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Input request @ Talk:Jinn

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also Pre-RfC stage info:
  • Also A user has proposed updates for consideration at this sand box for the article Jinn.

As a discussion facilitator fyi a WP:DUE discussion (some aspects may touch WP:Fringe) is at Talk:Jinn#Pre-RfC stage's WP:RSN#Hachette Livre and WP:ORN step. After RSN and WP:ORN step, RfC formatting is likely to be discussed at Talk:Jinn#Pre-RfC in a new sub section.

This input request / intimation is made to you, looking at your previous contribution to the article Religion in pre-Islamic Arabia (Xtool) or talk page there of. Bookku (talk) 12:51, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Leigh Bardugo

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Apologies if I'm not doing this right. I'm sorry to ask, but would you be willing to help me make the correction to Bardugo's nationality properly? None of the sources state that she is an Israeli citizen, only that she was born in Jerusalem to a mother who is an American national and grew up in Los Angeles. Please advise? Grishaverse101 (talk) 05:54, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The first cited source explicitly defines her "Israeli American".[1] It's totally fine, just stick to the sources. GenoV84 (talk) 12:57, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Her father is Lebanese-American https://www.instagram.com/p/BVfZwUNlp2u/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA== Grishaverse101 (talk) 14:12, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Instagram is not a reliable source, so it doesn't count. Did you check her biography?[1] She is Jewish, Israeli, and American according to the cited sources.[1] Bardugo was born in Jerusalem, Israel on April 6, 1975, and grew up in Los Angeles, California, U.S.[2][3][4] where she was raised by her grandparents.[5] She is secular Jewish and of Moroccan Jewish descent on her father's side,[6] and of Ashkenazi Jewish (Russian-Jewish and Lithuanian-Jewish) descent on her mother's side.[7][8] GenoV84 (talk) 14:55, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That is the author's Instagram. My dispute is with the term Israeli American which indicates dual citizenship which she does not hold. The article you sited first is the ONLY reference to her as an Israeli American in the hundreds of profiles and pieces available on her. She is Jewish, was born in Israel to American parents, and moved to Los Angeles at two months old. I understand Wikipedia has standards and practices, but by weighting one publication you are providing misleading information. I won't keep bothering you. Grishaverse101 (talk) 16:38, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I can find two, three, four, and more references which explicitly report that she is both Israeli and American. You can do it as well. GenoV84 (talk) 16:57, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
excluding the first, literally all of these just say she was born in Jerusalem. They are reprinting her official biography. There is nothing about her being an Israeli citizen because she isn't one. I know we're going in circles. Grishaverse101 (talk) 19:18, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
She was born in Israel, to a Jewish mother nonetheless, and that's her primary citizenship, whether you like it or not. Please get educated on the topic and check out how Israeli citizenship works, because she is first and foremost an Israeli citizen. GenoV84 (talk) 20:57, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ a b c Mirsky, Maya (11 May 2021). "'Shadow and Bone' is Jewish; Rogen is done with Franco; Ethiopian Jew is going to Eurovision; etc". J. The Jewish News of Northern California. San Francisco. Archived from the original on 9 June 2023. Retrieved 14 May 2024.
  2. ^ Jones, Michael M. (June 29, 2012). "Spring 2012 Flying Starts: Leigh Bardugo". Publishers Weekly. Archived from the original on April 16, 2019. Retrieved February 22, 2018.
  3. ^ Lyall, Sarah (October 3, 2019). "A Star of Y.A. Imagines a Supernatural Ivy League in Her Debut for Adults". The New York Times. Archived from the original on August 4, 2022. Retrieved August 4, 2022.
  4. ^ "Leigh Bardugo: Radical Balance". Locus. Retrieved January 28, 2024.
  5. ^ Lee, Stephan (June 4, 2013). "Veronica Roth and Leigh Bardugo in conversation about YA lit". Entertainment Weekly. Archived from the original on May 26, 2018. Retrieved May 25, 2018.
  6. ^ "Leigh Bardugo: Grounded in fantasy". INQUIRER.net. July 12, 2015. Archived from the original on June 11, 2020. Retrieved June 11, 2020.
  7. ^ Johnson, Chandra (September 25, 2015). "Young adult author talks religion, teens and the message of her popular fiction". Deseret News. Archived from the original on February 16, 2020. Retrieved February 16, 2020.
  8. ^ Leigh Bardugo (March 7, 2014). "Anonymous asked". Archived from the original on April 14, 2021. Retrieved February 16, 2020 – via Tumblr.
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CESNUR & Theistic Satanism

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WP:CESNUR is specifically marked as an unreliable source, so why did you revert my edit? Butterscotch Beluga (talk) 21:01, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Butterscotch Beluga: Because the book's author is an academic, not a blogger, and the publisher is not CESNUR, it's BRILL. That's why Introvigne's monograph is an academic, reliable reference. For further informations, please read WP:INTREF4. GenoV84 (talk) 21:06, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The source is not a link to a book, but to a PDF of a PowerPoint. The PDF only mentions BRILL once & that's as the publisher for a different book, "Satanism: A Social History". The citation here however says CESNUR & the link goes to a PDF from cesnur.org, so it's definitely CESNUR. Butterscotch Beluga (talk) 21:24, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Butterscotch Beluga: Could you please point out more clearly which source are you referring to? I thought that you were talking about Introvigne's monograph. GenoV84 (talk) 21:28, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Butterscotch Beluga: I moved that source to a more appropriate section; problem fixed. I mistook those notes with the ones related to Introvigne's monograph. GenoV84 (talk) 21:37, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough then, problem solved. Butterscotch Beluga (talk) 21:38, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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