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[edit]Hi, mate. Just noticing you that when I create articles about actors from Spain, I usually check which is the second family name in reliable secondary sources (stress on reliable and secondary: iMDb and the likes are not). If the full name with first and second family names is not there in a given article it's usually because of that (because I found it to be absent in secondary sources, not because I forgot about it), proving that in that particular case... it is not very important detail (same with the birth date). WP:BLP/Wikipedia:Privacy of article subjects issues may also come into play. Regards.--Asqueladd (talk) 20:08, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
Pavilion of Spain (1900) moved to draftspace
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[edit]Aruba in the OTI Festival moved to draftspace
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La huella del crimen
[edit]So... it's not a screenshot of the title card? I never saw the show so you'll have to tell me, lol. BorgQueen (talk) 10:26, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
- Oh!, yes, it is a cropped screenshot of the title card, thanks for the image. I saw it so evident that I removed that for now because I was trying to make the infobox smaller so it wouldn't make a mess with the episode tables. I am working on the article... and you answered so quickly. I hope you don't mind, sorry. :) Ferclopedio (talk) 10:52, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
- No, it's OK lol. Glad I got the right screenshot anyway... there were a few different images on the net and I didn't know which one was correct. BorgQueen (talk) 10:59, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
- Yes, that is because Televisión Española has used different variants of that logo in its printed material. Sure, that is the original logo used in the series, but I don't think that the image is really a screenshot. I just checked and on the screen the typography is bigger over the fingerprint. But anyway, I think that the current image works perfectly to identify the series. thanks. Ferclopedio (talk) 11:28, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
- No, it's OK lol. Glad I got the right screenshot anyway... there were a few different images on the net and I didn't know which one was correct. BorgQueen (talk) 10:59, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
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- Fixed! Ferclopedio (talk) 12:50, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
Spanish cities maps
[edit]Hello, I've seen that you have included new interactive maps in the infobox of several Spanish cities, which of course is all right, but when you do it you also delete the previous pushpin maps, which I don't like so much. The new map doesn't need to replace any previous one, they give different types of information: I won't comment on the advantages of an interactive map, but the pushpin maps give a very direct location info in a much cleaner and quicker way. Also, the pushpin maps are sort of standard for Spanish towns, and for other countries too. Jotamar (talk) 19:37, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
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Infoboxes
[edit]Please STOP adding infoboxes to tapestry articles. The information you are adding is largely incorrect or misleading, and the articles don't need them. It is ridiculous to describe what were often major industries emplying hundreds or thousands of people as a handicraft. If you really want to add an infobox, get consensus on the talk page first. Johnbod (talk) 18:05, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
List of Intangible Cultural Heritage elements in Palestine
[edit]Thanks for your edits to List of Intangible Cultural Heritage elements in Palestine - the tabulation is great and its always wonderful to see someone else improve an article you've started. It might be worth reading (if you haven't) the DYK nomination, which refers to the recent edit I made which you reverted. I've now added quotation marks to it, so its not construed as a copyvio, so please don't delete them. Lajmmoore (talk) 21:36, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @Lajmmoore.
- Thank you!. I have unified the appearance of the ICH list pages by country to look similar to those of the WHS.
- Yes, I reversed your edit because that is the official name under which UNESCO inscribed the ICH element on its list. All names of the ICH elements are the official ones. Sorry for the inconvenience. I read the other day an editor saying that "UNESCO is a reliable source, all secondary sources are all derived", and if you look, it does in all pages and lists of WHS (they also use the official UNESCO names).
- The coverage of ICH on Wikipedia is weak and sometimes is not consistent; I have been trying to update, improve and unify it lately. Thanks for your effort in this page and hope you nomination is accepted. Ferclopedio (talk) 22:56, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
- Reading again the discussion in the DYK nomination, it looks to me that the copyvio issue is regarding the description of the 01951 element, that he sees it too similar to the description in the unesco page, rather than the name of the element itself. Ferclopedio (talk) 23:17, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
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- @Lajmmoore Thank you! Ferclopedio (talk) 11:09, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
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- Fixed! Ferclopedio (talk) 18:07, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
Why take the film of broadcast and film for Opening and Closing Ceremony.
[edit]Why did you take the broadcast of the Olympics? In the Opening and Closing Ceremony of 1996 Atlanta Olympics. It was broadcast and filmed only on NBC. Why? That is not your job. 108.21.67.83 (talk) 23:45, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
- The host broadcaster of the 1996 Atlanta Olympics was the Atlanta Olympic Broadcasting (AOB) who produced 3,000 hours of live radio and television coverage of the games. NBC was the broadcaster who has the rights to broadcast them exclusively in the US (to be exact, it only had the right to broadcast 168 hours in its territory). Ferclopedio (talk) 09:38, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- I go for NBC is adding to it only in Atlanta 1996. Why don't you leave it alone? I will restore it with broadcasting. 108.21.67.83 (talk) 11:57, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
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- Hi Erick. Thanks. I will take a look. I was just trying to improve the songs of Spain in Eurovision. :) Ferclopedio (talk) 10:01, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
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Unreliable sources
[edit]Please do not add unreliable sources such as Hello! (magazine) and blogs like The Court Jeweller and Royal Watcher to articles. I just had to remove several from Joyas de pasar, and that article already suffers from a dearth of sourcing. Thanks, JoelleJay (talk) 04:51, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Hi JoelleJay. I am not going to refute the reliability of those sources. I just want to note that the use given to them in this case is uncontroversial. They are only chronicling an official event and accompanying it with photos of said event. I didn't find any other source with such many photos to illustrate what they reference and I made sure the description of them was accurate before using it. Ferclopedio (talk) 09:17, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- It is controversial because those sources are unreliable and thus CANNOT be used on Wikipedia. If the only sources you can find to support material are unreliable, then per policy that material is not warranted and should not be included. Therefore it would be well within our rules for me to delete the content accompanying those sources, but instead I've mostly only tagged it with CN to give others the chance to cite it properly. I get that there are a LOT of nobility articles that do cite such sources, but that is only because there aren't enough editors patrolling the area to remove them fast enough, not because they are permitted. It's hard enough to keep up with all the IPs and SPAs that have been quietly adding megabytes of Pinterest and Tumblr refs over the last decade; recognizing and tracking all the niche blogs and tabloids being added takes even more time and experience. JoelleJay (talk) 18:46, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
Jeux sans Frontières
[edit]Hi there, I just want to thank you for the unexpected help in creating the Jeux Sans Frontières pages. It's a good help! DgOlsen (talk) 21:23, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- You are welcome. Glad to be helpful. I just started doing a little cleaning and ended up reviewing everything and creating all the missing pages. Thank goodness that many of the season pages were already created on the German Wikipedia with well-formatted tables and I was able to copy them. Now you have a lot of pages to add the scoreboard tables, which is a enormous task. :) Ferclopedio (talk) 21:48, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, indeed. I'll do as soon as I can! And adding the season overview tables, just to make things more simpler for readers. DgOlsen (talk) 10:50, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hello! San Marino problem: You added, that SMRTV was made later than they particiapted at JSF. Seems true, but italian JSF site (also a fan site) list SMRTV there: http://www.giochisenzafrontiere.net/presentat.htm and they also has a seperate presenters, than Rai. Also in this forum, SMRTV was made at 1991: https://giochisenzafrontiere.forumfree.it/?t=48148868 I think it need some more research. If I found a new info about SMRTV, I inform you :) Hph01 (talk) 15:00, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Hph01. We already know that SMRTV was established in August 1991, began broadcasts a couple years later, and entered the EBU in July 1995, therefore it was impossible for them to participate in the contest in 1989–91. I have my own theory that it was RAI the one behind the Sammarinese participation, but I have nothing to confirm this.
- And regarding the SM presenter. In each episode of JSF there was a game in which the country's commentator participated with the team, and San Marino needed someone to participate in that game. Laura Fabbri and Silvia Battazza were the ones participating for SM in those games. My theory is that they were not really presenters or commentators, as there was no Sammarinese personalized broadcast (as far as we know), they only participated in the games. If you read the presenters section on the referenced French website carefully, you will see the presenters and their channel, but when it talks about SM it says "Saint-Marin est représentée par XX", meaning that they only represented the country, something that supports my theory. Ferclopedio (talk) 10:11, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Hello! San Marino problem: You added, that SMRTV was made later than they particiapted at JSF. Seems true, but italian JSF site (also a fan site) list SMRTV there: http://www.giochisenzafrontiere.net/presentat.htm and they also has a seperate presenters, than Rai. Also in this forum, SMRTV was made at 1991: https://giochisenzafrontiere.forumfree.it/?t=48148868 I think it need some more research. If I found a new info about SMRTV, I inform you :) Hph01 (talk) 15:00, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
Removal of info
[edit]Hi. In this edit you undid the previous edit (my edit). Why? Did you find the information uninteresting, or did you remove it because it was unsourced? Dugnad (talk) 15:29, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
- Ah!, the sentence about the English version in the lead?, oh! sorry.
- Looking at it now, yes, it is unsorced, but it doesn't seem like something relevant enough to be in the lead. You can add it further down in the prose, with some context, saying something like the winner of the MGP released the song in Norwegian and in English, for example. Ferclopedio (talk) 19:38, 2 November 2024 (UTC)