User talk:DriftingLill

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Hi, thank you for contributing to B.I's page. I have started a new page for B.I's upcoming EP release here -- Draft:Love or Loved (EP), feel free to add your inputs if you'd like :) —Bostonite01310 talk | contribs 22:25, 2 November 2022 (UTC) Hi, thank you for all your work, actually! I'll try to help a little from now on. Not sure if you saw, but the credits for Middle With You and Keep Me Up are already out on KOMCA's website. And Qobuz has lengths for all the songs (the link has to be opened on a big enough screen or they won't appear). On another note, there are some things I find misleading about the Drug allegation controversy section of B.I's page. Someone who read it without any prior knowledge of the case might actually think he has denied using marijuana from start to finish... I'd like to add some missing facts (the fact that he admitted to all charges in court, the fact that he was sentenced to three years of incarceration even though it was suspended for a probation period of four years) and rewrite the part about his Instagram statement, because I think it's a controversial interpretation of a primary source at this point. I'll explain more in the talk page when I have everything ready, but how should I proceed? Can I make the changes and explain at the same time, or should I explain first what I intend to do, then make the changes after it's been discussed? - DriftingLill (talk) 00:06, 3 November 2022 (UTC) Oh thank you for the links! I'll add them. And of course, you are allowed to add/delete/modify any content on Wikipedia to improve the pages. So feel free to make the changes. I don't think you necessarily have to explain every change that you make if you cite reliable sources. However, if someone contests an edit you made, you can then attempt to discuss your edits with the other party to achieve a consensus. If that fails, dispute resolution processes are available. Also, here are some pages you might find helpful: Introduction The five pillars of Wikipedia How to edit a page How to write a great article Simplified Manual of Style Your first article Discover what's going on in the Wikimedia community Feel free to make test edits in the sandbox and check out the Task Center, for ideas about what to work on. To sign your name on talk pages use four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you need help, see help pages, and if you can't find what you are looking for there, place {{Help me}} on this page and someone will drop by to help. Again, thank you for your edits! —Bostonite01310 talk | contribs 01:30, 3 November 2022 (UTC) Thank you for the tips! I'll just make my edits and see how it goes, then :) - DriftingLill (talk) 07:57, 3 November 2022 (UTC) I've looked at the changes you made. They look good! —Bostonite01310 talk | contribs 02:46, 11 November 2022 (UTC) That's great :) I've been working on the French version of B.I's page lately (barely updated since 2015, there's so much to do...), and I'll try to use it to improve the English pages as well. But please tell me if you ever need some urgent help with something here! - DriftingLill (talk) 21:55, 12 November 2022 (UTC) Oh wow, good luck! Yes, if you do find some free time I'd appreciate any contribution here Draft:Love or Loved (EP) :) —Bostonite01310 talk | contribs 16:03, 14 November 2022 (UTC) As you've probably seen, I've tried to add some info to your draft... What I wrote about the credits of Tangerine and Endless Summer is basically guessing at this point, though. This Music and lyrics part could also be used to tell about the meaning of the songs or relevant details about specific songs. What "BTBT" stands for and how he chose that title, for instance? I might write about the packaging and artwork of the album tomorrow if I can. - DriftingLill (talk) 23:34, 14 November 2022 (UTC) Thank you for all your edits. I have now published the article. —Bostonite01310 talk | contribs 02:10, 13 December 2022 (UTC) You're welcome! Thank you so much for creating the article, and for the previous albums as well! - DriftingLill (talk) 01:50, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

A Barnstar for you!

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		for continuously working on improving all the pages related to B.I Bostonite01310 talk 00:51, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

Thank you!! I'm so grateful for your warm welcome and encouragement :) - DriftingLill (talk) 12:16, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

DYK for Love or Loved Part.1 (EP)

On 14 January 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Love or Loved Part.1 (EP), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that, when discussing his music project Love or Loved, K-pop star B.I said that he felt the opposite of love was not "I don't like you", but rather "I loved you before"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Love or Loved (EP). You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Love or Loved Part.1 (EP)), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 00:03, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

B.I's images

I have uploaded a bunch of B.I's images here; feel free to use them. I have also inserted a couple of them into B.I's page, feel free to move/replace them as you see fit. Bostonite01310 ^talk 01:27, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

This is great! We were really lacking recent pictures, thanks for finding some more :) - DriftingLill (talk) 19:40, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

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—TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 23:16, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi @TechnoSquirrel69! Thank you for creating the article. However, I'm quite confused about the parts you've removed, as well as the maintenance templates you've added.

The interviews for hello82 and BuzzFeed are - as any Q&A interview - primary and non-independent sources, but they were solely used to tell what the artist has said about his own work. I completely agree that neither hello82 nor BuzzFeed would be considered reliable as secondary sources. For instance, I wouldn't use their interpretation of the songs. But it shouldn't be an issue here, since they are nothing but a medium. The artist is the actual author of the material I quoted, not hello82 or BuzzFeed (and this is why the "author" parameter of the {{Cite interview}} template is the interviewee, not the interviewer). Furthermore, both are video interviews, so we don't even need to rely on the reputation of the publications for reliability to know that the artist actually said those words. And these videos are officially published material nonetheless, not a post on a blog or a personal social media account. The behind-the-scenes released by the artist's label is a primary source as well, and it was also used to support direct quotations of the artist about his work.

As per WP:ABOUTSELF and WP:PRIMARYNOTBAD, it seems to be an acceptable use of such sources.

If you agree with this, would you mind reversing your edits? And if you think I've overlooked something, can you please explain it in the talk page of the article so it can be addressed?

- DriftingLill (talk) 12:14, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

Hey DriftingLill, thanks for your submission to Articles for creation! You are correct in saying that primary sources are not universally unacceptable, but there were a few factors that, put together, led me to remove that content. Firstly, the sheer amount of prose dedicated to discussing B.I's interpretations and comments seemed to be placing undue weight on that point of view. Especially when there were reliable sources that discussed some of the exact same topics, I felt it was unnecessary to include such a high level of detail based only on primary sources. There's also a point where this kind of prose becomes less encyclopedic and more fancruft-y in nature, and long quotations from the artist — while certainly interesting to followers of his work — start to dilute the focus of the article. I'm not saying that these things are never appropriate, but the amount of discussion of a certain topic has to be balanced with how prominently that topic is reported in reliable sources. Hopefully that answers your questions, and let me know if I can be of any more help! —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 06:53, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for answering, this is really helpful. When I read your edit summary, I thought the reliability of the sources was the main issue, but I understand your point about placing too much weight on the point of view of the artist. This wasn't intentional. The album hasn't been released yet, so there is almost no independent material discussing the message of the album, the meaning of the songs or what might have inspired the artist. On the other hand, the artist had mentioned the second part of his project in several interviews, so I simply used the material I had and thought I would add other interpretations when available. I should have realized that, in the meanwhile, this would make the artist the main source for a large part of the article, and this was an issue in itself.

I guess it's too soon to write about this.

With this in mind, I made a few changes to the article. Would this be enough to consider that the maintenance templates are no longer necessary?

- DriftingLill (talk) 22:38, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

After your improvements, I think the article is in a much better state! I've gone ahead and removed the tags. The only unreliable sources that are still being used only seem to be for the track listing and release media, which can both probably be removed once the album releases. Thanks again for your work! —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 02:06, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for taking the time to discuss this with me, read the article once more and all! I really appreciate it. - DriftingLill (talk) 21:00, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Adding links to streaming websites

Hello. You've added external links to B.I's album and EP articles and cited WP:ELYES because they are links to places one can legally stream or download the album. However, if you read on, ELYES says "so long as none of the § Restrictions on linking and § Links normally to be avoided criteria apply". At least one of the criteria of WP:ELNO does apply: "Individual web pages that primarily exist to sell products or services". Those link pages primarily exist so people can be directly ported to websites to stream (and therefore give profit to) B.I and his label. This is why you do not see external links to places one can stream or purchase a whole album or EP very often, because WP:ELNO does not allow it and it essentially promotes their work, which we are not here to do as this is a not-for-profit encyclopedia, we are WP:NEUTRAL and it is against our aims to show favor to one particular person or another. I'm not trying to dismiss or diminish your contributions to Wikipedia, as it appears you have improved coverage of B.I and therefore K-pop as a whole, but you are very clearly a fan of B.I as it's the main topic you have edited for a year now, so it's not farfetched to say you may have a vested interest in getting more people to stream his work and that may be motivating you to include these links. Regardless, ELNO forbids this because link pages are indirectly selling things. It does not matter that they are links to legal copies of works, they primarily exist to sell products or services. Thanks. Ss112 03:02, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi! Actually, I didn't add the links in all the articles about B.I's albums and EPs, only the one I've recently created, Love or Loved Part.2. And I only did so for the sake of consistency with the other articles. Your explanation is quite convincing, I agree I should have been more careful and I obviously won't add such links again. Thanks for removing them. - DriftingLill (talk) 20:07, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

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