall (contribs • talk) 01:45, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

@IJBall: I could find no evidence he didn't take this picture. Has valid camera EXIF and info in it is consistent. File is full sized for camera used. I looked for matches with image search and only found this image and copies of it. Usual tells of "found on web" not there. Can't be certain, of course, but if he didn't take it, can't find where he got it from. Geraldo Perez (talk) 02:01, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

OK, so we're down to I'm not convinced that it's Munro, which probably isn't enough to remove... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 03:22, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

IP range question

Geraldo, is there a way to check the editing for an IP range around aside from using the following template? – 2601:3C6:4200:4500:3C36:DFB4:58FF:243E (talk · contribs · (/64) · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)

FTR, this IP editor has been disruptively adding bold to cast lists in contravention of MOS:TVCAST for months/years now, so this needs to be monitored... Thanks. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 13:33, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

@IJBall: IP range is most likely /64 as that is most common for individuals using IPv6. Special:Contributions/2601:3C6:4200:4500::/64. No blocks on that range so far. Next range to check is the next higher major range Special:Contributions/2601:3C6:4200::/48 and look for similar edits to try to identify any other /64 range being used - I didn't see any with a quick check. Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:58, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

Is there a "Special page" (or tool) to check ranges though? I would think there would be, but I didn't find one. Otherwise I either have to do it your (hard!) way above, or remember about the {{IPvandal}} template... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:45, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

@IJBall: I am not aware of anything other than what I mentioned above. I've been looking for something better too and have yet to find it. Basically the best I know how to do is just widen the range and look for similar patterns. I don't find checking the ranges that hard. If you look at the contributions of a single IP in a range the contributions page that pops up allows edits to the range directly there as well as a way to limit the dates searched. The special page is just what it uses and is easy to document. Geraldo Perez (talk) 18:06, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

Cobra Kai

I noticed an editor split off content about the episodes from that article into individual season articles, which had been drafts prior to being moved into article space. They didn't follow WP:SPLIT or WP:CWW in performing this process, and I documented this in that article's talk page. I am thinking that they copied content from the article into the drafts without any attribution. Then they moved the drafts into article space and removed the episode content from the article. Will also ping IJBall about this. As this concerns copyright and licensing, I felt it necessary to bring this up. MPFitz1968 (talk) 02:22, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

Recent TV category moves

This discussion recently occurred, and now all the movings from the deleted categories are under way. However... isn't this now an incorrect category on several articles?

I first saw this occur on Corn & Peg, but for an animated show, wouldn't 'filmed in' now be incorrect? Should animated series keep the new category on, or should they be removed? I'm not going through each category to see, but if it should be removed, there's plenty of animated shows now with the 'filmed in' category on their article. Magitroopa (talk) 07:39, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

@Magitroopa: Filmed in for an animated series seems wrong for things that aren't "filmed". In the example I could find no mention of either filmed or produced in Toronto in the article so the category should be removed anyway per WP:CATVER. Likely a lot could be removed per WP:CATVER. People are adding these categories using information not supplied in the article itself. Geraldo Perez (talk) 07:48, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

Should the 'filmed in' category be removed from any other animated articles (whether the article supports the location itself or not) since it isn't 'filmed'? Or should it just be kept for the time being? Magitroopa (talk) 16:34, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

@Magitroopa: I suggest bringing this up at WP:CfD referencing the moves being make and how they don't really cover animation. They should fix it some other way maybe with a new more inclusive category such as the original one. CATVER applies to every category. I'd generally just remove stuff that has no mention of any location at all in the article. This will be contentious as people populating those categories have outside info and are using that and will insist the categories remain. Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:42, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

Dakota Fanning

May need more eyes here – IP WP:DE/edit warring. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 02:28, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

@IJBall: Only mention I saw in article is in lead and unsourced at that. Best I can tell she just appeared on some covers and maybe had some photos take, standard publicity for an actress. Far far from having any sort of separate notable modeling career or occupation. Geraldo Perez (talk) 02:45, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Handy Manny

I would advise double-checking/verifying the voice cast for this show, because it likely contains fraudulent entries – I just removed Isabella Crovetti from the article when I could find no indication of her participation with this series on either IMDb or in her Wiki article. If she was added fraudulently, it's likely others were too. Indeed, some of the characters listed may themselves be made-up. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 12:29, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Need assistance

Edit warring at Danielle Savre, including addition of an image that is almost certainly a WP:COPYVIO. Thanks. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 19:43, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Report filed: Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#User:Saturnc0rp reported by User:Amaury (Result: ). Amaury • 19:55, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

@IJBall: Found lots of copies of the photo on the net, definitely not owned by the uploader, no EXIF is a major clue. It is from a photoshoot of some sort, not sure where that exact copy came from. Just tagged it as needing permission which should get it deleted as doubt any will be forthcoming. Geraldo Perez (talk) 20:16, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Christy Carlson Romano

I'm going to need more eyes on this – based on the content of the edits, I am quite certain that 2600:1700:2A90:95B0:C1E:B7EA:D524:3499 is User:Tilla30 editing while logged out to avoid scrutiny – see User talk:Tilla30 for more context: the gist is denying current article sourcing because they don't agree with the cited ethnicity, etc. We may need article protection here if this persists. Thanks. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 02:59, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Latest WP:NOTBROKEN offender

Jediknight15. And you can't convince me that this isn't a much smaller group of editors disruptively doing this by socking... Will need to be mass reverted. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 12:22, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

@IJBall: Looks to be independent. Common theme for a lot of editors to update credit info in old projects to reflect latest name changes. Names as credited still applies but they think they are fixing the articles. Geraldo Perez (talk) 15:10, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

And another one of these types at Fkevin95 (this one is more adding inappropriate anachronistic entries to the IB). Also, you may want to add the cleanup (the IB at) Just Shoot Me! to your list... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 03:31, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Crediting (order) question – The Next Step (2013 TV series)

Geraldo, so I've sampled the two first episodes of the first season of The Next Step, as the first 5 seasons are on Amazon Prime Video, and the article's generally been a mess for a long time.

So I'm looking at fixing the cast listing, as per WP:TVCAST, and I've run into an issue: the front credits do not include the two "adult" characters – here is the listing as per the season #1 front credits in order [add: note – the front credits list only the characters' names, not the actors):

Alexandra Beaton as Emily
Victoria Baldesarra as Michelle
Trevor Tordjman as James
Brittany Raymond as Riley
Tamina Pollack Paris as Tiffany
Jordan Clark as Giselle
Jennifer Pappas as Chloe
Isaac Lupien as Eldon
Samantha Grecchi as Stephanie
Lamar Johnson as West
Brennan Clost as Daniel

Meanwhile, the end credits (for the "main" cast) is alphabetical, and does include the two "adult" cast members (I've italicized those two, who coincidentally, are listed first and last!):

Shamier Anderson as Chris
Victoria Baldesarra as Michelle
Alexandra Beaton as Emily
Jordan Clark as Giselle Bellamy
Brennan Clost as Daniel
Samantha Grecchi as Stephanie
Lamar Johnson as West
Isaac Lupien as Eldon
Jennifer Pappas as Chloe
Tamina Pollack Paris as Tffany
Brittany Raymond as Riley
Trevor Tordjman as James
Bree Wasylenko as Kate

The similar Canadian TV series Backstage didn't have this issue, as the two "adult" characters were included in the opening credits.

So, I'm kind of wondering what "order" I should go with? – The "front credits" order, with the two "adult" characters "appended" on to the end (in alphabetical order)? Or just go with the "end credits" (alphabetical) order?... Thanks. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 00:56, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

@IJBall: Strict credit order is what is listed first in the opening credits appended by what was added later in the end credits in order listed there. Basically your first choice. Geraldo Perez (talk) 01:01, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

One other thing – the production cards at the end of the episodes include a "Cicada Films" production card before the card for Temple Street Productions. Currently, Cicada is not included in the infobox, and the 'Production' section at the article doesn't even cover anything about the production companies... Any ideas on what to do here? --IJBall (contribs • talk) 01:58, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

@IJBall: I'm not sure that "Cicada Films" is a production company or what their involvement in the series was. Could find nothing about it with a quick web search. Likely the business name for one of the producers but don't really know what they are. I'd leave it out, it is not mentioned in the article. Geraldo Perez (talk) 02:09, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

OK, I think I've beaten the cast listing at the main series article into submission, using the listing at List of The Next Step characters which I am assuming is correct, based on the cast table. Please keep an eye on this article though – any attempts to "add back" anyone to the cast listing will almost certainly be adding recurring cast, not main cast. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 03:12, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Selena Gomez

The image used in the infobox has been altered - someone uploading it to the image file which had the previous image that was there prior to this edit in the article. If I recall right, the image currently shown was deleted by Wikimedia Commons under a different file name, and still may be a copyright violation. MPFitz1968 (talk) 15:07, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

@MPFitz1968: I reverted the Commons image to the original. People are not supposed to overwrite images with totally different images. See C:Commons:Overwriting existing files. Geraldo Perez (talk) 15:44, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

Jess Harnell

I'm likely to need help here – this article is a magnet for bad editing, and the latest we've got here is an Edit warring WP:BATTLEGROUND IP. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 21:01, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Note: Same editor is posting to Meta under 97.33.67.61 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log). FTR. I think I will report this to Admin NinjaRobotPirate. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 22:22, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

I’m here to explain myself that I’ve done none of those false clams he’s saying about me. He’s the one that started this situation, I was only following the policy and adding sources of Jess Harnell’s birth date and place in the infobox. Plus, he’s the one that harassed me in the edit summaries telling me to stop were I’ve done nothing wrong. He’s also the one that started the edit war, not me. I have physical evidence to prove it. He’s just blaming me for everything over the problems he caused in the first place. I swear, that’s the entire truth. I’ve done none of those things. But I did confess that I did curse at him by mistake on the Meta Wiki on his talk page, but that’s because he’s refusing to listen to me because I asked him politely to stop with his abrasive editing, that’s all. Please don’t listen to a single word he says about me, because that’s all 100% not true. 50.79.183.249 (talk) 17:18, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

FTR, this IP was blocked, as were the others, and I even had one of this editor's IP's blocked on Meta for harassment. I'm not sure who these IPs are, but they obviously originate with a SPI-socker or WP:LTA case... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:44, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

Dude, I left you a politful apology message on your Meta talk page and your still fabricating these false claims. I’m trying to be nice you and you still refuse to forgive me. 23.25.251.177 (talk) 13:53, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

User:Mortaylor26

User made the same kind of edit at Austin & Ally that you reverted before [4]. I reverted the latest and was about to warn them, but I see they have a recent level 4 already for something related [5]. Pinging Magitroopa who filed that warning. This is borderline between going to WP:AIV and WP:ANI to file a report. Won't do it for this latest disruption, but should be reported on next one. Can't say which noticeboard to head to, though. MPFitz1968 (talk) 16:14, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

And note that I already posted to Geraldo about this editor: User talk:Geraldo Perez/Archive 26#User:Mortaylor26. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:21, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Just as an FYI... more warnings have been given to this same user afterwards, and a 24-hour block yesterday for continuing the behavior. Reported at AIV yet again. If they continue any further, next should be WP:ANI. Magitroopa (talk) 02:20, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

Now reported- WP:ANI#Mortaylor26 - persistent disruptive editing, mainly WP:NOTBROKEN. Magitroopa (talk) 03:32, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

Problematic IP Is Back After Block

IP: 74.89.57.202 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) – don't trust these edits, and they should at least be double-checked. Pinging Binksternet as well, as they have also dealt with this IP before. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 22:28, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

74.89.57.200 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) is just off 3 month block, 202 is still on 1 year block. Geraldo Perez (talk) 22:39, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

Right – must have copied-and-pasted the wrong IP. Obviously the same editor, either way. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 23:59, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

Redirect changes

Geraldo – I am requesting you assess the recent redirect target changes made by 71.185.183.235 to determine whether you think they are valid or incorrect. Thanks. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 14:09, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

@IJBall: Most changes were generally poorer choices. Also unjustified with an edit summary explaining why he thought it better. One was changing the redirect from a short name of a notable person to his article to point to some TV series a similar named non-notable person appeared in. Also some vandalism with fake credits and unsourced BLP changes. Need to watch. Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:28, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Wolf Lake

Need more eyes here – IP insists upon adding improperly sourced WP:OR content. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 13:12, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Please assess edit

Geraldo, could you please assess what you think of this edit? Thanks. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 01:51, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

@IJBall: References check except the Amazon site says "WEA Corp". WEA International redirects to Warner Music Group which covers WEA. Likely the same entity. Geraldo Perez (talk) 02:17, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Girl Meets World

Pinging IJBall and MPFitz1968. Someone is trying to create standalone season articles for this series. I've already reverted twice, once at the redirect they removed at Girl Meets World (season 1), and once at List of Girl Meets World episodes. Putting aside the issues of them not properly attributing the split and not creating a discussion beforehand, we don't even consider standalone season articles until a series is past four seasons, so five or more seasons. For example, The Middle, The Goldbergs, Modern Family, etc. However, as per IJBall's comments in the past on the matter, the majority of television series, regardless of number of seasons, really don't merit standalone season articles, let alone standalone episode articles. Amaury • 04:54, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello:

How are you doing today on this Wednesday? DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 20:59, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

24.93.28.94

My guess is that you'll want to examine this IP's edits... FYI. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 20:59, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

@IJBall: Pretty much everything I checked was unsourced, mostly wrong or presumptions. NTSC stopped being used in 2009 for example and he was adding that to later series. Geraldo Perez (talk) 21:25, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

Looks like this one still needs monitoring... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 12:53, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

Still at it, so I've now given them a Level 4 UW – next stop is WP:AIV. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 13:53, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

Now appears to be at 2603:7081:240:4D00:600B:5913:CEFC:AAA1 since the IPv4 was blocked. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:12, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

@IJBall: He sure is persistent. He's been using both IPv6 and IPv4 over the last few days, depends on what his IP gives him when connecting or what Wikipedia chooses to see when both are used simultaneously as a lot of IPs assign them both. Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:57, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

And back at 2603:7081:240:4D00:911B:759B:35F1:B6A8 – same editing behavior. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 14:17, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Another IP problem

Problematic edits by another IP at 2601:80:4102:3420:4D65:25D0:70EB:C906 (talk · contribs · (/64) · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) though this one looks a lot smaller in scope – still, you may want to check the IP range... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 12:34, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

And another IP

I would advise checking the edits of 85.255.236.209 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) too – some of these edits seem to be following WP:NOTBROKEN, but other edits seems dubious. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 13:59, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Kimie Tsukakoshi

This clearly does not pass WP:BASIC or WP:NACTOR. One of the sources is our no-no IMDB. However, I don't know whether to request deletion or redirect to The Bureau of Magical Things. She's appeared in more than just that series. Ping IJBall as well. Amaury • 20:23, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Should just be deleted if in more than one project, no good redirect target. Best is move to draft space and delete the redirect to the draft. Geraldo Perez (talk) 20:27, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

I've gone ahead and requested straight deletion rather than moving it to draftspace, as the user in question has been blocked as a confirmed sock. Amaury • 17:45, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

107.195.41.121

Another IP making questionable changes to categories. Worth a look. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 23:39, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for help TheoHiatt-Dennis (talk) 23:31, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

@TheoHiatt-Dennis: It appears you have a conflict of interest for the draft article you are creating and the project you are adding that name to. I could find no confirmation that she appeared in the film. IMDb is generally very accurate for released film credits and she isn't listed. Geraldo Perez (talk) 23:40, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

I saw that name in the credits TheoHiatt-Dennis (talk) 11:28, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

Holly Hobbie (TV series)

Geraldo, could you please take a look at this article? I am concerned about recent additions, esp. the soundtrack info, as that seems like WP:UNDUE to me. Other stuff, like violations of WP:FUTURESEASON, are obviously wrong, but I can fix that after you take a look at it. Thanks. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:08, 19 October 2021 (UTC)