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October 2013

Help with Salt River (California), please!

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Greetings helpful Wikipedian! I need help renaming or redirecting this page Salt River (Humboldt County) to Salt River (California), because the proper category name is Commons Category:Salt River (California) [1] consistent with the format of other rivers in other states. This change would also make the disambiguation page [2] consistent with all the other states. The only other linkage that I know of for Salt River (Humboldt County) is on Eel River (California). When I found the article started by Thewellman today, I changed the disambiguation page and the Eel River pages to go to Salt River (Humboldt County) so it did not red-link, but later realized when uploading pictures that this naming system would break a project-wide naming protocol. And now I ask for your help because I don't want to break anything. Thank you so much for your help! Ellin Beltz (talk) 17:21, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

I have moved the article to Salt River (California), but if there is another Salt River in California we may have to disambiguate further. I don't quite see the Commons issue: The template that links to the Commons category accepts a parameter for the Commons category name anyway, so it wouldn't be a problem if article title and category name differed: {{commons category|Salt River (California)}} Huon (talk) 18:09, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

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Salt River DYK nom

Salt River (California) moved up to queue on 25 October 2013... (so it passed!) [3]

DYK for Salt River (California)

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Salt River (California)

Your Salt River (California) article is truly impressive.--Wetman (talk) 16:10, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

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• Someone else got to it first, but it is now fixed! Ellin Beltz (talk) 19:13, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

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• Fixed !! Ellin Beltz (talk) 19:12, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

Found on a talk page...

I want to go back and put this on, and placing here to remember to do it. Wasn't Carlotta for sale on eBay a few years back? I remember reading articles about its sale, but I never heard what happened with that (was it real or a hoax?). Here are a few hits from Google that might be relevant:

Donegan, Lawrence, [http://technology.guardian.co.uk/online/news/0,12597,905864,00.html How online auction makes a mint from trading places], March 1, 2003

Gurnon, Emily, Carlotta goes up on eBay, February 20, 2003

December 2013 anon

Why would you remove factual contect from The Pagliaroni infobox? Get a life! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.101.125.53 (talk) 07:25, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

• Replied at User_talk:KMA367262#Dialog. Ellin Beltz (talk) 17:37, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Ellin, not each and every word or sentence needs a citiation. If you read all the "pillars" there are no hard and fast rules all of the time. They are a guide. If you will notice, there are no citations in the info box so why would you remove the one I added which is factual and verifiable??? If you really wanted to help wy didn't you just add a citation if that's what was needed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by KMA367262 (talk • contribs) 21:43, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Agreed; not everything has to be cited, please see your user page for full answer. Ellin Beltz (talk) 02:08, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Answering Questions

I moved this thread to the other user's page to keep it all in one place. The question was posted by Joans707 (talk) 20:33, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

Janssen building

Thanks for your notes re. the Janssen building. Regarding the image, I agree that it'd be better if we could put it with the Buhne text. However, that contravenes a couple of guidelines at MOS:IMAGELOCATION. First, it puts the image on the left side at the beginning of a section; per the guidelines, "Avoid placing images on the left at the start of any section or subsection, because it makes it harder for readers to find the beginning of the text." Second, it squeezes text into a narrow lane between the image and the infobox; per the guidelines, we should "avoid sandwiching text between two images that face each other, or between an image and infobox, navigation template, or similar".

Regarding the prose, some of the sentences are difficult to parse. I see that you've fixed the extra verb in the lead sentence. I still had to look at that sentence several times before I figured out the grammatical function of the final "and currently serves as an art gallery". It'd be much easier to figure out what was meant if it were split off as a separate sentence, or as a clause following a semicolon.

I have similar problems with the first sentence in the "Janssen's" section: on first reading, it looks as though the "built in 1875..." phrase modifies "store front", but then "as a hardware and general merchandise store" doesn't make sense; one has to re-read the sentence to realize that "built in 1875" modifies "loft-type building". In the same sentence, it's hard to figure out the place of "and exterior cast iron and glass storefront": my guess is that it's the third item in a list, following "brick walls on a brick foundation" and "wood framing", but without a comma after "wood framing", it's confusing.

The next sentence ("The cast iron facade...") looks like a comma splice.

In the sentence after that, it looks like the object of "have" is "deeply recessed windows and a signboard...", but then we hit that "is" and do a double-take; we have to go back and re-read to discover that the "and a signboard" begins a new independent clause.

This was the kind of trouble I had with the prose: sentences that were grammatically legal, but where I had to go back and re-read them to discover what they were really trying to say. Splitting up some of the more complex sentences, either as separate sentences or with semicolons, would make them clearer. Ammodramus (talk) 15:29, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Different screen widths result in different placement relative to the infoboxes. The map image looked fine on my screen high in the article other than for being at the top of the paragraph. The use of images at the beginnings of paragraphs is so universal on the project, I have always assumed it was a rule to be violated under the "be brave, some of the old rules here are to be broken" clause of the Five Pillars.

You and I must have had very different English teachers; none of the grammarian's vocabulary used above makes sense to me. I am looking the words up on Google. Maybe we have an age difference. For example, people who had so-called "new math" don't calculate the same way I was taught and they use all sorts of funny words to explain things. I'm confused how myself and the other people who reviewed the article before posting missed that rocky lede on the Janssen's paragraph, but it is now fixed. Regarding your "three items in a list" issue, I don't usually use Oxford commas on Wikipedia due to other editors crankily changing them back. If I fail to fix "clauses with modified objects separated by spliced commas" it is not a failure of your explanation but of my comprehension. I will go look at the whole article again and try to make it better, ok? Ellin Beltz (talk) 16:15, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Apologies for the grammatical nomenclature. Truth to tell, I ignored all that stuff in high-school English; it was only when I started learning German in college that it became important.

Let me try writing an example. "My whole family, including several in-laws, gathered at my mother's place in Florida on Christmas Day to feast on a 23-pound turkey and my brother's miniature schnauzer, which he'd recently adopted from the pet shelter, got the bones." You probably did a double-take when you hit the brother's dog, because at first it looked like Fido was there on a platter. When I wrote the sentence, I was thinking of it in two parts: "We ate turkey" and "Fido got the bones". When you read it, though, you might well have thought that the "turkey" would be followed by "and pumpkin pie", so the pooch was a bit of a shock. The sentence was grammatically legal, but it didn't flow smoothly. That was the kind of thing I was encountering in the article: I kept having to go back and re-read to find out what a sentence was really saying, and those halts and restarts made it hard to absorb the information.

I've done some tweaks to the article, which I think make it a little easier to read. You might want to give it a check: I'm by no means immune from writing the occasional sentence that flows awkwardly, and it's always easier for a second pair of eyes to catch those things. Ammodramus (talk) 17:45, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I will look. I was editing it as well which created an edit conflict. I kept your version, saved mine to a file and will now go and compare. Thanks! Ellin Beltz (talk) 18:13, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

I also uploaded a better version of the 1902 map, using the original Library of Congress image, not the image which was on flickr but has since been removed. Thank you again for all your help, please let me know if I have "gerfinklefarkered" anything else.  :) !! Ellin Beltz (talk) 19:03, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

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More brewery articles for improvement

I have edited these articles to improve them after they were prodded. Since you like brewery articles, feel free to improve them more!

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I got Oskar today, I'll work on the Otter one later! Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 00:00, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

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Orick, California

Hi Ellin, I think part of the idea of having two pages is that the historic location, either defunct as a jurisdiction/traditional pre-contact community, or simply disappeared, goes in the navigation box under ghost towns. For my part, I'd tend not to merge the two places. People may intentionally want to be a little vague rather than suggesting a traditional village is within a specific jurisdiction, so as to help with cultural protection-- an archaeological site doesn't always have a publicly available location for this reason. You might try asking for a second opinion over at Wikiproject Indigenous peoples of North America, or one of the California wikiprojects, where you'd probably find some knowledgeable folks. Djembayz (talk) 01:06, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

Hello again Ellin! If you're actually familiar enough with the local area to merge these items, then from what you're saying, it makes sense. Thanks for working through this material in a systematic fashion! Djembayz (talk) 23:32, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

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