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Equazcion ^(talk) 21:59, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Some good advice was asked for and ...

Hi, I went to an administrator that I know who is good at problem solving and other things that are good for the project. Please read here. The best thing all of us can do right now is to revert edits made by her immediately with an edit summary of reverting a sock or WP:RBI with the word socking in the edit summary. Right now 2/0 is busy with real life issues unfortunately but if this continues at a bad rate and the SPI isn't going anywhere I'll try to see if I can nudge one over to the case set up. Please keep me informed on anything major going on but also know that like Doc9871 and the others, I too am watching things. I hope this helps better to explain my position on how I've been talking about this. As for my note on my talk page I was talking about my comments to you under the heading here of Margaret Clark. Be well and don't stress over this, she isn't worth it. --CrohnieGal^Talk 09:34, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

I appreciate you Crohnie, always good advice! TY! DocOfSoc (talk) 22:31, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks

I just notice this. Thanks for reverting. --CrohnieGal^Talk 14:13, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

You deserve this!

		The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
		You always try to remain polite, even in controversies. Keep up the good work. --CrohnieGalTalk 14:21, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

I just noticed you got this kind of barnstar before. Want me to change this one? There are a lot of them and I'm sure I can find another one just a suitable for you.  :) Let me know. Oh and another thing, you can put these on your user page which is what most do. If you need help just let me know. I'd be more than happy to help. --CrohnieGal^Talk 18:30, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

LOVE the Barnstar! TYTY! Have already moved to user page. Wouldn't change it for anything ;-) DocOfSoc (talk) 19:52, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Would you mind?

Hi, would you mind deleting this? I deleted her comment as a banned editor who also violated NPA and Civil policies. I am going through things trying to find something she said but so far I am having troubles finding it and I know she said what I'm looking for. Very frustrating but at least I can do some cleanup along the way. If you want more info, feel free to email me. Actually, feel free to email me anytime you want to.

Oh and I wanted to tell you about asking to be a WP:Reviewer. Editors who do not have this right will not have their edits go live until someone approves the edit. If you do get this, please make sure that the sock we are so watching is checked before accepting her edits. You know how to do this now so it's only a couple of clicks extra. We don't want her edits excepted now do we! ;) Take care and if you have any question, don't hesitate. (I added a little more but it got lost because my cable is bleeping in & out so I am saving this now) :) Be well --CrohnieGal^Talk 18:11, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Another thing, would you archive you talk page? You have some really old stuff here. It's really time to archive it. Set up Mitza bot, that's what I have. Well got to go for now, hubby feels ignored. :) Tall later I'm sure. --CrohnieGal^Talk 19:34, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Bot is set up for archiving, what to do? I am not clear on what you want me to delete but am not entirely awake yet. Can I give you permission to delete on my page? if so you have it. Does someone nominate you for reviewer? Will come back later. E-Mail soon Hug hubby and be well  ;-) DocOfSoc (talk) 20:00, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

You have the bot to archive every 30 days. The problem is that you have to have real signatures with date and time for the bot to remove them. The other older ones, did you pull some out of archive? As for the reviewer, no one needs to nominate you, you just have to an editor in good standing, at least that's my understanding. Talk to Sarek about becoming one and see what he has to say. Glad you like the barnstar. You work really hard and do a lot of research. You may have to learn more about the projects way of doing things a bit but I wanted you to know someone noticed.  :) As for the deletion I'm asking for please follow the dif I supplied, thanks. I'm off for the day after checking some minor things, talk later, --CrohnieGal^Talk 22:17, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

FYI

Hi DOS, I took a look at your user page and noticed that your other barnstar wasn't closed and was boxing up the rest of the things below it. I took the liberty to fix it with closing it with |}. If you don't want my edits there please by all means revert my edit. I was just trying to help plus show you what was happening. I too needed help with this kind of a situation. I am assuming that you are not upset by my edit. Anyways, like I said, feel free to revert if you prefer me to stay offf your user page. If you want to, take a look at my user page and see how I've got things set up. I had help, lots of it. Well to be honest, most of it was formatted by another friend editor! :) I hope you are well, --CrohnieGal^Talk 09:30, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Also I put in a request for you to get reviewers rights here. Feel free to ask any other administrator if you feel like it. I just know 2/0 which is why I asked him. If there is anything else, let me know. --CrohnieGal^Talk 10:51, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

You seem to have a reasonable grasp of policy and a solid editing history - does this interest you? Please review Wikipedia:Reviewing and Wikipedia:Pending changes if you have not already, and get back to me or make a request at WP:RFPERM if you would like the Reviewer flag enabled. - 2/0 (cont.) 07:25, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Ok, this is what I explained to you, go to 2/0 and say "yes, please"  :) Thanks 2/0, you're a darling as usual. --CrohnieGal^Talk 09:32, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

yes'm ;-) Thnx! DocOfSoc (talk) 12:40, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Replied over at my place first, but for the sake of the little orange bar - you are good to go, good luck. - 2/0 (cont.) 17:54, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

First thank you very much for the barnstar. Anything I can do to help please just ask on my user page or via email. I know Wildhartlive was also helping. I am sad to tell you that she has retired her account and is no longer with us. --CrohnieGal^Talk 20:55, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

• Hi, I notice your comment in the edit summary here that you want semi-protection again (this is what it's called just so you know). There isn't enough vandalism going on right now for that to happen I'm sad to say. So just keep calm and revert the vandalism when it happens. As for our 'friend', I took it to the 'administrator's notice board' to see if anything more could be done to stop the socking. Unfortunately all we can do is play Whac-A-Mole like we've be doing and add the template to the IP so it gets listed. The listing is helpful because if she tries to return we can show proof of socking. I wish there was more that could be done but check user Moonriddengirl gave the numbers for the Verizon users who would be blocked out which is not acceptable damage to incur for the project. So if she shows up, remember to check to be sure it's her, then just revert like we've discussed. I hope this helps. I just wanted you to know that someone did see your request. :) Be well, --CrohnieGal^Talk 12:18, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Cantwell-Sacred Heart of Mary High School

My only problem was convincing myself the first two words are really meant to be hyphenated. How to do it is explained at WP:MOVE. (The move link was more obvious at the top of the page before the new skin. It is now on the drop-down to the right of the watch-star.) Grafen (talk) 07:40, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

WP:RFPP, Ryan Seacrest

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TFOWR 13:59, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Despite everything, I believe that people are really good at heart. Anne Frank

I've been to her former house in Amsterdam: the "knee-breaker" ladder was a revelation. I like your attitude, but I've been on a "lifeboat" myself. Happy editing! ;> Doc9871 (talk) 13:19, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! Aw, cripes: I'm getting a little "verklempt". Talk amongst yourselves. Here's a topic: "Grape-Nuts" contain neither grapes nor nuts. Discuss... ;> Doc9871 (talk) 14:38, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥....DocOfSoc (talk) 11:08, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Bright & Shiny

Time for a new Section DocOfSoc (talk) 11:13, 6 July 2010 (UTC) In reality, I edited for a short time, got bitten, and didn't return for almost 11 months. Then more of the same for the next year.DocOfSoc (talk) 18:32, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Declining my request for protection.

the following edits were made: [1] [2] [3]DocOfSoc (talk) 17:38, 6 July 2010 (UTC) [4] DocOfSoc (talk) 04:02, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

That's definitely vandalism, and was reverted, and the user warned. If the user persists, revert them, warn them and report them at WP:AIV if they continue past their final warning. If multiple users vandalise, report it to WP:RFPP. Your request at RFPP was several days ago, and we do not protect pages pre-emptively. I've had Ryan Seacrest watchlisted since your previous RFPP report and will revert anything I spot (for that matter, if it's necessary I'll block users or protect the page if it's appropriate). I appreciate that there are other issues at play here, but there are too many potential targets to pre-emptively protect them all. TFOWR 11:00, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Not worried

SRQ is the least of my worries ATM. My friends in that part of the world like be called a Kiwi. I just think if you are going to do something, you outghta do it well, accept and apology and move on. Note to Self: Repeat Anne frank! DocOfSoc (talk) 10:49, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

I saw your comments

Hi, I have a few comments to make. I saw what you had to say at Doc9871. Well as you know I've just been at the Ryan Seacrest article and it needs a lot work esp. citations. The lists like movies and so on need reliable source added to each of the entries. That will help show vandalism from good edits. Actually with it being a BLP I was tempted to remove all the unsourced information but I didn't, at least not yet, because it would have turned it into s stub. You seem to like to do the research, plaese start here. There is radio, TV, movies and barely a reference. With BLP's, items are to be referenced or deleted. I know you work on this article a lot which is why opted to ask you to work now on referencing what is there before adding anything else. Your comments at Doc#1, to be honest, I didn't understand but he may when he gets to it. This is my humble opinion about what is needed right now for this article. I hope this helps some, --CrohnieGal^Talk 11:11, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

I was responding to, "What now, I defer to yo # 1 Doc. I have actually lost sleep over this, injustice tends to do that to me! DocOfSoc (talk) 17:01, 6 July 2010 (UTC)". WTF is going on here? I absolutely hate having my comments erased without good explanation: what is this diff about? I'm getting a wee bit "ogreish", now: "You've got some "splaining" to do..." Doc9871 (talk) 11:26, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

OK, before this all blows up into something horrible... let's start over. ;-)

I have no problem with being called anything ;-) (And "Kiwi" is fine). Dealing with long-term sock puppeteers is hard. I've done it, and I appreciate it's frustrating when socks don't get blocked, articles don't protected, and ANI direct you to SPI - even though SPI takes forever. I've been knocked back by WP:AIV, WP:RFPP, WP:ANI and WP:SPI :-( There's WP:LTA, and it's well worth making sure stuff gets documented there, because it helps admins (and other editors) get some context before dealing with sock puppetry and other abuse. But all of this is slow, and ultimately these clowns are going to continue to try and disrupt Wikipedia. The best thing we can do is not let them - we continue as normal, building articles, reverting vandalism, and generally carrying on as if they weren't there.

A few general points about AIV and RFPP:

• if you're specifically dealing with SRQ (or any other blocked or banned user), mention that. It makes life much easier for the admin considering it if you link to an SPI report or archive, or an LTA report. If nothing else, it means that admins who aren't familiar with the user can ignore it, leaving admins who are comfortable making a WP:DUCK block.
• admins don't want to protect pages. We do it only when the alternative is worse. The same applies to blocks: we don't want to block anyone, so we'll need to see hard-evidence that the editor should be blocked. (That's why it makes it much easier if you link to SPI or LTA). Similarly, we won't block a user based on what they might do, or protect a page based on what might happen.

Do not be discouraged from reporting issues at AIV and RFPP! I would suggest, however, running it past Crohnie or Doc9871 first, until you get "a feel" for where and how to report. (I'd far rather see "false positives" at RFPP then miss an article that gets heavily vandalised - or worse).

Hope that helps! TFOWR 12:25, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Very good advice here Doc2. As for your question about the deletion I think you did it accidentially when trying to remove inserted garbage from SRQ here (at the 7/7 edit at 6:49:33 edit. At least that's what it looks like to me from looking at the hisory of your page. The history tab is on all pages and they are very useful to see what has happened on any given page. TFOW, SRQ has been attacking user pages a lot lately including this page, can you semi-protect DocOfSoc's talk page for say a week or so to give her a break from the attacks. It's obviously getting to her. SRQ has been after DocOfSoc since the beginning of DocOfSoc's time here. SRQ follows her, harrass her and has an enemy list that she is now attacking using revolving IP's. So far one user's page has been protected and that was Wildhartlive. I think that might help to take some of the stress away. As for Doc2 (DocOfSoc requested not to use DOS and agreed to this to ease in shortening her name.) I have no problem with you coming to me and Doc9871 (#1Doc, see above section, [5]) has also said he would help. I am hopeful that WHL will be back and if she does she too said she would be available to help you. So try to stay calm. I know it's hard and frustrating but that is what the socks want, a negative reaction, don't give them the satisfaction. :) You still need to learn a little more about how to do things here but you are real good at doing research. You have a good heart, you listen and learn which is also good. So in closing, don't fret, everyone is trying to help you deal with the sock issues. I suspect vandalism is going to get worse as schools start closing for their summer breaks. Be well both of you, --CrohnieGal^Talk 14:13, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Looking over the history of your page a little more closely, the dif you show above is SRQ which can be seen here. You need to ask for page protection for awhile, it won't be permanent mind you but at least you won't have to put up with her trash for awhile. From what she says there she is still stalking your edits plus mine and the rest of the group of editors she has on her hate list. I am hoping that now that administrators are watching your page they will help out with this request so that you aren't so stressed out over her. Remember she is community banned, for behavior like this as a matter of fact, so ignore her hateful edits. SRQ, I know you're reading this, remember the lectures you gave about how you would neversock and how you set up SPI's. Now all you are is an abusive sock puppet. Think about it, I actually thought you wanted to return to the site the right way. Please stop with this kind of behavior. It's not good for you nor is it good for the project. Thank you in advance to all, --CrohnieGal^Talk 17:09, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

I've requested semi-protection. I'd prefer to defer the decision to admins more familiar with SRQ, but it does seem - to me - to be a reasonable request. TFOWR 17:21, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

(od) I just removed some of my comments because I noticed that your page is semi-protected. Thank you very much HJMitchell for reconsidering the need for this. --CrohnieGal^Talk 18:10, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

For the Birds

File:Animalibrí.gif This silence is for the birds!~ DocOfSoc (talk) 04:08, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Hey you know where I am, just drop in, I don't care if it's just for chatting on my talk page ok?  :) I also told you that emailing me is alright by me if you'd like to.

I saw this one Doc #1's talk page. You had a dif there that I think was to go to your user page. Well it didn't work, instead of sending him to your talk page you had him go to an empty Wikipedia page which I don't thing you meant to do. So I want to show you how to make dif's for users if that's ok. It's not hard to do. I'll use my user name as an example of how to do this. All you do is Crohnie and you will get the results you see on your talk page. To see what I did just hit the edit in this section and see what I did. It's really easy. If you want to show a section of your talk page go to that section click the bar on the very top to hightlight it and do a copy/paste number. You put a bracket at the beginning and the end. This two you can see when you look at this edit. To make the pipe that I used for the user name look for the back slash on your keyboard. Then all you have to do is hit shift and the back slash key. You can also just use the one below when editing but I like doing it myself :) It's late for me and I have had a really busy day taking care of my mother and my husband so I am exhausted so please excuse the lack of focus I'm sure I am displaying here. Any questions, just ask, ok. You know the cheatsheet might be handy for you. I printed it out a long time ago, like around 2007. When I learned something new I just added to it. Maybe it will be helpful for you too, just an idea. Talk to you soon, and good night,--CrohnieGal^Talk 23:44, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

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Back to Work

[6] CA.GOV | Welcome to the State of California Office of Historical Preservation. El Monte, Pasadena, etc. DocOfSoc (talk) 03:20, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Peer reviews

Hello and thanks for your continued input in the David Fisher article. May you please remove the {{doing}} template from the David Fisher peer review? As this article is already under GA review, I would prefer for the peer review to be closed.--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 15:56, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Your note

Hey, thanks for the note. No problem at all, and easily understandable as there was no clear rationale in the initial removal. (I'd thought I had left an explanation in the edit summaries - I had to clean up quite a few articles - but I must have missed this one.) Thanks again. --Ckatz^chat_spy 17:29, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Curious

[7]

Make it two (at least). Could be worse, I guess... ;> Doc9871 (talk) 12:04, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

ROFL! Make that 11.<yawn> Good Morning! Off to where nobody snores anymore :-( DocOfSoc (talk) 12:41, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Barnstar Awarded

		The Special Barnstar
		Deserved for sure. Cheers... Doc9871 (talk) 11:05, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

WOW!! What a nice surprise to wake up to! I am verklempt! <sp) TYTYTY!!! Talk amongst your selves. Subject: [[8]] Be back when I totally wakeup ;-) DocOfSoc (talk) 22:35, 23 July 2010 (UTC) P.S. there are more ISPs, typical language, sigh... How does one get rollback privileges? DocOfSoc (talk) 22:42, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Ok I've got it on my watchlist. As for Rollback take a read. :) Hope all is well, --CrohnieGal^Talk 09:53, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

There's also way #3. An obliging admin wanders by your talk page and flips the switch. So...  Done. Crohnie gave you all the documentation that comes with the new button. Courcelles (talk) 15:57, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Reply

If you ever need anything, you can always send me an e-mail. Though I do have to wonder how long before the stalker just gets bored and gives up and leaves the community in peace. Courcelles (talk) 08:33, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Likewise. Is this related to your comment above or to a message to Courcelles? (sorry, I do also stalk Courcelles' talkpage, but I'm catching up on my morning's reading and haven't got that far yet!) TFOWR 08:39, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Please see SkagitRiverQueen, SPI, this and this. She's not quitting anytime soon unfortunately. A couple of us have been trying to help DocOfSoc to keep this community banned editor away. Mostly all we can do is use deny method. HTH, --CrohnieGal^Talk 09:51, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Hi Crohnie, no worries - I've got all that in my sock drawer already ;-) When I find some time later you can all expect emails: I'd like to push this up to WP:LTA. I was wondering if there was a recent development I should be aware of, but from the sounds of things it's just the same old tedious nonsense from "our friend". Or should that be "our fiend? ;-) TFOWR 10:34, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Beware! This user's talk page is monitored by talk page watchers. Some of them even talk back.

Would dialing up some semi-protection on your user and talk pages help any? Courcelles (talk) 10:38, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, it has been done. It was lonely LOL! Scroll up. But TY!! DocOfSoc (talk) 10:51, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Eh, no, it hasn't. It expired last week. I can put it back if you'd like, though. Courcelles (talk) 10:54, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

• DocOfSoc, I've just reverted you on your own talkpage! Apologies for that. Related to your (reverted) post, I've got a copy and can forward it via email to anyone who's interested, but I think it's maybe better if stuff like this gets done by email, not on-wiki. TFOWR 11:35, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Typical hypocrisy from SRQ: no one's missing much with this deletion. She swore never to sock, you know (not going to bother linking the "WP Review" section again). Yup... Doc9871 (talk) 11:44, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

I will keep an eye out for an email. Please email me a copy for my records if you would, thanks. I tried to see if anything could be done at the administrator's board but was told that her Verizon account doesn't stay in any IP range long enough to block it. That all we could do was follow 'deny' so that's what we have be doing. Doc #2 (DocOfSoc recommended using this above to shorten her user name since there are to Doc's) except the protection on your pages. You know she'll be back. My user page is permanently protected. I believe it was a different user but I never got to see anything because they were all rev deleted. ;) Just my opinion for you, thanks, --CrohnieGal^Talk 12:48, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

I received the email in question, thank you, I will respond to the sender, per deny I'm not saying anything more. TFOWR first thanks for the user box, I like it so much I put it at the top of my talk page. :) I hope that's ok with you. I guess I should have asked first then put it there but I don't expect it to be a problem. My talk page has been hit too but not bad enough to request semi-protection. I do a lot of recent patrol work along with other things so I get comments from IP's and don't want to make it so they can't come and talk to me. I just looked at the WP:LTA. What can happen here that is different from what we've been doing? I know a few of the socks listed there and they haven't slow down at all. What's the purpose if you don't mind me asking here? If this will be explained in the email, I can wait. Thanks, --CrohnieGal^Talk 13:24, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Help

Are you there? Need your help. Have been chastised by another admin with a lack of good faith IMO. In the City of Bell article. Waiting for your reply. Will CC to Cronhie Doc1 and another great admin you! DocOfSoc (talk) 10:10, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

First take a deep breath and relax. I'll see what is going on there, please keep calm though. I haven't read the talk page so I'm heading over there right now. What are you using to sign your posts? The way you are signing is not showing any links to either your talk page or user page. Please see that you are using the correct tildes to sign with. You can find it in tool line above in the edit box to the right of the W that has a line through it (which is for use to have your edit ignore wiki formatting}. Be right over to see what is going on at the talk page. See you soon, --CrohnieGal^Talk 10:30, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Is this at Talk:Bell, California#Salary controversy? I've just taken a look. It looks to me like Will Beback was raising a WP:BLP issue (which was aimed at other editors, not you), and that their comments to you weren't really critical. I'm maybe missing something, however - it's not an article I'm familiar with.

Do remember that many editors - and admins in particular - tend to be very cautious when it comes to WP:BLP issues and may overreact (like I did when we first met...) - I'm not sure if that's the case here, but it's worth keeping in mind.

Do let me know if I've missed something - I'd be happy to chat to Will Beback (or any admin) on your behalf.

TFOWR 10:59, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

I have to go now but if you want more input from me other than what is given above to you put a talkback notice on my talkpage to remind me to come here. I hit an edit conflict with I tried to comment at the article talk page. I have to go now and this is a rushed comment. I have a doctor appt to go to but will help you understand more if needed. Let me know. Please excuse any errors since I don't have time to proof read this time. Talk soon, --CrohnieGal^Talk 11:05, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

You and Will Beback did a great job when I had to leave. Sorry for having to leave but real life is more important. ;) You did good. --CrohnieGal^Talk 16:39, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Hi DocOfSoc - I hope you're feeling more positive today. I saw this post to one of the admins' noticeboards: nothing to do with us, but it was posted by an admin I have a huge amount of respect for, and contained good general advice (in this case an editor had innocently walked into one of the really contentious areas on Wikipedia: the dispute between British editors and Irish editors - this is an area I'm currently working in as a "mediator"). Anyway, just to let you know that I'm thinking of you, and hoping you're OK. TFOWR 08:05, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the star - I'll try not to live up to it!   Will Beback  talk  01:36, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Oh my! Hard to say where this is will go next. Remember that we don't have to keep it up-to-the-minute. But it may end up something like "2010 Bell corruption scandal". By the way, some of the new materials seems awfully close to the text in the Times, just a word or two changed.   Will Beback  talk  20:48, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Several things were changed but have worked on it further. I often type in my sleep so ty for keeping me on my toes. DocOfSoc (talk) 22:52, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Sleep typing, trust you will follow up on me ;-) Nite ! DocOfSoc (talk) 07:41, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Had oral surgery the 29th. Am doing ok now, but I have found some interesting edits I made while on heavy pain meds. Mea Culpa! DocOfSoc (talk) 03:54, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Glad you are feeling better. Oral surgery is lousy, been there, done that and will probably be there again sometime soon. The reason I stop editing near mid day or afternoon is due to chronic pain issues, thus pain meds. Just a suggestion, but if you feel at all loopy or unable to focus then it's better to read and maybe do a little bit of vandal patrolling than to do serious edits. :) Hope you continue to feel better and better. --CrohnieGal^Talk 10:49, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Get well soon.   Will Beback  talk  08:35, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Crisps

We did have another article called crips and you yanks merged the pages either both food stuffs need to be covered equally or we need our article back you cant just endlessly revert VALID changes 94.168.210.205 (talk) 11:51, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

It is not valid where you put it. see discussion. I agree Crisps should be separate article THIS Yank had nothing to do with merging which are essentially different products.DocOfSoc (talk) 11:53, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

The Prophet Wizard of the Crayon Cake

• By the way, it looks like the IP user reverted just once. Four reverts are the usual threshold for a block. It's best to leave a gentle note telling new users that reverting is not productive.   Will Beback  talk  08:38, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

[9] crisp queen]

Hi

Hi Doc! Thanks for the tea. I get a lot of it in the lab where I work, where I'm also quite busy, but I'm still left with just a bit of time to edit. What are you up to? I see you've been involved with WP California. Myself, I'm focusing right now on improving research on Wikiversity and may be going to the NYC conference. So that is cool and I'm hoping that's one more thing to get excited about. --La comadreja _{formerly AFriedman} RESEARCH (talk) 02:42, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Hi -oh what do I call you now? LOL

Sorry to hear you are having trouble with your eyesight. Let me know if I can help. I am having a wonderful time with the CA local cities, their history is so interconnected, you know I love my research. I hope you get to go to the conference...I wanna go! LOL Budget constraints! I too need new glasses, so I understand! I will answer you email someday, it has been a bit chaotic around here since my oral surgery last week. It's always something, isn't it? Pop by anytime, I love your messages! Hugs to Doc# 1 whom I know reads over your shoulder LOL! Namaste...DocOfSoc (talk) 10:52, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Your shoulder, maybe ;> Check out this userbox:

This user has been attacked by a sock puppet.

You may appreciate it. Cheers :> Doc9871 (talk) 04:43, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

What if anything am I missing above? Private joke? Color me confused. :) I do like that userbox though so I'm going to go ahead and snag it to add to my user page. Thanks and all of you be well, --CrohnieGal^Talk 14:03, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

My opinion

Hi, Doc #2, I saw your comments here asking for opinions. You have Will Beback and Ground Zero giving you advice about the article. Both of them are editors with a long history of good editing here with good knowledge of policies and guideline plus to add to that they are administrators (which doesn't matter since they are acting in editors positions). I really think you should listen to them and learn from them. I can't really help at this time as you know but that's how I learned to do lot of things at this project, by watching and listening to editors who have been here for a long time. I'm not saying this too well but let me put it this way, editors who are very constructive and do a lot of article editing are editors that can teach others with lower edit counts who are still learning things. I think you should listen to what they say and ask questions if you don't understand. From what I could read, I didn't see anyone assuming bad faith in your edits. Did I miss something? Well I hope this suggestion is helpful and it is just a suggestion. Be well sweetie and talk soon, --CrohnieGal^Talk 13:51, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Hey thanks!

I'm a lot more serene now! I've "userbox-ified" the award (User:TFOWR/Userboxes/Awards/Zen Garden Award) and added it to my userpage. Thanks again, I really appreciate that after the vandal-battling day I had earlier! TFOWR 15:58, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Honorary Award for good work

Hi,

I present:

This editor is a Honorary Grognard Extraordinaire and is entitled to borrow this Wikipedia Vest Pocket Edition.

Yours, Mootros (talk) 17:05, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Hey

Hope your surgery went OK. Call me "La comadreja" now. I think I know what to call you these days, DocOfSoc. Unless you want to be called something else. People are allowed to change their Usernames, aren't they?  :) I am sure cities in CA are very interesting and is there anything of note with those? BTW, do you like my new Userpage? --La comadreja _{formerly AFriedman} RESEARCH (talk) 02:00, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

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Autism and my GD>

A Small story. My granddaughter should be starting her Senior year of High school this year. She will never go to a prom, be a cheerleader or graduate , like her cousin , who is the same age. She never be a beautiful bride...She was 10 years old when she died of a grand mal seizure. She was the victim of an especially severe form of autism. She was beautiful and I love her. I believe she can now do all the things she couldn't do on earth. While earthbound, she had significant difficulties in social interaction, along with restricted and repetitive patterns of behavior and interests. Also there was Intense preoccupation with a narrow subjects. That she failed to demonstrate any empathy is possibly the most dysfunctional aspect. Her failure to react appropriately to social interaction appeared to be disregard for other people's feelings, and may come across as insensitive. A high proportion of deaths are abrupt, but most have no identifiable cause; in some instances death is the result most likely of:

spontaneous brainstem dysfunction

cardiac arrest

seizures

Interaction was difficult, but I fell in love with the seemingly perfect tiny baby at birth and that never changed. Her name is Amber and she did miss a lot of life. She also missed worsening symptoms inability to feed herself, loss of verbal skills, basic functions, a wheelchair... Sometimes it is good to go to heaven early. I write this to remind myself it was OK for my baby sister too. She died in March, 2010. I had her a lot longer and it is much harder to let go from an already broken heart... Just sayin'...

DocOfSoc (talk) 08:30, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

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To whom it may concern: I wrote a well researched and informative note about autism, a subject of great concern in todays' society albeit from a personal point of view on MY user page. To write the above piece of crap to someone obviously in mourning shows a total lack of empathy and a high degree of ignorance. In other words, get off my back and f*** off! P.S. you need to study this page Perspective]

I've placed a one-day semi-protection on this page to get SRQ to move on. At least for now. Let me know if you'd like your user page indef protected. Courcelles 02:10, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

FYI: Amberlyn Marie Diamond died on June 11, 2002, In Lynwood Washington, from a grand mal seizure, caused by an autism spectrum disorder. Her brain was sent to Harvard to study this particular rare disorder. Should be easy to verify.

Sorry to hear about your loss. I'm glad her suffering is over, and hope that your family can find peace with this. -- Jrtayloriv (talk) 05:22, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the kind words. Writing it out helped with finding peace. And, TY for your support. You are one of the good peple! Namaste...DocOfSoc (talk) 08:54, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Practice

Still practicing: (talk page stalker)

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More Practice:

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and more practice for future useDocOfSoc (talk)

Spread the goodness of cookies by adding {{subst:Cookie}} to someone's talk page with a friendly message, or eat this cookie on the giver's talk page with {{subst:munch}}!

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== SRQ ==

Never feed the trolls.

I have filed an SPI report here - thought you should know. Cheers :> Doc9871 (talk)

Hey, DOS! I wanted to ask you if it's alright if I "refactor" your response to Equazcion at the SPI to the appropriate place - it would make the report look more organized. Cheers :> Doc9871 (talk)

Never mind! I went ahead and did it. It makes more sense now. Cheers :> Doc9871 (talk) 04:33, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

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You deserve this

When you first became an editor you had lots of obstacles to over come with being under constant attack, but you did it. You have come such a long way during your time here. You are a good editor who is also a great asset to the project. Keep up your good work. --CrohnieGal^Talk 14:28, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

I really mean it, you have come a long way now that you don't have to worry about constant attacks, well mostly not worry. Your editing and esp. your ability to locate sources is very impressive. When I saw this barnstar I thought of you. Keep up the good work.--CrohnieGal^Talk 14:28, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

What a nice surprise and compliment! Thank you for all your help in moving forward. I don't know that I could have made up for so much wasted time without your thoughtful guidance. Namaste...DocOfSoc (talk) 19:10, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

No, this time you did it yourself. You learned how to get reliable sources and got them. Well heck you've become one heck of an editor here and I thought it was time to acknowledge it. You are doing great, keep it up. --CrohnieGal^Talk 21:23, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Reminder

The thing to remember about these trolls is that they don't get any positive feedback, ever, so they get a fix from annoying people instead. Any attempt to communicate with them only makes it harder for them to recognise themselves for that they are and do something about it. Follow Wikipedia:Deny recognition and remember to Revert, block, ignore. You can do this by adding the text {{subst:AFC submission/submit}} to the top of the article.) Thank you for your contributions Chzz is taking a break from Wikipedia. -- Chzz ► 04:36, 27 July 2010 ...sort-of. For a combination of Wiki?edia-related and IRL reasons, I'm not quite editing at my normal capacity. I may or may not be around. I hope that 'normal service' will be resumed, at some point in the future. Chzz ► 12:53, 7 September 2010 (UTC) If you are looking for a recent-ish reply, it'll be in User talk:Chzz/Archive 26 OR 27

(talk page stalker) You might be interested in this.    Thorncrag  19:09, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Bungalow Heaven

I know you meant well, but please don't just copy and paste entire articles from one page to another without noting what you've done in an edit summary. That content is the work of other editors; copying it without attribution violates our licensing policy. If you feel an article should be merged into another, there is a process for that. In this case, because Bungalow Heaven is on the historic register it has its own notability, so the content probably should not be merged. If you still think it should, there's a process for that, too.

On a related note, {{main}} is meant to direct readers to the main article mentioned in a small subsection of a larger article, not the other way around. It should be used in the "Bungalow Heaven" section of the Pasadena article, not at the top of the Bungalow Heaven article.

I've made the necessary corrections, so if you're happy with how it is now there's no need for you to do anything. I just wanted to explain this for future reference. Thanks - Kafziel ^{Complaint Department: Please take a number} 16:45, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Hi There! First of all , thank you for your impressive service to and for our country, I salute you!

RE: Bungalow Heaven: Thank you for fixing my mistake. I had looked at the merging process and it looked like I needed an admin so was going to do that later. You beat me ;-) As an aside, I have lived within a few miles of Pasadena my entire life, somewhere in the vicinity of half a century, and had never heard of Bungalow Heaven. It looks like a stub and quacks like a stub... I digress :-D IMO it should be merged with Pasadena, with it's many Historical Landmarks.

If Pasadena had a separate stub for all its historical landmarks there would be a plethora of stubs! Anyway, It is a pleasure to "meet" you and I look forward to hearing your opinion on "merging". Thanks again! Namaste...DocOfSoc (talk) 21:10, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Ah, a rare Los Angeles native! :) I live in Mt. Washington. Bungalow Heaven is one of my favorite parts of Pasadena (and just a stone's throw from the Gamble House). Great spot to walk around, if you're into architecture.

I agree the article could do with some expansion, but it does have references and a photo so it's not actually a stub. Just a short article. Even so, stubs are okay; as long as the subject is notable and there's some possibility for growth, there's no limit to the number we can have. The NRHP Wikiproject is working to expand coverage of everything on the National Register, which I suppose is why that article was created in the first place. It's short, but I think it has legs to stand on its own. I'll see if I can expand it a bit, though.

Nice to meet you! Kafziel ^{Complaint Department: Please take a number} 16:35, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

=TY

Thank you for such a quick response to this. Much appreciated. I was just talking with Errant after thanking him for doing a revert. He said a little birdy whispered in his ear...I got a great laugh. I don't have the dif on me but look at my contributions to find what I'm babbling about. It won't be hard to find.  :) Thanks again, about to leave the computer, hubby's birthday today. --CrohnieGal^Talk 12:57, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

WikiBreak

"forsooth, there is no one I trust more." Where are ye when I need ye?"DocOfSoc (talk) 08:11, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Andriza Mircovich

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		Thank you for your collective initiative in improving Andriza Mircovich. KimChee (talk) 18:32, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Regarding your post on the talk page, I think the lead is still short in proportion to the length of the rest of the article, but it may merit a GA nomination in the near future. KimChee (talk) 18:32, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Hello DocOfSoc. For the sake of objectivity, it is recommended that an editor who has substantially edited an article avoid self-assessment beyond a rating of "start" or "stub" (if very short). You can seek third-party assessments for biographical articles from WP:BIOGRAPHY/A. In the case of Andriza Mircovich, a requested editor did in fact rate it "B" so there is no issue over its current rating, but I thought it worthwhile to point this out to you. Cheers. KimChee (talk) 20:46, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Abraham Curry

Hello, your edits to the article are a welcome improvement. However, I noticed that reference #11 (which you requested for wikification) was a duplicate of reference #4. Here is the template used for that particular citation: <ref name="ONE-Curry">{{cite web|last=Marshall|first=Sandra|url=http://www.onlinenevada.org/abraham_curry|title=Abraham Curry|publisher=Online Nevada Encyclopedia|date=September 29, 2010|accessdate=November 5, 2010}}</ref>

Useful citation templates that help conform to the Harvard style include: {{cite book}} for literary sources, {{cite journal}} for journals and magazines, {{cite news}} for news sources, and {{cite web}} for other online sources. Let me know if you need any additional pointers. KimChee (talk) 14:49, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks KimChee, I really enJoy working with you. I appreciate your tip! The murderer article is shaping up really well, see you there and back at Curry! Namaste...DocOfSoc (talk) 15:43, 21 November 2010 (UTC)