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[edit]Hello, glad to be of help, I have improved the reference section of Gabriella Ricca, I removed some of the sources that were not reliable sources. I have placed a dead link note on the USA today, please try to find the article, if you can't find it, it should be removed. I have also reformated the references to the preferred format. you can use this templates to do the same on your future edits: {{Cite web}}, {{Cite news}} and {{Cite book}}. The easy way to use them is to use the cite on the menu at the top of the edit window and then select form the templates list the one you want to use. Just fill in the parameters you want and they will be formated for you. Enjoy your edits.--Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 18:06, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for your help. USA Today online used the picture from the Courier-Post article. The picture is of her holding her medals along with other Athletes. What can be done about that. Thanks again for your help.Georgivac (talk) 19:08, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
Recent merge of Gabriella Ricca article
[edit]Hello, Georgivac. In reply to your question, the applicable notability guideline at Wikipedia:Notability (sports) states, Junior gymnasts are deemed notable if they meet any of the criteria below (females only):
- won an individual gold medal at the junior national championships for any of the following countries: USA, Russia, China, Romania
- won an individual gold medal, in the junior division, at an elite international competition (An elite international competition is: any competition with considerable international WP:GNG coverage between at least eight notable athletes (examples of such competitions include: Pan American Games, Asian Games, Commonwealth Games, European Championships, and Pacific Rim Championships).
- won an individual medal at the Youth Olympic Games.
Unless I missed it, the article did not make a claim to any of the above. The existence of local newspaper coverage does not automatically mean a subject satisfies Wikipedia's notability requirements. Note that the information contained in the article has not been lost. It appears in its entirety in the Tony Ricca article and it can be restored to its own article if and when Gabriella Ricca satisfies the notabililty requirements. Regards, Accurizer (talk) 04:00, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
Re: Recent merge of Gabriella Ricca article
[edit]Hi Accurizer, thanks for the reply. I will look into that information. With respect under Community in Hammonton, NJ, is she in the right category or should there be another one created under it? Also, please advise as to her page being restored. Thank you kindly. Georgivac (talk)
Hi Accurizer, I haven’t had a reply from you so I did notice as you stated Gabriella Ricca does not meet Wikipedia’s WP:NGYMNASTICS, However she does meet Wikipedia’s WP:GNG as some following links with a few multiple articles of in depth coverage to satisfy for her page to be brought back. She is eligible through WP:GNG. The articles mentioned are not press releases. The articles are verifiable as they are published works from the media and other sources that’s required.
There is one article released through many of USA Today’s papers throughout the USA (Nationally) at that time, as they can now be found on their online website under Gymnastics. She was featured in the sports section for it. Her photo’s are provided in the article. There are many more that I don’t need to keep providing. This is probably used as one (1) verifiable article/source.
Link with story pic on UsaToday.com - http://www.usatoday.com/topic/b07264cc-172c-4ddf-acca-50b860a5cc76/gymnastics/ (Scroll down to Hammonton girl adjusts, wins gymnastics title) - Here is the article - http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2014/07/27/hammonton-girl-adjusts-wins-gymnastics-title/13251325/
The Wisconsinrapidstribune.com - (Scroll down to Hammonton girl adjusts, wins gymnastics title as you will find it again) http://www.wisconsinrapidstribune.com/topic/b07264cc-172c-4ddf-acca-50b860a5cc76/gymnastics/
The Courierpostonline.com - goes directly to the page http://www.courierpostonline.com/story/sports/2014/07/27/hammonton-girl-adjusts-wins-gymnastics-title/13251325/
The list goes on throughout the USA for this article. All valid and verifiable as it shows
The following from the pressofatlanticcity.com would be the Second (2nd) verifiable article/source.
The pressofatlanticcity.com features her in their article under Everyone Has a Story: Ex-wrestler dad helped young gymnast grapple with fear http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/blogs/michelle_post/everyone-has-a-story-ex-wrestler-dad-helped-young-gymnast/article_188e0bb2-0afb-11e4-b3dd-0019bb2963f4.html
Some of the above links are already provided on Tony Ricca’s
The Hammonton Gazette Article - A Third (3rd) verifiable article/source. The Hammonton Gazette 07/09/14 Edition - Page 69 - Joomag https://www.joomag.com/...hammonton.../0557493001404911143?... Jul 9, 2014 - arena honored for success Gabriella ricca wins gymnastics titles Wednesday, July 9, 2014 • The Hammonton Gazette • Page 57 by dan ...
The Hammonton News featured her in their paper but it’s not online. A copy can be provided if necessary. This would be another verifiable Article/Source.
There’s an online article on The Pharaoh (Tony Ricca), Gabriella Ricca’s father which mentions her accomplishments in that article. If you need this please ask.
The following link is from a website called america.pink. http://america.pink/gabriella-ricca_1653713.html
The following website is a live scoring system that documents athletic events. Here’s where she can be found for her World Championship Scores. This is very valid as it is a scoring system for athletes and should be considered at least a Fourth (4th) verifiable source. http://www.meetscoresonline.com/2014-FL-USAIGC-IAIGC-World-Championships - Click Meet Results and scroll down to Session: 3 Level: CO Division: 12 yrs Click PDF - She’s also in the Top Scores Bracket.
Please advise as to adding back the page Gabriella Ricca. Two of what I provided is considered multiple sources (that’s debatable if you don’t consider that). So I’ve produced more to show more sources that constitutes a multiple amount of them. She should now meet the requirements through WP:GNG from the above mentioned provided.
I took my time to provide the necessary information that would be needed to show the validation of her through WP:GNG. I look forward to your consideration for the above to place her back on her own page. Please reply with any additional information that may be needed or please point me to talk with a higher editor regarding this. It would be much appreciated. I was told that this was enough to put her back up. Thank you very much Georgivac (talk)
- Hello again, Georgivac. The first three articles are really one author/source, as you noted. The Press of Atlantic City article appears to exist only because of her father's identity; it does not establish her independent notability. I have not seen the local Hammonton article but in my view WP:NOTNEWS seems to apply. It states, "Wikipedia considers the enduring notability of persons and events. While news coverage can be useful source material for encyclopedic topics, most newsworthy events do not qualify for inclusion. For example, routine news reporting on things like announcements, sports, or celebrities is not a sufficient basis for inclusion in the encyclopedia." (Emphasis in bold was added by me).
- Whether or not she has "enduring notability" is not yet known; the news articles to date represent more or less a single snapshot in time. Though she was newsworthy at that time, news reporting on sports is not a sufficient basis for inclusion. Since her notability is doubtful at this time, it is possible the article was an attempt at promotion. WP:PROMO states that Wikipedia content is not for "Advocacy, propaganda, or recruitment of any kind: commercial, political, scientific, religious, national, sports-related, or otherwise." (Again, emphasis in bold was added by me).
- For the foregoing reasons I continue to believe that she does not yet satisfy the notability requirements and the merger should stand. I am not in favor of the material you added in the "Community" section of Hammonton, New Jersey; it seems off-topic there but I will leave it to other editors to decide. If you wish to dispute this you could start by posting your arguments on the article talk page, Talk:Gabriella Ricca. Regards, Accurizer (talk) 02:50, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
Hi Accurizer, again, looking at the WP:GNG she has the right to have her own page for her notability. She has multiple sources citing this to validate her eligibility. According to this, she doesn’t need to have “enduring notability” as you stated in bold.
You stated “The Press of Atlantic City article appears to exist only because of her father's identity; it does not establish her independent notability.” This is only your opinion of reading it. When I’m reading it, It sites clearly about her, which shows her independent notability as her father is mentioned because of his status but doesn’t take away from her personal independent notable achievement. This is another source. You mentioned “it is possible the article was an attempt at promotion” which is the furthest from the truth and another opinion from you. I read your paragraph on that and it is absolutely not true as it’s suggested from only you. An article of her father mentions her as she will be having her first professional wrestling match. That’s not online but in the newspaper. That in itself has enduring notability.
She does satisfy the notability requirements.
We’re both reading it differently. It has stood up for quite some time but you decided to remove her page as no one else felt the need not to so.
About the “Community” section of Hammonton, NJ; you stated “it seems off-topic there but I will leave it to other editors to decide” Do you have another area that she should be at? Here’s what it’s under and tell me what’s wrong with her not being there. Events[edit] In 1949, Hammonton was the winner of the Little League World Series, after finishing third in the tournament in both 1947 and 1948. The Hammonton team was the first official team located outside of Pennsylvania.[125] On July 24, 2011, Ricca's Italian Bakery set a Guinness World Record for the Longest Line of Cakes.[126] On June 25, 2014 Female Gymnast, Gabriella Ricca (born 2002), won the USAIGC/IAIGC Gymnastics World Championships in the 12-year-old division's All-Around Champion and Bar Champion [127] In November 2014, in a study conducted by credit donkey.com, Hammonton was ranked second happiest city in New Jersey. The ranking was based on restaurants, crime rate, commute, departure time, income, divorce rate, and housing.[128]
Should she be under Popular culture, Wineries and alcohol consumption, Downtown, Festivals, Presidential visits, Blueberry capital? Let’s look at Events, it shows Hammonton was a winner of the Little League World Series. Should this be considered a snapshot? This is an athletic sport, like gymnastics is an athletic sport would you say it isn’t and they were the same age as Gabriella Ricca during both of their wins. Should both of these be removed from other editors. Ricca’s Italian Bakery in 2011 did hold a world record event in Hammonton. A study conducted by donkey.com ranked Hammonton second happiest city in New Jersey. You would leave this? Maybe Gabriella and the Hammonton Little League World Series winners should have their own section since their both champions. Many areas under Community should be looked at closer as I look at it clearer now.
I have pointed this out because it’s relevant. There are inconsistencies with your opinion, as we both look at it differently. I would appreciate you looking at it again. Please advise. You seem to have your own opinion as do I on the sources from The Press of Atlantic City as well as well as how the WP:GNG is properly understood. Some of your statements are not solid and opinionated and should be looked into by an higher editor. Your statements are your words that insinuate certain things that become opinionated. I stated the facts and you’re overlooking some of them. You stated "Wikipedia considers the enduring notability of persons and events.” considers doesn’t mean it has to be as you later stated “Whether or not she has "enduring notability" is not yet known” would not be relevant.
I would like to see this fixed and done mutually, if you’re unable to please let me know and I will take this further along with the entire Hammonton, NJ page that has many snap shots in it. Regards Georgivac (talk)
- Hi Georgivac. The community section, except for Gabriella's entry, contains events that were about Hammonton in a broader sense and events that happened in the community. There is now more about Gabriella in the Hammonton article than San Mateo, California has about Tom Brady. The information you've added seems off-topic. This could be considered misusing the Hammonton article as a coatrack.
- The information available from reliable sources about Gabriella is very limited at this point. The reality is there is not enough information to construct a stand-alone article of any quality. This is why I merged the information into another article: It adds to the understanding of her father in the article about him and should be used in that context. I believe I previously addressed the other points you raised and I stand by my opinions.
- I would welcome you seeking the advice of other experienced editors regarding this matter. I have no stake in the outcome of this discussion other than to ensure Wikipedia is not inappropriately used. Your edits here have been limited to her article, her father's article, and related talk pages. This could indicate you may have an agenda or you may not have a neutral point of view on this subject. Please read this essay which seems to provide insight on how situations such as this are often viewed. Regards, Accurizer (talk) 11:50, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
@Accurizer: :Hi Accurizer. Just a couple of notes here. Before that here's another multiple source, well established, that's online from the Town of Hammonton giving her recognition for her World Championship win. It is online at the following link http://livestream.com/Hammonton/events/3326659 as it was live on Television then. It can be seen just under seven minutes into the Town of Hammonton Meeting or you can watch the meeting in it's entirety to show the validity of it from the Town of Hammonton. Under community they have Wineries and Alcohol Consumption. There is one article mentioning the wineries listed. The Theatre listed has one article by the Press of Atlantic City (same person that wrote the article for Gabriella Ricca). Gabriella has many, should she have her own under community. She may be one person but she is part of the Community as you look at Popular Culture there is a single person that's mentioned in it. You're quote " There is now more about Gabriella in the Hammonton article than San Mateo, California has about Tom Brady". Your statement and it should hold true for this as well. Stating facts here and there are no substitutes for them as the guidelines are clear about them. Should these be present on it as many other establishments have had articles and are not shared under Community? This would be biased as one person is singled out. The guidelines are clear as she has multiple articles and I understand there is another one featuring her again. Is that not enough? Again, according to WP:GNG, she has multiple sources to identify her as she had her own page. She has another feature as mentioned. I am looking to help Wikipedia maintain its integrity to follow the guidelines properly that's fact based. Gabriella Ricca has multiple sources and your denying her of her own page. She is believed to be in the WP:GNG guidelines by a Wikipedia contributor which validates her sources. As with the wineries that have one source and stay standing, her multiple sources don't count for you. I'm very disappointed but stay respectful as one should. If you can shed some information on what I had mentioned that would be much appreciated. I would kindly ask you to have her own page placed back stating the guidelines. As for the Community, like the wineries, many more that have their own place in the community that have articles about them should be inserted, should they not? Thank you Georgivac (talk) 17:20, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
- Hello again Georgivac. I'm not sure I like the fact that lists of wineries have recently popped up in many articles about places, either. But that's for another day. In any event, it appears you and I will not reach a consensus on this matter at this point in time. And that's okay. As for how to proceed, you could follow the advice that @Crystallizedcarbon provided. Or, once you find more sources and notability is more clearly established, you could restore the article. Another editor may nominate it for deletion but a wider discussion would take place as to whether or not the article belongs here. My best advice would be to let this one sit a while. Spend some time improving other articles. I hope you do. You may find you feel differently about this one a little further down the road. Cheers! Accurizer (talk) 00:50, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
@Accurizer: :Hi Accurizer. With regards to the Wineries, I know. Once there are other articles for Gabriella Ricca, I will contact you and hopefully we can reach a consensus and restore it with the additional information. Will her original page be available to be restored with the additional information? Thank you very much Georgivac (talk) 01:19, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
Yes, it can be restored from the edit history. Best, Accurizer (talk) 01:27, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
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[edit]Hello Georgivac, some advice. If you want to communicate with another editor, you must either write directly on their talk page or if you want to write in your own page for readability you should use a template like {{ping|Accurizer}} it renders as:
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This has notified the user that will get a link on their alerts, otherwise your message would probably not have been read.--Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 23:04, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
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- Hi @Galatz: Thank you for the information that you have provided. There is no (COI). The edits provided are not for the purpose of advertising, publicizing or promoting anyone or anything that is not permitted. Edits are for the actual person that have been published from various sources. I only edit what I find and also correct any type of vandalism. The sources that are needed will be completed within the rules and guidelines that I understand are needed. Please add any helpful information as I edit the page. Thank you. Georgivac (talk) 18:24, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
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[edit] | This account has been blocked indefinitely from editing for sock puppetry per evidence presented at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Georgivac. Note that multiple accounts are allowed, but using them for illegitimate reasons is not, and that any contributions made while evading blocks or bans may be reverted or deleted. If you believe that this block was in error, and you would like to be unblocked, you may appeal this block by first reading the guide to appealing blocks, then adding the text {{unblock|Your reason here ~~~~}} below. Bbb23 (talk) 13:08, 28 August 2019 (UTC) |
@Bbb23: Hello. I'm not using multi accounts that present as you have suggested. I would not do this as it should reflect in my contributions. I have asked others about the article for deletion and if they were able to share their thoughts about it. If this is unacceptable, I understand and would not do that. I have looked at your reason and noticed that the individual removed what I had added on a page. They have very few edits also. I'm not sure if anyone with few edits is able to add information to a page for deletion. Georgivac (talk) 20:15, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
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I had asked others about the article for deletion when it was going on and if they were able to share their thoughts about it. My intentions were not to interfere with the process. I would like to continue to contribute. Thank you. Georgivac (talk) 23:57, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
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Simple denial is insufficient. You need to address the concerns raised at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Georgivac/Archive. Yamla (talk) 10:20, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
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@Yamla: Hello. I'm unable to edit to address any concerns that you have mentioned at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Georgivac/Archive. It won't let me as you know or contact through talk. The only answer that I can address is the one that I have already mentioned as you have declined based on your opinion. I respectfully disagree that it's a simple denial because the facts from me are all I can present as I have nothing further to add and opinions by others are of their own. Georgivac (talk) 21:06, 4 October 2019 (UTC)