User talk:Drew R. Smith/Archive 3

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Re WtP

You're welcome ;) EyeSerene^talk 10:24, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

I have a question...

Where can I go to find a list of new articles? I've tried searching "new articles" and "recently created articles" but I can't find a list of newly created articles. Do you know if one exists? Thanks! Stormcloud22 (talk) 21:20, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

I love your game! I've read books like that that let you choose the next step and I would lvoe to make a game like that of my own. I think I understand how to link the articles together in order, how do you create a sub-page off of your userpage like you did? Stormcloud22 (talk) 21:24, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Edit: Never mind, I just figured out how to create my own sandbox! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stormcloud22 (talk • contribs) 23:09, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

I found it, thanks! How do you indent? The tab button doesn't work and if you use a space, it puts the text in a box.Stormcloud22 (talk) 21:24, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. I haven't created any new articles yet, but when I find one that doesn't exist and should, I will. For now I'm just making articles make sense and correcting typos. I'm also welcoming newcomers on their talkpages. Stormcloud22 (talk) 23:27, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

This is what I'm using to welcome newcomers. I added one sentence, the rest was already written. I think the more compact a welcome is, the more useful it is. If it's too long or confusing, the person reading it may get overwhelmed.Stormcloud22 (talk) 01:20, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Oops, haha, forgot to put in the actual welcome box to show you, here it is. This one seems pretty common, it's the one I got when I joined.

Hello, Drew R. Smith, and Welcome to Wikipedia! Please remember to sign your name on talk pages by clicking or using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your username and the date. Also, please do your best to always fill in the edit summary field. Below are some useful links to facilitate your involvement. If you need any help, click on the link to my talk page below and I'll be happy to answer any questions you may have. Happy editing! Stormcloud22 (talk) 01:26, 15 May 2009 (UTC) Getting started Introduction The five pillars of Wikipedia How to edit a page Intuitive guide to Wikipedia Finding your way around Table of contents Department directory Editing articles How to develop an article Manual of Style Getting help Frequently asked questions Cheatsheet Where to ask a question Help pages New contributors' help page How you can help Contributing to Wikipedia Community Portal Follow Wikipedia etiquette Practice civility

Would you mind if I fixed the grammar on your draft of your welcome page? I'd love to do that, and you wouldn't have to waste time on it. *cue the puppy-dog face* Stormcloud22 (talk) 22:52, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

An edit conflict? OH BOY.

Glad I could add some spice to the oh so enjoyable task of tediously tagging article after article with CSDs. :P Lәo_(βǃʘʘɱ) 04:18, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Looks like someone just can't handle my quick draw; my six shooters; my fast-like-lightening Beecher's bibles... I'll stop now. Happy editing! Lәo_(βǃʘʘɱ) 04:31, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

He knows where it's at. Asleep next to the encyclopedia. I hear that's like playing Mozart while they sleep or something. xD I've got a couple projects you could work on; sources are online. (This is, of course, a lame attempt to get people to do my dirty work.) Lәo_(βǃʘʘɱ) 04:48, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Heck yes! Fish! :P Anyways, nice talking to you. I'm gonna follow your son's lead; it's late here. Lәo_(βǃʘʘɱ) 04:57, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Aeoliscus strigatus

On May 15, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Aeoliscus strigatus, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Dravecky (talk) 12:42, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Mediation Committee

Per the two oppose rule, your nomination to become a member of the Mediation Committee has been closed as unsuccessful. Please note that the Committee has a policy which means that a user cannot reapply within three months of their last unsuccessful nomination. However, we recommend that you take this opportunity to use the comments made at your nomination to improve yourself not only as a potential mediator, but as an editor of Wikipedia in general. Thanks again for your interest.

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Seddσn ^talk 17:24, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Hippocampus kuda

On May 16, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Hippocampus kuda, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Dravecky (talk) 11:49, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Adoption templates

I noticed on someones talk-page that you said you didn't know how to make an adoption official. If you find a user you want to adopt, leave a message on their talk page and change {{Adoptme}} to {{Adoptoffer}} on their user page, or add it if they don't have the {{Adoptme}} template. Once they have accepted the adoption use the {{Adoptee|Adopter's Username}} and {{Adopter|Adoptee's Username}} templates on the their user page and your user page respectively.

Hope this helps. If you have any questions on adoption just ask. Gaia Octavia Agrippa ^Talk | _Sign 15:59, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Remove please

Can you please remove Shehreyar Khan. --The Legendary Sky Attacker 09:45, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Very strange. I know an article like that DID exist. Maybe my spelling was wrong.--The Legendary Sky Attacker 20:29, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Noah's Ark conflict

I would strongly advise you to take a step back from this conflict. Re-read the discussion and watch it unfold. If you really feel that you need to jump in and make a comment, back it up with a quote from one of wikipedia's policy pages such as WP:NPOV. I'm sorry I can't be more help, but I try to keep out of discussions like this one. Gaia Octavia Agrippa ^Talk | _Sign 10:19, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

RE: adoption method

I do have a very structured adoption method :). I found that because I adopt mostly very new wikipedians, they ask the same questions over and over again.

How does your method work, in practice?

I was getting annoyed with my adoptees all asking "how do I make a link" and "how do I add pictures", so I produced simplified versions of the "wikipedia:" page on the subject. I set them one specific part of editing (such as adding categories) or wikipedia policies (such as the 5 pillars of editing), and show them a simplified page on that subject and give them a task concerning it. I then mark/look at the finished product and give them feed back and tips.

Do adoptees ever complain that you're being too pushy?

I have never had any complaints because I treat my adoptees as individuals. There are some who edit every two days ad there have been some that have faded away into 1 edit every month. One of the first questions I ask, along with "how long have you been editing", is "how often do you edit". If I find that they only edit at weekends then I give them time to complete their tasks.

Do they ever get bored and just never come back?

When they get to the stage when they can do the basics and know enough about wiki-policy to keep them from trouble, they don't enjoy doing tasks as much as they did when they were inexperienced. When they get to this stage I offer to graduate them or just to keep a close eye on them without interfering to much.

Do they usually enjoy it?

Like I said above, when they are just starting editing they do enjoy structure. However, as they get more experienced, they start to pull on the lease and you have to give them more freedom than a fully structured program can allow.

If I choose to implement a similar program on people I've already adopted, how should I broach the subject to them?

You've said that you answer questions for your adoptees, so you should start by asking them to place their questions on their own adoption page. This could be a subpage in your user space (EX User:Drew R. Smith/adoption/adoptee name) or under their user space (EX User:adoptee name/adoption). I see that you have already created this page which would make a good start for your adoption program.

You could start by asking them if they want more structure or if they are fine as it is. If they aren't sure, give them a taster of what your structured adoption program would be like, and I'm sure you'll win them round.

Hope this helps and sorry for going on forever. If you have more questions don't be afraid to ask! Gaia Octavia Agrippa ^Talk | _Sign 12:32, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Totally random but..

You really should either update your status when you log in/off or remove it. It currently says your online but according to your status page, it hasn't been changed since you created that page on 12 May 2009!

Anyway. Rant over. Gaia Octavia Agrippa ^Talk | _Sign 12:51, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, you do have to update it yourself. I add tasks to my adoptees program pages (a list of which can be found here. I'm not sure what you would call an advanced task, so if you could enlighten me... Gaia Octavia Agrippa ^Talk | _Sign 13:46, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

I suppose the most advanced task I currently run is this task in which my adoptees are required to produce a B-class article. Gaia Octavia Agrippa ^Talk | _Sign 13:54, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Good luck with adopting and I'm sure you'll do fine! Gaia Octavia Agrippa ^Talk | _Sign 14:08, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

I know, its happened to me many times which is why I try to stay clear of them. You really can't do anything except use strong evidence to back up any claims you make. Or like i said earlier, stay clear and cool down. Gaia Octavia Agrippa ^Talk | _Sign 14:38, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Where to go

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• Note the second bullet under Are you in the right place? which gives the link for reporting violations of NPA and Civility. I have pasted the entire header here in the hope that if you are ignorant of where to go for other concerns, this will serve as a handy reference for you. Hope this helps. KillerChihuahua^?!? 15:08, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Marking your edits as minor

Do you have this as a default in your preferences or are you doing this deliberately? Dougweller (talk) 15:28, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Someones been stealing pages

Just to warn you user:Laurinavicius has stolen your User:Drew R. Smith/Welcome page and is passing it off as their own. They have already stolen most of my adoption pages, and I've had my own rant at them, so feel free to jump in and rant about your page. Gaia Octavia Agrippa ^Talk | _Sign 15:33, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Adoption Pages

I'm extremely sorry for all of the trouble I have caused by simply copying-and-pasting these Adoption pages. I realize now that I should have asked for permission to use them and to have given credit to the original creators. However, the reason why I did not, was that I had orginally thought that these pages (the ones that I copied and pasted) were a portion of a teaching method which many adopters both shared and used in order to instruct their adoptees. To put it simply, I thought that they could be used by any adopter, which was incorrect. They were the results of large amounts of your time, hard work, and energy. You have every right to be angry and disgusted with me, and I realize that. I apologize for my actions, and will either delete the pages and create my own teaching method and pages, or paste a template to the tops of each of these pages thanking you for allowing me to use your pages, if you allow me to do so. Once again, I apologize for my actions and I hope that we can put this whole experience behind us, and start anew. My regards, Laurinavicius (talk) 15:56, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for being so cool with this. Regards, Laurinavicius (talk) 16:01, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject User Rehab

Would you be interested in joining this project? We need more editors who share a burden for rescuing promising editors who have gotten into serious trouble because of behavioral issues. IF (a fundamental condition!) they are interested in reforming and adapting to our standards of conduct, and are also willing to abide by our policies and guidelines, rather than constantly subverting them, we can offer to help them return to Wikipedia as constructive editors. Right now many if not most users who have been banned are still active here, but they are here as socks or anonymous IPs who may or may not be constructive. We should offer them a proper way to return. If you think this is a good idea, please join us. Abce2|AccessDenied 04:12, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

wikiproject

Ok, if you want to join just sign up. --Abce2|AccessDenied 04:20, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

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I Seek To Help & Repair! (talk) 06:10, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Invitation

I would like to invite you to the League of ffriends. We are a group of wikipedians you like to help others. Just sign up on the page and add the userbox you will find their to your userpage to join!

Congrats for keeping a cool head concerning the Noah's ark conflict. I've read through the article and have to agree with you that it does have a lot of biased content. Gaia Octavia Agrippa ^Talk | _Sign 12:16, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Adoption Thingy

I would love to join in that program! I took a quick look at Gaia's user page and noticed that she adopted my friend Meteorman7228. I also took a look at the debate raging on the Noah's Ark page that you mentioned(ugh!). You could spend all day arguing with some people and a snail stuck to the floor with superglue would still get farther than you could, pardon the ridiculous metaphor. So will you send me my first "task"? Thanks for suggesting this, I think it'll be fun. Stormcloud22 (talk) 00:07, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

I tried my best, I even went to the help page and looked up how to do headings, and it still didn't work. I'll keep trying though. Stormcloud22 (talk) 00:23, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

I got it! Yay! Stormcloud22 (talk) 00:29, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

None of them turned red. Stormcloud22 (talk) 00:50, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Nothing turned red, although you forgot to put an apostrophe on Noah's, which is possessive, by the way. Other than that it was fine.Stormcloud22 (talk) 00:57, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Oh, crap! The apostrophe was the mistake, wasn't it? And I'm an idiot. It's so second-nature for me to correct typos that I didn't even think of that.Stormcloud22 (talk) 00:59, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

User:Drew R. Smith/Wikihoax

The copyright for the article belongs to the Associated Press, and you are not permitted to maintain the complete content on-wiki. Because you seem unwilling to accede to removal, I have tagged the page—which, I would note, you do not, contra the sense of your reply to me, own—for speedy deletion. Thanks, 68.248.232.222 (talk) 03:02, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Replied at my talk. 68.248.232.222 (talk) 05:46, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Ouch?

Tone a little too much? [1]    7   ^{talk | Δ |}   05:09, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm not trying to pick on you, but this is wrong. Just because you give credit to someone doesn't mean you can copy an entire article. Doing so is still a copyright violation. It would have been fine to summarize in your own words and provide a link - but not to cut/paste. Also, the IP user tagged it for deletion and an admin agreed - which is not a problem and not worth threatening them over.    7   ^{talk | Δ |}   05:21, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Question

How do I accept your offer of adoption? Thanks. Programmer13 (talk) 12:55, 19 May 2009 (UTC)