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William Wales (astronomer)

Dear Flowerpotman Thank you for turning my efforts into a decent page. So much to learn and so few opportunities to put it into practice! I hope my similar attempt on Thomas Hutchins (naturalist) is treated as professionally and courteously. --Doug butler (talk) 22:50, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

• Delighted to help. I think I have been spending too much time gnoming, making technical edits to pages. Building an article is much more, for lack of a better word, fun. William Wales definitely deserved an article and I hope there will be more to say on the subject. As I said in your talk page, if there is anything I can givve you help with, drop me a line here. FlowerpotmaN·(t) 23:01, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Flowerpotman

Gnoming? What do you call people who compulsively correct spelling and grammatical errors they come across. That's me alas.

Does the Wikipedia system allocate new pages for vetting or do you get to choose? If the latter, you might look at my Thomas Hutchins (naturalist), about whom there's a lot on the 'net. I stumbled on an incorrect link in Wikipedia from Copley Medal to William Hutchins (US surveyor) who happened to be an almost exact contemporary.

There's more that could be written about Wales too; I think he was on Cook's third voyage too, as a late replacement for one Green, who may have been his brother in law. Green may have been a third observer of the transit of Venus. So many dendrites one could follow. Alas my wife has more prosaic plans for me. Thanks again.

Doug —Preceding unsigned comment added by Doug butler (talk • contribs) 23:26, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Does the Wikipedia system allocate new pages for vetting or do you get to choose? That's pretty much a voluntary pursuit; anyone can patrol pages at Special:Newpages. I was just taking a look there as a diversion from what I should have been doing and I saw the Wales article, which caught my eye because I vaguely remembered coming across the name before.

Apparently he wasn't on the third circumnavigation according the Canadian Biography Online reference; that says that was an error somewhere else that has been replicated. He did however manage to get an island, Wales Island (British Columbia) named after him. FlowerpotmaN·(t) 23:33, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

PS Anyway, all the typos I am having to correct might be a hint that it's time for bed for me. FlowerpotmaN·(t) 23:34, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

What were they thinking? Thanks for bringing it to my attention; I'm sure I'll get over it in a day or two :)--Doug butler (talk) 14:06, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Dear Flowerpotman

Just been reading up on Coleridge's time at Christ's Hospital. He spent a miserable nine years there 1782-91; father was dead and mother visited him just once. No mention of Wales, but then my book on STC is really about his psychological makeup.

I think the Cook Society article relies heavily on research by Wayne Orchiston and Derek Howse (Orchiston is an academic here in Oz; Howse is no longer with us). There's an reference at:

http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract;jsessionid=C68F054DAFF12BA30A761A4E4F1AFF61.tomcat1?fromPage=online&aid=38021

--Doug butler (talk) 16:29, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

I came across a few sources that suggested the The Rime of the Ancient Mariner link, but I used just on, although I can add more; whether Coleridge was influenced might be something that cannot be proved, but there are enough speculations out there to warrant a mention. Came across this description from Charles Lamb about Wales the teacher here, if you want to take a look. (Scroll down about halfway down the page). Going to look for more about Wales' time on the Resolution over the next few days. I have an account of the voyage in an old book. Something from 1906 in the Everyman's Library that I guess must have belonged to my grandfather - probably cheap as chips at the time, but very detailed; absolutely tiny print, alas, but there are quite a few mentions of Wales, so I'll wade through it. The section on the Cook voyage in the article needs expansion.

Just thinking that we probably should move some of the talk to the article's talk page for anyone else who will be working on the article. FlowerpotmaN·(t) 21:28, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Barnstar of Diligence
		I give to you this barnstar for helping me revert 118.137.20.111's vandalism/misinformation while any admin's action against the vandal was pending. 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 12:41, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

• Why, thank you :). Although, it was just luck that I happened to be online at the time and saw an edit pop up on my watchlist which was obvioulsy an edit from an editor I had encountered during the week; while following a randomrecent change, I came across this guy, who kept coming back to the same media-related articles during the week. Hopefully, as a lot of the pages are now protected, he (or she) might take the hint. FlowerpotmaN·(t) 16:06, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
  • Actually, the range he was in has been blocked for six months. But I'm sure he'll show up in another IP range so let's be vigilant. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 07:53, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Frank Shackleton

Dear Flowerpotman

It surprises me that there is no reference in wp for Sir Ernest Shackleton's disreputable brother Francis (1876- ), accused without evidence by Sir Arthur Vicars of organising the 1907 theft of 'Ireland's Crown Jewels', possibly by Captain Richard Gorges. There was all sorts of incompetence and shenanigans involved reminiscent of Spike Milligan's "Puckoon". (There may have been some sort of homosexual skulduggery involved.) Certainly he was later convicted of fraud and changed his name to Frank Mellor or Mellors. The Ernest Shackleton page seems to have been the object of a huge amount of deletions and reversions, but I don't have the wit or skill to find whether this man has been one of the subjects. This sounds like something you'd take some interest in. I'll insert a reference in the Ernest Shackleton page and see what happens. --Doug butler (talk) 22:05, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

• He gets a mention in the Irish Crown Jewels article; there might be enough coverage of him in his own right in reliable sources, although the theft of the Irish Crown Jewels, and speculation about his role therein, has certainly been covered in detail in books and other media. I seem to recall a documentary on the box in this part of the world a year or two ago; I think it was in a series on RTÉ about various scandals, called Scannal (Irish for Scandal appropriately enough), although I would have to check - I only caught a few minutes of it when it was on :). I'd say it might be a while before I ever get around to it though; I have dozens of half-baked drafts for articles sitting on my hard-disk gathering (virtual) dust as it is. FlowerpotmaN·(t) 00:02, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Message from Princealwaleedbintalalalsaud

Hello,

Thank you for your help & comments, I had read the how to do livein people biographies but I just I don't get it maybe Im too damm to continue with this project, I wanted to do myself but maybe I need to hire somone else. Now can you dlete from the internet the advertising of where it says that the article was deleted, it's embassing enough that I can't do it on my own than for also to be all over the internet, I focus on the positive side of things most of the time & I find it wrong & tasteless to publish the deletion also I didn't gave my permission, please help me with this request. Thank you for your time & consideration But just out of curiosity do you have anything against HIH. Roxanna Pahlavi? because she is a humble person that works her best to help the world to become a better place & doesn't like the publicity & I personally believe that she deserve some recognition & this all what I been trying to do. Once again thank you for your consideration & please don't feel offended for my question since Im just wondering & no disrespect it has been intended. God Bless. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Princealwaleedbintalalalsaud (talk • contribs) 03:38, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

To answer your second question first: I don't have anything against or even any personal opinions at all about HIH. Roxanna Pahlavi. Prior to seeing the article, I had never heard of the subject of the article. However, the problem witht he article was that there were no reliable sources provided to verify any of the assertions in the article; moreover, when I tried to find any sources, for example news articles about her or any other example of coverage, I found absolutely nothing that would qualify as a reliable source. As the article asserted both substantial charity work and sales of works of art created by the subject for sums in millions of dollars, it is surprising that there were no news stories that could verify those assertions. I did find a few mentions in forums that could be edited by any member of the public, but no reliable sources.

As for removing mentions of the article, I certainly don't have the power to do that and I can't see any Wikipedia policies that would be applicable here. If you wish to remove messages on your own talk page mentioning the article, you can. And as the article has been deleted, all someone would get if they tried to look at the page is a message saying that it has been deleted and why, without any identifiable information about who created the article. If someone does want to recreate the article, with reliable sources, they should be able to know what problems caused the article to be delted in the first place. Hope this helps. FlowerpotmaN·(t) 18:48, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

thanks for the information & clearification, what about the last paper that I submit about Roxanna pahlavi? does it look ok to you? I did put the source of information. have a good one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Princealwaleedbintalalalsaud (talk • contribs) 05:48, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

I presume you are referring to the draft on your user talk page. The straight and honest answer to your question is that if I saw that as an article I would almost certainly take the article to Articles for deletion for others to look at and make a determination. The draft on your talk page again doesn't contain any thrid party reliable sources (the site used as a reference doesn't appear to be a reliable source) If you want to create an article, you have to use sources that are unconnected to the subject. Again, can you show any coverage in sources unconnected to the subject: can you show coverage in newspaper articles, for example? I have to say that if the subject has done what is claimed in the article, then why are there no third-party sources to verify the assertions? Really, an artist who is selling works for $17 million would be the subject of non-trivial coverage in newspapers on the grounds of being one of the most successful artists in the world.

It also appears that your draft seems to be almost a copy of the page here, which would be a copyright violation, as there is a copyright notice on that page. FlowerpotmaN·(t) 13:30, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Jumper 2: The War Begins

FYI, I decided to decline the speedy here. While you have a good rationale on the article talk page, bringing it to AfD is usually the preferred method with this kind of case, rather than speedy deletion. I added a {{hoax}} tag to the article to notify readers of potential false info, though. Best, JamieS93 ^{be kind to newcomers} 16:34, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

No prob. I'll bring it there later tonight, unless there's any action on the SPI case I brought up, although they seem backlogged. You might sense a sense of weariness at having been down this road more than once :) FlowerpotmaN·(t) 16:48, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Sounds good. SPI seems backlogged more times than not recently, and I'm a clerk so that reminds me I probably should go over and lend them a hand sometime soon. :) JamieS93 ^{be kind to newcomers} 16:57, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

I think what is getting to me is that I now have dozens of teen actors and films on my watchlist, which is slightly unsettling, as the last time I had any interest in the genre it was when all the films were made by John Hughes and they all starred Molly Ringwald. (Sigh, I am getting old :)) FlowerpotmaN·(t) 17:08, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

De Profundis

Thanks for your comment. I thought it would be easy to find some online cites, but I've struggled so far. Lots of booksellers wanting to sell me a copy, lots of excerpts, but nothing really usable as a decent reference. May have to try the printed word, but that will need to wait until tomorrow. -- Starbois (talk) 18:01, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

• (replied at Starbois talk page) FlowerpotmaN·(t) 19:38, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Richie Glasser‎ Deletion

Sorry put it under the wrong one my bad.--Dcheagle (talk) 22:28, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

• Replied at Dcheagle's talk page but yup, I have been hitting the wrong buttons and keys all day myself. FlowerpotmaN·(t) 22:33, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes i think that my be what i did cant be sure.--Dcheagle (talk) 22:37, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Emma Matthews

Good morning Flowerpotman. I've just started a new page on a rather good Australian soprano for whom there were plenty of references (including a few red links). Now that I've gone from userspace to a proper page, I can't find these references (to mark as internal link), as a search just brings up my own page. I know there must be a way, but it doesn't jump out at me (short of doing something like reverting the page to userspace. Thanks for previous help and (in anticipation) this one. Trust your break was for something joyful. --Doug butler (talk) 03:42, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

• I'll take a look at that when I get a chance tonight, or more likely tomorrow (Sunday). Sorry, I was offline for more of the week than I planned for technical reasons (and I have to fiddle in the bowels of this machine tonight to make sure I have everything sorted). FlowerpotmaN·(t) 19:31, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Off for a fortnight doing the joyful grandfatherly thing in a far distant place where my ISP doesn't reach. So if you don't get an instant reply I'm not being rude or ungrateful. Cheers --Doug butler (talk) 21:19, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Ooops. Sorry, I do seem to have let this slip. Actually I have been only on Wikipedia for stretches of a few minutes at a time in the last week, while I am busy in real life - so that's essentially left me checking on old edits, having to do a quick revision of edits by a rather annoying person that keeps adding fantasy edits (to articles that I have to admit to not really having an interest in :) ), and a few trivial edits to articles that I want to work on properly later - so I haven't had a chance to sit down and go through the article properly. But what I was going tom say last week about the Emma Matthews article was that a few of the sources could be moved into the references section as references. I'm not quite sure what you mean by redlinked references, but give me a shout this week as I should be back to speed. Again, sorry about letting this slip. FlowerpotmaN·(t) 14:50, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Problem solved. I simply wanted to find articles where 'my' Emma Matthews appeared but had not already been given brackets for a (future) internal link. As long as no Emma Matthews page existed, a number of hits would be found. My 'cunning plan' was to search for a something I knew wouldn't exist, ie. Emma and Matthews. It worked. Sorry to hear about your vandal. Do you check all his 'contributions' or just those that affect your watched pages?--Doug butler (talk) 15:48, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Oh, it is some guy that keeps adding fake movie projects to actor's article and creating fake movie project articles. I happened across him by chance, and seemed to have been stuck with him, as I keep a lot of the pages on my watchlist since the first time I noticed him. He (or she) changes to new accounts as his old accounts are blocked, so it ends up that someone (and that frequently means me) has to go to the Sockpuppet investigation page with a detailed explanation of what the problem is, who the old account was and so on, so the new account can be dealt with and that takes up time. But I think the main reason I am getting annoyed with him is that I have to go through a pile of teenage movie-related articles checking facts (in case he has added something accurate, which he occasionally does) and my interest in teenage movies pretty much ended when I turned 20. (Well, maybe a bit later, but I won't admit to that. When I actually watched movies in the genre, it was the time when every teen movie had Molly Ringwald in it :))

I think I am just looking for an excuse to give out to young people: if you ask me, their hair is too short and their music isn't loud enough. :) FlowerpotmaN·(t) 16:12, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Dary3113

Gah! you beat me to it. I was just double checking WP:CSD to make sure it was correct to place the template on the user page. The Yeti article needs reverting back to the last good version before this editor started vandalising it. A bit beyond my capabilities at the moment, are you able to sort it? Mjroots (talk) 10:31, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

• Yup, no prob... sorted that.... I hadn't noticed some of the vandalism myself for a moment, but I reverted the article back to the last version by Cluebot. I'll check it in a second to make sure nothing else got missed :). FlowerpotmaN·(t) 10:34, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
  • Just checked the diffs and it's fine. Thanks. User is now indeffed. Mjroots (talk) 11:00, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for fixing this.[1] In 16 months that's only the second time someone has bothered to vandalize my user page; I must be doing something wrong. Your swift intervention was most appreciated. Best,--Arxiloxos (talk) 16:42, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

• No problem. The edit summary was a bit of a giveaway. FlowerpotmaN·(t) 18:05, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

All I Want for Christmas is You

Hey Thanks for the help!I couldn't seem to fix the formatting problem, it was confusing. But thanks for the help...:D--Petergriffin9901 (talk) 19:07, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

No prob. Yeah, sometimes when the formatting, especially that of an infobox, goes wrong - and that happens a lot, the best thing to do is go back to the last version of the article that works. I think one or two of the IP edits were trying to fix the problem. HAppens a lot, though; I have done it myself more than once. FlowerpotmaN·(t) 21:23, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for your lovely welcome!--Beth 84 (talk) 21:15, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

• You're welcome :) FlowerpotmaN·(t) 03:10, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Glad to help!

If there's one thing I can't abide around here even more than idiotic kiddie-wiki vandalism is someone like that who willfully creates plausible-sounding hoaxes. 'Twas a pleasure to lower the boom on him.  :) --PMDrive1061 (talk) 02:25, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

• I wish I knew why idiots like that have dynamic IPs. I was pulling out my hair over an uber-idiot who went by "Bambifan101." The little freak earned his own LTA page, yet. He's not turning up as often anymore, but he's another obvious one when he shows up. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 02:38, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

I wish you luck. BF likes to try and egg me on by using his socks to ask me for "advice" via my talk page. I hope both of these cuckoo birds grow out of this phase! --PMDrive1061 (talk) 23:37, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Archiving

Are you aware that you can set up automatic archiving using on of Misza13's bots? You may find this useful; User:MiszaBot/Archive HowTo to avoid doing it manually. Cheers ww2censor (talk) 21:06, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

I thought about it before but I only need to archive every few months as I don't have that big a volume of messages coming in, particularly as I have been relatively quiet recently barring vandalism reverts and a bit of coordinate-gnoming, neither of which generate that much traffic. (Both of which I can put on hold quickly if I have something else to do.) It takes a couple of months before I need to scroll far enough to make it worthwhile to archive.

Anyway, I like to have a few messages on the page to make it look like I'm actually doing something :) FlowerpotmaN·(t) 23:14, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Sounds fine but you may not be aware that there are several parameters available such as leaving a defined number of messages on the talk page, archiving a certain number of messages, deciding after how many days any message can be deleted. So you could it set up within the parameters you mention as being the way you do it manually. Obviously it's up to you. I just thought you might be interested. Good luck ww2censor (talk) 03:10, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Archduke Christoph Franz of Austria-Este

Flowerpotman:

I am a scholar of Habsburg family history and can certify as to the veracity of the above page as well as those of the Archduke's parents: Fulvio Marco and Maria Louise. I have added published sources on the references section of each page.

Best, Knyphausen56 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Knyphausen56 (talk • contribs) 04:36, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

• Unfortunately Wikipedia's verifiability policy relies on more than an editor attesting that "X" is true. As for the sources subsequently added to the articles, I will raise issues relating to them at the AFD discussion shortly, as the discussion would benefit from the input of other editors. FlowerpotmaN·(t) 21:07, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Alexcas11 and his new articles

Hi!

In case you might not have known, WP:CSD#G5 allows for speedy deletion of articles created by banned users. I fear you're going through way too much trouble by actually reading and researching and nominating these articles at AfD when this user is banned and, per WP:BAN, his edits are not welcome here anymore. Accordingly, I've tagged Death of a Superhero and The Adventures of Blackbeard for speedy deletion under that criteria.

Just wanted to give you a heads up in case you find more crap from him.

Peace! Big Bird (talk • contribs) 21:31, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

• Errr... actually I'm not convinced G5 technically applies as Alexcas11 was indefinitely blocked but never banned in the official sense. Although I have used G5 before on his articles, I have added a db-hoax as that would definitely apply. A G5 approach did occur to me, but there is a grey area there FlowerpotmaN·(t) 22:12, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Reply from Perlscrypt

Hiya. Nice of you to leave me a welcome message. I'm allergic to politics, debating and following orders, so if it's okay with you I'll just continue doing what I do here. Mostly that is reverting vandalism, some minor article contributions and correcting punctuation/spelling mistakes. That way I won't piss anybody off and nobody will piss me off. I'll remember to fill in the edit summaries in the future though. That's a good idea. Perlscrypt (talk) 02:53, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

• No prob. They also serve who fix the spelling etc. Actually I noticed that no-one had dropped a welcome message on your page as I have the Ardnacrusha page on my watchlist (as indeed I have Ardnacrusha on my radar in the real world at the moment as I'm downstream of it :)) FlowerpotmaN·(t) 19:41, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Friedrich Adolph Wislizenus

I didn't know that- thank you for the info, mate. 'Twas ery kind of you, since reading through all those rules and guidelines is just soooo arduous;). Cheerio —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hoodinski (talk • contribs) 17:19, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

• No prob. Glad to help. FlowerpotmaN·(t) 19:42, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Low (Flo Rida song)

Hey flowerpot, the above mentioned page is having some formatting problems, please help me out. Thanks.--Petergriffin9901 (talk) 23:40, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

• Sorted. The IP editor who made the last edit made a mistake with the formatting. Nothing major. FlowerpotmaN·(t) 00:49, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks very much!Im an editor, but when it comes to formatting im lost!...:)--Petergriffin9901 (talk) 05:01, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Aerodactylus

Just encountered this diff which made me laugh. In case you're still confused, Aerodactyl is a Pokémon that looks like a dinosaur. Not required information for life, but thought you might want an explanation. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 18:39, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

• Oh, I had checked before leaving the message :) (Google is your friend and seeing as the one Pokemon I knew of was Pikachu, it wasn't hard to work out where the article was going). I was just dropping a subtle hint there. FlowerpotmaN·(t) 19:09, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

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Final discussion for Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Biographies of living people

Hello, I note that you have commented on the first phase of Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Biographies of living people

As this RFC closes, there are two proposals being considered:

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Your opinion on this is welcome. Okip 02:17, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

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How do I mark a page for deletion?

Since you're my go-to guy when I get stuck - Hi! - I've shown up again. Sorry to bother you but I need help marking an article for deletion, creating a talk page for it, etc.

For some reason I wound up at Arthur Uther Pendragon and discovered that it's not only biased but most of the citations are from a book he wrote and a group he founded. Because someone said "You must be mistaken" I checked the few sources that weren't from those two and they're cited only to support minor details. All in all I'd like other people to look at it. The problem is that I couldn't quite get the code correct and, I have to admit, after all the time it took to check the sources I'd rather not spend time learning the code. Could you help? Talk:Arthur Uther Pendragon

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