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Re Jess C Scott

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Hello Elfpunk. Thank you for contributing this article. It's a well-put-together article, and I can see that you put a lot of work and care into it, and worked hard on formatting and including references and all.

Sadly, we probably won't be able to keep this article, as Ms Scott appears to be published only online, and thus is not notable enough per our WP:GNG standards to rate an article. If and when she gets published by a notable publisher and/or receives notices in notable publications, that could change. But for now, probably not.

I hope you won't be discouraged if and when this article gets nominated for removal. It happened to me when I was just starting out, and it can be a frustrating experience. I hope you won't be put off by this, and I think you could be a good editor here, maybe even a star, seeing the care and effort you put into this article. Message me if you have any questions or desire advice. Herostratus (talk) 07:22, 18 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Herostratus,

Thank you for taking the time to comment on the article--it did take quite some time to put together.

I understand the concerns you have, but would like to clarify a few points and see if it would be possible to keep the article. Ms. Scott publishes her work in paperback also (those that are novel-length), just that she does so independently (I think she has had some work printed in print magazines issues / she has stated some on her website at http://jesscscott.wordpress.com/writing/). Some of the online journals are literary journals, which exercise some form of editorial control.

I created the page because I noticed a similar author, Ms. Selena Kitt, had her own page at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selena_Kitt -- also an independent author, who has had her books published only online (and in paperbacks, through her own publishing company).

I noticed the "discussion" on Selena Kitt's page, that "her creation of a successful new publishing house (Excessica Publishing in a heretofore underserved genre is Significant, and qualifies to her to be Notable as a living author. Other external sources can and will be added as time goes on, and every article has to start somewhere." I thought the same might apply to Ms. Scott, as she too writes erotica (and innovative, creative, original work that mainstream publishing houses are reluctant to pick up nowadays, due to their logistics, etc). As a young author (24 years old), I believe Ms. Scott too needs to "start somewhere" -- she has already accomplished quite a fair bit as an independent author. I would be happy to hear your thoughts, and/or see if there can be some kind of compromise! Elfpunk (talk) 07:40, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

OK. Well, first of all, it is certainly possible that no one looking at the article will nominate it for a deletion discussion. I am just wanting you to be prepared for that eventuality.

If it was me, I would shorten the article somewhat, removing extraneous personal information such as her Myers-Briggs index and anything that "damns with faint praise", as it were, such as having an associates degree or having worked as an intern, that sort of thing. This is sort of like the "Hobbies and Interests" section one sees on the resumes of young people and causes those parts of the brain that are alert for possible padding to light up.

If there is a deletion discussion about the article, pointing to Selena Kitt is certainly allowable but might not garner much sympathy, as this will likely be countered with a reference to WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS and "Well, Kitt probably shouldn't have an article either".

The publications in Word Riot, ITCH Magazine, and The Battered Suitcase and so forth should be stressed.

However, note WP:GNG. Many commentors in a deletion discussion will basically say "Does not meet WP:GNG, delete", end of story. WP:BIO, WP:NOTABILITY, and WP:AUTHOR may also be cited. They will have a point. If the New York Times, or at least the Bay Shore Gazette or whatever, has not seen fit to write about this person, should we? If this person could score an interview or writeup in any kind of reasonably notable and reliable print publication, her case would be very much stronger. Note I say print, as web publications are so easy to put up that they don't carry the same weight, although there are exceptions such as Slate etc.

Your response could be that WP:GNG and the other criteria I mentioned basically describe people who must be allowed articles, but that failing to meet these criteria doesn't mean the person must not have an article if there are other good reasons. However, don't expect too many people to be convinced by that. The Wikipedia is driven by policy to a considerable extent.

Other than that, the general case that you made to me above could form the basis for a reasonable defense in a deletion discussion. Which, as I said, may never occur. (By that way, don't take my kindness to you personally as an indication that I would not necessarily "vote" to delete the article if an when it comes to that; nothing personal, just business.) Good luck, cheers, and looking forward to many future contributions from you, Herostratus (talk) 13:53, 18 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

-- Hello Herostratus,

Thank you for taking the time to explain the "Notability" guidelines--it is much appreciated. I removed the MBTI mention as per your recommendation.

Currently the strongest notability points are media mentions by Publishers Weekly, and Publetariat.com (which features "the most valuable content from the web for indie authors and small imprints"). I was just wondering (and have posted in the "Articles for deletion" page too) about notability with regards to the burgeoning independent writing/publishing scene, as the traditional/mainstream publishing versus independent publishing worlds are quite divided. I believe that Ms. Scott's contributions to the field of independent writing/publishing are notable, which is why I created the article in the first place. It is widely known (in the publishing scene, at least) that independent publishing offers many opportunities, that traditional publishing does not. Should a person be not-notable, because they are not mainstream enough to be extensively covered by mainstream media outlets (for the time being)?

I will keep a lookout if/when Ms. Scott manages to score a feature in some kind of established, notable and reliable publication; perhaps that would enable the page to stay on :) Elfpunk (talk) 17:43, 19 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Nomination of Jess C Scott for deletion

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I do wish you luck, and rather hope you can find the necessary refs in time. (If later, come back when you can.) I don't like having to say 'delete', but until the question of self-publishing and online publishing gets revised in the policies, I've no option. Do look at WP:RS and see what's needed. Avoid twitter like the plague, and steer clear of blogs and forums. YouTube's no good, nor are aboutus and LinkedIn (but those two are free places to put a bit of profiling and/or plugging...). Peridon (talk) 19:35, 19 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Hi Peridon, thanks for the well wishes, and replying on the article/deletion page (much appreciated). Is there a way to suggest a revision in the Wiki policies, regarding self-publishing and online publishing? I would make a suggestion, if I knew who to contact / where to post it. About necessary refs and the "self-publishing of books [being] governed solely by the funds": I am aware that book publicists are the ones with the media contacts. If the author decides to pay for some media coverage, and gets the coverage this way some time in the future...would those count as credible refs? Elfpunk (talk) 20:09, 19 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
No. I don't think paid coverage would count - it has to be independent. There are areas for discussion of policies and so on, but I only find them by accident. Ask someone like NawlinWiki or another well established admin. Peridon (talk) 21:12, 20 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
OK, but if the author/person makes no mention about how the publicity was attained, nobody knows... :P I think that's how networking largely goes anyway. One of the Wiki editors suggested posting on the WP:BIO / WP:AUTHOR pages for discussion of policies. I'll gather a list of points regarding self-published authors/self-published sources, before introducing it on the appropriate pages (and I'll look out for the well established admins, if/when necessary). Elfpunk (talk) 15:03, 21 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Award!

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The Exceptional Newcomer Award
to Elfpunk, for coming right in with excellently written and referenced and formatted work, and for showing a fine attitude in general. Herostratus (talk) 14:25, 20 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Why, thank you (and what a nice-looking graphic)! Elfpunk (talk) 14:59, 21 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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