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Desmond, Mittelgebirge has 2 meanings in German. It can mean 'low mountains', but it also refers to the Central Uplands (usually die deutsche Mittelgebirge). In the context of the above article, I have looked at the original on de.wiki and I agree that it is more likely to be the former, so "hilly regions" is fine. Just thought you'd be interested in the alternative meaning. Regards. --Bermicourt (talk) 20:00, 12 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your comments! Mittel translates closer to average, median, or medium rather than middle (e.g. Lebensmittel) and www.Leo.org translates Mittelgebirge as low mountains. It is one of the cases where the same word has slightly different meaning DesmondW (talk) 06:50, 30 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ireland's fjords

Do you have any reputable citations to support your writings within three articles last May 3rd that Carlingford Lough and Lough Swilly are fjords? — O'Dea 21:15, 18 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

There are many; J B Whittow "Geology and Scenery in Ireland" 1974 for one. The glacial nature of both is beyond dispute, however Killary Harbour apparently lay on the very edge of the glacial region and there have been questions about its nature.DesmondW (talk) 22:03, 18 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the reply. I will try to find a copy of that book if I can. Meanwhile, can you point to any reputable source online that I could look at? Your statements now in Wikipedia are propagating all over the internet in Wikimirrors, so they can't be cited. I was taught that Killary Harbour was Ireland's only fjord, so I apply scepticism towards possible claim jumpers or wannabes. I notice you say "the glacial nature of [Carlingford and Swilly] is beyond dispute"; I don't dispute that, either, but a drumlin is also glacial without being a fjord. Perhaps the definition of and criteria for a fjord have been refined by geographers in a way that now includes Swilly and Carlingford. Tell me if you know a credible online source about Ireland having three fjords instead of one. Thanks. — O'Dea 16:45, 19 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your very reasonable response, I have been burned before. The glacial field covered this country from the north, of course, and Killary was at the southern edge whilst Strangford & Carlingford were engulfed by ice and have many other glacial features such as Cym valleys, the Mournes are also marked with many glacial features. You mentioned drumlins and will know of them in county Down, so you may know of esker ridges, such as alongside Clonmacnoise, also glacial in origin. The northern third of this country was heavily scoured by glacial effects. So far as web references go how about <http://books.google.ie/books?id=lvSN6DbnkyQC&pg=PA10&lpg=PA10&dq=carlingford+glacial&source=bl&ots=4jIN9Xwa8I&sig=9GxPB_K6udFkTULrYa4asA1ArNg&hl=en&ei=AVk3TYj9J4XNhAfT46WeAw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&sqi=2&ved=0CB8Q6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=carlingford%20glacial&f=false> (apologies if I haven't mapped this link correctly)
The key point is not that Carlingford & Strangford Loughs are glacial fjords which is undisputed, but that Killary Harbour has no valid claim to be the only one and may not even be glacial at all. Killary Harbour's claim "the only fjord in Ireland" is completely specious. DesmondW (talk) 21:48, 19 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I must add that it (Killary Harbour) is one of the most beautiful places I know and has no need of hyperbole. DesmondW (talk) 21:54, 19 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Your statement creates many difficulties. 1. The link you provide leads to an account of Carlingford Lough, saying that it experienced glacial action, but without using the word "fjord". There is no mention of Lough Swilly as a fjord, nor any dismissal of Killary. 2. You reject entirely Killary's claim to be a fjord as "specious", an excessive dismissal which casts doubt on your seriousness and knowledge. 3. You say the glacial field came from the north and that "Killary was at the southern edge", but this is pure ignorance: the whole country was covered in ice: see this map and this one. 4. You repeat, "The northern third of this country was heavily scoured by glacial effects." But the whole country was affected by glaciation. 5. You talk distractingly about cwms, drumlins, eskers, and the Mournes in a scattershot pile of irrelevant details: I'm only talking about a fjord. Are you waffling because you can't sustain your claims about Lough Swilly and Carlingford Lough? 6. You didn't mention Lough Swilly once, and dragged in Strangford Lough as a new candidate, ex nihilo and previously unmentioned. 7. You cited nothing to tear Killary Harbour down off its pedestal as a "specious" pretender. 8. I searched in Google for the phrase "Ireland's only fjord" and found 43,300 results. Then I searched for the phrase "Ireland's fjords" (implying more than one) and had only three results, but they were copies of each other, so it was really only one result—on the entire internet—and that single hit was only a blog. 8. The Encyclopædia Britannica describes "the fine fjord of Killary Harbour". 10. The Lonely Planet guide to Ireland talks on page 424 about "Killary harbour Little (or Little Killary) ...its shape mimicking the larger-scale fjord further north". On page 26 it talks about "Ireland's only fjord"; on page 411, "Killary Harbour, the country's only fjord"; on page 421, "Ireland's only fjord". 11. Fodor's guide to Ireland talks about "Killary Harbour, a narrow fjord (the only one in Ireland)". 12. If you'd like something meatier, more academic, in 1987 the Journal of the Marine Biological Association of the United Kingdom carried a paper entitled, Hydrography and the distribution of phytoplankton in Killary Harbour: a fjord in western Ireland. 13. Or how about the 1984 paper from University College, Galway, Fluxes of organic carbon in a fjord on the west coast of Ireland. 14. Earlier, above, you maintained again that "Killary Harbour apparently lay on the very edge of the glacial region" but the ice dropped drumlins out into the Atlantic at Clew Bay and scratched the bedrock out as far as the Aran Islands. 15. The fact that Killary was a fjord was part of the academic curriculum when I studied geography. So was the fact that it was the only one. With fifteen problems like that, I am forced to withhold my trust from an unsupported claim that there is more than one fjord in Ireland. — O'Dea 00:59, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Oh dear, you completely misquote me and have gone off on a rant.
I do not say that Killary is not a fjord, merely that it is not the only one in Ireland.
Having studied the subject I am surprised by you overlooking all the obvious features, and quoting from derived sources like "Lonely Planet" is exactly what promotes the myth.
Let me quote from an original source, Whittow: "both Lough Foyle and Lough Swilly, the one a structured downfold... ...the other a true fjord, ice eroded and overdeepened between the steep walls of quartzite which flank its shores."
and again "Carlingford the 'Cairlinn fjord' is named more aptly than its neighbour Strangford (Strang fjord)... ...The Pleistocene ice-sheets, in the form of the Carlingford glacier, scoured out the floor of the trough at its narrowest part but as in all true fjords the entrance to the lough is marked by a shallowing of the sea bed."
Of Killary he has much less to say and merely mentions eroding but does refer to it as "Killary Fjord". DesmondW (talk) 09:51, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I am guilty of under quoting: from Whittow "There is little doubt that Killary is the finest fjord in Ireland." DesmondW (talk) 21:30, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Minor edit @ Carlingford Lough

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Hi there. Please have a look at MOS:HEAD ("... for example, headings are in sentence case, not title case"). I made a few changes to your recent edits. Cheers. - DVdm (talk) 14:23, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your contributions, I am still learning DesmondW (talk) 14:48, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Aren't we all? :-) Keep up the good work! - DVdm (talk) 15:36, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! Can you advise me about these CorenSearchBot messages? What I have done is to merge and edit existing articles so any conflict already existed. DesmondW (talk) 15:40, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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By the way, I had a quick look at the sites. In the case of the R8 (this site) it looks like they have copy/pasted from Wikipedia. Not sure about what/when happened with the SL/SL2 (at this site). This might need comparison of their article edit history versus ours. Tricky indeed. - DVdm (talk) 17:20, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much. Tomorrow I shall post to Coren's site as you suggested and see how we go from there. I really appreciate your advice!DesmondW (talk) 17:25, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. This is going to be a good learning experience for you :-) - DVdm (talk) 17:35, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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My apologies and thank you for the link - DesmondW (talk) 14:04, 12 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Spoilers on gliders

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The first paragraph of the article Spoiler (aeronautics) states Wikipedia’s perspective on the subject. It states: Spoilers are plates on the top surface of a wing which can be extended upward into the airflow and spoil it. By doing so, the spoiler creates a carefully controlled stall over the portion of the wing behind it, greatly reducing the lift of that wing section. Spoilers differ from airbrakes in that airbrakes are designed to increase drag making little change to lift, while spoilers reduce lift as well as increasing drag. The drag-increasing devices used on nearly every glider qualify perfectly under these criteria for what constitutes a spoiler.

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Le Mesurier

It's not a tautology (heavy drinker of tea, coffee, water, booze?), so please don't do that again. Please also see WP:BRD. - SchroCat (talk) 21:25, 28 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Of course it is a tautology, but if you can't see that then so be it. You cannot be a "heavy drinker" of tea or orange juice, it's always booze. DesmondW (talk) 16:02, 29 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Frietjes Don't be silly, you are the one engaging in an edit war constantly reverting my edits. Film format (e.g. 35mm, 120) relates to the physical size of the medium. Image size (e.g. 24x36mm, 6x6cm, or 6x7cm) is the actual size of the image recorded and a different measure. As an aside, the half frame image size is another variation of 35mm film format (actually these two measures really should be called "Film size" and "Image size"). Clearly "Film Size" is an incorrect description of the image size, and a tautology of film format. I expect you to withdraw your comments and revert your undo. Incidentally, I worked as a professional in the film industry for many years and know the difference between film size (format) and image size, which you apparently do not. DesmondW (talk) 19:23, 26 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Passive voice... e.g., with Renault Dauphine

I see that you prefer introducing the passive voice, which is quite curious. Typically the passive voice disrupts and dimishinshes clarity. Unless you prefer this sort of thing: Why was the road crossed by the chicken? :) 842U (talk) 22:11, 29 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Indiscriminate changes

While your enthusiasm to standardize the article Coupé is laudable, in this edit you have changed the title of a source document and the name of an image file in a thumbnail, neither of which should be done. Sincerely, SamBlob (talk)

Apologies, I did not mean to do so. Will you correct these or shall I? DesmondW (talk) 18:23, 5 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I have corrected what I found; there might be more. Sincerely, SamBlob (talk) 19:14, 5 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Stephenson valve gear

If you're going to hoot your trap off like this, at least be right. Andy Dingley (talk) 21:18, 9 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Please keep discussions friendly.

Key points of Stephenson valve gear:

Two eccentrics per cylinder (not offset cranks, like Walschaert's fitted to the Black 5)
Always fitted inside the frames (the related Allen valve gear was fitted externally, but not on any British locomotive)

Walschaert's valve gear:

Single offset crank per cylinder
Always fitted externally

Look up the Stanier Black 5 on this site, they were fitted with Walschaert's valve gear. I am an engineer with a lifetime's interest in railways and know the difference.DesmondW (talk) 16:41, 18 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Then maybe try looking at the photo? You could start with the nameplate. As to "always fitted externally", "always fitted internally", then these are simply wrong. "Mostly" would be nearer the mark, but there are plenty of examples of the converse. Andy Dingley (talk) 19:49, 26 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Firstly you are correct - this one off was fitted with experimental external crank Stephenson link valve gear, my apologies (and don't forget that the name was added while in preservation). In English usage Stephenson link was, to my knowledge, always driven by internal cranks in regular locomotives (for example, virtually all GWR, apart from very early locomotives and a few oddities). This illustration of a one off is not incorrect, but surely out of place as it is not representative. The only other externally driven Stephenson link I mentioned before, Allen valve gear with external eccentrics, which was used on a few continental locomotives. If you can show any exceptions then please do so, I am not aware of them.DesmondW (talk) 14:41, 5 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The main reason for reverting the link was blatant advertising. Per Wiki rules, a link should offer important information for the reader of the article, not just a page advertising merchandise. Greetings, --Janke | Talk 16:29, 10 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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