User talk:Fernirm/Asian Mexican

Original research

Where is such a term as "Asian Mexican" ever defined and analysed in reliable sources? In the United States, the term "Asian American" had to be explicitly invented, by Yuji Ichioka, before anyone thought of Filipino Americans, Korean American, Chinese American, and Japanese Americans coming together politically or socially [1]. There is no evidence of anything similar happening among Asian immigrants to Mexico. I cannot find any scholar who seriously analyses all these disparate groups ranging from Indians to Filipinos to Japanese as if they were a single group of "Asian Mexicans". Most of the webhits are either usages in user-generated content sites, or mishits (e.g. "Black, Asian, Mexican"). cab (talk) 08:17, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Furthermore, this claim that "Asian Mexicans" are "1.5 - 2%" of the population is sheer nonsense. There are quite obviously not two million Asian immigrants in Mexico. There are a few thousands or tens of thousands of each group like Japanese immigrants, Korean immigrants, etc.The genetic analysis that was posted earlier means that Mexican mestizos share 1.5% of their genes with Asians, not that they are 1.5% descended from them. And this is the result of the crossing of the Bering land bridge, not of immigration from Japan or India or wherever. cab (talk) 01:49, 30 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not saying 1.5 -2% are immigrants! I'm saying those are people OF ASIAN DESCENT, regardless of whether they're immigrants or not. Remember, many Asians in Mexico mixed their race, so this 1.5-2% is based on people who are either full blooded Asians, or those who are SIGNIFICANTLY AND VISIBLY Asian. nd they share the blood with Asians not cause of Amerindians, but SPECIFICALLY from Asians. A DNA test tells 4 DISTINCT categories: Caucasian, East Asian, Native American, and black African. DNA tests have shown East Asian blood in certain mestizos and in others who are clearly East Asian. I ONLY INCLUDED INDIANS (INDIA) BECAUSE I DISLIKE USING THE TERM "Asian", for people from East Asia (cause their not the only Asians), so I added Indians (AND I KNOW THEIR POPULATION IS VERY VERY INSIGNIFICANT), but I did not add West Asians (Arabs & Middle Easterners) cause they already have their own page here on wiki. I CLEARLY explained in the article that the 1.5-2% is not immigrants, but rather those of Asian descent, whether thy're full Asians or partially Asian!!!--Fernirm (talk) 03:12, 30 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

So why exactly should people of distant Asian ancestry be considered "Asian Mexicans"? What reliable sources accept this kind of definition that says two million people in Mexico are "Asian Mexicans"? You have not addressed the main point: you have precisely zero sources for this article, and even if you source all the little bits that say "Chinese came in year xxxx, Filipinos came in year yyyy", you are attempting to synthesise a new concept of "Asian Mexicans" out of several disparate groups of immigrants plus people of distant Asian descent who have absolutely no connection to any such "Asian Mexican" identity. cab (talk) 03:30, 30 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know if they're true, I just copied info from OTHER WIKI articles (I didn't write or make up the info, I just copied it). AND SO, there is no Asian British and Oriental British or Asian American (USA) or Asian Australian identity, yet the gov't created it for its people. This article is just speaking of the different ethnic groups of East Asians that collectively are known as Orientals (or as they are known in USA, Asians). If this article is false, then why is there are all the descendants and immigrants of different ethnic groups of Europe called "white". Why "white/European American", or "white Mexican", or "white Argentine", why not just "Spanish Mexican", "German American", or "Italian Argentine"? Or why is there a wiki page for the different ethnic groups with different and unrelated languages and customs like Native Americans from Mexico? You might as well argue this in the discussions page of "Indigenous Mexican" or "white Canadian" or "black British", etc.--Fernirm (talk) 23:59, 30 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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references

I have only found three books with significant references, one that directly counters the notability of the proposed subject:

Williams-Leon, Teresa (2001). The sum of our parts: mixed-heritage Asian Americans. Temple University Press. p. 17. ISBN 9781566398473. Retrieved 29 December 2011. Surely more intermarriages and mixed people came from interaction than from the South Asian-Mexican American nexus. {{cite book}}: More than one of |pages= and |page= specified (help); Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)

This is predominately about Asian Americans intermarrying Mexican Americans, so isn't really relevant.

Ty, Eleanor Rose (2010). Unfastened: globality and Asian North American narratives. University of Minnesota Press. p. 144. ISBN 9780816665082. Retrieved 29 December 2011. Mexico falls under "North American", but because it is not a country that customarily receives immigrants, it does not have a substantial "Asian Mexican" community to date. {{cite book}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |coauthors= (help); More than one of |pages= and |page= specified (help)

This states that there there is a population that exists, but isn't large in number. However, that is not to say that there are none; for instance see Chinese Mexicans or look up the term "Pershing's Chinese".

MacLachlan, Colin (1980). The forging of the cosmic race: a reinterpretation of colonial Mexico. University of California Press. p. 222. ISBN 9780520042803. Retrieved 29 December 2011. The most famous Asian Mexican was Catarina de San Juan (1613-1688), renown as la china poblana. {{cite book}}: More than one of |pages= and |page= specified (help); Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)

This shows that there is historical context for this article. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 17:45, 29 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]