User talk:Eyezure

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20:02, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Gender symbols

Hi and welcome to Wikipedia. Wikipedia has rules for making changes to content, including the use of reliable sources, such as academic sources. Changing the meaning of UNICODE characters probably means citing UNICODE references to show that their meaning has changed. I recommend you familiarize yourself with those rules. There are links to policies above. Trankuility (talk) 21:27, 30 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. May I cite wikipedia pages? How does one cite the meaning of symbols which have no owner/originator? And how do I make a case for an evolution of a symbol's meaning? Just as with a words etymology, symbolic meanings may evolve. Especially if branded. If a brand is utilizing a symbol with implications of an altered meaning, does that work as a source?

Eyezure (talk) 21:36, 30 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

You need third party sources to justify your changes. The help page Wikipedia:Verifiability is a good place to start familiarizing yourself with how to do this properly. Changing the meaning of UNICODE characters probably means finding a citation from that original source. Trankuility (talk) 21:42, 30 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Here is a valid source for the symbol: http://unicode.org/cldr/utility/character.jsp?a=26A5 which does not indicate trans or hermaphrodite. Would this pass as a valid citation?

Eyezure (talk) 21:55, 30 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This is a technical source so probably the latest version is best. It looks like this text might replace older versions, and it should be accurately cited, probably using quotation marks and attribution. Trankuility (talk) 22:02, 30 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It is the latest version. I would accurately cite it with that source. Could you elaborate?

Also: The nature word and symbol definitions is abstract/arbitrary. How does one cite the meaning of a symbol which has no owner (aside from the title that unicode has given, which is currently only male and female)

In that context, a reliable resource is still making an arbitrary judgement. And just like the etymology of words, groups and individuals influence the definitive/current meaning. Inline with this point, would a a brands use and implied meaning of a symbol justify as a valid source?

Eyezure (talk) 22:05, 30 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

An implied meaning would not be justification. A verifiable, reliable explanation of the meaning of a symbol would be required. The requirements at Wikipedia:Verifiability need to be satisfied. Trankuility (talk) 22:49, 30 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

How do you define definitive vs implied meanings? (in the context of words or symbols which have no verifiable creator to cite and are constantly evolving over time)

Eyezure (talk) 23:00, 30 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]