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Jwslubbock (talk) 15:17, 30 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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District climate data for Istanbul

Hi, I've noticed that you seem to have issues with the climate data provided in Istanbul's district pages. I'm the one who added them, and I would disagree with you on their usefulness. Beyond being standard in large cities (see boroughs of New York City; Brooklyn, Manhattan and such), district normals are necessary in Istanbul because of its diversity of climate, unusual for an area at this size. Uness232 (talk) 00:43, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Of course I haven't removed them. But I live in Istanbul and don't think there are any significant differences in temperature in the centre of the city. I know of one microclimate on Asian side and hilly areas may be colder in winter. Otherwise, the data seems more appropriate to the overall Istanbul page than to individual areas. But I have only raised it as a possible issue. Ealinggirl1954 (talk) 10:33, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Çamlıca, Üsküdar moved to draftspace

An article you recently created, Çamlıca, Üsküdar, is not suitable as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. ~Styyx^Talk? 21:18, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It was only a provisional piece to kick off with. Will go back to it tonight to work on it more. I would say that I am a British guidebook writer who has lived in Turkey for 23 years and who is trying her best to improve the very poor quality info on Turkey on Wikipedia as a result a) of the long governmental block and b) the difficulty of translating between Turkish and English that makes a ot the English entries about Turkey poor quality. I can speak Turkish but it appears I cannot easily be allowed to translate - accurately - from Vikpedi entries which is what I would want to do. Vikipedi has what I would also regard as a stub entry on Çamlıca but that has been left up. Wikipedia itself has an article about Çamlıca Hill which conflates two hills and would, in any case, be better subsumed into general Çamlıca heading. Feel I am trying hard to improve the situation with one hand tied behind my back since I can't simply translate. Could see nothing telling me how to apply to be allowed to translate from Vikipedi. Ealinggirl1954 (talk) 10:33, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Bkissin (talk) 16:03, 10 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Issues (mostly minor) in recent edits

Hi Ealinggirl1954, thank you for your helpful revisions at multiple Turkey/Istanbul-related articles. There are a few minor but still significant issues, however, that came up in some of your edits that I recommend you be more careful about in the future, so that other editors don't have to deal with them later.

Please be careful to preserve what we call text–source integrity when you're revising or reorganizing text; make sure that any citations that were verifying existing information are still appropriately placed to verify that same information after you're done. This is important because it can be very hard for later editors and readers, in retrospect, to track down what information came from which source once that relation is lost. You can even copy or repeat old citations to accompany any existing text you've moved to a new location, for example. You can look at this follow-up edit I made after you at Bayezid II Hamam, where I moved around the citations to reflect what they previously verified. If you're not sure about what the existing citations were verifying (because sometimes previous editors didn't make it obvious enough), you can always ask someone on the talk page to check for you.
If your edit is mainly aimed at revising the wording and style, then I recommend you avoid removing any facts or informational details from the article at the same time. For example, after your edits at Hammam I restored these details that were deleted (maybe unintentionally) during your edits. Information that is sourced, even if it's just a detail, should only be removed with a clear reason (see WP:REMOVAL). If you want to remove things like this, doing it in a separate edit instead will give you a chance to explain the reasons in your edit summary and allows other editors to check what you did more clearly.
Likewise, if you add any substantial new information, please make sure it's accompanied by a citation to a reliable source, just like everything else. Even if you're confident the facts are true, it's our job as editors to make sure everyone else can see that for themselves. At the Hammam article, for example, you added the sentence "Many hammams have also been associated with male homosexuality over the centuries" without a citation. This is a substantial claim that could easily be controversial and therefore still needs to be attributed to reliable sources.
Please don't add links to external websites in the main text of articles; in-text links should only lead to other articles within Wikipedia. If an external website is clearly relevant to the topic, a link can be added to it in a dedicated "External links" section at the bottom of the article. See Wikipedia:External links for general guidelines on what external links can be included and where to put them.

Thanks again for your contributions and let me know if you have any questions about the points above or anything else I can help with. R Prazeres (talk) 20:49, 14 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for that - all very helpful and will read more carefully and try to ensure I've understood fully later as I'm new to this and still learning. You made me laugh re the male homosexuality in the baths issue though because it raises the obvious problem that something can be on the one hand completely well-known (I live in Istanbul!) and yet rarely written down for safeguarding reasons. Yet I find it absurd that there could be what seemed to be a large chunk from something academic about lesbians and the baths and nothing about the men! To me, this is a 'Paris is the capital of France' thing. Maybe later today I'll scout the web and see if I can find anything about it in writing, Ealinggirl1954 (talk) 11:51, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Çavuşin

I have a question regarding your text edit (21-09-2022) about there being two churches in Çavuşin of the same name. Trusting the text you wrote in the Wikipedia article I published my pictures of the one near the main road (that I myself had previously just called Çavuşin Church as that was how it was indicated on a notice I photographed in 2014) under the new (provisory) name of Çavuşin Lower St John the Baptist Church. However, I later stumbled upon a site at https://monuments.hist.auth.gr/index.php/en/2019/02/07/ekklisia-nikiforou-foka-cavusin-en/ where it is stated “Due to its use as dovecote during the Postbyzantine years, the church is also known as the “Dovecote of Çavuşin” (in Turkish Güvercinlik Kilisesi and Kuşluk Kilise). However, it is mistakenly confused with the basilica of Saint John the Baptist, which is 500 m. away from the church.” The dovecote I found in a German Wikipedia article (Taubenschlagkirche), but I found no other reference to a John the Baptist name after trawling the web. I can well imagine a wrong name can be found somewhere, as I find very many pictures are not of what they claim to be on an almost daily basis. All this made me doubt the veracity of the “two baptist churches” statement. I now publish the pictures at Category:Church of Nikephoros Phokas (Çavuşin) and had my pictures renamed. But doubt is not certainty. As you are living in Turkey now, and seem to have all sorts of publishing sources and outlets, may I ask you to come up with some proof for your statement? I have been in the country 83 times, but do not have many more sources than I can find on the web. Among the sources in the article Pat Yale is mentioned. I have met her tens of years ago at Urfa but have lost touch. Dosseman (talk) 18:59, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Dosseman. I am indeed Pat Yale but don't know your real name to recal our meeting in Urfa sadly. TBH the confusion is understandable since so many of the sources say different things. Certainly, the lower church is supposed to have been called the Pigeon-House Church although I never actually heard anyone refer to it by that name in the 18 years I lived in Cappadocia. I think your labelling of your images as the Church of Nikephoros Phokas is probably as safe as anything since I doubt there can be any final agreement on this. The Arts of Cappadocia published by Barrie and Jenkins in 1971 calls the NP church "the Pigeon House" and doesn't suggest its affiliation with St John the B. In A Byzantine Journey John Ash avoided giving it any name at all. 88.227.57.244 (talk) 21:33, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The government website avoids commitment altogether by calling it "Çavuşin Church" as if there were only one. Right now I'm not able to spend a lot of time trying to track down further sources although I'll bear your query in mind and, if anything comes up, amend the page accordingly. But, as you'll know from your many visits to T, finality in such matters is not always easy. All the best in the meantime. 88.227.57.244 (talk) 21:36, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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