User talk:Fennecfoxxx

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- IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 01:43, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, but I haven't edited anything yet. Only made suggestions for an edit so far. Fennecfoxxx (talk) 02:02, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

To clarify, the rule that applies to talk pages is that editors must be extended-confirmed to edit or discuss this topic except for making edit requests. If you find yourself getting into a detailed back and forth with extendedconfirmed editors you are not complying with the rule. Obviously, you can respond to requests for clarification. Edit requests most likely to succeed are those that are 'Specific, Uncontroversial, Necessary, Sensible' per WP:EDITXY. So, keeping it simple and clear with the necessary evidence to support your suggestion seems to be a good strategy for non-extendedconfirmed editors. Sean.hoyland (talk) 03:04, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

From what I've seen, the rules about extended confirmed protection only address editing—there's no mention of restrictions on discussion. Besides, my account is from 2009 and I have 440 global edits, do we really need to nitpick over another 60 edits? Fennecfoxxx (talk) 10:07, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Well, that was not the response I was hoping for. @ScottishFinnishRadish: may be able to clarify things for you. Sean.hoyland (talk) 10:55, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

You must have 500 edits on the English Wikipedia to engage in the topic of the Arab/Israeli conflict. The sole exemption is making constructive edit requests on article talk pages. This does not allow for discussion of those edit requests. If you continue to violate WP:ECR you will be blocked. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:27, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

I red the section Making Request in Wikipedia:Edit requests. It says "Please establish a consensus with editors engaged in the subject area before using the relevant edit request template for your proposed change." So I made suggestions on the discussion page with an explanation and a suggestion of how I would propose to edit. Was it wrong? Fennecfoxxx (talk) 12:51, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

The allowance for edit requests is for simple non-contentious changes and corrections, e.g. typos and grammar. If it requires consensus then it can be discussed by extended-confirmed editors. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:16, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

I couldn't find anything prohibiting edit requests in Wikipedia:Protection policy for articles under extended confirmed protection. In contrary it says the following "Changes to a protected page should be proposed on the corresponding talk page, and then (if necessary) requested by adding an edit request." Also Wikipedia:Edit requests says "Edit requests are requests for edits to be made to a page where editors cannot or should not make the proposed edits themselves." Which is exactly the case here, no, or am I missing something?! Fennecfoxxx (talk) 13:36, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

WP:ECR, which is linked to in the notice above, which then links to the discussion about the most recent change. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:41, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Okay, I see. I hope I could explain where the confusion was coming from since different rules pages are contradictory or misleading in my opinion. Thanks for clarifying. Fennecfoxxx (talk) 14:27, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Rushing to 500 edits

I wanted you to be aware that rushing to 500 edits with the goal of contributing to a restricted topic can be seen as WP:GAMING. DMH223344 (talk) 12:19, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

And the edits must be on the English Wikipedia, not global edits. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:28, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Says the guy with an account created on 15 November 2023, almost exclusively adding pro-Palestinian edits focusing solely on Israel-Palestine conflict. I wonder if you are familiar with WP:NPOV? Fennecfoxxx (talk) 12:32, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Why are you being so combative? DMH gave you a sound heads-up on something that could get you blocked. I'd advise you listen to them rather than attacking them. — Czello ^(music) 12:35, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Last warning, you cannot discuss anything related to the Arab/Israel conflict, including editor behavior. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:42, 3 May 2024 (UTC)