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Thanks for the welcome

Thanks a lot for the welcome. Now I feel like a real Wikipedian!

Doshea3 20:59, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Fermanagh

I will not press the issue, but I think you are wrong. Fermanagh is essentially an administrative area, whether called a district or a county. So it should be marked as such, even in a county list. --Audiovideo 01:55, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The county and district are two distinct areas - Template:Counties of Ireland is for the former and not the latter - in summary "County Fermanagh" is to "Fermanagh District" as England is to Britain - the terms are not interchangeable.
Djegan 18:00, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Do you think there was a difference before 1973? --Audiovideo 13:14, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I am not sure what you mean - now is 2005 in any case and counties and districts are different - the fundemental question is is County Fermanagh an administrative entity?, no, Fermanagh District is - but this table is not about districts. Djegan 17:33, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Dublin City University Article

I think it might be prudent to cut back or possibly eliminate the lists of various things. Djegan 19:35, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

I'm not sure what to take out, I'll leave that up to you. I'm good at finding information, not figuring out whether a particular piece of information is suitable for inclusion in an article, or whether the format used to display the information is appropriate eg: lists. - Beta

It is not my intention to totally remove any of the material you have introduced but rather to restructure the article so that material on accomodation, bars and restaurants should come under one single section such as "Facilities" - or simailar - and the material presented as written paragraphs rather than lists of facts. My own preference is for written paragraphs in a narrative form that can be easier to read and edit. Djegan 14:22, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

DCU Library

Do you have a better image of the O'Reilly library than the one on the DCU definition? If you do please replace the image which is currently being used.

That current image is a model as far as I know but I think it is the best their might be. Djegan 22:00, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

A picture similar to the one on the front of the DCU Visa card would be better, if one could be found.

DCU Links

Could these useful links about DCU's governing structure, board of trustees etc.. be left in or should they be put on a different page:

• Corporate Identity
• DCU Administration and Organisation
• DCU Business & Innovation
• DCU Counselling Service-not sure about this one.
• DCU Disability Service-not sure about this one.
• DCU Educational Trust
• DCU Education Services
• DCU Events
• DCU General Information
• DCU Governing Authority
• DCU Health Service-not sure about this one.
• DCU International Office
• DCU News
• DCU Public Affairs and Media Relations Office
• DCU Summer Accommodation
• DCU Visual Arts

I think it is better to leave them out and leave links relevant - if you have specific relevant information then by all means add it into the article. It is no harm to add info governance etc, but goverance in irish universities tends to be too broad. I have left a message on your talk page, Beta. Djegan 17:50, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Were these links not valid in the positions they were in, in the DCU entry:

DCU Public Affairs and Media Relations Office (http://www.dcu.ie/marketing/campaign.shtml)

Institutional Exchange Links (http://www.dcu.ie/international/partners.shtml)

DCU International Office (http://www.dcu.ie/international/index.shtml)

roomsatdcu.com (http://www.roomsatdcu.com)

DCU Summer Accommodation (http://www.summeraccommodation.dcu.ie/)

DCU Administration and Organisation (http://www.dcu.ie/staff/administration.shtml)

DCU Educational Trust (http://www.dcu.ie/trust/trustees.shtml)

I have no problem with links, but my fear is perhaps that their are already a lot of links - certainly if they can be worked into the text then by all means. Djegan 22:39, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Poor work on recent Irish articles

I've been going through jtdirl's edits, and I'm appalled at the generally low quality of his work. Errors in spelling and grammar abound, many details are incorrect, and the way he tortures English makes me wince. I've been cleaning up his edits, but I've only gone back a few days so far and it looks like a lot of work. Perhaps English is not his native language, but apart from style, his material is not reliable. At one point he talked about "the President of the United Kingdom" as a factual office.

I'm not putting myself forward as a purveyor of high class English, but the stuff put out by this editor is pretty bloody ordinary, and that's me being generous! Could you take a look at his stuff, please?

Thanks for the space, BTW - mote in mate's eye and all that! Pete 22:09, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I am not convinced that Jtdirl's edits are low quality as a matter of course - in particular comments you placed in the edit history of Official Seal of the President of Ireland [1] would appear to be part of a series of edits intended for him which you posted today. In fact Jtdirl only has superficially edited this article by the inclusion of a template and much of the work on this article is by me, in fact.
Djegan 22:20, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

My mistake. I've been looking at jtdirl's edits and correcting errors. In this case you are correct, and I assumed that the the mistakes were his. Nevertheless, he has dropped some real clangers and if someone with a knowledge of Irish affairs were to go over his work, perhaps errors that I am unable to detect could be corrected. Pete 01:11, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

lots of edits, not an admin

Hi - I made a list of users who've been around long enough to have made lots of edits but aren't admins. If you're at all interested in becoming an admin, can you please add an '*' immediately before your name in this list? I've suggested folks nominating someone might want to puruse this list. Thanks. -- Rick Block (talk) 22:39, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC)

Image

Yo! Can you upload This image to commons and GNU license it? I mean, I'd hate to take your version and modify the color a bit... then upload it when you did all the hard work. It would be nice to use in Irish Wikipedia ℬastique▼^talk 22:03, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The image is fair use (i have copied it from www.galwaycity.ie) and i don't think commons or gnu is acceptable? - but to be fair i am not well versed in licencing. The current image was intended as an intermediate to a fully gnu complaint image which i intend(ed) to create. But you are welcome to upload to the Irish Wikipedia. Djegan 15:10, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Bologna Process

Hello. I'm a British student thinking quite seriously about studying within the European Union, I noticed from your article about the Bologna Process that you seem quite knowledgable about this subject. I have been asking the internet for a while about the ins and outs of studying in Europe; finance, how my a-levels transfer, etc. but I have been to find any suitable source of information.

You would make this young student eternally grateful if you could describe to me a blow by blow account of how one would go about studying within a European member state to lord_hyper_tom[at]yahoo.co.uk

Thanks again.

The Bologna process is still in early stages at the moment and by all accounts will be a generic higher education policy of the Union rather than a specific policy detailing the ins and outs of studing in the Union - very little has changed in the last year with respect to the policy - it is largely a policy under consideration. Getting specific information at the moment is quite difficult - higher education is a complicated area - in particular international agreements between stakeholders such as colleges, employers, professional associations and universities have meant that the Union will not insist on a particular path to be followed in the mean term.

Engineering, for instance, is a prime example where their is a number of international agreements that are very specific and transcend the Union and in these matters the professional associations that signed up are not to willing to start afresh. For instance the Dublin, Sydney and Washington accords on professional engineering are examples of these agreements that set specific standards for the practice of engineering - associations involved in them have generally agreed that no immediate action should be taken and renegiotation would be neccessary. Many other reciprocol agreements exisit between individual associations.

Having said that professional associations are in many cases most aware of the issues involved and also internationally minded universities and their representative organisations also discuss it frequently - these organisations will lobby governments for their view if a decision is to be made. Additionally language and economic considerations mean that blocks of countries may move togetheir, for instance in the Republic of Ireland the United Kingdom and United States are chief concerns. The Erasmus programme and Socrates programme are the Unions education policy in action at the moment and this is where the answer lies at the moment, any good careers guidance councillor or website should be able to advise of the European dimension to education. Hope this information is of use. Djegan 30 June 2005 21:03 (UTC)

County boroughs

Of course you're right, I mistyped! QuartierLatin 1968 19:11, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Niall O Brolchain

Djegan, did you write2006-07: [Expected to be Cllr. Niall O Brolchain ] for the 2006-07 term for Mayor of Galway? I'm removing it because prediction has no place in this, and besides a week is a long time in politics, never mind a year! Fergananim

No, I carried it across from Mayors of Galway after merging the two articles, admittantly wikipedia has a policy against predictions. Djegan 6 July 2005 17:32 (UTC)

Lists of Towns/Villages/Places in Northern Ireland

Sorry you felt you had to change the names back to List of etc. I wasn't aware this was a convention, but if it is it is not a very sensible one, given that it restricts the ability of users to actually directly find anything useful. If you now try searching for Towns in Northern Ireland it leads to a redirect (supposedly also against Wiki convention). However, happy to abide by convention. Ardfern 18:33, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

"List of towns..." is for lists of towns as the name suggests - "Towns in..." is an expanatory article that should, for instance, discuss the legal, historical and other relevant facts on what constitutes a town and should not be a list of towns. For example Towns of the United Kingdom has a list of lists but does not list individual towns. And redirecting is most certainly not against wikipedia policy - in fact the sensible use of it is to be commended - where you got that convention please cite. Djegan 18:51, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

Professional Vandalism

If you believe my edits are vandalism, feel free to report them on the relevant page. Your choice of adjective is confusing.

Lapsed Pacifist 19:41, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

I don't agree. There seems to be a consensus on referring to the IRA and other groups as paramilitaries rather than terrorists. Similar damage could have been done by the Luftwaffe, were they terrorists? No-warning bombs in pubs in Birmingham, that's terrorism, no doubt about it. Economic targets? Ask the RAF, no-one has any problem with them. We've already discussed geographical terminology, but if you have more to say, out with it.

Lapsed Pacifist 18:12, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

The Luftwaffe were the standing air force of a sovereign country and the war that it took to resolve this was the most bloody in human history - many of the masters of the third reich were found guilty of crimes against humanity, more serious than terrorism. You cannot compare the two. What are you implying about the RAF? this is often the problem with your edits, pov implications. The final decision with respect to Northern Ireland is to call it Northern Ireland anything else is pov and is not acceptable. Djegan 18:30, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

You seem to have forgotten our discussion on Talk: Articles 2 and 3 of the Constitution of Ireland, where I stated clearly I would not be in favour of such a move. I remain hopeful sense will prevail.

Lapsed Pacifist 21:48, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

That was a discussion and no concensus was arrived at for the preference of six counties - dont kid yourself - i am not. Djegan 22:00, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

Irish Pound

I get that you didn't like the pound coin, I really do. But your unsourced, unreferenced attack on it is simply not encyclopedic; it's also a little rambling and conversational: "old coins had little value, either face or marketwise, notwithstanding the fact that they were no longer legal tender." You're indulging your particular feelings on the subject, not addressing the subject in a dispassionate way. Ben-w 18:19, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

I place a very high standard on what I contribute but this does not mean that what I contribute is going to be one sided either - "rambling and conversational"; this is what I call "discussion", an article should not be a collection of facts and nor should it be a collection of sources either - it should have substance. For this I make no apology. Djegan 18:26, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Dropped you a line on that page. Sorry for being a dick. Ben-w 09:28, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Irish TV

Move away, I just put them there as nothing else was there yet. Only wrote them as the rainfade is too bad to actually watch TV too much today :) --Kiand 19:18, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

You may want to take a glance at Irish Republican Army. A user wants to blur the line between the Old IRA and later IRAs and is annoyed that, as a professional historian, I am trying to point out the fact that post 1922 IRAs did not have the same legitimacy in the public's eyes as the IRA of the Anglo-Irish War. FearÉIREANN\^(caint) 21:32, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

Dublin Nationalism

Story bud! I see you have reported me for Vandalism and whatnot regarding the Greater Dublin Area article. Any chance that you can fill me in on way and also what repercussions may be involved? If you believe my addition to be ficitious I will right an article of DSublin Nationalism with the relevant links to back me up. Mercy buckets! saluedo

If you can provide any valid reason for your edit do so on Wikipedia:Vandalism in progress#Moderate 2 - just search for your name and it will detail what I have said. You can defend yourself there - it is an alert page and not a arbitration. Djegan 19:32, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

I've just been checking out the use of Six Counties on Wikipedia. Jeez but it has been sneaked in in a lot of places. LP did a lot of it, but so did others. I've spent ages NPOVing the entries but there is still a lot more to do. If you get a chance, do a worksearch for them and remove a few. A couple of months ago the problem was extremists from unionism putting in Ulster all over the place. Now it is republicans sneaking in Six Counties. Is it any wonder so many people down here get so fed up of the lot of them and their lets the one up on the other lot childish antics!!! And when the republicans get tired, the unionists will come back and do their POVing, leaving the likes of you and me to NPOV everything again. At this stage Wikipedia needs to get ruthless in how it deals with the whole bloody lot of them from both sides, and block those from either side who insist on slotting in POV language from their community in an attempt to get the two fingers to the other side. God knows how many hours have been wasted NPOVing stuff, then reNPOVing stuff, then redoing it again, when one side or the other launches a POV attack on Wikipedia articles. FearÉIREANN\^(caint) 02:16, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Agreed all round - the more you contribute the more you have to check for agendas - I am not going to remove much six counties stuff soon as I am too busy for the next few days. Definitely wikipedia is too soft touch on vandalism - it should be three warnings and your out and not 3RR. People ride roughshot over policies in the name of anything - if they can't get what they want then sockpuppets do it for them. Djegan 17:30, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

DCU Article - possible vandalism

I'm not sure if the following sentence constitutes vandalism:

"DCU is humerously referred to as "UCD for dyslexics" due to the serious nature of the college and the search for a small amount of comic relief."

I'm hoping that a more experienced member of wikipedia, such as yourself, could shed some light on it for me. - Beta

I have reverted that, well spotted - their are no occures on a google of the term and that is good enough for me. Djegan 19:29, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Reverts : Haggis, Irish stereotypes

Haggis - i made mention of the accidental poisoning of 500 or so people with contaminated meat which led to 20 fatalities. And i did it in the pop culture, unusual facts section, just before haggis hurling. Dont get me wrong. I dont intend any offence. i personally like haggis. But some of the people readin wiki may not know anything about the possible risk, and i think it is prudent to point it out. Im sure none of us want people dying trying new foods which they are not used to. But youre the expert. If you dont like my phrasing, edit. Is it really wise to remove a small friendly warning in a non prominent section of the article ?

Irish stereotypes - I dont make them up. And i think all stereotypes are wrong. Especially racist ones. Obviously i dont personally think that all irish pluck ducks for charity in their spare time. Though some may. But surely no more than people of any other race. Again, i was merely trying to report the false perception in wiki. Though i apologise if my phrasing caused grief.

Wikitravel

Hi Djegan,

I am currently writing about Dublin for the German WikiTravel project. I'd like to use the Dublin shield picture from Wikicommons which, as I was told, is your work. Although the pic is in the public domain we cannot simply copy content from Wikipedia to Wikitravel as the „Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 1.0“ (CC-by-SA), which we use, is not 100% compatible with the „GNU-FDL-License“ used in Wikipedia. It'd be nice if you enable us to use that pic in Wikitravel. To do so all you have to do is provide the shield with a double license. That's fairly easy and straightforward. All you have to do is add a text module "double license cc-by-sa" on the pics page.

Thanks in advance

Hrothgar

I hope it is licenced correct now for your project. Djegan 14:02, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks a mill. Greetings to Dublin and especially Blanchardstown :-) Hrothgar.

Londonderry

I am writing about the Unreformed House of Commons, that is, about a time when the city was undoubtedly called Londonderry. I do not want the link from that article to go to the article Derry, which was not the name of a parliamentary borough. If needs be I will create a new article Londonderry (parliamentary borough). Adam 13:19, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

You should read Talk:Derry if you disagree by all means put up another request for redirect. You don't always get your way at wikipedia. Djegan 13:21, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

As for Londonderry (parliamentary borough), feel free I am not going to hinder you, as it is quite legitimate. Djegan 13:26, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Wikimedia UK/Wikimania 2006

Hi, this is a circular to Wikipedians in Ireland to draw your attention to Wikimedia UK, where the establishment of a local Wikimedia chapter for the United Kingdom (and possibly for the Republic of Ireland) is being discussed. See the talk page, as well as the mailing list; a meetup will take place to discuss matters in London in September, for anyone who can get there. On another topic, plans are being drawn up for a UK bid for Wikimania 2006, which would be conveniently close to Ireland. On the other hand, Dublin's bid was one of the final three last year - might we bid again? --Kwekubo 03:50, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Image:NFQ-Ireland.png has been listed for deletion

An image or media file you have uploaded, Image:NFQ-Ireland.png, has been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. Please look there to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you.

• Me again. I just voted keep but you may want to put a source tag on it as it's marked NS. Reckon it'll be a keeper, then - Ali-oops^✍ 22:30, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Ireland

Heyya - I had a first stab at filling out some of the sub-cat entries in there; RTC, Unis, etc. Have a quick check & maybe make sure I haven't messed anything up! :-) Thanks - Ali-oops^✍ 17:14, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the welcome, hopefully I can help a bit. --Me or a Robin 08:36, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

Images for deletion

Yep, no worries. Thanks for the notification anyways.

zoney ♣ talk 22:41, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

County Armagh

Hey i dont know what your thoughts are on the subject, but you might want to take a look a edits by Johnbull (talk · contribs) on the County Armagh page, i have reverted him just about every time, keeing on edit, whcih in it's previous state, though i belive it, could be doubious being that it's not backed bu a source. I dont know that the community thoughs arte on the wording, but a look at Johnbull user page, basically explans his actions, at least i see it that way. Your thoughts? --Boothy443 | comhrá 21:47, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

I have seen what you two have been doing and have not decided as yet what side I will take. But it may be best to use "The Troubles" rather than trying to assign symantecs like "armed struggle" and "terrorism". Additionally the term "British" should be used with reservation, considering it is a very broad term, "United Kingdom" or "Northern Ireland" are better. Djegan 21:58, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

67.101.192.69

Djegan-I don't understand-are you Ali-Oops, are are you not?? Just curious. by the way google "Hibernofascism" and "statue of Sean Russell in north Dublin" and "stormfront" and see why I don't like Irish Catholics, particularly (except for Phil Donahue, Richard Doherty, Spike Milligan (deceased), Tom and Paddy Clancy (both deceased), Mary Kenny (West), and some others). 67.101.192.69 01:43, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Nope. DJ ain't me and I ain't him. Unlike yourself, I doubt if he indulges in sockpuppetry. Thanks for asking, tho' ... - Ali-oops^✍ 07:58, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Theirs the answer for your first question (yes, i dont sockpuppet) - as for your opinion, everyone has a right to an opinion but if you have come to wikipedia to spread you ethnic slurs then please stop because their are too many people here who will gladly revert. The site www.uncyclopedia.org is the place for you. Djegan 17:57, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

UL crest

What is your source for declaring this to be the UL crest as of 2005?

No one at the University has suggested this to staff or students (there is a staff spam-mail news service), and everything bar the new website uses the traditional crest - and apart from the new introduction site, the other parts of the site still use the UL crest. Not only that, but there's no news on the website even about such a major change.

I would be very surprised if this logo was actually a new official crest. Don't you think you're jumping the gun a bit!

Heck, it's the only history UL has, and is a permanent fixture on many of the buildings and plaques.

zoney ♣ talk 23:10, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

Oh, and was placed on my most recent degree this September - I would think serious legal changes would also be required for changing the University crest from this point of view!

zoney ♣ talk 23:13, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

In whatever capacity the new logo or crest is, it has being placed on the official website of the university and this is good enough for me to determine that it has recieved some official sanction - the fact that it is the crest (for parchments) or the logo (for corporate material) is beside the point. We do not remove items from articles mearly because we do not like the design, I will unless you can prove that it is a forgery, etc - return it to the article - perhaps in a less obtrusive place. See the University College Dublin article and its talk page regardings its new logos (its not uncommon for a university to have a crest and completely different logo) and as a matter of fact whilst DCU has being sporting a new logo for many years, until at least 2003 it was using the old official seal of the university. Djegan 23:22, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

Irish universities websites are not known for making quick transitions during corporate makeovers - see the website of www.nuig.ie - and UCC was similar some time ago. Djegan 23:24, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

That is reasonably satisfactory, despite the fact you have no particular evidence beyond a website-redesign to go by for declaring that UL even has a new "corporate logo" (let alone crest). Certainly I could at least believe your latest suggestion possible, perhaps even likely, but it does still merely exist as your own interpretation of the situation.

zoney ♣ talk 23:43, 1 October 2005 (UTC)